Teachers Talk, Part 1
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Posted: 12:10 AM Nov 12, 2008
Last Updated: 1:56 PM Nov 14, 2008
Reporter: Ryan Famuliner
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Education is a topic we hear a lot about. It's also a subject that can really define a community.

A lot has been reported on the South Bend Community School Corporation.

Things like the superintendent switch, low ISTEP scores, low graduation rates and controversial school board actions.

Most of us would like to see the school system improve. But how do we do it?

We thought the answers may lie with the people on the front line of education: the teachers.

For this special series of stories, we interviewed current teaches and recently retired teachers from around the school system, and asked them many questions.

Many of the questions had to do with School Corporation’s low graduation rate.

Right now 1 in 3 South Bend students are dropping out.

“I think it's really difficult for these kids to see that the graduation diploma is the ticket to the next part of their life. They just see it as way too much work,” said Lafayette Traditional School 3rd grade teacher Anne Lewandowski.

For 17 years, Lewandowski has taught at numerous elementary and middle schools throughout the school corporation. She says after a few years in the school district it was hard to ignore the graduation rates.

So she decided to do some research herself.

“The number one thing the teenagers have told me is that they get so far behind, they get frustrated, so then they drop out,” Lewandowski said.

Teachers say new programs and classes to try to help those students catch up are the right idea; but they say there needs to be more.

Over the past 20 years, South bend's graduation rate has only been above the state average once. Follow the link below to see these statistics, and the rest of the corporation’s “snapshot.”

The state changed the way they compute these rates two years ago, but South Bend is still well below the curve.

“Students are feeling that graduation is not an important entity of their life anymore. Of course they want a diploma, but getting to that entity is not what they see as valuable they have other things that are in their way,” Lewandowski said.

Elementary school teachers say focusing on developing good attitudes and making sure students learn the basics they need to move forward; is really all they can do to put kids in the right direction.

But they say middle school is when other factors come into play, especially in inner-city schools.

“(Students are) having this societal and gang influence to not learn and not be successful; to get into trouble and to be the tough guy. I think that really impacts them when they get a little bit older,” said Harrison Primary 3rd grade teacher Bob Steinmetz.

“It's very difficult for the schools to compete with the kids who see people with a lot of "bling" in the neighborhood; who are getting big bucks from nefarious activities, you know. Then we're saying to them, oh no its better, it's better to stay in school and take algebra,” said retired teacher Rosemary Benchik, who has worked with the school corporation in many programs since retiring in 2002.

Teachers say many of the students that end up dropping out... Don't have a strong support system at home to see them through.

Success rates often depend on poverty levels. We have a high level of poverty within our school corporation, if you look at the number of children who are on free lunch. That's, I think, a pretty strong indication,” said Phyllis Largey, who retired after 38 years with the South Bend Community School Corporation.

Right now, 2 out of 3 South Bend students are on free or reduced lunch.

It's the highest percentage in the last decade, and the number has been consistently above the state average.

“Just everybody in general laments the fact that, well the parents aren't taking the responsibility and parents aren't doing what they’re supposed to be doing. But we're not really walking in the parents' moccasins either. Their biggest problem isn't you know whether or not this child is getting an A in math. It's basically meeting basic necessities; food, and housing and transportation,” Benchik said.

So what can teachers do to combat all these factors?

“One of the things you can do is build relationships with your students and the other thing is make sure that you are teaching and not covering material,” Largey said.

“The most important thing that I can do as a third grade teacher is to get their parents and students together on the same page and give them the reasons for graduating and going on to higher education,” Lewandowski said.

“(We need to) say hey, you know, you really need this education. You need to be attentive all the time and really appreciate the fact that what you're getting here is going to help you later on in life,” Steinmetz said.

“What we have to do is make education interesting, fun enough, challenging. I hate these words, but challenging enough so that the kid will see that they want to stay in school, and right now it's not,” Benchik said.

Tomorrow, in part two of this series, we'll talk about what many teachers see as a limiting force: the ISTEP tests.

These scores, too, are consistently well below the state average.

But tomorrow we'll hear what teachers think about this measuring stick, and how they think the system affects the learning process.


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Posted by: South Bender on Nov 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM
It’s great to see so many comments, it shows commitment. It is also obvious that that are many factors at play; lack of parent involvement, drugs, poverty, lack of funding, government regulation etc. I think there are even other issues that never come up like; teachers union are back for education, lack of jobs for graduating seniors; focus on core topics (reading, writing; math). Students don’t need more computers they need teachers that teach the students to read. That is a simple statement that needs a simple answer. If the student can’t read how is the teacher accountable? Their not, they just pass them on to the next teacher. We need more accountablity on the part of the teachers and the students.

Posted by: Bru on Nov 12, 2008 at 11:42 PM
As a SBCSC teacher, I have a few comments: WNDU is not telling the whole story. There is so much more going on all the time. Why are we interviewing 3rd grade teachers about HS drop-outs? All four high schools will be using Career Academy formats next year. There is still a Career and Technical program. You can earn Technical Diploma. Some of our teachers should find other work; most are very dedicated and under appreciated. I also know 17 yr olds who cant yet read at an age appropriate level. How does this prepare them for the REAL world? If you want to know what the real problems are, ask a teacher. Better yet ask one of the students. Or even better still get involved. Visit the classrooms. See the students on the streets or sleeping because they know they dont have a chance. They are 17 and only have freshman credits. Some of our kids were lost before third grade. Maybe the 3rd grade teachers should explain why so many are dropping out. (I teach 10, 11, 12).

Posted by: amanda Location: south bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:25 PM
The kids at Kennedy, LaSalle and Tarkington are the ones who have parents that sit down with them at night and check their homework. The parents are also VERY involved in the schools. How much of an influence is that on the children? VERY BIG!!! It shows the kids that their parents care about their education and that it is very important to them. Don't get me wrong, there are motivated parents out there. I have children at Kennedy and Wilson, and the teachers didn't want my help at Wilson and they welcomed and encouraged it at Kennedy. That shows the kids that they are improtant and they matter. Now if we could get all the schools to welcome parents in the classroom, we could just work on getting the parents there!

Posted by: Margaret Location: South Bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 07:04 PM
If you click on the Tarkington, LaSalle and Kennedy bars, you will see that they are above the state averages. I think that either ALL schools in the SBCSC need to be TRADITIONAL schools or those schools need to be returned to neighborhood schools so the brains can be more evenly distributed.

Posted by: Fred Location: Mishawaka on Nov 12, 2008 at 06:59 PM
"W" has it right. When you can't retain kids who haven't learned their material in the early grades, how can we expect them to suddenly pass material in high school? We may have the best third grade basketball team of 19 year olds, but maybe when they got to the fourth grade they would know how to read and write. Are we afraid their self esteem would be impacted if they repeated a grade? No wonder our educational system is what it is today. Blame the teachers, nonsense. Thank them for putting up with this system every day. Come on parents, take some responsibility for your kids education!

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 12, 2008 at 05:27 PM
I think the government should give out school vouchers so parents could decide what school their children should attend. These vouchers should work for public and private schools, public schools would be forced to improve or close.

Posted by: high school teacher Location: south bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 04:55 PM
My first thought is why did wndu interview elementary school teachers about the high school drop out rate? Why not talk to the teachers who are involved with these students on a daily basis. Career Pathways are coming to South Bend next school year. And no we are not tracking kids. The hope is to bring careers into the classroom to connect the "real" world to lessons.

Posted by: Edgar Location: Goshen on Nov 12, 2008 at 01:40 PM
I think everybody has the reazon, but the kids show us what they want to be when they grow up. It's really Teachers, parents, kids, friends and specialists teem. I remember when I was child I said everybody I want to be a Dr., but the profession of the parents show them what they can do. All my friend told me I want to be an Engineer, architect, anthropologist,Teacher, Chemical Biologist and in my group we all fulfill our dreams. If you work like community teem, the students will not leave the school them and our future will be better. By other hand the school sistem have to be honest, with smart decisions and go ahead, all these problems make us to learn and improve for grow and to live better some day

Posted by: Nope Location: Here on Nov 12, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Unfortunately Dean, career pathways is considered "tracking" and we're not allowed to do that. I agree with the fact that some students are more hands on and that academics are not for everyone. Why does everyone need to know algebra or chemistry? There needs to be a vocational diploma and students/schools need to be evaluated on that criteria. Why is college seen as the only way to become a productive member of society?

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 12, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Every school should hire a martial artist to stand in the classrooms clutching a big wooden paddle. Then we would see results.

Posted by: Anon. Location: Michigan on Nov 12, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Engage the parents and students. I also agree with Dean.

Posted by: Harry Location: South Bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Sue: Don't be so naive. A lot of these 'problem' children do not come from homes of OVERWORKED parents. They come from homes of welfare parents who find it easier to let the government (taxpayers) take care of them, rather than work for a living. Why should a kid study and work hard in school when he can go on welfare when he gets older? I know a lot of kids that came from homes where both parents worked and they grew up knowing the value of a GOOD education. Stop making excuses for lazy parents.

Posted by: eh Location: mi on Nov 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM
dean and cindy, both very well said articles. it seemd that the "powers to be" deem it more necessary to educate EVERYONE to be doctors and lawyers. it is very sad that it has come to that. i do know that an auto shop is offered at Ivy Tech Community College for the high school students of the S.B.C.S.C. they earn high school AND college credits at the same time. it has worked well for them and from what i understand it has gotten good reports. there may be some other opportunities there as well. it is worth checking into.

Posted by: dean Location: sb on Nov 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I think Cindy might have the right idea. I have 2 boys in high school and 1 is book smart and wants to go into engineering the other is a hands on kid. I have been reading about a teaching approach called career pathways. You start the kids thinking about what they want to do as an adult when they are still in elementary school. Then plan their schedule toward that career. Whether it be autoshop or electrical engineer. We have been teaching to pass ISTEP instead of teaching to succeed in life. Just a thought!

Posted by: Me on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:53 AM
We need to keep the disruptive kids out of the classroom. Hold kids and parents accountable. It's not fair to the teacher when kids are acting up in class. Everybody suffers! I'm so tired of disrespectful kids and the fact that nothing is being done about them. And getting suspended only puts them on the street. I think they should be sent to some kind of juvinile center until they can attend class. This problem is only going to get worse until we fix it. I have gone to Dickinson to bring a few things to the principals attention but I felt like I was talking to deaf ears. So where do we start??? I tried to make an effort but once again my school system failed me.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:42 AM
I have 3 kids in the school system. One is in middle & the other 2 are in elementary school. I have a lot I can say about this topic. For example, everybody wants to put the blame on others. The teachers want to blame the parents,the kids friends, & anything else. The parents want to blame the school system, the kids friends, or anyone else. The kids just don't care. I know I have my faults when it comes to my kids education, like not being able to help my oldest with his homework, because I do not remember some of the stuff they are doing. We all need to start taking the blame for these kids & try to work on getting these kids where they need to be - graduation. The parents need to take more of a part in the kids education & not make excuses. The teachers should remember that some students need extra help & not get frustrated when they ask for help. Students need to understand how important it is for them to get their education & not be afraid to ask for help from anyone.

Posted by: Sue Location: South Bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:20 AM
I think this report shows what the REAL problem in our public schools is today. When you've got 83% of kids qualifying for free lunch then you know that the poverty these kids face is an impedence to their learning ability. Sure, some kids can overcome this but for many it's a losing battle.You've got a lot of households with an overworked parent(s)trying to make ends meet, the kids don't have the help they should be getting at home. I know a lot of teachers who try to help but you can't help every child, especially when there are SO many.

Posted by: Cindy Location: South Bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 08:18 AM
I know that with my son, the only thing that really held his intrest was Auto Shop. He is smart but "book learning" isn't for everyone. Now they've taken that away from the guys (and some girls) and replaced it with a "Home Ec" area. In my opinion alot of the guys need that extra incentive to stay in school. The girls should be learning to cook at home. I'm thankful the Auto Shop stayed long enough for my son to graduate but I'm concern for the guys who don't have dads to teach them this valuable skill to keep their own cars running as well as having it become a good source of income.

Posted by: W Location: South Bend on Nov 12, 2008 at 01:45 AM
Being a teacher in the S.B. intermediate schools, I see how some students are going from grade to grade without learning what they needed to learn from the grade before...It is catching up with them as we are not allowed to retain Intermediate students...they keep getting passed even if they fail classes...therefore, when they get to high school, and have to repeat classes if they flunk them, they get discouraged and drop out because they never learned what they needed to in previous grades in order to pass their high school classes...its sad that we cannot retain students that need it...

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