Heating your Home for Less, Part 3 - Geothermal heat pump
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Posted: 2:09 AM Oct 31, 2008
Last Updated: 2:09 AM Oct 31, 2008
Reporter: Mike Hoffman
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If there were a Cadillac of heating and cooling systems, it would be the geothermal heat pump.

It's expensive like a luxury car, but uses fuel like a motor scooter. And that means it saves you lots of money, while keeping your home nice and toasty.

In part three of our "Heating your Home for Less" series, we take an up-close look at a geothermal system.

It might sound too good to be true: one system for year-round comfort. There's not even a backup heating unit for the really cold days. And, it uses energy that is right in your backyard.

“This is a heating system, a cooling system in the summertime and it also provides our hot water as well, so it’s an all in one unit,” said John Sherrick, who uses a geothermal pump. “It can do everything.”

Unlike an air source heat pump that has to work harder as the air gets colder outside, a geothermal system is always working with the same ground temperature. In this system, 50 degree water is pumped out of the ground, and using a heat exchanger, a refrigerant like freon is warmed up. As the water is recycled back into the ground, the refrigerant becomes very hot and travels inside to another heat exchanger.

Inside air is then heated and blown into the home. The cooled refrigerant then travels back outside to pick up heat again from the ground water. The only energy you pay for is electricity.

Your typical electric range in a kitchen puts electricity through wires and they heat up and become red and that's putting off a lot of heat. A geothermal system actually gets five times that amount of heat out of the same electricity.

“Last year, this is something my wife would always kid me about, we would turn the thermostat down at night, and we would keep it at 66 degrees at most,” said Sherrick. “And when family and friends came over for visits, and the holidays, it was an ice box in here. We just couldn't afford to turn it up because the cost of propane was too expensive.”

John and his family wanted a change, and they decided on a geothermal heat pump. So far they don't regret it at all.

Last winter, the Sherricks spent over $2000 dollars to heat their home using propane. The electric bill was $490 during the heating season. Here's what we definitely know: the propane bill will go to zero. And we're estimating that the electric bill will increase by just $450. That's a huge savings of almost $1600 with today's prices.

The total cost of the geothermal system is high, this one was $14,000, although financing allows you to spread the cost out. With these numbers, just during the heating season it would take 8.8 years to pay back the total cost. If you calculate in the estimated savings for air conditioning and hot water, though, you get it down closer to 5 years. And you never have to worry about rising fuel prices again.

This particular system is best for a country home, but there are geothermal systems suited for city-dwellers as well.

As with the high-efficiency furnace and heat pump, we're going to follow up on the utility bills on the geothermal pump this winter, and bring you updates on the savings.

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Posted by: Dan Location: IL on Feb 16, 2009 at 08:51 PM
What all is it that is so expensive about the geo-therm system?

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 2, 2009 at 09:44 AM
We went with the open loop system which in turn feeds fresh water into a small pond. The fish and wildlife love the fresh water going in. Our heating bills are drastically lower than those with equal sized housing of the same age. The house is always a lovely temperature when only set at 69 degrees. I would never want another system. Also, it heats up a second water heater with the extra water some how. I don't know exactly how that works, but I never run out of hot water. If you can create a small pond for the open loop system, it really is a great idea for a new house.

Posted by: Andy Location: Northern Minnesota on Dec 16, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Maintenance is what scares me too. I just spent roughly $25k on a Geothermal system to replace an older propane setup. A good portion of that cost was duct-work as this was a retrofit from radiant heat. My system is a closed loop meaning a lot of underground tubing filled with an anti-freeze solution. Open loop simply replaces the tubing with a supply and return pipe into a well. (obviously this doesn't pollute as only heat is being exchanged) Direct Exchange systems eliminate anti-freeze / water and move the refrigerant filled coils directly into the ground. I expect my utility bills to drop by aprox $1600 a year. 5% interest on $25,000 is $1250. If I did an interest only loan, I would save $350 a year (if nothing broke and costs stayed the same) Obviously I'm not doing an interest only loan, but any payments larger then interst only should be considered as "investment" and compared to other "investments".

Posted by: SteveVW Location: Rolling Prairie on Nov 4, 2008 at 01:01 PM
I am the geo contractor that installed the system featured. We have 25 years experience and over 1000 installations. The geo systems that use refrigerant heat exchangers rather than fluid have high compressor failures. The loop systems work well but will have alot of excavation-additional up front cost-25% less heat capacity-20% less efficiency than open water well systems. A new home requires a heating-cooling system and ductwork. If you look at the upgrade cost to a geo system you will find payback withing 2-4 years compared to propane or fuel oil or 4-6 years compared to natural gas. If a closed loop is required you should double the payback time. I will try to monitor feedback to offer response. Geothermal Specialist, Inc. 219.778.1000

Posted by: sheldon cons't Location: Niles on Oct 31, 2008 at 06:10 PM
I put a water furnace in a new house in 2003, a closed loop system at that time I paid 13,500, and a gas furance would have cost 7,000 on a 1700 sq.ft. house.The payback for him was the very first year.Because the geo-thermal system is standerd in your homes. Just my way of putting a little GREEN back in our world.

Posted by: John Location: Illinois on Oct 31, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Couple things to note.. 1. the ideal system is a direct exchange geothermal which uses copper tubing and no water. More efficient and more reliable. All geothermal systems require less maintenance than a gas furnace and traditional AC. Furnaces degrade in efficiency over time. 2. There is NO CO2 and no carbon-monoxide danger. 3. It's quiet. No outside compressor. 4. If financed, it saves $$ MONTH ONE.

Posted by: Mark Location: Michiana on Oct 31, 2008 at 03:26 PM
I have a Geo-thermal unit which seems very attractive at first glance, but I have had two compressors replaced along with the circuit board. Sure it has a 10 year warranty, but will I have to keep replacing compressors every two years? That is going to get mighty expensive over the life of the house. Electric bills are still a bit higher than I would have expected.

Posted by: Keith Location: Rochester on Oct 31, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Geo-thermal is a good system for larger homes, (generally 3500 sq' and up. Smaller homes, especailly in new construction, will receive a savings but not enough to compensate for the initial costs of installation, (IPO your std. forced air gas or total electric systems). With Utility costs fluctuating so much over a 10-15 year cycle, the actual savings a home will have is yet to be determined. If you look at the monthly utility billing statments only and not the whole picture, (initial costs life of any heating system), the average size household, (again, especially in new construction), is better off staying with the std. forced air systems that have become much more efficient in todays market. Hopefully the follow-up done on this topic includes homes of comparable size and age. If not it will be an inaccurate representation of the value Geothermal cusomers are receiving.

Posted by: LB Location: Bend on Oct 31, 2008 at 07:26 AM
My wife and I are finishing up building a house in the Rolling Prairie area. We opted for the Geothermal. You would be a dummy not to. Yeah the initial cost is quite expensive. But the 5 year payback is very real. Heck, if you go Geothermal, the electric company may give you a break on things such as new transformers and new poles and permanent service to the house because they will make their money back over time. With rising fuel costs, Geothermal is the way to go. Our system will use a closed loop of anti-freeze to pull heat out of the ground instead of the ground water. Electric is 100% efficient. Closed loop geo is about 380-420% efficient and an open loop (ground water) is 550% plus effecient. Think about it people. Get off the gas!!!

Posted by: John Location: New Carlisle on Oct 31, 2008 at 07:07 AM
What about the increased water and sewer bill because of using water?

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Oct 31, 2008 at 06:55 AM
Each heating solution has a payback from 5-8 years; you have not included any special maintenance costs, the life expectancy or warranty period for each of the heating solutions. Will you need to replace the unit within 10 years? 20 years?

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