Local option income tax in St. Joe County could go up
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Posted: 6:23 PM Nov 25, 2008
Last Updated: 11:29 AM Nov 26, 2008
Reporter: Sarah Platt
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This year, many homeowners are looking forward to some relief in their property tax bills. But with that in mind, income taxes in St. Joseph County could be going up.

Tuesday afternoon, South Bend Mayor Steve Luecke announced two resolutions that would raise St. Joseph County's Local Option Income Tax.

As with any talk of a tax increase, this will likely raise some discussion. A public hearing is set for December 11 on the issue.

As you may know, recently, local governments are losing a lot of revenue when property tax caps take effect and Luecke says raising income taxes would be one way of making up that shortfall.

But some argue in a tough economy, now is not the time to raise any taxes.

Luecke insists they have already made cuts and need to make up lost revenue somewhere. “We don't take these moves lightly; we know it's a difficult time to talk about taxes in our community. We know many people are struggling. Nevertheless, it's not a time to talk about laying off police officers and firefighters, these are services that are desperately needed in our community,” says Luecke.

Luecke says the South Bend Common Council will consider two resolutions to increase St. Joseph County's Local Option Income Tax.

One resolution asks for a 1-percent income tax hike. It's now at .08-percent.

A second resolution asks for a .25-percent tax to fund public safety.

“At this point we have to look at any and every option we have to keep our revenue stream to a level where we can still provide adequate services to the city and county,” says Rafael Morton, St. Joseph County Council President.

But others say now is not the time for an income tax hike.

“We're struggling, yet the government continues to try and tax us. We're in the same boat they are in that we don't have any more to give,” says Brian Frick, President of the South Gateway Business Association.

Frick owns his own business and knows about making cuts. He thinks there should be no new taxes. He believes the city and county should be more vigilant about getting back to basics.

“I would say police, water, fire, and basic street maintenance and everything else is an extra. And maybe we need to get down to that,” says Frick.

The income tax issue is one citizens and government leaders will weigh in on until a vote next month.

“Realizing how difficult this situation is for the city and how difficult it is for the citizens and weighing those two factors and voting appropriately we hope,” says Ann Puzzello, South Bend Common Council member.

In order to enact this income tax increase, two of the three largest councils would have to approve it. The Mishawaka, South Bend, and St. Joseph County Councils are all expected to vote on this tax increase next month.

If the local option income tax increase is approved this year, it would take effect this January 1.

Again, the public is welcome to share its thoughts at the public hearing on December 11 at the County-City Building in South Bend. The meeting starts at 6 p.m.

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Posted by: Leonard Location: mishawaka on Dec 6, 2008 at 04:41 PM
it appears that everone is aware that we are in a recession by now,except for Mayor Luecke and those politions that only a tax increse can fix our problems. our state gov. gives us a tax cut but our local gov.just adds more taxes, we all need to remember this come election time!

Posted by: jt Location: plymouth on Dec 5, 2008 at 08:18 AM
The only reason we have a surplus is your man mitch sells everything what happens when the money is gone(there is not much left out of the billions)mitch is sure spending money in marion counties nice roads nice new pretty bridges a 9 million dollar sports fac. which we don't need for the super bowl what will he do with the building he's going to give it to indy school which they can not afford to take it on right now. wake up ind. people mitch started this mess and when he's gone will find out how bad our lovely state is in a bigger mess then any person thought. then were going to build a road from south bend to indy for what reason to save 15 min. (WHY) when we all now kokomo is the problem and is it really a big problem. I do agree city,county,state,gov. need to live within their means. go back to the basic coverage of providing a service.

Posted by: GoCavemen on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Let's see which of the local news outlets will do a thorough investigation of the double-dipping by elected officials. How many of the state and local officials get more than one guaranteed government checks? Will WNDU take the lead or will they let Fox 28 do the work and get the credit?

Posted by: H on Dec 1, 2008 at 09:39 PM
To Provider: I could not agree more. There are too many milking the system and not enough taxpayers to support it. Raising the income tax is simply punishing those with jobs. Why is the budget not being scrutinized more? Why do the police in South Bend have take home cars? I have never heard of such a thing until I moved here. Also, somewhat unrelated, Minnesota's food stamp program has a list of foods that recipients can choose from. This means no carts full of junk food, soda, and crap! Why is this not regulated in every state, especially Indiana where there are so many receiving food stamps?

Posted by: John Location: Plymouth on Dec 1, 2008 at 02:09 PM
That is why I moved out of that county! Raise taxes, more will follow. They are just not very smart.

Posted by: DB Location: South Bend on Dec 1, 2008 at 01:05 PM
WE THE PEOPLE say, NO NEW TAXES. We are already out of money, out of a home, out of hope. YOU, our representatives, must learn to survive on a budget, even if it is less than what you are accustomed to. Some officials of a township in Indiana recently cut their pay in half to keep their jobs. You could do the same. WE THE PEOPLE say, cut as necessary, NO NEW TAXES.

Posted by: Me Location: Mishawaka on Dec 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Get RID of the Hall of Shame and quit supporting the lowlife's who do not want WORK Mayor Bozo!! Ohhhh, and let us not forget how we support our great Sheriff with his Hummer & his chiefs with their brand new take home cars....AND special deputies who are NOT cops who take home county owned cars(some with police lights)that we pay for...... What a town!!!!!

Posted by: Jay on Nov 30, 2008 at 08:45 PM
I'm guessing that you will get this "no" Option Tax. Your Mayor will push it through regardless. He will continue to pay for the Cove improvements for his buddy Kernan. Once those Millons are taken from the City Tax Payers good old Joe will be your new Mayor and reaping the rewards of the Cove for his personal gain. No Corruption here, Nope none. Same ol Same ol.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM
You know, you people keep blaming Daniels for the property taxes. You're forgetting that the revised property taxes came as a result of some dummie filing a law suit claiming the system was unfair. Quit blaming the Football HoF and the cove for costing tax payers money! You people KEEP VOTING THE SAME PEOPLE in office in every election. You REEP what you SOW people. Now fall in line and vote the bums out next time around. Think of it this way, Mishawaka has had a republican mayor for a couple of decades now and look ath the city! It's in the black! WHY? FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY and not tearing down buildings that brought in tax revenue!

Posted by: bill Location: mishawaka on Nov 28, 2008 at 08:15 PM
hey matt, instead of voting for a non-viable, unelectable candidate, join a party that more closely fits your beliefs, then try to influence party policies and officials instead of wasting your vote. no offense, I think the best candidates were the ones belonging to neither party, but that is who (realistically) we have to vote for.

Posted by: duh on Nov 28, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Instead of ranting on here, look up your district council member, and contact them! tell them NO NEW taxes! http://www.southbendin.gov/city/common_council/find_district.asp

Posted by: Todd Location: Mishawaka on Nov 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM
South Bend..here is why you are so screwed up...you think the Mayor votes on all this stuff...he has no vote! You are wasting your time barking about him. You keep on putting the same people back in the city counsel and are surprised things don't change. Wake up! They vote this stuff in. By the way..WSBT is not in the County..it is annexed into the city of Mishawaka. The citizens of Mishawaka thank you for all the new businesses you give us :) I hope you appreciate Mayor Rae more then some of these Democrat jokers do in our city.

Posted by: Ross Location: Granger on Nov 27, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Raise the LIQUOR tax the same percentage as cigarettes. The money problem will go away FAST !!! Anyone care to bet I'm right ????

Posted by: bill on Nov 27, 2008 at 09:42 AM
we'll call it, the van by the river tax. prop.1973.V

Posted by: Provider on Nov 27, 2008 at 08:43 AM
I'm getting tired of working to support lazy people, greedy businesses, and unproductive special interest groups, while I'm struggling to put food on the table. I'm thinking it's time to just quit.

Posted by: Matt Location: Mishawaka on Nov 27, 2008 at 07:27 AM
Re: Buford. I see that everyone here voted for the Demopublicans. Well you all got what you deserve. Where have you been for the last 8 years Buford?. Amerika is now maore in debt than it was when clinton was in office. All thr repubs had a ball slamming him saying he was throwing us into debt. What do you think bush has done in the last 8 years . Bush has done more damage to the economy than clinton could ever imagine to do. TRILLIONS in debt , last time i looked it was like 11 TRILLION. Hmmm what was it when clinton was in office.

Posted by: Farmer Frank on Nov 27, 2008 at 06:02 AM
Indiana hasnt raised taxes according to mitch daniels, who raised sales tax 17%. The reassessment criteria that the governor established does one important thing....it takes local government out of the loop when it comes to funding. Since the state controls the rates, then the state will want to control all that goes on in that area. First you hurt local gov'ts by taking away their control, next you take away their funding, and finally, you seize control by saying that local government is antiquated and should be run by the state. You can see this happening by what is being done with township government. It might make sense in Citys and populated areas, but in rural areas, the only thing it does is move any money from the rural areas to help subsidize the cities.

Posted by: Z Location: Indiana on Nov 27, 2008 at 02:08 AM
Maybe the City Promoter that was just hired should be cut. What a joke.

Posted by: Buford Location: waiting for thanksgiving on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I see that everyone here voted for the Demopublicans. Well you all got what you deserve. The Demopublicans will be the ruin of this country and you continue to support them. I bet you all supported Obamcain too. Think for yourselves not what the conservative liberals think.

Posted by: ok on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM
that doesent surprise me.. they just want indiana to be the poorest state in the usa

Posted by: GEEZ, THANKS! Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Is anyone wondering if Luecke is getting ready to present South Bend as an example of what a WPA city could look like? If his example catches on and spreads in the next few years. . . will he demand that South Bend be re-named "Lueckeville"? Or will that apply only to the collection of Whirlpool refrigerator boxes in the ONE area LEFT in town that is NOT in a TIF district?

Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 05:39 PM
You may as well cut the fire and police departments. Why do you keep adding more? They just showed on TV the other day all the abandoned homes being torn down. Why doesn't Luecke live on the real west side or off LWW? He needs to go. He is overstaffed, selfish, and cares nothing of the citizens of South Bend. Whenever it snows the snow removal on our street is awful.If it even gets done. Manigaut should be Mayor. Before you know it South bend will only have ilegal, non tax paying people and priests living here. Get with the program Luecke and do South Bend a favor and resign. Threats is all you know. How about getting rid of all the stagnant office holders too:Glenn, Wesolowski, etc. And Butch Morgan needs to go too. This is the most corrupt city I know.

Posted by: Pat Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Don't talk to me about more taxes, Mr. Mayor, until you close the College Football Hall of Fame. If it's so important, let NOTRE DAME pay for it! Close Coveleski or let the OWNERS THEMSELVES pay for it! These are two things the city DOES NOT NEED! All you do is plant trees and flowers - why do you need all those assistants for that? Common council, do NOT vote for more taxes. Learn from this past school board election. If you vote for more taxes, you will lose your job. People are FED UP!

Posted by: Joe Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Everyone mentions the Hall of Fame and the Cove, let's get rid of the Golf Courses too. There are enough other courses in the area for golfers the city does not need to be in the golf business.

Posted by: Maria Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 04:09 PM
First we have to pay for the Cove and the College Football Hall of Fame - both continuously lose money year after year then we had the "wheel tax". Does anyone else feel our roads are any better since the wheel tax has been ongoing for a few years now? I feel the roads are worse than ever. The city of South Bend can't even put road salt down on the streets for God's sake. Does all the politicians pay local taxes? Maybe they should give up some of their luxuries and be like the rest of us - struggling to pay for necessities!

Posted by: worried Location: S.Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:48 PM
Did anyone see the Mayor on TV appearing to be looking out of his office again? Will someone please go up and clean the outside of his windows(I would, but I am afraid of heights). Every time he speaks you can see the lack of "EVERYTHING" he is supposed to stand for.I did not vote for him or his great buddy Mitch. I fear for all of us in St. Joe county because it is just a matter of short time in which all of us will suffer from the mistakes these two continually do. We can all show up on the 11th, but we already know what will happen. Voices in our community will fall on ears who could care less, we already see this, every day, every time the mayor speaks or does anything. Our children, the elderly, and ourselves will all suffer. This town has no future anymore. I sound bitter and negative? I am. I grew up here, I also see that the mayor and gov. have run this state to the ground and just keep on digging deeper. Any ideas on how to get these two from their positions? I am listening.

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Alas! The "Sheriff of Nothingham" strikes again - It is bad enough that the "robbing hoods" continue to escape their "Sure-drug Forests" to reap havoc on one another and upon the general public along the Lincolnway "shooting gallery" - but they are now joined by "the sheriff" and his posse of "un-merry string-alongs" seeking to put another "tax arrow" into the struggling working man's "arse." - But, was that not to be expected what with his latest caper failing - that of gaining control of water bill increases without having to answer to his arch-enemy, the State and Mitch Daniels? - This is a classic "Catch-22" situation - "The Sheriff of Nothingham" (aka Steve Luecke)has his "posse" overstaffed with non-essential employees because it means "VOTES." The more you are able to "featherbed" your city ("and county, you are right there to share the blame")payrolls with, the more secure you are in office.-- And people still wonder how he and his "band of tax beneficieries" return to plunder!

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:38 PM
This will work out just as well as the wheel tax. Has anyone seen any improvement in the roads? Now they need more money, for what? It is my opinion Luecke and friends will line their pockets with hard earned money from the working poor. Mayor Luecke needs to be recalled or impeached anything but get him out of office. Luecke has destroyed a once great city. Luecke's idea of ecconomic growth was to import criminals and homeless. The money waste on the Hall of Shame, his friend Joe Kernans Baseball stadium and now Luecke's giant screen tv (for him to watch Sasame street from his office window). Enough is enough CHANGE is NEEDED NOW! Remember what happened to the water rate vote, make it happen again! Stand-up South Bend Stand-up it is your town, Stand-up or lose it to the thugs and criminals(elected politians).

Posted by: Marie Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:15 PM
This to Mary. Fiscally yes!

Posted by: Arlene Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:00 PM
I'm tired of being punished (taxes, police who are friends killed, illegal immigrants) b/c Luecke is a terrible leader. His weakness is astounding! I'm a life long Democrat and he makes us look terrible.

Posted by: mad as hell Location: 1234 lick me drive on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:56 PM
get rid of the hall of shame and that stupid cove, and we will have plenty of money to buy steve a new CAR! what if we the people of south bend get the city to pay us taxes for living here! put that in your pipe and smoke it steve?

Posted by: Stupid Question on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:49 PM
I know this question will probably pose a lot of discussion, but it is one that needs to be asked. If they are going to take more out of my paycheck does that mean they will adjust the amount needed to qualify to get assistance? I mean I know that is just taking more from the government, but we are all struggling everyday to feed and house our families. It's not fair to continue to tax the people who actually get out of bed and work for a living while others sit around living it up off of my tax dollars. I'm really not ignorant just concerned for my situation and others like me. I will say this loud...It is time for the people of America to get off their couches and stand up, fight, make your voice be heard. If all we do is complain then nothing gets done. If you are really upset, petition it, get people behind you. We all need to start standing up for real change. Not ones promised to get elected! Real change that will turn this country around. It needs to happen before we all go under

Posted by: Andy Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:27 PM
The county option tax is a way for the very high pay to continue for city employees and the paid lunch's, dinner's and such by the higher up in county and city government. Cut out the extra's and the higher pay checks and we the people will not be taxed.

Posted by: lori Location: st. joseph county on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:23 PM
why are they taking more money from people that can hardly pay their mortgages and other expenses? they should be exploring other ideas such as better management of the taxpayers money! if they have to increase taxes it should be on those that come to visit i.e. the hotel/motel tax. they are just taking every last penny from us...when will they stop?

Posted by: Mary Location: Mish on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:10 PM
So Marie what your saying is you wont be a Dem anymore? Tax & Spend is the logo that the Dems should portray.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:09 PM
"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - Shaw. SB, aren't you glad you keeping voting straight ticket? Tards.

Posted by: Shoppy Location: OC on Nov 26, 2008 at 02:02 PM
Not being a Lawer I wonder if the ACLU could file a class action law suit South Bend on my behalf since I live in the county but south Bend can raise my taxes with out my input? Taxsation with out representation

Posted by: Mary Location: Mish on Nov 26, 2008 at 01:15 PM
To Kathy: This is exactly why they do what they want is because of people like you who think & say "Theres nothing you can do". There is something you can do VOTE HIM OUT next election.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM
but hey tax payers lets keep funding the hall of fame and the cove... and plus pay to attend these places..... re-elect lueke the smartest thing to not do!

Posted by: Trajon Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Liberalism is all about what a politician can give to friends. The new taxes allow Luecke to give $$$ to the Charles Martin youth center, grants to ACORN, jobs to lazy folks who work in the County-City Bld., etc. This is just a way "spread $$ around a little" by stealing it from working-people and giving it as payback to political bedfellows.

Posted by: Marie Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Why are we not hearing from the City Controller on this issue? she puts the budget together. She should know where major cuts could be made while keeping essential services instead just of laying off non-bargaining people. Mishawaka made cuts. Why did the Controller propose a budget with a .04 % increase? Are you telling me there was nothing to cut this year except a few jobs? A realistic budget should have been proposed and hard cuts should have been made. What happens if the City does not get the votes? Plan ahead. It now feels like they are shoving this sown our throats. I get a 2% raise for 2009. This tax wipes that out. As a life long deomcract, this really make me think. My fellow democrats are kicking me when I am down. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Posted by: Heavy Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Everything is just so out of whack. Clueless so-called leaders that have no ethics, no sense of justice, no knowledge or care of the limits of their constituents. Complete elitists looking out for their pals and overlords. I could tell you stories of the incompetence and bungling of local government but I'm sure you've heard them already. Suffice it to say that a reliable source has said that 50% of local government employees could be eliminated with no problem. Of course the remaining 50% would actually have to start working like the rest of us. And what about the miscreant sector of citizens that are responsible for the huge outlays in welfare, public safety and criminal justice? A country out of control, and down the road comes Mr. Socialism with more of the same!

Posted by: Kevin Location: Mish on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM
HeyMike since your so upset about JR spelling two words wrong, Ican only assume that you,re either a english teacher or one of the cops parked in front of 7-11?

Posted by: Kevin Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:16 PM
South bend will always vote Democrat. Their core constituency is not affected by either property taxes or income tax. There is no income tax on someone who lives off the government and depends on that government to pay their rent.

Posted by: JR Location: Sb on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM
To Mik: I know how to spell only I was at work and had to type fast so I could get back to my job, which you probably know nothing about.

Posted by: Randy Location: Michigan on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Ok. I have a question. Why don't they put a 1 cent tax per gallon on gas or a sales tax. I live in Michigan and go to South Bend area to shop. I pay no taxes there but if needed would be able to use emergency services. It's better than keeping the burden ao the locals

Posted by: Mike Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Saint Joseph County elected officals need to pass a birth tax. This way it would morally right to tax all residents from birth to death and after death. This resident tax would be called THE PERPETUAL TAX 101 OF SAINT JOSEPH COUNTY IN. THIS IS THE TAX THAT KEEPS ON TAKING, THE TAX 9 OUT 10 ELECTED OFFICALS RECOMMEND,SEE YOUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR FUTHER DETAILS. (all rights reserved).

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Isn't amazing that this is proposed after the county elections. Of course, they will pass it, and in a few years when we will have the city elections, you idiots will re-elect Luecke, who has not found a tax he did not like. There are cuts that still could be made in the county and city budgets. Start wilth all his assistants. Just look at the million and half dollars just spent on the Gates building, that should have never been done. If you are short on money, you do not spend what you do not have. The million dollars the city gave to WNIT. That is two and half millions dollars that would have been spent of police anf fire salaries. Department heads and the mayor, take pay cuts, along with the city council. We have that pay your salaries.

Posted by: Mike Location: Elkhart on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM
This is a huge surprise!

Posted by: kathy Location: south bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Sandy, i dont think it has anything to do with the minorities, regardless of color people are going to do what they want. we have plenty of people of all races and cultures living off the systems and not working. The people in charge of our county, states and country are gonna do what they want regardless of what any of us think. we just have to deal with it. it sucks to have this happen at this time where the economy has hit rock bottom and people are losing jobs and homes left and right. But it has nothing to do with COLOR!!!! thats a really smart thing to say SANDY

Posted by: mark Location: south bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM
shame on the local politicans! they waited until after the election to try and raise the local income tax on the residents of st. joseph county. they should have stated their postiton before the election. perhaps they are not reading the news reports of the current unemployment rate in this county. people can barely feed, cloth, and provide housing for their families and they have the nerve to increase the amount they want to take from our paychecks. first they said the wheel tax would fix the roads, they they forced a local income tax to 'fix' the budget. now they want to TRIPLE that amount. perhaps they should give up their checks, vehicles, and other perks they get as council members? we don't have any more money to give the county, we need to provide for our families. PLEASE STOP TAKING FROM WHAT LITTLE MONEY WE HAVE LEFT!!!!!!!!! remember, unemployment checks are taxed. also st. joseph and lake county were exempt from the property tax caps. thank you

Posted by: bob Location: granger on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Mayor Lucke should have shown this much interest when WSBT was looking for a new location inside of the city of South Bend. So drive through the city..... but it is best to only do this during daylight hours, with windows up and doors up. It might also be wise to be in the company of someone with a hand gun license and loaded side arm. Sad, isn't it! Downtown has been turned into non profit center of the country.... Where is the tax base? IT'S MOVED OUT INTO THE COUNTY..... WHY, THE LOUSY, SERVICES AND CONTINUED MIS MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY! So, gee, mayor, let's not try to fix anything, like the city government, instead, let's just try to continue the same old polocy that has not worked for the past 50 plus years.... TAX AND SPEND... And when you cannot get taxes from inside of where you govern, use your political allies, to tax the people that have left choosen to move outside of the city.... Stay on course, and the entire county will one day look like South Bend!

Posted by: Robert on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Sell the Blackthorn Golf Course and use that TIF money for something that benefits all the taxpayers. How much hhas it lost since it opened? Several million from what I hear. What a joke. But oh no there is redevelopment money that it supporting it, how about reallocating the redevelopment money and using it for actually good not croney type projects. That business complex is not growing, the golf course has brought no one new in and with the new tax abatement proposal that is being pushed through nothing new will come either. Get ready St. Joe County we are in for tough times, we have politics almost as crooked as Chicago.

Posted by: Mary Location: Mish on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Many people here have said the same thing, you keep this idiot in ofc deal with it. Luecke and his cronies are simply trying to fill thier own pockets. He does stupid things like bring an Irish pub from Ireland. Maybe the folks of South Bend will now wake up and get this idiot out of ofc. This has nothing to do with Gov Daniels, Luecke is a Dem not a republican. Open your eyes people.

Posted by: Alan Location: Elkhart on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM
The money is needed to fight crime... apparently.

Posted by: BF Location: SB on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29 AM
There are plenty of places to cut spending in SB. The mayor doesn't need to support the Cove...tearing down buildings for a grand entrance in the ghetto that he has paid for. Why all the tax abatements for new business? The rink building shouldn't be sold at a loss...just to name a few. And why does he need an assistant and staff? What does he do? The new SB ambassador he hired? Should hire a financial planner to teach him how to stay within his budget and stop wasteful spending. It is getting very old to see waste all around, yet he tries to sscare everyone into thinking he will cut our police and fire. What was wrong with the WSBT building that WNIT couldn't just move in? Nut job is what we have...I voted for Manigault, so don't blame me!

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM
That's why we had all the scare tactics about cutting police and fire so they could do this. Cut some administrative people, no one seems to be working too hard when I go to get stuff done at the county city building. How about the staff drinking tap water instead of having water delivered for starters. They need to run the government like I run my business and household cut the waste of which police and fire are not, but there is a lot of fat that can be trimmed. How about a little transparency in the budgets and I am sure the tax payers could help them find lots of wastefulness and inefficiency.

Posted by: bob Location: goshen on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:20 AM
my guestion is how many salaries could be paid with the money spent turning douwntown south bend into a beach. and what is more important police and fire dept spendings or a new park there is plenty of money there if the priorities are put in the right spot

Posted by: cs Location: St. Joe County on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM
We are all trimming a home to make ends meet due to the tough economic times that we are living in; it is time for our government to stop living so fat. If local government had to operate like a business, they would be bankrupt. Local government needs to wake up and start realizing that they must act fiscally responsible. With all the jobs lost locally, the increase will be a huge burden on those still working and struggling to pay their bills.

Posted by: Glen Location: St Jo County on Nov 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Two Questons. What happened to the 1% increase on sales tax to make up for the property tax cuts? What about the 1.5% cap in St Jo County over the 1% in the others? Were we not given 50% more to correct the loss of property tax revenue?

Posted by: Interesting on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:56 AM
The insteresting fact is that those who voted him in are the ones that are going to get hit the worst. I guess the same will go for Obama in the near future as well. Uneducated voters should NOT be able to vote. This was a warning given by the founders of this country, this is why originally every could not vote. This was also the reason for the electorical college which tends to vote for what the people vote. They should go back to land owners only have the right to a single vote.

Posted by: bb Location: sb on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Until St Joseph County does a COMPLETE revamping of its OWN systems....no new tax hikes should be allowed....the residents need and WANT FULL DISCLOSURE of the St Joe Cty plan to reduce expenditures BEFORE any hikes would be acceptable...you should really have that available at your town meeting... You are just strong arming the public into thinking that the "ONLY" areas of reduction available are "essential services"....SHAME ON YOU!! WE demand you show us where the fat is in the system...if you can't reduce it .... maybe you should go on "BIGGEST LOSER"...they might just have a place for YOU there!!! Raising taxes is the EASY way out....if you are NOT qualified to accomplish this task Mayor L you need to hire people who CAN!! We will EVENTUALLY!! It's time to carry your weight Mayor....living off of the "fat" of the locals just isn't enough ....anymore!

Posted by: ME Location: South Bend (St. Joe Cty) on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Loss of property tax funds....what a joke! The tax bills have not even come out yet and by the way the PROPERT TAX CUTS DO NOT go into effect until the 2009 which are PAYABLE in 2010 but yet they want to add another tax to us starting at the beginning of the 2009 year. The South Bend Mayor is a joke. Since I live in the county (five digit address) I have no voting power regarding the city of South Bend and never would have voted him in if I had. We are going to be paying our property taxes based on the "new" assessed values which is not fair due to the current decrease in housing values. WHEN WILL THE TAX PAYERS EVER GET A BREAK!

Posted by: Carol Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:53 AM
NO to the tax increase! Mesa, AZ cut their police force pay by 2% to help their budget. Mayor take notice, it's time to cut your staff, your income, your spending, and your projects. The working people cannot carry everyone and everything on their back. Cut your budget - do without - sell that stupid Hall of Shame.

Posted by: Anon Location: South Bend, IN on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:42 AM
Dump the Hall of Shame and Cove, that will give you a ton of extra money!

Posted by: steve on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Joe is correct. Most hoosiers wined about property taxes so long that the state lowered them. Where did you think the money was going to come from people. We need to make our government more fiscally responsible and if they need to cut some $ out don't complain if the streets have a little snow on them just slow down and leave for work 15 minutes early

Posted by: tax payer Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:30 AM
I am not allowed to vote for the mayor and yet he can make my taxes go up. I don’t understand the taxation with our representation - Can someone explain this to me ? Raising taxes will be a mistake right now - figure out another way. Don't do it. ADD $1 to every ticket that Notre Dames sells at sporting events. Figure out some other way.

Posted by: Bob Location: SB on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Luecke is a complete fool and what he is proposing is criminal and show's complete arrogance, plain and simple. You people elected this guy, are you happy now?

Posted by: Sandy Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:09 AM
This is what you get when you vote Democrats into a political office. Maybe Mr Luecke needs to really look at how much money he is getting for being mayor and cut back some of that overpay. Just wait until you see what our new President does in the way of new taxes. He is going to raise taxes through the roof and we are going to end up supporting every minority that is in Indiana, even more than we already do. They are all going to quit even trying to get jobs and just let the working people support them. Should have voted Republican like any smart person did.

Posted by: June Location: St. Joe County on Nov 26, 2008 at 09:08 AM
Recall Luecke! Immediately, let's start a petition for a recall election of Luecke. He is despicable. I live outside the city, yet this moron has caused me more problems over the last few years then I can count.

Posted by: WishingIcouldmove on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Wow let see....loose taxable business for not for profit, not taxable. Give the not for profit 1 million dollar jumbo tron, just what down town South Bend needs. Mayor has 3 personal assistants but we may have to cut police and firefighters. I guess we know why our current city leaders are in government if they ran a business making these decisions that business would not be in business.

Posted by: Sue Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:34 AM
Mayor Luecke, I truly love this city(that is why I did not vote for you in the last election) but you are making it very hard to stay here.

Posted by: Kevin Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I say close the hall of fame and raise Kernans taxes on the Cove. No more free rides for friends of Steve. Charge a safety fee to ND since city services spend so much money dealing with drunk and unruly fans and students.

Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:16 AM
I'm confused. luecke is an ardent supporter of President-elect Obama. Hmmm. So much for "change." And that's really the confusing issue here. St. Joe County is overwhelmingly democrat . . .by only knowing how to pull the d lever, you've enabled these jokers to destroy the county and city for over 40 years. Where's the change? If you want "change," why do you keep putting these retreads in office over and over again? And it's no coincidence that the county and city are in the sad shape it's in during their 40 plus year reign.

Posted by: shoppy Location: OC on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:16 AM
I never excelled at politics in school but I think when you work for the goverment its called socialisum and you get to keep a very small portion for your self. Whos to blame is the idiots who voted to put the same irresponsible people back in office. The whole system is corrupt with egos running it. A good place to start making cuts is the Hall of Shame. This is not done because the Godfathers would have to admit they made a huge mistake. Has anyone ever did a invistigation to see how family members or or leaders profited from this and other things like the Harriss Library with gas fireplaces? Follow the money In case the locals havent figured it out many people are on the edge of collapsing the last thing they need is more tax

Posted by: fed up Location: sb on Nov 26, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Early in the summer the mayor wanted to hire a consultant firm to study changing some of the 1 way street back to 2 way and changing the entrance location of the cove. Was this plan shelved? If not, it should be and take that $$ and use it more wisely.

Posted by: MIKE on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:59 AM
JR. you need to learn how to SPELL!

Posted by: TOM on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:55 AM
is this guy for real people can't even keep there homes or jobs now and this jerk wants HIGHER TAXES i did'nt vote for this guy and i never would! steve and charlie need to go!

Posted by: BTH Location: SBN on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:50 AM
You blew it,Luecke! The citizens of this city are going to go out of their way to make sure you're never elected to anything, ever. No escape downstate for you Your rearguard for Kernan has met it's inevitable incompetent end. The electorate woke up for the presidential election and now it wakes up to your mismanagement. No amount of money can save a city you so feckleely ran into the ground. Embrace obscurity for you are surely on the way to it!

Posted by: Harley Location: N/W on Nov 26, 2008 at 07:10 AM
Lost jobs,no incomes,home foreclosures and this idiot mayor wants to punish the taxpayers more!Mr.Mayor you need to cut back like all of us.Don't tell me about loss of public safety; using it as a threat.If you have to cut police and firemen then you have to cut! You are rotting this city and losing people their homes.lives and jobs. You and Charlie belong together because neither of you are leaders.

Posted by: Stan Location: stjoecounty on Nov 26, 2008 at 06:58 AM
The rules of voting for local offices needs to be changed. right now I have a 5 digit mailing address so i,m not allowed to vote for the the mayors office ,yet this clown has a big say if my taxes are going to be raised. if this joker has a say in how much taxes i have to pay then i shoulg have a say in what crook gets into office.

Posted by: Don't Blame Me on Nov 26, 2008 at 06:20 AM
I voted for Manigault. Keep putting those tax and spend boys into office and this is what you get! Why don't we all have another party for Luecke at Demo headquarters! LOL! Maybe Mr. Mayor could fire the 5 deputy mayors he has?

Posted by: JR Location: sb on Nov 26, 2008 at 06:10 AM
Everyone who keeps blaming Daniels is a fool, before eveeryone taxes went up 40 to 60 percent how did the local govs make ends meet?My taxes went went up 600 dollars last year and I live in A modest home on the northwest side, yet with this so called big tax relief I,ll only see a decrease of about 135.00 dollars so what the hell is st joe county doing with all that extra money they didnt have a few years ago. people don,t have any more to give yet these CLOWNS want to raise taxes again? anyone who votes for a tax increase should be voted out now.As far as the police cuts that their trying to scare everyone with, perhaps if they were out patroling instead of having 5 squad cars parked in front of 7-11 one hour after theuir shift starts with their cars running we would,nt have to kepp hiring new officers.

Posted by: PO in SB Location: south bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 05:22 AM
why not use the million dollars you're giving to WNIT? but, I guess you don't want ANOTHER big empty building downtown. Use your head, Mr Mayor.

Posted by: Chad Location: St Joe County on Nov 26, 2008 at 05:17 AM
I wonder if I can file a police report since I'm about to be robbed and raped!! Oh What is that you say Steve, you spent money on the Cove and the Hall of Fame, The big Screen Downtown and bought up vacant houses so there is no money to have a policeman take my report? You say you cant prosecute the thieves because they were elected and Mike Dvorak has To many other things he is spending money on then prosecuting the criminals! I guess Luecke, Morton and the rest of the Incompetence will get their way! Lets leave St. Joe County and see how much Taxes they get when they have no Tax Payers. Smoke and Mirrors is what we get. Show up to the Council and VOTE these clowns out next Election!!!!!

Posted by: Jim Location: Granger on Nov 26, 2008 at 05:16 AM
TO Joe, well they could start with take home police cars. Second how about using the extra 50% in property taxes WE in St Jo Co. pay above the other counties in this state. Remember we pay 1.5%, everyone else is 1%. So why is it that everything in St Jo Co is so much more expensive, or screwed up?

Posted by: SoonHomeless Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 04:06 AM
Claps hands.... Yaaaaay higher taxes hooorah Hoooorah!!!!! I love higher taxes....... Here take my whole paycheck in taxes i'll live in a van down by the river.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 26, 2008 at 03:59 AM
I hope all you clowns that voted the taxocrats into office are happy.

Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Nov 26, 2008 at 01:23 AM
Look, public safety is going to have to funded someway or another. I personally dont care if they are going to raise the income tax if it means that NO police or FIRE will be layed off. Think of the ridiculous response times if they lay off 50 fireman. You can't do this people. The governor screwed us over with HB 1001 and now we are going to suffer because of it. I would like to know that the city i live in will be able to respond to any emergencies i may have in a timely manner. Knowing that 50 fireman are gone and that the ambo i need could take 15 minutes is ridiculous. Stop complaining about this tax hike. If you don't like it then get out.

Posted by: Matt Location: Mishawaka on Nov 26, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Could go up...Why don't you just come out and say it Steve; it is going to go up so everybody get ready.

Posted by: Mike on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:04 PM
I just read a story on here about vacant houses in South Bend. Keep raising taxes and the whole town will be vacant. Learn to live within your income like the rest of us do.

Posted by: Sg Location: South Bend on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:56 PM
You can bet the County is going to go along with this. It would not have come out if they weren't. It will be the same 2 council's that passed the original Option Income taxes. To be fair, Dustin does bring up some valid points. The State legislature and Governor did push HEA 1001 through and cut the revenue stream of the local goverments whose genral funds are derived from Property Taxes. To have made this equitable there should be monies from the sales tax increase coming back to municipalities to fund public safety, which should include plowing snow covered roads.

Posted by: Kg Location: South Bend on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:44 PM
What you don't realize, Dustin, is that South Bend and the County are the only ones in this position. Mishawaka actually said they would have a SURPLUS of money if the tax is passed. It's call fiscal responsibilty, which South Bend's administration has NONE. Go down south in the state and the tax bill has affected them even less. This is why Mitch was re-elected in a LANDSLIDE. The rest of the state is smarter than we in the bubble.

Posted by: Eric Location: South Bend on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:42 PM
These guys just don't get it. The purpose of HB 1001 was not to shift taxes from one side to the other. It was to cut funding so that governments were forced to cut their waste spending. Local governments are involved in a lot of things that they were never intended to be in, and because of that they have grown far larger than they should be. We depend on the government for too much, and we need to drop those expectations and make them drop programs. Seriously, where does it say that local governments should operate swimming pools? Where do we get funding to support the Youth Grants and Mayor's After School Program that funds over 20 organizations? Where's the money come from to service businesses with 10 year tax abatements that were given so they can open up here and then close in 9 years 364 days? We expect too much from our governments, and they provide too much. Non-profits, local associations, and we the people are supposed to provide services like these.

Posted by: Joe Location: Granger on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:31 PM
Does anyone who opposes the tax increase care to specifically say what should be cut from the budget? We have to pay for government services somehow. If it's not property taxes, it'll be income taxes or sales taxes. If you don't want to pay the additional taxes, then identify how the budget should be cut and explain why that particular item should go as opposed to some other budget item.

Posted by: Mike H Location: Elkhart on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:27 PM
I moved out of SB for this reason. The government is crazy. Am I mistaken or isn't SB in one of the 2 Indiana counties whom were allowed to leave their property taxes .25 % higher then the rest of the state? And this is not enough? Several counties do not even have an income tax. The purpose of the property tax was to save the tax payers money. Cut you services, parks, etc..........Most of the population uses none of them, nor benefit from them. Trim your budget like we have to do in our house holds. Enough is enough. Maybe I need to move out of the state all together.

Posted by: Aaron on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:26 PM
I think Mayor the should take an basic econ class and learn how to budget money better when you see Red Mr. Mayor Stop spending . Do you think Tax Increases are really what are economy needs right now NO! Luckily our state is in a surplus to MY MAN MITCH

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:10 PM
It's nice how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Bailout USA TAX"S

Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on Nov 25, 2008 at 08:34 PM
Did anyone think the taxes would not go up? Remember the Quote "over taxation without representation"?

Posted by: Dustin Location: Mishawaka on Nov 25, 2008 at 08:08 PM
I blame the Governor and the General Assembly for taking away the property tax revenue and limiting local government's options for replacing it. HB 1001 puts local government in an almost impossible situation and those who blame the problem on spending fail to realize the entire picture.

Posted by: Bill Location: Mishawaka on Nov 25, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Luecke needs to understand. A lot of people are out of work, many others are working less than a 40 hour week. There is NO MORE money for any additional taxes. CUT THE TALK! Just stop it Luecke, and work with lesslike the taxpayers have to. And for Rea and the County, take notice!


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