Prosecutor files reckless homicide charges against South Bank Bar aggressor
Prosecutor files reckless homicide charges against South Bank Bar aggressor Save Email Print
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Posted: 9:53 PM May 17, 2008
 Last Updated: 7:15 PM May 19, 2008
 Reporter: Alana Greenfogel
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"It was one punch."

Lisa Bartoszewicz was bartending at South Bank Bar on Lincolnway in South Bend Friday night. She says around three o'clock Saturday morning, the bar's security officer, James Muddiman Sr., was ushering folks to leave.

One patron, 27-year-old Joshua Kati, left and then tried to come back in. Doing his job, Muddiman wouldn't let him. That's when Kati threw just one punch. But one punch was enough to knock Muddiman to the ground, and after a day on life support, kill him.

"I came out on the floor and I tried to help him. I did CPR and we called an ambulance. And, it was just a really bad situation and we feel terrible about it," Bartoszewicz shares.

Bill Townsend was also at the bar that night.

"I hear a whole bunch of commotion and everyone starts running outside," Townsend says. "I didn't know really what happened but to find out really what happened is kind of scary."

"One punch. It depends where you get hit at, but one punch can do it for anybody," says Sarah Johnson who works nearby the bar. "It makes me reevaluate life. You can just walk into a grocery story or into a gas station and someone can be angry and punch you once. The next thing you know you don't make it."

Police arrested Joshua Kati, and he continues to be held behind bars in the St. Joseph County Jail. He has been charged with reckless homicide and aggravated battery.

Muddiman was a security officer for Integrity Security as well as for IUSB security. It was his first night working at South Bank Bar. We are also told he was a Vietnam War veteran.

"Mr. Muddiman was doing his job," explains Captain Mike Grzegorek with Metro Homicide. "He was absolutely not involved in anything. He was doing his job when he was struck by someone for whatever reason. It's just a terrible, terrible tragedy."
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Posted by: Aquaintance Location: South Bend on Jun 7, 2008 at 01:51 PM
I knew Josh. He could have been a really good person, had his parents stepped up and got him help when they realized what path he was heading down. They were scared of him, because he puts his hands on them too. They failed him, no matter how you cut the cake. I know that people are responsible for their own behavior, but I also know creatures of habit. If those habits are not broken, or stopped by force, they continue and worsen. He was too far gone at the cocaine point. Now he is just circling the drain. Now he has 3 children that will be emotionally crippled for the rest of their lives, when they idolized him. If he makes it in jail (after rolling on his friends), I truly hope he finally gets the help he has been begging for all these years. I owe my parents for waking me up when I was falling asleep at the wheel, as I could have been right there with Josh breaking the laws.
Posted by: April Location: West Side on May 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
To: Steve McGarrett, You say "Kati was charged with a CLASS A FELONY back in 2004 for selling almost 30 grams of cocaine to an undercover cop. He could have received 50 years in prison but his crying and sobbing in front of the judge got him 20 years of home detention instead." Actually it wasn't crying that got him home detention. It was him striking up a deal with the prosecutor's office to rat out other dealers. Several big dealers went to prison for a long time and Josh got a deal for his cooperation.
Posted by: Anon Location: Here on May 27, 2008 at 08:50 AM
Sounds like Charlie has anger issues too. Yeah, I have a problem with it- but you didn't leave your email address. A good father would not be under house arrest. And if he was, he would not be at a bar. And if he was, he would not assault another person... so what exactly is "good" about your boy?
Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on May 25, 2008 at 02:16 PM
So Charlie...if Josh hits man..man is now dead...how does that not make Josh a killer?
Posted by: Farley Location: Granger on May 24, 2008 at 08:13 AM
Hey Charie. Now your killer friend can be a good dad from behind bars for the next twenty years. Come on kids, lets go visit daddy in jail.
Posted by: charie Location: south bend on May 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Josh is not a killer he is a good father i known him for my whole life he is like a brother to me so u guys have no room to talk your stuff email me if u have a problem
Posted by: Abe Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 03:39 PM
This is yet another example of why I will never set foot in a bar. My generation of people who were born in the early to mid-80's only go out looking for trouble at these places. They just don't know when to shut up. I am 24 years old and have never been inside a bar and I am proud of it. If anyone out there is looking for trouble, there is a bar waiting for you. Just mix a little bit of alcohol in with that.
Posted by: DJ on May 21, 2008 at 02:58 PM
The younger generation has no respect! They over step their boundaries and place all the time! They are told by counselors and teachers at school, they can do what they want and no one can stop them,..I bet this guy was a bully at school,.. I bet if the principal could have paddled him and then when he got home got it again (But we all know the that is so called Child Abuse ha!) he would have thought twice about over stepping his boundaries and respected the position of the guard. God Bless members of both families in their time need.
Posted by: jay Location: downtown on May 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Isn't the owner of the bar, Mr. Colley related to the girlfriend who tried to leave with the drink? Obviously she's done that before so she thought, what the hell. Maybe she should have been at home taking care of her 3 or 4 kids by different daddies. But wait, she probably isn't raising any of them. Just hanging with the thugs, as usual. Maybe MSOS should start hanging around the bar. Might find a few more slugs under the rocks.
Posted by: Pat Location: Mishawaka on May 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I can't understan how someone under house arrest can be roamming the city after working hours. Didn't he have a device attached to his leg to alert officials of his movements?
Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on May 21, 2008 at 07:31 AM
Just another reason why judges should be elected. The home detention punishment is an absolute joke and had the judge who issued that ridiculous sentence done his job and out this dope head away for ten years, another innocent person would not be dead. While we feel terrible for the victim and his family, I guess we can take some solace in knowing where the killer is headed he'll likely be a "favorite newbie" for the locals in prison. Pucker up jerk!
Posted by: John on May 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Josh sucker punched me in school once and split my eybrow and I had to get stiches. They suspended him from school for 3 days, that's it. Karma is a MF huh Josh!! You're right jenny, what comes around goes around. I know you remember me jen, you're a druggie too so it figures you're upset. Your main supplier is going bye bye!
Posted by: i on May 20, 2008 at 08:33 PM
Jennifer Kati-shouldn't your email address be thickheaded@yahoo instead? And, anyone trying (and failing) to defend the KILLER here-give it a rest! A moron acted on his selfish tendencies and did something that even in his boneheaded drunken blurr he had to know was bad,-and which killed a person, and you want people NOT to say mean things about him? Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: The Dude Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 08:27 PM
What a coward. I hope he gets to prove how tough he is in prison, for a long time.
Posted by: Anonomys Location: Michgian on May 20, 2008 at 06:12 PM
A good hearted person as a few have called him, doesn't deal drugs, disobey the law, swing at elderly men, go out drinking while on house arrest and bully others to show he is a man.. that is a cowardly man.
Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on May 20, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Well, with scumbags like Josh for customers I guess I can write off ever visiting the South Bank. It must be a real "high class joint".
Posted by: Islander Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Hey Jennifer....I hope your brother has half the brains that you have. Given your poor grammar and spelling it really leads me to wonder what kind of "family" all of you really are. Is he one of those guys that acts tough as nails but broke down in tears like a spoiled brat in front of the judge to get a soft sentence? Get real Jennifer. Your brother cashed in at least the next 15 years of freedom and by the standard in which he lived his life that is welcome news to rest of us.
Posted by: Not a Judge Location: michiana on May 20, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Heather, I am sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what you are feeling right now, but know that there are a lot of people praying for you and your family. And to you Jennifer, I am sorry that you have lost your brother. In many ways, when a family member is sent off to jail/prison, it is like loosing them as well. You will be in my prayers also. I do not want to judge, because I do not want to be judged by others. We all fall short of the glory of God, but those who confess and ask forgiveness shall receive it. Read JOHN 3:16 it will help.
Posted by: Bill Location: Elkhart on May 20, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Tyler- it does not matter how "good" Josh is, if he did in fact hit Jim then he was the cause of death and will face the charges! I for one am praying for both Jim and Josh. Josh will face reckless homicide and aggravated battery charges and will serve out his time hopefully he will see that his actions affect more than just himself. Thankfully for Josh he did this in St. Joe county and not Elkhart, if this was in Elkhart County he would face the max allowable time no doubt. St. Joe County will probably probably give him just less than max and he will end up serving 5-7 years behind bars, he should think himself lucky!!
Posted by: heather muddiman Location: idaho on May 20, 2008 at 02:51 PM
our whole family is very sadend by the loss of my grandpa. he was a man trying to keep the peace and you get one person like this jonathan guy who shouldnt even be allowed in public who cant abide by the law and takes matters into his own hands. its sad to think that my children wont get the chance to know who their great grandpa was because someone took his life from him. i think that people like mr katy should never be allowed to walk the streeets again he is to much of an angrey soul.
Posted by: stephaine Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Yes this is a very tragic crime with no winners, however let us not forget the judge who allowed this to happen in the 1st place. Several people have posted it was Judge Albright but he had already retired. If anyone cares to do the research on this matter it again was the honorable judge ROLAND CHAMBLEE that gave this scumbag the 20 year suspended sentence to his A FELONY conviction and sentenced him to the house arrest crap. No only did he do that but then last year he modified the sentence again to take away the electronic monitoring system and let him run free on the streets. THANKS AGAIN JUDGE CHAMBLEE or is it JUDGE SHAMLESS?
Posted by: Anonymous on May 20, 2008 at 02:23 PM
i have never been friends with josh. nor do i want to ever be friends with josh. i know for a fact that he is a bully. i also know for a fact he is going to meet alot of bullies where he is going next. they can all have one big bully contest on each other for all i care.
Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on May 20, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Well, Tyler, unfortunately this was just one more in a long history of bad decisions for your buddy; and one that will put him in the pokey for a long time where his future bad decisions won't take anyone else's life. (Or maybe they will, but at least he'll be out of the general populace.)
Posted by: Candy on May 20, 2008 at 01:56 PM
WSBT site says alot more then this one does. It is saying his girlfriend tried to walk out of the bar with a drink, & the guard stopped her from doing so, & this is why this punk Josh hit him. So, you have 2 people, at 3:00 in the morning, drinking, & one wants to leave with her drink, which is against the law on more then 1 level, & because someone stopped her & said hey, you cant do that, he gets knocked out? Nice.. Seems the girlfriend is just as bad at he is. You are both LOOSERS!
Posted by: J Location: Mishawaka on May 20, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Some 60 year olds are in better shape then the young kids that eat fast food and play vidio games all day.
Posted by: Tyler Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I have been friends with Josh since we were in middle school, and I know for a fact that he has a good heart. Yes he has made some bad decisions in life, but no matter how bad a choice is I believe there is forgivness for everything. This whole situation is unbelievale and a great tragedy on both sides. I'll be praying for Josh, his family and for Mr.Muddiman's family. For all of you that are putting Josh down are now better, cause your acting just as immature!
Posted by: T. Paine on May 20, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I did something last night, just as an experiment. It required almost no effort at all. I did a google search for, "write your representative", not knowing what else to type in. Took me right to a website that walks you through everything. With all the resources we have, now, we have no excuse. Writing your representative has more power and influence than voting for President. My message to my rep. will be simple. Stop jailing non violent people, keep violent people in jail. When they get your mail, someone makes a check mark and the rep. sees the collection of check marks. Pastors well know (having learned from 60s activists) that if enough people create enough check marks, laws change. It's up to we the people. Don't wait for a President to solve all our problems. That will never happen. If it could happen, we would have a King, not a President. I want a country where I don't have to cower in my rich neighborhood, or my house, at night.
Posted by: Dan Location: Mishawaka on May 20, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I'm with Dave from Syracuse. Ex bouncer myself. I have had several individuals take swings at me and all types of drunks calling me names because I would not let them in the bar or let them take drinks out. I have had to on several occassions restrain someone because they thought they were going to kick my butt. Drunks like this who are already in trouble with the law and his girlfriend knowing he's in trouble with the law brought this on herself if she did try to take the drink out. Maybe she should be in jail as well. If she would not have tried to get out with the drink then none of this would have happened. Accessory to the crime. Let her do some jail time as well. It's punks like this that give bad names to a bar that probably has never had any problems. I also blame the law for taking this punks monitoring device off and letting him go where he wants. I think the city should be held accountable for punks that are suppose to be under house arrest.
Posted by: To Jennifer on May 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Jennifer, Are you really giving out your email, and telling people we can settle it there? Sure sounds if you have some anger issues also. Guess the apples don't fall too far from eachother in that family tree.
Posted by: Steve McGarrett Location: Five-O on May 20, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Kati was charged with a CLASS A FELONY back in 2004 for selling almost 30 grams of cocaine to an undercover cop. He could have received 50 years in prison but his crying and sobbing in front of the judge got him 20 years of home detention instead. And now he kills a security officer 36 years his elder with a cowardly sucker punch. For justice to be served, he should spend at least the next 36 years of his failed life in an Indiana prison. Or ... maybe someone will do to him what happened to Jason Katz. That would give this sad story a happy ending!
Posted by: J Location: Mishawaka on May 20, 2008 at 12:03 PM
If you can't control yourself when you drink, then you should probably stay sober. He probably did not have the intention of killing this man, but you pay the price for losing your temper. Drinking is not an excuse.
Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on May 20, 2008 at 11:57 AM
To JENNIFER "thickcity" KATI: Why don't you just tell us all here what really happened? Why would anyone want to e-mail you directly? Are you going to try and find us and beat us all up? Sounds like anger management issues run in the family...
Posted by: Me on May 20, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Jennifer, how can you say your brother did nothing wrong? He threw a punch that killed a man? And you think that's okay?
Posted by: RS Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM
The whole thing is a tragedy! Jennifer I understand that is your brother, but lets face it, your brother was wrong for even being at the bar, home detention means HOME DETENTION!
Posted by: wow on May 20, 2008 at 11:00 AM
rob 7:53 just for your info i dont go to church all i am saying is that it is not up to us to judge this man. i live in th U.S. and abide by its laws. if i choose to break a law then i am also choosing to face the consequences whatever they may be. those people that posted about street justice and prison rape sound like anarchist to me, not respectable U.S. citizens. and dont worry about my getting punched in the face cuz it certaintly would not be by you!
Posted by: T Location: SB on May 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM
After he serves the 20 year cocaine charge, then he'll start serving the homicide charge. Thank goodness Lorenzo Cruz, that this scumbag will be off the streets for many years to come. The judge gives this scumbag an incredible chance and he's out at bars picking on women and old men for kicks. Say bye- bye to your brother Jennifer, because when he gets out he'll be eligable for senior citizen discounts himself.
Posted by: To Ag on May 20, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Ag, "What comes around goes around" I sure hope you're a character witness for you "buddy" at the trial; he'll fry for sure then. What an insensative, moronic thing to say. I would call you stupid, but I wouldn't want to insult stupid people!
Posted by: lucy Location: south bend on May 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM
So, if this guy was on house arrest/home detention whatever you want to call it. Why wasn't his fashionable ankle braclet going nuts. To my understanding when someone is on home detention they are required to wear an ankle braclet that alerts authorities that the person is out of bounds. Usually you can't even walk around your own yard. So my question is why wasn't he apprehended when his braclet should've been going off? Did he not wear one? That's another failure in our judicial system. Plain and simple, he should not have been at the bar and the cops should've done something about it.
Posted by: wayne Location: south bend on May 20, 2008 at 09:44 AM
ya I read this story and say that why is that surprising you are in where drunken men are and they dont act normal at all we live in a violent society I dont go to bars maybe some will clean up cuz of this
Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on May 20, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Hey! people of St. Joseph county....when its time to vote...at the top of the voting page they ask if you want to retain the judges..vote yes or no. I always vote NO....if you ignore this and not vote at all..then your ballot cast a yes vote....so those of you that ignore that top part your're responsibile for retaining these dumb judges. Vote NO to retain these judges. Please!!!! Home detention...doesn't it mean your suppose to be at home? Again my condolence for the Muddiman family.
Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on May 20, 2008 at 09:22 AM
What this story fails to mention is that this fine upstanding citizen was already on house detention for drug dealing. Shows how much good THAT does.
Posted by: Anonymous on May 20, 2008 at 09:16 AM
O.k i just read that this idiot was on a 20 year home detention for dealing cocain. He deserves everything he gets, who hits and eldery person anyway? What is wrong with people and life they take for granted! This poor gentlemen was doing his job, and for Kati to hit him for not allowing his girlfriend to take a drink with her out of the bar! Was it worth it Kati? I hope you are haunted by that night for the rest of your life you low life waste. and as for your family the apple dont fall to far from the tree lets hope there not raising future low lifes. LETS START PARENTING SOCIETY!!!!
Posted by: Mr. Location: Obvious on May 20, 2008 at 09:12 AM
Accident or not, he still has to be accountable for taking another man's life. Just because you're drunk is not an excuse. You chose to drink so take it like a man.... or some bad man's girl when you get to your new home.
Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 20, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Lorenzo- right on...you said it, brother. To say this was a tragedy doesn't do it justice!! But God still loves the perp and victim just the same. And Laura- I find it so cold-hearted that you would single out this guy's sister to say "shame on her"...Shame on you!! You can't even imagine what these families are going through- forgiveness is a gift that NONE of us deserve. We all fall short of God's glory, so I direct this to Josh and his family- you can still live from this day forward for good. You can't change the past and regret is a killer- ask for forgiveness, forgive yourself, and make your life and the lives around you BETTER! I feel extreme empathy for the security guard and his loved ones, please don't think I'm soft on criminals...but I truly believe anyone can be forgiven if their heart is willing. Look at David Berkowitz aka Son of Sam...he's a strong Christian now, and a powerful witness to God's grace. Enough with the hate! Extend love to everyone, even criminals.
Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on May 20, 2008 at 08:41 AM
If you hit somebody then you need to be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions. Does not matter if it "was only one punch" or not. Be a man and walk away instead of showing your lack of maturity and punching an old man. Bars are such vial filthy places. Find something better to do with your time.
Posted by: jorenz Location: indiana on May 20, 2008 at 08:18 AM
it was one punch. not a planned out murder. and a 63 year old man should not be a security guard.
Posted by: Unknown on May 20, 2008 at 08:13 AM
What ever happened to mutual respect for one another. Whether you are impaired in your thinking or not. Just because we do not know some by name shouldn't mean that we have no respect for them. It is a shame one's stupidity can change a whole families life.
Posted by: Tyler Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 08:02 AM
Ag, you might want to find some new friends. Prosecutors say Kati has been convicted of domestic battery, theft, phone harassment, resisting law enforcement and two counts of consuming alcohol as a minor. His most recent example of how he "cleaned up his act" was serving a 20-year sentence on home detention for dealing cocaine. He had been convicted of selling nearly 30 grams of the drug to an undercover officer in 2004. I think luck has nothing to do with this story or how your friend's life turned out.
Posted by: Mic Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 07:55 AM
I hope this low-life loser scum bag goes to prison forever! He needs to get what's coming to him! My condolences to the Muddiman family.
Posted by: Laura Location: South Bend on May 20, 2008 at 07:31 AM
To Joshua's sister-how can you defend him? I just read in the South Bend Tribune he was on house arrest for criminal charages and had a rap sheet. I guess love is blind but not matter what love does he killed another human being by his anger! Shame on him & you for believing he didn't do anything wrong! He belongs behind bars for his actions & will be judged when he meets his maker!
Posted by: Lorenzo Cruz II Location: Kali on May 20, 2008 at 02:55 AM
To Josh and family- Despite what happened you have to keep your head up and pray that God will give you strength to make it through this predicament. Josh and I were are friends since middle school and he will always be my friend. All you people out there demanding his death, are crazy, Josh is still precious in Gods eyes and you judge by a worldly standard. Josh I hope you make it through this and pray that you let God in your heart because you will need Him. Josh family don't let these people bother you, take life day in and day out, no of these people can cast the first stone, so brush them off, and those who called him a snitch, I am so glad someone manned up and took these drug dealers out, because even though it may seem kool to be one, or a thief, a killer or those who promote a gangsta lifestyle, that is evil and only promotes a pitiful generation, I am not home in South Bend but I serve my country in the military, if i was back home believe me I would do the same 574-360-9878
Posted by: jason on May 20, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I dont know how he killed any one by punching them this dude hits like a girl even if he blind sides you.
Posted by: T Location: SB on May 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Wow, we have 2 monsters now, Joshua Kati and his scousin Jennifer.
Posted by: Dad of one Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 11:06 PM
What a dirt bag....tough guy hitting a 63 year old. Why cant people go out and have fun? There is always one idiot that has to ruin it for everyone. I hope he has plenty of time to think about what he did. Kati will make someone happy in the BIG HOUSE!!!!
Posted by: Buford Location: Hamlet on May 19, 2008 at 10:48 PM
For all you who think 63 is old, wake up! This man was a veteran! Some respect calling him elderly. Wait until you get there! Let's see who is calling who elderly.
Posted by: Mike Location: Mi on May 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM
So this "Great Man", "Great Father" and "Good Person" who has turned his life around is on 20 year home detention according to the news reports. So what was he doing in the bar in the FIRST PLACE!
Posted by: Kimberly Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 09:36 PM
AG, How could Josh have had a history with Mr. Mddiman? It was his first night working at the bar? I don't believe that constitutes a history. Second, Mr. Muddiman was the co-owner of Integrity Security. As far as I understand it, him and his girlfriend started the company. So all of you people bashing the security companies owner should feel pretty dumb right now. Third, he also did have health issues which were life threatening, so the punch that was thrown could very well not have caused death if it were not for his existing condition. Granted, the punch should never have been thrown in the first place, but there are some extenuating circumstances to this case. Anon, you used to work at a bar? I used to be security at a bar myself, not everyone is out to get into trouble at a bar. Many are just out to enjoy themselves with friends. Maybe you worked at the wrong bar. I am not familiar with this bar and maybe it's patrons are shady, but you can't group all bars together.
Posted by: Me Location: Michigan on May 19, 2008 at 08:45 PM
And .. ok.. sounds like he is a great father.. whose to say he doesn't smack his kids around when they say something he doesn't like as well.. A violent person is a violent person.. Alcohol just adds to the problem.. Im sure his kids will think greatly of him as they grow up with a father that is in prison.
Posted by: fred Location: south bend on May 19, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Hey Jennifer, how many times has the "Father of the Year" been arrested. 20 years Home detention for Dealing Coke - Great Father or Brother. Hope he's feeling like a Daddy tonight.
Posted by: Ferd on May 19, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Kati was supposed to be under 20 year house arrest (home detention) for his 9/2006 conviction of dealing cocaine. What was he doing in a bar anyway? If he was in prison none of this would have happened. Thank Judge Albright for that one.
Posted by: Mom of two Location: SW MI on May 19, 2008 at 08:35 PM
I also want to know what long history he could have had with a security guy on his FIRST night on the job.. seriously sounds like his friends and family are grasping at straws to make what he did okay.. Sounds like they have been getting him out of trouble his whole life.. this is one time it won't happen!
Posted by: AJ Location: SB on May 19, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Are you people writing some of these comments actually living in the United States of America? Sounds like the types of views and opinions typically reserved for such countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan. Over there they are know for stoning people to death for committing adultery. I mean really, he got drunk and punched a security guard. Yes, this guy is probably a low life piece of garbage, but he threw one punch. Most security guards I've ever encountered think they are tough guys. I'd bet anything that this security guard has thrown a few punches in his day. Charge him with involuntary manslaughter and let him serve a couple years.
Posted by: stacy Location: MI on May 19, 2008 at 07:56 PM
Jennifer Kati - if your looking for sympathy you've come to the wrong place. Sounds like your 'bro' is hot-headed redneck drunk. Hope he gets life w/o parol.
Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 07:53 PM
wow 6:52 - I hope you get punched in the face...let's see how you feel then with your 'oh so perfect' self. Go watch your church tv and stay offline, there's nothing but sinning to do here anyway.
Posted by: Henrietta Location: Goshen on May 19, 2008 at 07:47 PM
This is all so tragic. One drunken buffoon and one innocent. It happens every day. How do we prevent this? In a world full of violence at home, on television and abroad; we can't. We promote drinking in every sportscast. What message does this send to all the sheep watching this commercialism? Violence? Drunkenness? Our young men (and women) need guidance to accept the consequences that come from their actions. When it all comes out in court, I pray that this young man will dedicate his life to a path worthy of his mistake. Let's hope something good comes from this in the long run.
Posted by: JENNIFER KATI Location: SOUTH BEND on May 19, 2008 at 07:43 PM
FIRST OF ALL NONE OF YOU KNOW MY FAMILY. SO STOP TALK ***** ABOUT THEM. WE GREW UP WITH GREAT PARENTS AND NO OF YOU KNOW US IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM MY EMAIL IS thickcity@yahoo.com. MY BROTHER DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG AND ALL THE WITNESS DONT KNOW ANYTHING BC THERE STORIES KEEP CHANGING. ALL THE PUBLIC HEARS IS WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS AND ITS NOT THE TRUTH. SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH EMAIL ME. AND WE CAN RESOLVE IT THERE.

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Posted by: dave Location: syracuse on May 19, 2008 at 07:43 PM
i work n a bar n syracuse in. bring this tough guy up here to me n let him try this crap!!!!!im 35 6 4 315pds i have respect for my elders....... i have been a bouncer for twelve years n im very good at it. i dont trust or underexaggerate any person or situation.. i have dealt with punks like this for a long time.u mr kati is a loser with no future. my respects go out to the victims family...i wish i would of been there for his sake..
Posted by: melissa Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 07:23 PM
my prayers go out to the deceased!! this was an unfortunate incident and i wish you all the best!!
Posted by: William Go Tell on May 19, 2008 at 06:59 PM
ag, with friends like you Kati truly is in trouble. So what you're contending is perhaps there is a case for premeditation here, with the 'history' between these two? Ix-nay on the 'knowingly or intentionally killing another human being' alk-tay. Just forget you read this Mr. Prosecutor...
Posted by: wow on May 19, 2008 at 06:52 PM
to A seriously now pro fighters have their nose bones removed so it doesnt get shoved back into their head and kill them? what planet are you from? if getting punched in the nose was truly that deadly then people would be killed all the time in street fights. please go study human anatomy. to all of the others who hope mr. kati has all of these horrible things done to him, examine yourself. i cant beleive some of the opinions in these comments. mr. kati chose to drink which impairs judgement and then made a bad choice to punch the other man. he should face the charges allowed by law and be punished according to the full extent of our law. those of you suggesting otherwise seem very ignorant to me. hopefully none of you make a poor judgement that harms another person.
Posted by: DAVID Location: SOUTH BEND on May 19, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Jennifer Kati.. Your brother had a 36 year advantage on the deceased. 1-punch, or 50 it does not matter, a man is dead. Your Bro needs to "Man Up", and be held accountable for his "OWN" actions. No one forced him to be there, no one forced him to drink, and no one forced hom to throw a punch!Now on to ag... It was the deceased 1st. Night on the Job. How can there be a long history? You need to explain. Comes around goes around? Again I say.. 36year advantage! 63year old Senior Citizen beat to death!Sad to know that there are people like you running around. Its OK to beat up old people? Would this be OK if it was your Father, or Grandfather?
Posted by: Mom of Two Location: SW MI on May 19, 2008 at 06:09 PM
I am sorry but to the "friend" of the killer.. He intentionally hit this man. I don't care what he said to him it doesn't make violence ok.. If it was someone in your family, your wife, child, father, borther etc.. you would feel very differently. No excuse in the world makes this kind of thing ok. You say we aren't in his shoes.. but are you in the victim or victims families shoes?? Deffinately doesn't sound like it. He will have a good long time to think about his actions in jail. And I can say I have never made a life threating "mistake" as you call it in my life.. I think before I act. Which is how the majority of the population thinks. Obviously he didn't clean up his act or he wouldn't be in the prediciment he is in. This makes me sick to see someone defending such a horrid act. Obviously this wasn't a light tap to get his point across. It was a blatent bulley I am stronger than you and throw a mean punch type of thing. My prayers go out to the family
Posted by: Joe Location: S.B. on May 19, 2008 at 06:07 PM
ag you and your buddy Josh are both idiots who should not drink or breed. There is no justifying what happened. I dont give a dam what the old man did to him over a period of time . GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DRINK U IDIOT. You both make me sick!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on May 19, 2008 at 05:42 PM
he will have alot of time to brush up on his boxing skills in prison. i here they have them on a daily basis. though i do understand they are not always fair fights. good luck josh
Posted by: Jeff Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 05:42 PM
If you are man enough to throw a punch then you must be man enough to accept the consequences of your actions. A few years in prison for manslaughter will give Mr.Kati a chance to rehabilitate his behavior problem. I bet that Mr. Kati did not want to kill Mr.Muddiman, but he did, and now he must pay his debt to society. Hopefully other people will also learn from this and think twice before doing something stupid.
Posted by: R Location: NC on May 19, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Chaz, are you kidding me. you think that if the punch did not kill that man, but it was the fall that did it, Kati should get away with that? do you think that he would have just fell and hit his head on his own? because of the punch is why he fell and it took Kati's action of the punch to create the reaction of the fall so I would say it is still Kati's FAULT and he is a KILLER!!!!
Posted by: me Location: mish on May 19, 2008 at 05:18 PM
the old guy was 63 ,and the punk is 27.Sound like a tough guy to me
Posted by: carrie Location: SB on May 19, 2008 at 05:15 PM
To ag, what a stupid thing to say! "He had it coming", are you kidding me? It doesn't matter if he harassed the crap out of him he still did not have the right to put his hands on him and harm him. Just remeber from your own words what goes around comes around with the attitude you have you may want to think about that!
Posted by: Anonymous Location: elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 05:15 PM
he is a bully.now he will meet alot of bullies and they can beat the crap out of each other all they want.
Posted by: R Location: NC on May 19, 2008 at 04:44 PM
ag, So what you are saying is that if someone provokes me over a long period of time I can just accidentally pull out a gun and kill him ? but because they PROVOKED me and it was an ACCIDENT it is ok and I should get away with it. How in the hell can you accidentally punch someone I think you clearly know that is what you are doing.
Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 04:40 PM
By accident I mean that I doubt very much that Kati thought that the punch would wind up killing the man. It may not have even been the actual punch that did it. He may have fallen and hit his head. That in no way means Kati shouldn't pay. It just means his life shouldn't be over because of it.
Posted by: A Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 04:36 PM
what someone dies u didnt 'mean' it to happen, so it is an accident?! NO he INTENTIONALLY threw a punch obviously hard! this was NO accident whether he meant the outcome or not violence of any sort is NO answer! being drunk is NOT an excuse either! if u cant contain urself from violence while u drink, n drink too much, then u have no business drinking! of course it was only 1 who knows if the guy would have thrown more the guy went down basically dead at that time there wasnt another punch cuz 1st one was as bad as it was as for the one talking about this supposedly not being bad cuz it was only one that fighters get hit over n over n not die it is cuz they have their nose bone removed otherwise when they are hit n it jams the bone further into their head it KILLS!!! whose to say this guy didnt know that? had he been in military or some sort where he knew how to throw a deadly punch? well said jason 5/19 1:35p! again this 'old'man as u call him may have been in great shape a 6foot250lb
Posted by: J Bristol Location: Bristol on May 19, 2008 at 04:36 PM
what a punk..already on probation , house arrest and somehow he was at a bar...I dont get it. They are already playing a dominoe tourney to see who gets to split him open first !And Jennifer , i would protect my brother also , but when it comes time... he is what he is ! A Punk !
Posted by: anon. Location: S.Bend on May 19, 2008 at 04:29 PM
To Jennifer, I hope you are right, for you and your familys sake. To the Muddimans family,I pray for you to get through this tragic incident.To the know-it-alls, we do not yet know the whole story. We do know that one person made a bad choice by striking another. To say he did not have intent to harm is wrong. When anyone lashes out to another it is with intent to harm, words go much farther than striking someone.No matter what the reason was, he was wrong in what he did. This man was a security guard, not a punching bag, even a one hit one.Where is the respect in people? I hope some will think twice now. I hope some will realize that maybe this man really did not want to work in a bar, maybe he did not have a choice,maybe he was trying to make it until he could have retired, maybe he was one of many who are continually denied disability and told they can work as security or in a gas station. I have been to South Bank and have enjoyed the music, and the atmosphere there.
Posted by: MM Location: Granger on May 19, 2008 at 04:19 PM
How sad. Enjoy your time in the big house. My heart goes out to the family of the deceased.
Posted by: ag Location: south bend, IN on May 19, 2008 at 04:07 PM
R, back up man. You don't know Josh. I've been close to Josh for years and he has a history with that bouncer. The bouncer wasn't just "doing his job." The guard provoked it over a long period of time and had it coming. What "goes around" came around on this guy, but it unfortunately killed him. Josh has cleaned up his act in the past couple years and is a good person. To any of you who sit here saying he did this guy up in cold blood, you are wrong. And for you to sit here and judge him when it was clearly an accident, just remember something.. You bleed the same color as Josh, and I'm sure you've made mistakes in your life that could have been life-threatening. The only difference is, you lucked out.
Posted by: A Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 04:06 PM
tom it doesnt matter if he left something very good possibility however when he isnt allowed back in all he had to do was nicely explain that more than likely he would have been allowed back in but no he didnt do that instead he seriously punched this guy so hard it only took one to put him down eventually killing him! there is no excuse for any kind of violence! solve situations without weapons n without hitting! instead this guy killed 1 ruined many many others lives both the persons families who died n the person who killed him as well as true friends they'll all suffer for the rest of their lives over this one punch... what did this violence solve? not one damn thing but certainly created a whole lot more... as 4 those who think a 63 yr old is old get real! that is NOT old perhaps there are some people who show their age moreso than they r but there r many who are in very good shape n even more capable 2 handle these things this guy sounds like he knew how 2 throw a deadly punch!!!
Posted by: Larry Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 04:04 PM
To JENNIFER KATI.....yeah ok.
Posted by: R Location: NC on May 19, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Joshua Kati, I hope to god that St.Joe Pros burn you a**. You think you are such a hard a** wait till you are in prison so you can be someones b*tch and hopefully you have the same thing happen to you. What goes around comes around.
Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on May 19, 2008 at 03:28 PM
He was drunk...it was an accident.
Posted by: Chris Location: New Carlilse on May 19, 2008 at 03:21 PM
How very sad and pathetic. Both the incident and the comments posted. The conduct of Kati was unjustified and unreasonable based on the facts in the news story. The prosecutors will charge whatever crime is most fitting to the conduct, but you smarties that know more and want murder will be disappointed. The statute for murder does not fit this conduct as reported. Read the law. "Knowingly or intentionally kill another human being." Can't prove his intent to kill based on one punch, but I guess you would be happier if that was charged, then a jury finds Kati not guilty and he gets NO punishment. Would that be the justice you are after? If you do not know what you are talking about, may God grant you the wisdom to stop talking/typing. Just say it's a shame, two families are losing men because of one's horrible choice. Nobody wins in these situations.
Posted by: Greg on May 19, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Horrible accident? Get a clue Chaz. Hitting another person is not an accident... Let's let someome take a shot at this punk and see if that is an accident. Get a freakin' clue!
Posted by: jorenz Location: indiana on May 19, 2008 at 03:09 PM
it was one punch. he didn't beat him over and over. one punch, just happened to be in the wrong spot. and a 63 year old shouldn't be a security guard. people act stupid when they are drunk. everyone knows that.
Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 02:49 PM
I feel awful for the victim's family but I'm not of the opinion that everyone that throws a punch should spend the rest of his life in jail. It was a bad decision and he should face punishment. Unfortunately the victim died. Had he not the charge would have been nothing more than battery. This warrants more than that but part of this can be chalked up to a horrible accident.
Posted by: Lee Location: south bend on May 19, 2008 at 02:40 PM
We don't have "Murder2" in Indiana- According to Indiana Criminal Code, it would fall under Involuntary Manslaughter: A person who kills another human being while committing or attempting to commit...(among other things) battery. Battery = touching another person in a rude, insolent or angry manner.
Posted by: Men Location: Osceola on May 19, 2008 at 02:32 PM
What a shame that a young punk would even hit an elderly man, and what a shame that a 63 yr old is working as security at a bar. Lets take a better look at our government support for the eldery. It is possible that one hit to the right place can kill someone instantly. The punk will probably only get manslaughter, serve a few years and then get out and act the same way. Someone in this punks life had to know of his demeanor, should of seeked help for his anger. Heard the punk is related to owner of the bar, and didn't think he had to follow rules. What a shame. Some people need to get a grip on their actions and reactions, life is too short, as you can all see, Now, you live with taking an innocent life over what...a beer? C'mon....
Posted by: TONY Location: GOSHEN on May 19, 2008 at 02:25 PM
throw the book at him!
Posted by: Mike on May 19, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Re: Nancy A lot of what you said is true, but what the autopsy does is tell the story of exactly how he died. Whether by the punch or not, if he had a health issue (say a heart condition) and the punch caused him to have a heart attack, it would come down to the simple question (and it's a very gray area) if Mr. Muddiman was not punch would he have had a heart attack. Simple stuff like that can sway a jury either way. The likely result in this case would be the prosecutor giving Kati a plea bargain to plead guilty to the lesser Involuntary Manslaughter. I hope that helps. Legal matters are hard to explain.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: anywhere on May 19, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Close the BARS, what does anyone think people do at bars? They are nothing but a place for no good people looking for trouble. I used to work at a bar, I know. Two lives are gone for no reason whatoever.
Posted by: eric Location: south bend on May 19, 2008 at 01:35 PM
what a coward, i hope its a jury trial so a sb judge can not let this scum go free after a few months of lockup.
Posted by: Jason Location: SB on May 19, 2008 at 01:35 PM
I knew josh through high school and for a while after. This guy is a piece of trash and is known for "sucker punching" people when they arent paying attention and as far as I know has never been in a stand up fight in his life. Seriously who hits a man in their 60's oh wait I know, a weak, low life, looser with no ethical standard. If josh has been living the same way he was seven or eight years ago then he's most likely on probation and will be going to prison regardless the severity of the charges brought against him.
Posted by: Steve-O on May 19, 2008 at 01:33 PM
He looks kinda cute and has a pretty smile, so he shouldn't have a problem making friends in the big house where he's going to go.
Posted by: Tomo Location: River Park on May 19, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Josh grew up with my kids, his mother and stepfather are wonderful people, they took him out of a terrible situation with his father, show some respect he didn't beat the guard he hit him once, yes it was wrong and he will have to pay but all you Jesus people calling for death and prison rape?. where were you when Josh needed help earlier in life?..not there..you need to reconsult your book of rules Jesus left you! I feel sorry for the guards family but would not wish prison rape or death on anyone.."all have sinned ".. who said that?? your savior Jesus Christ!! WWJD? why don't you all go pray for the victims family and for Josh??Also lets shut down this bar I have been there and watched them serve drink after drink to people already drunk shouldn't they take some of the blame?
Posted by: JENNIFER KATI Location: SOUTH BEND on May 19, 2008 at 01:20 PM
MY BROTHER IS NOT A MONSTER. HE IS A GREAT MAN AND A GREAT FATHER. MR. MUDDIMANS DEATH IS SAD. HOWEVER WHO IS TO SAY THAT MY BROTHER IS ONE WHO DID IT. ALL THE POLICE HAVE IS A WHOLE LOT OF DRUNK WITNESS. THE POLICE HAVE NOTHING ON HIM AND THE WAY THE MEDIA IS DRAGGING IS NAME THOUGH THE MUD IS HORRIBLE AND SHOULD STOP. MY FAMILY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE TRUTH IS TOLD AND WE MY NEVER FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. MUDDIMAN, BUT MY BROTHER DID NOT DO ANYTHING AND EVERYONE WILL NO THE TRUTH.
Posted by: didntgetkissedfirst Location: intherear on May 19, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Whatever crime this young hoodlum will be charged with and I hope eventually found guilty of, i for one don't feel jail and/or prison time is warranted. All that does is cost me money. I say we let him on the street so someone from the victims family can administer justice the way it ought to be done. An eye for an eye I say. Should this security guard had been my father or grandfather, I would love to put this punks lights out, not pay for him to live off the sweat of my working ass. Jails are a waste of tax dollars, it is easier and more cost effective to execute on the street. Give him a trial, and if found guilty, turn him loose and hunt him down.
Posted by: Me Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 12:56 PM
South Bank bar is nothing but a low life bar filtering in drug activity that has been going on ever since it opened up from owner to owner... and as as far as the SCUM who killed the guard, he will get a slap on the wrist and be set free.. the usual garbage that goes on in this JOKE of County!
Posted by: steve Location: plymouth on May 19, 2008 at 12:44 PM
heres reason #2894 i dont live in south bend
Posted by: ME Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM
I think the security guard should be given all the rights and honors as a POLICE officer that dies in the line of duty. After all... the security guard was actually WORKING when he was assaulted YET we give police officers who weren't even working a funeral at the taxpayers expense.... hmm....
Posted by: Susan Location: Wakarusa on May 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM
My condelences to the Muddiman family! What a shame and what terrible news to receive. What was this guy's blood alcohol level? Should he have been cut off earlier? Was he hitting the stage of drunk where he's totally invinceable, the ladies should all love him, no one should tell him no? Sounds like it. What a waste!! Now the Muddiman family has to make sense of something totally senseless, and the state of Indiana gets to support another stupid moron for at least 20 years. I wonder if this idiot even remembers what happened?
Posted by: Anonymous on May 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Hang The 27 year old punk.I bet he had his hat on sideways and his pants sagging down which makes you a bad a** these days. Young people have No Respect these days
Posted by: Nancy Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Regarding charges: a lot is not known yet...an autopsy will probably be done. Sometimes it shows something that keeps charges down. Like it or not, if the guard had health issues, it can affect charges. The prosecution starts w/ initial charges of agg. battery & Batt-SBI as stated above in the article because Kali hurt him so badly. Now that the poor man has died, a charge of Murder 2 may be put up, but normally the expectation of manslaughter as the final result. The involuntary and voluntary is where it's sticky...because (I THINK) it's based on Kali's understanding of the result of his punch to the guard. [If the general expectation is that a punch will cause death to a person that would mean voluntary.] And then there's the good-ol'e suing of the bar owners. End result: Nothing good is coming out of this; everyone will suffer in some way with Mr. Muddiman's family suffering the worst by losing him so quickly. (pls. correct me if wrong; I'm no lawyer that's for sure.)
Posted by: Jeff Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Tom, you are a disgrace to human kind. Did you leave your intelligence before you left your post? If the security guard did put his hands on him so what, that's his job. Somebody should punch you in the face and hopefully you will fall to the ground too.
Posted by: Nancy Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 11:07 AM
How very sad. Life taken in a split moment. The guard will never go home to family and speak with loved ones. The guy who threw the punch can never get back the moment he needed to 'chill', turn around and go home. Most people used to respect bar owners (who also held a ball bat) and took their attitudes and fights/problems outside. Now, the attitude of 'No One Can Tell Me What to Do' prevails whether people are intoxicated or not. Don't you see it everywhere?? No kindness; No helpfulness. [Just nasty mouthed or ill behaved people. Stand up for ourselves. Tell those customers or employees when their behavior is rot and mean. Tell kids running down elderly to knock it off. Don't 'grab' for your change. Don't cut in line or drive on the right and EXPECT to be let in, etc.] Sadly, now a man lays dead and another will wake up to realize he can't turn back time. He should be punished fully for his actions and his soul prayed for. Our thoughts for the family of the deceased.
Posted by: Alan Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Drag Kati behind a vehicle till he is deceased. Seems appropriate. Until the law starts handing out quick, severe, and mid-evil type punishment this type of senseless ghetto/thug/punk type of behavior will continue to wreck the law abiding society most of us want. It is time we start dishing out an eye for an eye.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Anonymous on May 19, 2008 at 10:46 AM
If our Prosecutor and the prosecutor's staff and office were smart, they will be murder charges against this JERK!!!!!!!
Posted by: Tim Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM
It's a shame local security companies pay these guys 7-8 dollars an hour, while their employer in turn collect 15 dollars an hour for their services. Fine! Business have to make money. However, a 63 year old man "securing" a bar at 3 am? There are age restrictions for police officers, soldiers and other professionals. Mr. Kati wasn't "bad", he didn't have a "super punch". Boxers get punches all the time. Those ultimate fighters get punched all the time and they live! How many 63 year old boxers or fighters to you know? This is a sad case of security companies abusing their employees. Businesses call security companies because they have problems, fights, break in's, robberies. The security company will send anyone they have because they will make the almight dollar! If it was a safe environment then they wouldn't have needed security!
Posted by: lucy Location: south bend on May 19, 2008 at 10:42 AM
It's so sad, and this loser is only going to get manslaughter...shouldn't matter, he took a life plain and simple..he should be charged with murder, no questions. So many kids these days think they own this world and don't care about anything!!! I like to call it bad, horrible, terrible, crappy, etc. parenting....!
Posted by: Anonymous on May 19, 2008 at 10:39 AM
63, evidently he had to work to make ends meet. Getting punched by a young person who is bigger and much stronger, and most likely fueled by drinks and who knows what else. To have survived one of the most horrifc wars ever, than to die by violence here in a bar, by a fool loosing his cool, where is the justice?.
Posted by: Larry Location: Southside on May 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM
If we are the christian community that we profess to be, what are places like this open for at 3am? Open for dinner hour and close at midnight, anything past that hour is marked for trouble anyway...too many drinks or a drunk driving home..... . Ask this question....did the establishment contribute to this by continuing to serve this person past any point of undrunkedness?????? We have licenses for gun ownership, licenses for driving, how about licenses for drinking? Sounds to me like a good idea...
Posted by: Sue Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 10:19 AM
What a tragedy! My first comment is, as an older citizen, why does anyone put a 63 yr old man in a situation where doing his job can potentially pit him against younger and stronger men juiced up and expect him to protect himself if such situations arise. The risk factor is JUST TOO GREAT!!! You tell me if the idiots of the world is going to be intimidated enough by an older man to think twice before throwing a punch??? Bars need 6'5" 250 lb men that can put the fear of God into these losers!!!! Especially when there is no respect for authority or elders these days!! Keep us older people out of harms way!!! My sympathy to Mr. Muddiman's family and friends. Hang the jerk who hit him up by his fingernails!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on May 19, 2008 at 09:52 AM
Kati is done, he was on house arrest already. Another case of our system letting us down.
Posted by: Connie Location: Warsaw on May 19, 2008 at 09:46 AM
My heart goes out to the Muddiman family. And to the moronic little puke that hit him, hope they lock him up and throw away the key. His selfish sense of entitlement could have cost anyone their life. If he's so spoiled and sef-centered to hit someone just because it's closing time then no one who crossed him in traffic, the stores, at work or in a parking lot would have been safe. So, a couple of questions to pass onto any of the developing punks in our lives--is this Kati's life better now? or worse? What did his use of force get him? He's now a pathetic loser despised by the community.
Posted by: Jack Mehoff Location: Rolling Prairie on May 19, 2008 at 09:46 AM
You wonder what's wrong, the punk was charged with aggravated assault. He murdered a complete stranger without malice of forethought. He needs to be prosecuted to the full extent. Sorry, I forgot we're in South Bend.
Posted by: Tom Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Were any of you people there? Hang him it was all his fault. Did Kati leave anything in the bar? Did this guard allow him back in? You don't know. Did the guard put his hands on Kati? Get the facts before you hang the kid.
Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 09:39 AM
First of all, my condolence to Mr. Muddiman's family. As to why a senior citizen at 63 years old is working..its called supplementing your social security. I wouldn't think Mr. Muddiman was hired to be a bouncer, but to close up the bar and possibly clean up. At age 63 myself, that person who did this better hope I am not on the jury when he goes in front of the judge.
Posted by: CB Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
To "what?": Yes, a 63 year old "security" guard...what's wrong with you? Unfortunately we need security all over the place now because there are so many idiots out there who think they rule the world. To all you punks out there GROW UP! The world doesn't revolve around you. My prayers go out to Mr. Muddiman's family and freinds.
Posted by: UNKNOWN Location: SBI on May 19, 2008 at 08:50 AM
Yes. it is really messed up that this person felt the need to pick a fight... well actually he likes to pick fights with people... but im surprised that he would hit an older person. I guess he really just doesnt think twice about his actions. but i really do not think that is right for people in the previous comments to stereotype all of the twenty something year olds that go out and try to have a good time. i mean Kati is like almost 30... I am a 23 year old and i do have respect for authority. It is just so people that are oblivious to it i mean i have been at the landing and like a 38 year old guy choke slammed someone one the bar and put up a fight when he got kicked out and 38 is def. not in the younger crowd to me...
Posted by: Ivy Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 08:46 AM
What an unfortunate incident for all those involved especially for the family of the deceased gentleman. Actually when you put your hands on someone (which you are not entitled to do) you run the risk of ANYTHING happening. Mr. Kati should receive a sentence that reflects an involunary manslaughter charge. Let's see if he can take just one punch when he's in prison.
Posted by: Charlie Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 08:41 AM
This is a tragic happening for all parties. I coached this young man in Little League many years ago. He was a great kid that respected everybody at the time. I am very, very sadddened to read this. My condolences to the deceased's family.
Posted by: john pillow Location: edwardsburg on May 19, 2008 at 07:55 AM
Why are there so many stupid people.
Posted by: Ryan Location: South Bend on May 19, 2008 at 07:43 AM
Kati should fry! People are getting away with far too much.
Posted by: Dan Location: Mishawaka on May 19, 2008 at 06:54 AM
That just goes to show that younger kids these days do not respect authority or the law. When the security or doormen at the bars tell you it's time to go, then it's time to go. If you can't respect the bar rules then don't go to the bar. You may go there to drink, but you do not own it. It's a business, when asked to leave then leave. It's a shame that someone doing his job had to have this happen because of some low life individual who feels that the world owes him and he should be able to do as he pleases. He will be taken care of in prison when the other inmates find out that this guy killed someone because he did not want to do as told. Lets see how long he last when he tells others no or refuses to not do as he's told. Hope you have a lot of friends in prison. I was a doorman (bouncer) for almost 10 years and any problems that I had were with the younger group thinking that they owned the place and if I kicked them out the bar would close up.
Posted by: what? on May 19, 2008 at 05:53 AM
63 year old "security" gaurd?!
Posted by: Laurie Location: niles on May 19, 2008 at 04:46 AM
My condolences to the family. It is a tragic story. My thoughts though are the prosecutors are going to have a hard time proving that he had the intent to murder with one punch. He should get the maximum of lesser charges, such as aggravated assault and involuntary manslaughter in my opinion.
Posted by: natedawg Location: s bend on May 19, 2008 at 12:48 AM
what a city
Posted by: Shelley Location: Mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 11:47 PM
This makes me sick! Jim was a good man doing his job. My condolences to his family.
Posted by: Kimberly Location: South Bend on May 18, 2008 at 10:55 PM
What a tragic situation. It is scary how much violence is taking place in the world today. It seems like hate and anger are the modern day versions of the plague. So much pain and suffering is caused by out of control emotions and actions. My heart goes out to Mr. Muddiman's family and friends. He** of a way to end your first night at work! I hope Mr. Kati feels a little more than just a hang over, I hope he feels remorse for what he has done.
Posted by: Mona Location: Lisa on May 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM
What is wrong with people? This man was just doing his job. Why can't people just go have fun and go home. Why start trouble?? Especially with a 63 year old man? Hope you're a big tough guy in prison like you were when you were picking a fight with an old man!
Posted by: What the... Location: south bend on May 18, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I wonder if this man thinks it was worth it to hurt someone over having to leave a bar. Such a shame.
Posted by: Greg on May 18, 2008 at 09:18 PM
How depressing to know that there are such idiots in this world...
Posted by: unknown on May 18, 2008 at 09:10 PM
I'm only 27, but these days I just prefer to stay home on the weekend, because of incidents like this. I just don't feel safe going out anymore. These idiots go out, can't hold their liquor, and instigate fights for no apparent reason. It's just ridiculous. People like this deserve to be locked up!
Posted by: Anonymous on May 18, 2008 at 09:01 PM
what will this guy get? manslaughter or murder 2?
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mish on May 18, 2008 at 08:53 PM
What a tragedy. My heart goes out to his family.
Posted by: Irish Location: Goshen on May 18, 2008 at 08:27 PM
As a child I was taught to Respect My Elders, seems like someone forgot to teach this BOY any Manners. I wonder how many drinks this BOY had to drink to become sorry &%$#@*&% excuse of a man. Hope you rot in jail Maggot. I am sure someone will take real good care of you, the future Mrs. Joshette Sweetcheeks Kati
Posted by: Sheri Location: plymouth on May 18, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Hope he gets what he deserves . I dont wish bad on anyone, however beating a 63 year old to death,all he was doing was his job, and some drunk idiot does this to him. So sad R.I.P James..
Posted by: anon Location: south bend on May 18, 2008 at 08:10 PM
Watch, Dvorak's office will charge this dude with something petty like manslaughter, rather than murder.
Posted by: Big O on May 18, 2008 at 07:47 PM
Joshua Kati the devil is waiting for you
Posted by: BigBurn420 Location: SB on May 18, 2008 at 07:02 PM
I swear these (expletive deleted) punks think they are just so bad and they have nothing better to do then cause stupid (expletive deleted) like this to happen...That guy lost his life FOR NOTHING...NOTHING!!!!!!!
Posted by: anon on May 18, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Back in Marshall Dillon days there would be a tall tree, short rope and a horse for this guy, not a bunch of lawyers and pleas...
Posted by: Are you kidding? Location: Makes no sense! on May 18, 2008 at 05:31 PM
Why is the heck was there a 63 year old security guard workin at a bar in the 1st place? There needs to be young strong men guarding the safety of patrons at a night club, not an old man. Sorry, this is partially the fault of the bar owner and he should be ashamed!!!
Posted by: DAVID Location: SOUTH BEND on May 18, 2008 at 02:17 PM
Real nice. 27yr Old beats a 63yr Old senior citizen so severly he kills him. I hope your proud of yourself...IDIOT!!
Posted by: Anon on May 18, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Sadly, it has been reported the guard died. Tragic
Posted by: T Location: SB on May 18, 2008 at 09:17 AM
I wonder how the drunk Kati will feel when this gentleman expires as a result of his actions. He'll probably have to pack the romance novels and toothbrush where he's headed.
Posted by: Concerned Location: Mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 02:46 AM
I witnessed a very serious beating occur in the 100 Center in Mishawaka a couple weeks ago. The man that was beat was unresponsive and the medics were doing cpr on him as they loaded him into the ambulance. I'm not sure if he died but he wasn't breathing after the beating. It seems that none of the Princess City's major crime makes the media, why not?

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