How deep is St. Joe County debt?
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Posted: 6:34 PM Mar 17, 2008
Last Updated: 6:34 PM Mar 17, 2008
Reporter: Mark Peterson
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Just how deep is the debt in St. Joseph County?

Last week’s passage of a property tax relief plan in the Indiana General Assembly focused attention on the borrowing habits back home.

The plan gave special treatment to St. Joseph and Lake counties, because both had debt levels that exceeded 20-percent of assessed valuation.

That special treatment shocked and surprised some local lawmakers. “I think it’s inexcusable,” said Ind. Rep. Jackie Walorski, (R) Lakeville. “To have a 22 percent debt like St. Joe County has for a county our size, the rest of the counties around our state are not in this situation.”

“I think this is an opportunity for taxpayers in this county to understand that every time they pick up their paper, or turn on their local newscast, and find out there's a new bond is being floated, there's a new this and a new that,
their paying for it,” Walorski said.

St. Joseph County’s outstanding debt is $58.6 million. That’s 23-percent of the county’s total assessed valuation.

The biggest borrowers are school corporations. The South Bend Community Schools owe $20.7 million. The Penn Harris Madison system has $15.9 million in outstanding debt. The Mishawaka schools have $6.3 million in outstanding debt. The County of St. Joseph itself has $5 million in borrowing on the books.

“The cities and towns have option tax dollars that they can pledge to do capital projects,” said Senator John Broden, (D) South Bend: “the schools almost always rely on property taxes for their projects, but St. Joseph county's debt, is not outside the norm by any means.”

St. Joseph county’s debt does stand out when it’s stacked up against that of neighboring counties. LaPorte County’s debt is 9.2 percent of its assessed value, while Elkhart County’s is only 5.7 percent.

Further from home, Lake County’s debt is 34-percent of a.v. (assessed value), while Delaware County’s debt is 17-percent.

The decision to deal with St. Joseph County’s debt outside of the tax caps will have an impact on local homeowners.

While everyone else in the state will presumably see their taxes capped at one percent of the home’s assessed value, residents living in South Bend/ Penn will pay, on the average, 1.34 percent. In Lakeville/ Union Township homeowners will pay an average of 1.1 percent.

“We had a choice,” said House Speaker B. Patrick Bauer, (D) South Bend. “Either paying a one percent income tax or a slightly higher, for a few years, one or two tenths of a percent, (above the cap) to pay off that bond.”

Bauer said the choice was easy. “Certainly once you're starting to go over one percent, (on the income tax) you’ve got another problem. People will be coming back in for income tax relief.”

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Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 19, 2008 at 02:18 PM
I agree with Transman. We do have a debt problem, and it needs to be fixed. I run a local business, and if I ran it the way our local government is run, I would have 17 unemployeed people. Now those 17 would sign up for unemployment, and the problem gets worse. Time to fix the Debt Mr. Mayor and Mr School Superintendant. That is Job 1.

Posted by: Transman Location: South Bend on Mar 19, 2008 at 06:45 AM
To Dale: The problem with our society is just that, Debt! The sub prime problem is no different then the out of control spending at our local school systems. People spend over their heads, and get into trouble, it must stop. Fancy building do nothing to teach your kids, except spend more money. Think about it. Look at the houses in trouble with mortgages, they are generally much bigger and fancier than the occupants can afford. We need to live within our means. Us and our government, local, city, county, state, and fed....

Posted by: Walkerton on Mar 18, 2008 at 08:56 PM
Stop new spending and building until we get the debt under control. School Corps., county gov't, and city gov't start practicing financial responsibility. No more new dispatch centers, sports complexes, new school, or any other large project. Stop issuing tax abatements. The mess needs common sense, financial responsibility, and new leaders and school boards. Why cann't our leaders see the public is strapped financially and do not need increased taxes. Why are foreclosures up? No money in John Q publics pockets. Look at taxes, gas and food prices in relation to wage increases. Mitch,Steve, Jeff, Jackie, Bauer wise up . Live within your means stop floating bond issues, increasing taxes. Start by cleaning up your mess. Take home cars and gasoline costs, excess employees on job sites, conerences, travel must stop. The largest and best is not always a wise choice.

Posted by: dash Location: S.B. on Mar 18, 2008 at 08:55 PM
All these words. Does any body who matters ever hear them? Is there any one who can help us? I'd have to say no. But do we make our voices heard at the polls? No. You continue to elect the same old crooks. I think it's time to look into not waiting until next eletion. Recall these bums now. Get them out of office. Is there a law on the books that would allow a special election, before one is due? Could we demand a change? Is there a lawyer out there who knows what the people of South Bend and or St Joe county could do to request from the state a new election? St Joe county, South Bend included, is a joke thru out the state. Its time we had people in office who don't take our money for granted!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sharon Location: South Bend on Mar 18, 2008 at 06:38 PM
All I keep hearing is the Democrats did this wrong and that wrong but it is not a Democrat running this country. Yes Bauer and Luecke have run this town into the ground but we voted him in. Are the Republicans any better? I do not think so! Some people are never happy and just have to complain. Yes we are in trouble in St. Joe County but instead of complaining do something about it and don't vote these 2 in again. If you think the grass in greener on the other side go for it but the way the country is right now everyone is hurting. It is time for a change in South Bend so lets vote someone new in and see if it gets better.

Posted by: MTL Location: South Bend on Mar 18, 2008 at 05:47 PM
I know how the SBCSC can cut down on expenses. All kids should go to the school that they can walk to. All schools should be traditional schools-meaning that they as well as their parents must tow the line and act like human beings instead of animals. I live within walking distance of a primary center and kids that could walk to school are bussed across Portage Avenue. Get a crossing guard. I know now people are going to say-Oh the poor dears are going to have to walk in the dark and cold. Too bad, maybe if they get some exercise before they get to school, they won't get in trouble.

Posted by: Mike Location: South Bend on Mar 18, 2008 at 03:16 PM
you do not know your facts tribune Mishawaka schools are 66 million in debt Penn is 99 million in debt while south bend is 230 million in debt effective 6/30/07. This information is available on the Indiana department of education web site.!!!!

Posted by: Fred on Mar 18, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Wasn't the county going to get something like $100 million for the lease of the toll road? Did they already spend that? If so, on what?

Posted by: Jim Location: Osceola on Mar 18, 2008 at 02:01 PM
I keep asking myself WHY does these politicians want to bankrup the county? Then expect the taxpayers to bail them out. It wont change here in St Jo Co people, time to move like all our job have allready done.

Posted by: chuck on Mar 18, 2008 at 01:41 PM
And this is one of the reasons I am moving out of the county.

Posted by: Joseph Wishin Location: South Bend on Mar 18, 2008 at 01:41 PM
We are one of two counties not included in the the new tax plan, I don't like it but I have to live with it. My question is; If we have to pay more property tax than the rest of the state, why do we have to pay the extra 1% sales tax also? Why can't we be exempt from this extra tax? If two counties can be excluded from the STATE property tax plan, then two counties can be exempt from the extra STATE sales tax. Give us a break.

Posted by: none Location: south bend on Mar 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM
this has nothing whatsoever to do with party affliations. I am a county employee and I get sick and tired of everyone talking about wasteful spending, without the true facts. We employees have suffered through years of no raises while prices for everything keep going up. IF you look athe debt amount only $5 million is related to county governemnt expense. The larger amounts are school board debts. did anyone notice that the city of mishawaka's debt is higher than county government debt and the city is run by a republican. Am I happy that we are in this much debt,no I am not. Remember, when everyone keeps bashing the county, remember, people like me go to work everyday, pay taxes and try and do the right thing, we are not some fat cats sitting on our butts doing no work, we work hard with little recognition from the public. All we hear is wasteful spending, if health insurance for employees wasteful, is making a decent wage wasteful, I don't think so.

Posted by: jack benny on Mar 18, 2008 at 11:37 AM
stop all this spending of our tax money. st joe co, the school corps have done this to us. they keep throwing money at education and the results only get worse. all these elected officials need to be voted out in the next election. wait till your tax bills come out. then you'll know what to do.

Posted by: Tom Location: Waterbury CT on Mar 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I left this area to find jobs elsewhere. I lived in the area many, many years--and all that time the Democrats could only find new and faster ways to spend money and rack up debt. No wonder so many employers have left the area...leaving South Bend's residents to shoulder the burden of all this debt and higher taxes. Why did the County Engineer have a Hummer? Because she COULD! No, she didn't need it...but it was a typical example of the waste and excess associated with decades of St. Joe Democratic Machine rule. Good luck--you'll all need it as this area continues to tank...

Posted by: Nick Location: Niles on Mar 18, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Ok, who is responsible? - all the people who continue to vote back into office the same tax happy, free spending politicians.

Posted by: Dale Location: Lakeville on Mar 18, 2008 at 10:14 AM
At least we have our debt in the right place. We are spending it on schools and education. It just happened that all the school corps. are rebuilding over the same decade. If you don't upgrade the schools for a long period of time, it will cost millions to fix the problems. I consider it a proper debt and am willing to pay taxes to support the school system.

Posted by: didntgetkissedfirst Location: intherear on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:40 AM
All of this says just one thing. Our elected leaders have no clue on how to spend within a budget. They run this county and state as if using a credit card, and we the taxpayer are left to pay the bill. Such waste. In my home if I don't have the cash to get something, we save for it .. I'm moving. I can no longer stand these idiots from the top to the bottom.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:27 AM
Nick 15.7 million dollars must be pocket change to you. It is a lot of money for South Bend's (St. Joseph County) working poor! The real question is could the working poor be better off spending their money on their families, or having the politians spend it on worthless programs like Coveleski Stadium expansion?

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Hey Nick, I said who is responsible, not where did it go.

Posted by: james earl Location: lakeville on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:03 AM
quit spending nough said

Posted by: LCB on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Why haven't we heard about this before? Oh yeah, the media is totally in the tank for democrats.

Posted by: Nick Location: Niles on Mar 18, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Hey Anonumous, the article clearly states where the debt is, all but 15.7 million went to the failing public school system.

Posted by: John Location: New Carlisle on Mar 18, 2008 at 08:00 AM
People let us look at this from a different angle. Let St. Joe County be a house, the debt a mortgage. How many of you are currently, only 22% in debt on your house, meaning you have 78% equity? How many of you were never greater than 22% in debt? Until you can answer yes to those questions you have NO RIGHT to complain about the local debt amount. Government is only a reflection of society!

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 18, 2008 at 07:36 AM
This article doesn't answer the question, "Who was responsible for accumulating all this debt?"

Posted by: Eddy Location: Penn Township/SB on Mar 18, 2008 at 05:50 AM
1.34% for us in SB/Penn. Why, because PHS needs multiple gymnasiums? Mishawaka needs a new sports complex? I think we better start attending these school board meetings also. Makes one wonder, how many branches of our local government can screw us. If we ran our households like that we would be on the street!

Posted by: Bill Location: Mishawaka on Mar 18, 2008 at 05:46 AM
Looks like it is time to get these school systems under control along with the cities and the county. We can't let them put us in the poor house.

Posted by: Chuck Location: South Bend on Mar 17, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Are we not tired of these tax and spend Liberals yet?

Posted by: Nick Location: South Bend on Mar 17, 2008 at 08:34 PM
I have yet to hear one Democrat talk about reducing wastefull spending. All they talk about is how much money they spend. The fact is, St. Joseph County has a ton more debt than the what other counties have. Sen Broden states its normal. Just remember at election time when these jokers(Bauer, Broden, Luecke), to vote them out of office.

Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on Mar 17, 2008 at 08:32 PM
I would like to know how idiots like B Patrick Bauer...democrat keep getting elected...

Posted by: Bob Location: Elkhart on Mar 17, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Enjoy paying off those bonds. Seriously, how did all those bond issues get passed without any forethought? We clearly have our problems over here but at least we'll have some relief from the tax caps.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 17, 2008 at 07:20 PM
Why are the figures of the counties indebutness just coming out now from down state. What ever happened to investigative news reporting? Reporters need to learn to do more digging to inform the public of these travesties of public trust. Both the city and county goverment can best be described as a demagogue. What a disgrace, the next thing we will need is city and county goverment homeless centers, this will be a first anywhere anchored by B. Patrick Bauer and company of Steven Luecke. Now the mayor is going to put the citizens futher in debt with improvements to Joe's South Bend Silver Hawks.


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