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Posted: 6:17 PM Mar 12, 2008
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Comments made by an Indiana Congressional candidate are stirring up controversy. Last week, Tony Zirkle told a Kokomo newspaper that segregation between African Americans and other races might not be a bad idea.

On a Wednesday morning radio talk show Zirkle’s primary opponent, Luke Puckett, publically denounced those comments. WUBS is a African American radio station on South Bend’s west side.

Puckett called the comments a "travesty to the political system.”

Newscenter 16 also sat down with Tony Zirkle to get his side of the story.

If you were listening to 89.7 FM Wednesday morning, you may have heard some of Reverend William's guests on the WUBS talk show.

Republican second district congressional candidate Luke Puckett appeared on the show to condemn his opponent Tony Zirkle's remarks on segregation. “For me, it's just a shame that in 2008 when we have done so much as a country, as a Republican party… whom I stand for. To have anyone who calls themselves a Republican, to have these bigoted and racist views of any people,” says Zirkle.

But Zirkle defends his comments. He says he's not for segregation in terms of oppression or crime. Rather, he says it's something voters should consider with crime rates and out of wedlock births high among African Americans. “The segregation, when you use that word, it's a loaded term and many people think about oppressing a people and denying the right to vote. And no one is calling for that type of segregation because that was wrong and I even said that was criminal,” says Zirkle. “We could have six states that are African American, 44 states white and Hispanic, because I don't really see much of a difference between the two cultures. Let people vote and let them decide."

St. Joseph County Council President Raphael Morton also appeared on the radio show. Morton Called Zirkle's remarks "ludicrous."

“I have to say this is a ploy for media attention. Have to say that has to be a part of it," says Morton.

Zirkle tells Newscenter 16 that he's very open to speaking in diverse communities and will accept any invitation to do so.

The two candidates have not officially met. Puckett says they've only exchanged e-mails and phone calls. In light of Zirkle's recent comments, Puckett says his opponent has “no credibility” and he has no plans to debate him.

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Posted by: Miranda Location: Greensboro, NC on May 6, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Response if it’s about genetic make up...blacks don’t go postal & kill every one when they lose there job, they don’t molest there children & commit suicide when things aren’t going there way. Is this wrong of me? Yes. It is more typical for white people to do this things but that’s not to say that a black man or Chinese man etc… wouldn’t do the same thing. My point it’s not about the color of your skin its how you are raised. Don’t get angry with this guy. My quote “ Every one is entitled to an opinion;rather you agree is a matter of opinion.” If we did separate the races, maybe the world would realize just how much we need each other;if only for amusement...Seriously each and every race brings something to the table, something unique. If we didn't have the Asian race, everythng in your house would disappear.

Posted by: Miranda Location: Greensboro,NC on May 6, 2008 at 01:58 PM
I respect his honesty but offended by his suggestion. I hate to hear blacks say the “the white man did…” b/c that’s bull, we all have the same rights, and the GOV. owes you NOTHING (no more than they owe a white man) we are all getting screwed! I think criminal activity is all based on where you grew up & how u were raised. I’m black & feel more comfortable around white people b/c that’s who I grew up around. Does this make me raciest…NO? I think if all people realized at this point in the world it’s not about being black, white, or any other race, it’s about being an American. We know we are different accept it & move on. Maybe we all should leave & let the Indians have back there land.

Posted by: Bob Location: USA on Apr 23, 2008 at 04:13 PM
No, this moron is not a racist, never never...lol... http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532 Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!!!!

Posted by: Jerry Location: South Bend on Mar 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Look Rob of Elkhart and others alike in today's news 3 white individuals arrested for vandalizing and 1 white father arrested for child neglect and drug charges. Dumb runs through all races. Duh

Posted by: Me Location: Goshen on Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Janae from SB--well said!!! I have been saying the same thing for years!!! I don't care if you are black or white or purple or green, raise your kids and get a job!!! My husband says I am "classist". If being "classist" means expecting people to be accountalbe for themselves and their kids, then I am the Queen of Classist!!!

Posted by: Janae Location: SB on Mar 13, 2008 at 07:29 PM
While I think Zirkle's proposal is extreme, to say the least, he certainly brings up something that has made us all think. Most of us practice some form of "segregation" in our lives, in varying degrees. In Gods Eyes has it right about school lunch rooms and look around in various neighborhoods. People spend time where they feel comfortable and safe. It's just human nature and we don't always have to label that racism. If I had to admit to a prejudice, I would have to say that I have one against people who are lazy and won't work or discipline/raise their children and expect a free ride from the government via my tax dollars. And if you call me a racist for this comment, look in the mirror because you'd be putting your words in my mouth. (I said NOTHING about color...These types of people come in all colors!!)

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Mar 13, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Greg, don't be such a scared little puppy. Your an embarrasement to the white race. Go watch Oprah and cry about how bad the black's have it, and let us not forget how they pull the "race card" out every time something don't work out for them.

Posted by: Greg on Mar 13, 2008 at 04:13 PM
What an idiot, along with all of the people who actually agree with him in the posts below. The real problem here is white people. White people were jerks long before any of us were born. And now many of you think you know everything... Guess what? You don't know your a** from a hole in the ground. By the way, I happen to be white...

Posted by: Yes to Zirkle on Mar 13, 2008 at 03:49 PM
He has my vote. Many people believe this but will not say it. The stats against african americans show that there are genertic issues that about a year ago a scientist was critized for. Although the facts seem to point to genetic issues when you have 80% born out of wedlock or 50% of black males between the ages of 18-25 in the criminal justice system.

Posted by: Pen Location: IN on Mar 13, 2008 at 02:56 PM
This is why we need to watch who we put into any political office. I am glad he spoke his mind, even if it is the worse thing he could for his career. We don't need to step back in time. We need to go forward. We are to treat each other with respect even when we disagree with how they live. Do you breathe? So do they? Guess what it's all the same air. It circulates all over the world.

Posted by: suzie Location: indiana on Mar 13, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Seriously? What in the world was he smoking? idiot.

Posted by: Ps. on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM
The consent decree has also been turned over at the supreme court level as well. South Bend needs to get past it. Whites are becoming a minority. I challenge any lawyer willing to take on the SB schools and the decree. You would benifit our schools.

Posted by: In God's Eyes on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Hmm, if you go into a school lunch room it is segragated. Whites sit with white, black with black and hispanics with hispanics.Maybe there wouldn't be so much trouble in schools.Segragating by social economics is a key and then by race. I don't mean taking rights away from any people. People migle with their own kind and feel safe to learn as well. You want fair treatment but alot of folks still use race as a playing card. Until those in the community stands up and make all races take accountablity for thier actions it won't change. God has created us all as humans. In a childs eyes there are no differences until someone plants that seed.

Posted by: Dustin Location: Mishawaka on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM
The only thing more disturbing than Zirkle's comments are those by people here who agree with him. People, there is a big difference between intelligently discussing social problems in the black community and advocating the forced segregation of blacks and whites. Zirkle's comments are not thought provoking, they are bizarre.

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Bill, you are right. It seems today that white americans owe the black race. WE DON'T, so get over it, and if it affects you that badly then MOVE AWAY. If you watch TV shows, you can see this plain as day how white people are talked about with no problem, but oh boy - if you say anything bad about a black person you better get ready. The racist remark is used way too often, and in today's world this should actually be used by the white people due to the way this has turned.

Posted by: Herb Location: South Bend on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I can't believe I went to him for legal advice and I'm gratefully that he did not take my case. African Americans are not the only people filling up the jail cells in America. Maybe, his kind should be put on a very small spot nowhere and have them deal with themselves only. There they can go back to the stone ages and finally do things for themselves.

Posted by: Homer Simpson Location: Mishawaka on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Congrads Tony for committing political suicide with your idiotic comments. So typical with the republican party. Guys like you are so out of touch with the average american people.Good luck in the private sector you self-righteous moron.

Posted by: Jessica Location: Plymouth on Mar 13, 2008 at 11:04 AM
I think this guy has courage to publicly state that 80% of African-Americans are born out of wedlock and 50% of black men 18-25 are in the criminal justice system. At least this guy cares about black people enough to start a debate. That's not racist.

Posted by: Bill is right Location: South Bend on Mar 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Bill is correct. We are all Americans. I am tired of African-American and Asian American. Are you a US citizen or not? The blacks need to get over slavery. It ended over 150 years ago. Blacks were given rights during the Civil Rights movement. I am tired of the reverse discrimination that is happening because of the past. Look at our city government. We have a black police and fire chief. If you are a minority you have more advantages for advancement in city government. If they want to be called African Americans then we should be segretated.

Posted by: Pat Location: shenandoah on Mar 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM
First the whining about progress(Daylight savings time), and now this. Indiana is living in 1908. Tony Zirkle is not the heir apparent to David Duke. Where is your white sheet and hat, Mr. Duke(Zirkle)? D.C. Stephenson would be proud. Hey Tony, move to Marion, where they still think fondly of lynching innocent men who were black. Racist.

Posted by: sam Location: south bend on Mar 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM
I agree, this is the first honest statement a candidate has made. Many people think this way but are a afraid to speak. I remember life before 1964 and it was OK with me.

Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on Mar 13, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I agree 100% with Mr.Zirkle...It would cause a lot less problems. Until Blacks want to be Americans and get over slavery that happened hundreds of years ago we will never be as one...the african part has to go...we're all Americans.

Posted by: Jim Location: Mishawaka on Mar 13, 2008 at 08:09 AM
This is not a ploy. He actually thinks he is right and it is a good idea. This is not about attention. Dont forget, he is the same one who proposed that the US,Canada and Mexico share the same dollar. Yes he is truly Nutso

Posted by: Anon Location: South Bend on Mar 13, 2008 at 06:11 AM
This just goes to show you that you don't have to have common sense to be a lawyer.

Posted by: Dustin Location: Mishawaka on Mar 13, 2008 at 01:22 AM
Tony, Tony, Tony... First, I do not believe that this is a publicity stunt. Who would want this kind of publicity? Second, I think Tony Zirkle honestly believes what he is saying. Puckett really lucked out. His main primary opponent, one who got 30% against Chris Chocola, gave him the high road and an easy primary win.

Posted by: Greg on Mar 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Is Zirkle on drugs?

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Mar 12, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Zirkle has got my vote!

Posted by: RICK on Mar 12, 2008 at 08:36 PM
fox news hasn't called and offered zirkle a job yet?

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 12, 2008 at 07:13 PM
Sadly I think there are a lot of people like Zirkle that harbor racist thoughts. He had the misfortune to be dumb enough to reveal his thoughts. Ignore him and those like him.

Posted by: No to Zirkle Location: SB on Mar 12, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Is this guy serious?

Posted by: Mike Location: South bend on Mar 12, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Zirkle will never see a political seat anywhere. The guy is, well, special to say the least. He is on his own planet and to this day I wonder why he ever tries to win a public office. He is not the brightest star in the sky. Tony do everyone a favor and keep your day job. You have a hard enough time doing that properly. Leave the politics to the big boys.

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