Excessive Force and Police Arrests
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Posted: 2:15 PM Sep 16, 2007
Last Updated: 2:07 PM Feb 19, 2008
Reporter: Stephanie Stang
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Recently the use of excessive force during police arrests has been a hot topic in the news.

 
Do you think the police went too far with their use of force in David Snyder's arrest?
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I can't tell
 

It is an issue police officers face everyday when making arrests.

On Friday Roseland town council member David Snyder was kicked out of the town council meeting by council president Charley Shields.

A physical incident then broke out while Snyder was being escorted out of the meeting by Roseland Police Marshal Jack Tiller.

Since Snyder's arrest, hundreds of comments have been posted on our website, many of which question how much force was really needed to arrest the council member.

On a national scale protests against campus police erupted at the University Of Florida.

A student was tasered while asking a question at a John Kerry speech.

Many police agencies follow a force continuum policy when dealing with aggressive suspects. It basically means the office will use one more degree of force than the suspect when trying to arrest them.

"The goal is to get your suspect in a pair handcuffs subdued so he or she does not destroy the squad car… so he or she is not capable or hurting someone else. It is a judgment call on whether you have accomplished that goal," says Capt. Phil Trent with South Bend Police.

No word yet on whether Jack Tiller is being investigated.

He is still on active duty at Roseland's police department.

Meanwhile David Snyder will be in court for two misdemeanor charges on October Fourth.

Roseland town council president Charlie Shields kicks council member David Snyder out of Friday\'s budget meeting. Snyder was kicked out after arguing how long he was given to speak.
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Posted by: George Anthony Location: Canada on May 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM
There is much footage I've seen of U.S. citizenry and officials losing their grip on basic gentle behavior and civility. It seems to me the cause Freedom and Justice sometimes falls into the hands of people lacking the intelligence to be good. This is not a place I would want to live in where there are meat-heads on BOTH sides of the law.

Posted by: Eric Williams Location: nc on May 4, 2009 at 01:12 AM
Clearly, the man did not deserve the abuse he suffered at the hands of the officers. I'm not sure...were they serving or protecting in this video. Police officers have a difficult job, of that there is no question. However, in this case they made there job harder than it had to be, and in the process made themselves look very bad. The officer(s) involved in this should be dismissed from the force. If they would do this to a council member, what would they do to an average citizen when there are no cameras around.

Posted by: diane Location: mi on Mar 16, 2009 at 07:41 AM
yeah the police went to far , and there never seems to be any concequces either for them. i don't think escorting a person out should mean burtality!! no one deserves that after all aren't everyday people arrested for the same thing !!!

Posted by: Jim Location: SB on Dec 21, 2008 at 01:28 PM
Snyder is a goofball oppurtunist who deserves any knocking around he got. The bandaging on his head is his idea to show how much he was "hurt". I'm sick of him and his wife. Can't the state boot them out? I wish they could.

Posted by: jaw Location: sb in on Nov 25, 2008 at 08:05 AM
Some police are doing their job and some are excerciseimg their FORCE one person gives a group a bad name. I thnink more punishment needs to be taken when they break the law and excessive force should be against the law. Its truly amazing what things have been done within the force,maybe that why its called the police FORCE!! To serve and protect?? Yeah I wonder.. How much protection have you recieved and have you ever been served. Respone times are horrible and usually your better off without the shaddy man! Sorry to you few good men and women who are trying but not hard enough if you let your pack run that way. Stand up for the people you were one of us before you became the FORCE!!

Posted by: You can tell Location: he's an idiot on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:16 PM
He needs to be knocked sillier than he already is. He is what we used to call an opportunist. Always looking to get over in any way they can. The country is full of people like him.

Posted by: Melissa Dawn Location: Kennewick WA 99337 on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM
South Bend IN is ugly! I grew up there when it wasn't so bad and you could go to areas that where nicer. Now its just ugly and you would think where Notre Dame is would be beautiful. I have never been so disappointed. The police are rude and please don't ask questions they will scream at you or make you feel badly for asking a question. So I will never go back unless someone dies in the family.

Posted by: JoyLeaf Location: Arizona on Jul 30, 2008 at 05:31 PM
I watched the video several times, including frame by frame and paying attention to the reflection in the window/door. No matter how verbally offensive Tiller found being called a Bully he was the only one to get physical. Of course they say there are only two witness, and ignore what can be plainly seen in the video and knowing about the Blue Wall don't bother with the cop who followed them through the door. Hey Jack! You are a Bore, a Bully, and an Ignoramus. When you have had some one read that to you and explain what it means you gonna beat me up too? After all I'm only 5'2" and female, you should be able to handle it. HA HA.

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 21, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Excessive force? I don't think they used ENOUGH force.

Posted by: human Location: earth on Jul 14, 2008 at 05:40 PM
a citizenry will only BE policed as much as THE CITIZENRY will ALLOW ITSELF to BE policed.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
if I didnt see it I wouldnt believe it. he is an american citizen. the cop was out of order.

Posted by: Sue Roseland Location: South Bend on May 5, 2008 at 01:28 AM
The video is evidence, but the reputation of Roseland police speaks for itself. The officer's reputation is well known, and he had absolutly no justification for this brutal assault on a AMERICAN Citizen. Where is the STATE POLICE in this matter? Do you think local authorities would arrest one of their own? Why was this incedent not investigated immediatly by the state police in light of the evidence that is so apparently proof of police brutality.

Posted by: johndoe Location: callif on Apr 18, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Did this Nazi cop get arrested or are they giving him a Patriot Act award.

Posted by: wayne Location: mich on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM
if we keep tuning our heeds the other way the polce will get more power to do what they want yes i seen the police do worst

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Elkhart on Apr 8, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Michiana Bird Society got a hit on February 6, 2008 about the disrptuion of meetings by one member. The yfixed the problem, that member was expeslled from the club by a 90% vote of the membership when it only required a simple majority. The meetings will be fun, eductional and a joy to come to now that the problem has been eradicated.

Posted by: J Location: Cleveland, OH on Mar 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I've read thru quite of few of the previous posts...ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDIN" ME? COME ON ALREADY. This is just inexcusable behavior for the entire area. Michiana in general seems to have a fog over thier eyes, cant seem to see the real issues here and what needs to be done about it. The snyders are not the problem here. I could really care less what the snyders personal finances are. The issue is that a cop went too far and it was uncalled for! especially in a town council meeting! That isnt professional, any way you look at it.WAKE UP! Again, South Bend...2nd largest city in Indiana...acting as if thier only a population of 200. You have many voices...USE THEM!

Posted by: Dwayne Location: south bend on Mar 19, 2008 at 08:01 PM
someone said the folks ordered david snider out and would not let him speak. well it seems that i had seen time and time again when THE SNIDERS did the very same thing .the only diffrence was david snider was not wanting to leave with out causeing problems . the folks they kicked out left with out a problem.david new just what he was doing and was hopeing to sue so he could pay off his child sapport and live well .he more than likely did'nt want to listen to his wife complainig about loseing everything

Posted by: Tom V Location: Niles on Mar 17, 2008 at 08:36 AM
I have never seen anything so unprofessional in my whole life . When I say that I mean the board members and the big mouth lady in the back ground yelling about getting even because of her dad . It is so obvious that this guy is so far under there skin that he has turned them all into a bunch of fools so if you can not handle people questioning you , quit the board . You have all made Roseland look like a joke . And for that bald headed bully cop you are a good example of what a BAD cop is and I only pray you are held responsible for your actions . Fire him and sue him , he is a complete idiot who did nothing right . Good luck Roseland because with the old bunch of fools I see on your board , its going to be a good long time before you get something done there .

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 4, 2008 at 05:46 PM
ithink the feds should do a intense investigation in snyderland,ooops i mean roseland on the snyders they would probably dig up alot on these two,like where did all of the town money go?having these two on the council was like putting a snake in a mouse cage

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 4, 2008 at 05:41 PM
the snyders should have been removed from the council imediatly after their relationship was known.Then this would have never been a problem.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 23, 2008 at 01:41 PM
rumor has it that jack tiller is now working for Ted Penn in a power washing business. funny how those two have stayed close together....

Posted by: Chris Location: Los Angeles on Feb 22, 2008 at 04:55 AM
Wow - look at these scum lie about what happened even though the video totally contradicts their testimony! This Ted Penn clown says he saw David attack the cop, while the cop himself claims he was hit!! Lying scum - thank God the video captured it otherwise their false testimony would have convicted David. This is criminal behavior, especially by the cop - he should be fired, arrested, and sued!!!

Posted by: Kassie Location: Indianapolis on Feb 20, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I am ashamed to be a hoosier.. If you look closely at the reflection on the glass as he's going out, you can see the punk police officer push him to the ground. I guess he didn't like being called a bully. if it's walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck... This officer should be fired, the guy that was beat should be rich...He already cost them 50,000 Well Roseland starting counting

Posted by: Anonymous Location: near Michigan on Feb 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Duh Kathy Charlie Shields was the one using profanity, interupting a fellow council member, then pulled a Hitler because Snyder was right. That is not Robert Rules of Order. Sounds like you would fit into Roseland just fine, apply right away to join Rev Ted & Rosemary Penn's church and you too can "prune the vine" of people who should not be allowed to be where you don't want them.

Posted by: kathy Location: South Bend on Feb 6, 2008 at 02:19 PM
You think Roseland town council meetings get crazy, you should go to a Michiana Bird Society meeting this Sunday. They have one member who continuously disrupts their meetings, an has been doing so for years! The club's board is afraid to kick the disruptive person out of the meetings, so the rest of the club just suffers thru it! More power to Mr. Shields, throw the disruptive bums OUT!

Posted by: VE Location: Illinois on Feb 3, 2008 at 12:18 AM
A law enforcement officer should NEVER strike ANYONE, certainly not when the person is on the ground and restrained! Though not totally clear what happened, it looked like Tiller slammed Snyder through the door to the ground and started beating Snyder without provocation. Marshall Tiller should be stripped of his badge. If this man is not stripped of his badge, then the community (and State) openly disgraces everything the badge stands for.

Posted by: Hannu Location: finland on Jan 9, 2008 at 04:26 AM
I`m SO happy we dont have this kind of super idiot cops here in Finland! This guy is a BIG JOKE!!

Posted by: Bilderbooger Location: Police State Hoosierland on Jan 5, 2008 at 03:48 PM
This is a clear case of police brutality. No matter what the locals opinion of Mr. Snyder are, or the history of Mr. Snyder's actions during council meetings, the use of force is never justified. The officer involved should face state Felony assault charges, as well as federal violation of civil rights charges under the color of law. As for the others, they should be fired from their positions, and the Mayor and Council Members should be barred from ever holding public office.

Posted by: Robert Location: Tennessee on Jan 4, 2008 at 05:18 PM
So what if anything has happened to Jack 'Hammer" tiller for his beating of snyder? the last i heard it was trying to be swept under the rug by the good-ole-boy system of justice they got in place there in roseland. Was anything ever done to tiller or did he get off scott free for his unlawful actions?

A grand jury had the case and reported that they did not find enough evidence for any charges. WNDU covered the story in early December. -WNDU.com


Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 30, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Check out David Snyder's press release "grand jury investgation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGDPcYsGBo8

Posted by: Nick Location: North Vernon, IN on Dec 29, 2007 at 11:58 AM
A law enforcement officer should NEVER strike ANYONE for ANY reason, especially when the person is on the ground and restrained! Town Marshall Jack Tiller should be stripped of his badge and NEVER allowed to 'serve' the public again. After all his position is one to 'serve and protect' the public. The footage does not give a clear inclination as to what may occurred outside of the public's eyes. However, that does NOT constitute any reasoning for the Marshall to strike a man that's all ready on the ground...PERIOD! If this man is not stripped of his badge, then the community (and State) openly disgraces everything the badge stands for.

Posted by: cb Location: granger on Dec 19, 2007 at 07:18 PM
everyone got there moment of Fame..now grow up and move on.what are you all teaching OUr kids..to act like idiots! there are kids sick and dying.come on people..penn let it go!synders ,if you want attention ,you got it,go away..PLEASE

Posted by: Scared Location: By Police on Nov 30, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Way to down play what happened in this story. Sounds like nothing happen when in fact the offier assualted Snyder. It sickens me to see this town dealing with this in such a poor manner. Defending the actions of the obviously in the wrong officer. Making up stories that make you look worse because the video says otherwise. Down playing the seriousness of the events. Defering this until Dec so everyone would have forgotten. The world outside Roseland sees this for what it is, it is only Roseland that is saying "I didn't see anything wrong". Yes police like to use thier taser when they shouldn't. This story fails to mention the kid in Flodia at the Kerry speech was tased after he was in cuffs. Good thing Tiller doesn't have one.

Posted by: roy Location: michigan on Nov 17, 2007 at 06:24 PM
time to clean out these corupt police stations these guys should be charged with assault. and if city officials cannot let people state their opinions at their meetings than they need voted out.

Posted by: robert Location: new zealand on Nov 9, 2007 at 01:36 AM
i am a new zealander living in the united states for the next year and never in my life have i ever seen such disgusting and atrocious behaviour by any law enforcing officer, in new zealand we have no such problems with police brutality and therefore the new zealand citizens have no reason to rebel against the law, this event is not only a disgrace to this small area, to this officer but also to the whle of the corrupt government and leading authorities

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Roseland on Nov 4, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Tiller's actions are a disgrace to his family and Roseland. They are his fault not the Snyders. What a joke of a comment. You are part of the problem.

Posted by: Someone Location: Somewhere on Nov 1, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Roseland has had problems with a corrupt "government" for years even before the Snyders. Dorothy has thrown many people out of those meetings with police force previously. I do know that these comments are trying to destroy a man who worked almost for free for many months. He has a family and children and these comments are being made without any thought to someone who does care for his kids and family.

Posted by: David Location: Texas on Oct 20, 2007 at 01:10 AM
Yee-haw!! Come'on over to Roseland, where we backward folk use the town marshal to beat people. Instead of talkin and reasonin, we watch marshal punch 'em in the head and yell "yeah! get'em!" What a sick look at Amerika

Posted by: steve Location: Arizona on Oct 19, 2007 at 06:26 AM
This has nothing to do with the troops in Iraq. I don't care who this man is, he did not deserve this abuse from that police officer.

Posted by: Steve Location: Denver on Oct 17, 2007 at 05:36 PM
I want to thank the city of Roseland, Indiana for an EXCELLENT example of what kind of scum we are hiring now to do "police work." Perhaps the SHAME and EMBARRASSMENT will sting the good folks of Roseland enough to effect the entire national mindset of this new attack dog mentality, that seems to permeate this new breed of Pit bull law enforcement. Thanks again Roseland!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 14, 2007 at 11:08 AM
This is factual information on how people are threatened in Roseland Indiana with council majority Ted Penn and Charlie Shields this was taken on February 22, 2006: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVGqaYH9w0

Posted by: DEBBY FOX Location: CALIFORNIA on Oct 14, 2007 at 05:04 AM
I found out through extensive research that it is legal for police to recketeer in Los Angeles. Their crimes are hidden and rewarded. I also found out that the United Nations has a task force collecting information on police abuse. Tell all your friends that no matter what the abuse , contact the police crimes division at the United Nations. Also, tell all your friends to vote in a citizen review board in every town in America. I bet you wouldn't be seeing rogue cops. The citizen review board has investigative powers, as well as the power to arrest. The citizen review board takes police corruption seriously. It's ashame that our police departments hire sadists.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Roseland on Oct 13, 2007 at 12:30 PM
David Snyder was born in Roseland, his father was born in Roseland and his grandfather was also on the Roseland Town Council. A few bad eggs which you see on the video have used the media with lies and half truths to distort what has been happening in Roseland for years. "Hate the Snyders" is what they have been pushing, and sadly people were willing to buy it. Now, the brutality of this video is undeniable. The world sees who is in the wrong and who are the nasty people and the liars. Take stock Niles, this could happen in your town. It could happen in any town. If there is a small group of felons and hate preachers/ugly mob, it can and will happen ANYWHERE to ANYBODY. David Snyder was attacked by Jack Tiller while lawfully doing Roseland town business. If you think this is OK, then you are part of the problem in America today. This ugly mob is trying to bully those who will stand up to them. Do you support this? If yes, turn in your American flag, you don't deserve it.

Posted by: Tamara Location: Texas on Oct 11, 2007 at 09:33 AM
What was Mr. Snyder charger with? I thought that the job of police was to serve and protect society, not decide who they want to get and then make it their goal to get them into handcuffs and into the car(by any means possible). There are many situations where an arrest is not necessary, and the officer should be there to resolve any problems, not arrest. Personally, if I were there, I would not have felt threatened by Mr. Snyder, nor would I have requested that he be arrested.

Posted by: martha Location: michigan on Oct 8, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Ted Penn should have liar tattoed on his forehead. CLearly the police officer was the aggressor. It is obvious in the videotape. And who was the wench yelping for the cop to get him? Is this a town counsel of animals or what? Subhumans have control at the town hall. It certainly appears that there is some form of dictitorial government in Roseland--typical of small town dictators in government. They run the show and if you dont like it you are in for it. Roseland will not be a vacation destination of mine. NO THANKS

Posted by: Al Location: Washington on Oct 8, 2007 at 04:46 AM
I guess LAWS are optional in this town. Since when did "he deserved it" justify a police beating. What next, a good ol" Roseland style lynch mob?

Posted by: Erik Location: Oklahoma on Oct 7, 2007 at 04:41 PM
Every cop that acts in this manner should be lined up, beaten,and shot. The police think they are above everyone else. I alomost had a cop run me over the other day for just trying to ask a question he didn't want me to ask. Everyone should look into cop watch and join. Start making these guys answer for their actions. Ice T said it best-

Posted by: Robert Location: Oklahoma on Oct 7, 2007 at 03:02 PM
Marshall Tiller would have been immediately fired, if I had been on that council. Here in Oklahoma, I serve as a City Councilman. That cop would be without pay and/or pension if I had my way about it. You do NOT treat a member of Council as a criminal. You do NOT pummel them about the head, and expect people to believe you are doing your job. Not even close. I believe this Pit-bull mentality of police is very dangerous for the public, and maybe if they grew some hair instead of looking like the cops on The Shield, and start acting like PEACE OFFICERS instead of ENFORCERS, then maybe the public could trust them again. Also, the council needs to act like grownups. You DO NOT stand up and point your finger like a little spoiled child and demand someone to leave. There are rules in place, unfortunately, no one wants to believe it, because it favors Mr. Snyder, but the City Charter and Robert's rules govern how to conduct meetings not Mr. Teapot pointing his finger, not getting hisway

Posted by: Linda Location: Gush on Oct 7, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Isn't it the job of the police to deescalate potential violent situations? The man was video taped peacefully walking out without protest SO WHATS THE PROBLEM? Ahhhhhhh a VERBAL INSULT! It looks like Mr. David Synder uttered a nasty word or two (tisk tisk tisk) that caused the police officer to violently throw him to the ground and punch him the face several times. From what i know that's against the law but with the whole Patriot Act thingy in place i could be wrong.

Posted by: jonathan scobie Location: arizona on Oct 6, 2007 at 05:59 AM
The constitution is the agreement between the people and gov. The police dont rule over the people. Time and time again gov has violated its agreement with the people. Why hasnt the sorry police officer been arrested? A citizen has the right to resist any unlawful arrest. This cop here things he has dominate powers like in a fascist dictatorship.

Posted by: Cletus Location: HUMBLE on Oct 4, 2007 at 05:08 PM
Simply Criminal. The officer committed a crime! There are some serious mental deficiencies in that town. And, a town police force of four? Four officers??? Thats only two more officers than the Andy Griffith Show. Dissolve the police force, arrest that officer and move on. Moonshine, banjos and fancy nights on the town at the Dairy Queen. Roseland: City of the Future.

Posted by: D. Thomas Location: Oregon on Oct 3, 2007 at 02:12 PM
He needs to be stripped of his badge, and charged with assault & battery. Police State America. Protect yourselves and buy a video camera.

Posted by: billy Location: down to earth on Oct 2, 2007 at 02:29 PM
What a coward that Jack Tiller must be to hide behind his badge. Jack Tiller you are a criminal and nothing can change that. I hope you don't ever have kids.

Posted by: Joe Location: Miami on Oct 2, 2007 at 01:19 AM
How could the councilman have "gotten a punch" in on the cop if the councilman was holding a video camera tri-pod in one hand and a stack of papers in the other hand. The video tripod and papers were later picked up outside the courthouse, indicating that the councilman was still holding them when he was shoved through the door. That means he didn't hit the cop. Clearly the fascist stormtrooper is lying to save his job. He should be fired, of course. AND thrown in jail, of course.

Posted by: Jason Location: Alaska on Oct 1, 2007 at 09:34 PM
Apparently, he was in the right. The statute he refered to said he was. This is police brutality and goes to show that America is becoming a police state.

Posted by: Teri B Location: Minnesota on Oct 1, 2007 at 11:57 AM
What appeared to me is Jack shoved him through the door, of course the natural reaction would be to turn around, both hands were full, how could he punch him? This was bull...our police act like big tough guys. And...a council member...even if he WAS in the wrong, had only to be escorted from the meeting... He's an elected official and has just as much right as any of the others!!!

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Posted by: Sarah Location: Missouri on Oct 1, 2007 at 01:24 AM
Wow, I feel sorry for the residents of this town.. It looks like a bunch of white trash thugs rule this place. Why is that lady saying that police brutality was vindication for her father? There are some serious sickos in this world and it sounds like the elected officials of this town are the worst. Yuck, I hope I never have to deal with uncivilized people like this. Previous poster was right, Hitler would have been proud... Good luck Mr. Snyder. I hope you win millions and are able to move away from such a scummy town.

Posted by: Ron Location: Waynesboro Pa on Sep 30, 2007 at 02:47 PM
After viewing the video countless times and focusing on the glass in the hallway ..there is no indication Snyder resisted as he was being pushed out the door ...sorry Tiller ...looks like you are so busted as a brutal cop and a liar ..congrats to proving that to the rest of the world

Posted by: Robo Location: Cop on Sep 30, 2007 at 04:39 AM
They are so busted! He was clearly leaving under his own freewill. Nothing was said about why he was under arrest. I would like to know why he was arrested.

Posted by: BadLarry Location: Boston on Sep 29, 2007 at 11:50 PM
When police are assaulted or killed by citizens the penalty is usually double to set an example. When police act badly, they should get prosecuted the same way for not setting a good example. And the stuff about "suspended with pay" is nothing more than a reward for their brutality. When the people get fed up, badges will be targets.

Posted by: Chuck Location: North Vernon, IN on Sep 29, 2007 at 10:12 PM
Doesn`t that ignorant cop realize that he has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, and that what he did here violates that oath? Just another fat moron in a position of authority, and obviously abusing it. Too many of them are on a power trip, and it needs to be stopped.

Posted by: Mark Location: Minneapolis on Sep 29, 2007 at 01:13 PM
I can't believe how big he's swinging on that defenseless guy. Complete goon. People are behind him for needlessly injuring another human being?

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 29, 2007 at 12:01 PM
so thats resisting arrest?

Posted by: Tim Location: Michigan on Sep 29, 2007 at 03:33 AM
You can totally tell that Ted and Jack are lying. This is a horrible situation. David should sue the city for MILLIONS and get that Ted out of office and the police force replaced.

Posted by: Eric Joseph Location: Ellensburg WA` on Sep 29, 2007 at 03:21 AM
3 charges need to be filed against the marshal, obstruction of justice for lying on camera. Assault, the badge doesn't give you the authority to break the law. At the moment you break the law, officer you become garden variety criminal. Official abuse of authority, or violation of the oath of office. Assault, because the force continuum argument is nonsense, he may have been peeved, but he was not being aggressive, he picked up his camera and left. I'm not sure that a mayor has the authority to remove a council member under those circumstances. He's elected too. God Help us, if this attitude toward professional responsibility and elected office, as well as police abuse becomes acceptable.

Posted by: Kuerno on Sep 28, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Is it time to water the Liberty Tree?

Posted by: Rick Location: East Coaster on Sep 28, 2007 at 06:20 PM
Looks like a clear case of this policeman letting his emotions get the best of him. Why did the other policeman stand there and allow the other one to get some vindictive punches in, before he tried to let him know that was enough? The policeman that cuffed him didn't even stay there long enough to complete the arrest. Yep, he screwed up big time!

Posted by: Frmr MassCop Location: Mass on Sep 27, 2007 at 07:48 AM
To LMAO...If you really need to know I am retired police and now work in the corporate world...Do you know what "corporate" means or do I have to explain it to you? Your defense of this police stuff is showing your town's true colors. I invite Mr. Tiller, the Chief and Mr. Penn to try their games in my neck of the woods. I can guarantee a Boston beating based on principle alone. After all, Roseland is all for "he deserved it attitudes".

Posted by: awake Location: Idaho on Sep 27, 2007 at 05:04 AM
Viewing this objectively, as one must, the obvious victim in this case is charged as a criminal while the perpetrator is still at large. Cut and dry. It happens in my state all the time. Except in my state sometimes "peace officers" get away with murder, literally. Sometimes they even get a PAID suspension for it. Wake up people, this is not about the jerk in the room, it's about citizens being abused by their "protectors" all over the world.

Posted by: Simply Amazed Location: Michigan on Sep 26, 2007 at 10:18 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people? He deserved to get beat down by the police? Maybe he's not the best guy, but try reversing it. What if it was your wife or husband getting beat on like that. Makes me glad I don't live in a backwards town like yours.

Posted by: DEBBY Location: SOUTH BEND on Sep 26, 2007 at 09:46 PM
IF YOU DIDN'T DO SOMETHING WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE THE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE TO TREAT YOU LIKE THAT. SNYDER ASKED FOR IT SO HE GOT IT

Posted by: Mr. Location: x on Sep 26, 2007 at 09:31 PM
We're all animals but as grown adults we must separate the good from bad. In my impression of the situation it's "hillbilly" vs. failed businessman. The guy owes 100,000 in support, but I have a feeling his kids live very well. Child support is set up for those whose parents are complete garbage and refuse to take care of things when they are neccesary. I think a real dateline needs to be done on the whole thing. And God forgive the cop. It's gotta be the worst job ever. I'm sure he's just trying to get by like everyone else. Vicims and the public tend to empathize in these cases when there should be only room for the truth. The truth sets all free.

Posted by: LMAO Location: I used to be a COP on Sep 26, 2007 at 08:46 PM
I just love all of the commments from the "I used to be a cop" it's very commical so why aren't they still cops? Quick to judge someone else, who judged you? Or just couldn't handle the job!

Posted by: 3rdPartyRep Location: Walkerton, In on Sep 26, 2007 at 06:57 PM
Again, Roselanders and people from surrounding areas that read the paper, your help has arrived. You still think this is personal. In this case its all About the Constitution. If you are suffering in blaming, why not try to upgrade a compromise. This video shows constitutional violations. Don't matter beyond that, if it were you, on tape, being violated, these opinions would be there. And with the attitude Snyder is this or that, makes it clear your opinionated selfishly. Sorry, it's against the LAW to do this.

Posted by: Don Location: Missouri on Sep 26, 2007 at 05:59 PM
It's a good thing Officer Fife...I mean Tiller, couldn't find his bullet, or Snyder would be dead. Officer Tiller needs to be in a cage. Why were the other officers standing there not trying to stop an obvious assualt. Shame on you all. Hitler would have been proud.

Posted by: Your Neighbor Location: USA on Sep 26, 2007 at 05:59 PM
That cop should be a bouncer at a strip joint!

Posted by: Bruce Location: Lakeville on Sep 26, 2007 at 12:01 PM
It was quite obvious that Officer Tiller assaulted this individual with no probable cause. 1. Mr. Snyder was being escorted from the meeting not under arrest. 2. Mr. Snyder never made an attempt to assault officer Tiller. Your camera man caught the image of Tiller pushing Mr. Snyder through the outside doors in the window. 3. Ted Pen is obviously lieing because Mr. Snyder was not placed in handcuffs until Officer Tiller was done pounding on Mr. Snyder while he was on the ground.

Posted by: Sam Location: Tennessee on Sep 26, 2007 at 09:48 AM
1. Snyder had a legal duty to attend the meeting and speak up. Apparently the man running the meeting can make up rules as he goes and throw out any person who dissents. 2. Snyder was not under arrest but only asked to leave. The man running the meeting only had to point his finger to get the police. Snyder complied with the request that he leave and he had the right to gather his stuff. He did not surrender his right to free speech. 3. Snyder may have been abusive in the past, but Roseland needs to respect the rule of law. By law, his political power had diminished. That didn't give the new boss the right to do whatever he wanted. 4. What the world clearly sees is childish thuggery by the ruling power of Roseland. Maybe that is why Snyder fought these people so hard. I don't know but I do know abuse of power when I see it. So don't give us the "He started it first" kindergarten response as it only makes the Anti-Snyder forces look more childish.

Posted by: jessie Location: Jones on Sep 26, 2007 at 02:09 AM
that bald cop needs a beat down of his own. it is clear he has destructive psychological tendencies and is unfit to be a public servant, let alone a man with a gun. he probably hates his father, or is a very jealous person. either way, the victim was not the aggressor, nor was he hostile. he was smiling.

Posted by: johnny simmons Location: enoree sc on Sep 26, 2007 at 12:17 AM
i was a police officer and we had officers like mr tillman and we called them above the law

Posted by: sven Location: Elkhart on Sep 25, 2007 at 08:47 PM
Comments from the out of towners are funny. They have no idea of what they speak, when concerning the cesspool of Roseland. Snyder is an obnoxious jerk of huge proportion. He merely got the interest up front on that one.

Posted by: michael Location: elwood on Sep 25, 2007 at 01:45 PM
legislative survey asked to allow schools to be exempt from sales tax on textbooks. all school districts have "corporation" on end of name. IF they were public schools theyed qualify as an NPO and no sales tax, but its obvious the schools are corporate run, for profit. so where is the property taxes being funneled guys? survey also asked if the hoosier lottery could be sold, meant they planned to do it anyway, and did. if the lottery is now "privatized" and not state run, isnt gambling illegal? can I start my own lottery now and if I'm going to be busted for it can I offer to sell it to the state instead? .. and what about these toll roads that were built with public funds and FREE, then sold to CINTRA of Spain, isnt selling OUR infrastructure to foreign interests TREASON mister mitch daniels?

Posted by: Elaine Location: Alabama on Sep 25, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Regardless of how annoying and disruptive an individual may be an officer takes an oath to protect and serve all citizens of his/her town,city or state.Clearly this officer lost his cool and allowed his personal feelings to get involved with the ability to do his job correctly.

Posted by: What and face te wrath of corruption Location: To close on Sep 25, 2007 at 03:52 AM
What soap opera was Ted Penn watching? Synder had his hands full as he left the room!! How the hell did he do all that swinging to make the cop take him down!! Take Ted down!! That's what I say!

Posted by: Dean Location: Union, MI on Sep 25, 2007 at 01:32 AM
Donnie from Rochester...I am with you. This deadbeat has made a full-time job out of getting his face on TV and acting like the Ruler of Roseland. So many of these out-of-area folks don't know the things that the Snyders have done and their behavior. Additionally, remember when you were in school? When a kid would start trouble or hit you...the teacher never seemed to see the one that threw the first punch...but...they always seemed to catch the one that hit back. Well, Deadbeat David is the one that makes the first move time and time again...and...then he crys wolf about the reactions to his actions. It is amazing that so many people think they have the answer by seeing the video. If you have 10 people at an intersection and they observe an accident...you will end up with 10 different descriptions of the accident...to say nothing of the parties involved in the accident. Roseland is an accident that found a place to happen. Deadbeat David bailed out of jail again today. Saga Continues!

Posted by: Donnie Location: Rochester on Sep 25, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Snyder is doing no more than continueing to create a hostile environment for the council and attempting to get the law on his side. I think they should have been rougher on him and maybe he would quit his foolish behavior.

Posted by: Jim Location: Dallas, Texas on Sep 24, 2007 at 11:50 PM
Welcome to the 3rd world. The video plainly caught a brutal attack by a criminal marshall upon an unarmed citizen, complete with punches after the cuffs are on and verbal taunts. Citizens of Roseland, you don't like Snyder & that is all well and good. But tomorrow they will come to shake you down. They are Mafia equivalents.

Posted by: Dean Location: Union, MI on Sep 24, 2007 at 11:24 PM
The Roseland Police were right to take every action against Synder. Let's look at the Synder Saga thus far...isn't this the guy that attacked an old guy on the council and sent him to the hospital. Do you really expect policy (who have already taken a huge cut to help the township and only make six dollars an hour) to put themselves in harms way? Roseland is not even providing health care and last I heard on the news...they were uncertain if the Workman's Compensation Insurance has been paid. Would anyone who thinks the police in Roseland go too far...put themselves in this situation? The Roseland Police and Roseland in general have put up with enough. Can we send this guy to Iraq? Then, he can fight all he wants. Dean Done with David

Posted by: Brad Location: Jackson, Mississippi on Sep 24, 2007 at 08:52 PM
How does a guy with an obvious weight problem get to be a cop? I thought there were physical fitness requirements for such a job.

Posted by: Barney Fife Location: Illinois on Sep 24, 2007 at 04:12 PM
I don't understand why Snyder was arrested, they asked him to leave and he complied. Could someone explain why everybody hates this guy? He sure has a lot of enemies.

Posted by: Sean Location: West Virginia on Sep 24, 2007 at 03:10 PM
It's pretty freakin obvious that David Snyder did nothing to inrage Jack Tiller. Tiller should lose his job and be charged with police brutality. When Tiller is leading Snyder outside you can see in the reflection of the glass that Snyder was not resisting and that Tiller started the brawl. Snyder is obviously innocent, all charges should just be dropped and Tiller should be punished with full force.

Posted by: Greg Location: Washington on Sep 24, 2007 at 02:41 PM
It is clear to see in the reflection of the glass on the case that Ted Penn LIED to the reporter when he said that he "clearly" saw Snyder try to elbow Tiller. I hope Penn swears to that statement under oath so he (Penn) is found in contempt of court for lying under oath. I hope Snyder sues Roseland for every penny their insurance can cover...and then some.

Posted by: George Location: Washington on Sep 24, 2007 at 01:57 PM
The Marshall should loose his JOB!!! Another example of a public servant forgetting the people he serves. There is no excuse for polce brutality or hot headed cops. He should be fired....period!!!!

Posted by: Bob Location: New Carlisle, IN on Sep 24, 2007 at 12:42 PM
It's the same in New Carlisle as in Roseland. Rouque ten dollar an hour Marshalls gone wild. NC cops stop out-of-town drivers for going 26 in a 25 mph limit: then steal their personal items. It is obvious that the fix is in since Dvorak has not filed charges against Tiller. Notice how Tiller kept hitting Snyder in the head after he was down and helpless, then just walked away after cuffing him. This the action of abully and a coward. Roseland residents should be afraid that this rent-a-cop is still on duty!!!

Posted by: Mark Location: MA. on Sep 24, 2007 at 10:43 AM
If you watch the video again, you can clearly see Jack Tiller abuse his authority. Mr. Snyder made a derogatory remark towards Mr. Tiller, but as a police officer you are suppose to hold yourself to a higher standard to make sure the law is enforced properly. which you can clearly see Mr. Tiller lose control in the reflection of the glass in the hallway. I am a 100% supporter of police officers and believe that people will never completely understand what cops go through, but that was highly disturbing. Jack Tiller should definitely be relieved from duty for his actions.

Posted by: Bruce Location: Massachusetts on Sep 24, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Whether or not you like David Snyder, he was given the floor by Charles Shields, and had everyright to his say. If you people dislike Mr. Snyder so much than vote him out of office, or have a recall. You people from South Bend,and Roseland that claim that Mr. Snyder did something wrong to be assaulted by this so called police officer need to put your glasses on when you watch this video because it clearly shows officer Tiller pushing Mr, Snyder out the door, and if you look into the window image you can see Mr. Snyder falling to the floor into the door. Then you see officer Tiller pounding Mr. Snyder in the head while he lays there non resisting. I hope Mr. Snyder sues for a violation of his civil rights, and bankrupts your community because you all seem to defend this rogue cops actions.

Posted by: nio Location: china on Sep 24, 2007 at 10:05 AM
that lady need to shut up

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 24, 2007 at 10:01 AM
police brutality!

Posted by: Rick Location: Kentucky on Sep 24, 2007 at 09:49 AM
As a former Police Officer and the son of a retired officer this video discusts me. Granted we do not see all that occured but it plain to see this {Marshall} went well beyond any need necessary to difuse the situation. If the town of Roseland needs to have a Police presence at a town meeting then maybe it is time for the County Attorney and Governers office to step in and take control. Obviously the Town Marshall and his Deputy Marshalls are incapable of handling this. This Marshall needs to be introduced to the IN Criminal Justice system just like the board member that he sent there.

Posted by: W.M. Location: South Bend on Sep 24, 2007 at 09:45 AM
Roseland need to lower the speed limit to 15 MPH on 933 so they can pull more drivers over for speeding tickets and thus get more money.

Posted by: Bruce Location: Lakeville on Sep 24, 2007 at 08:55 AM
Great to see that the criminal justice system is alive and well.

Posted by: Sean Location: New Haven, CT on Sep 24, 2007 at 08:38 AM
This is the most blatant case of police brutality I have ever seen in my life. The offending officer belongs in a cage. The other officers should be suspended if not outright fired for allowing such a disgusting abuse of power take place.

Posted by: Scott Location: Jacksonville, FL. on Sep 24, 2007 at 01:42 AM
From what I could see on the video, it was plain to see that Snyder made a comment to the officer. At which time the officer attacked the man. I hope the officer is charged with battery and is forced to retire from law enforcement!!! This type of behavior from the people we look to for protection should not be tolerated in the United States. I do not care what words came out of Snyder's mouth! They are just words and do not warrant that type of behavior from an officer of the law, or arrest. I also find it hard to believe that someone could actually be thrown into a glass door then punched in the head a few times and then HE faces felony charges? It should be the other way around as I see it. The office should be the one with Felony charges on him as well as his fellow officers at the scene who did not take action and arrest the officer on the spot for battery.

Posted by: Michael Location: Texas on Sep 23, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Roseland will be smeared by this incident until the "peace" officer resigns. No amount of animosity justifies police brutality. It is the ultimate abuse of power and is despicable. It's bad enough to pick a fight with an older man; it is the ultimate cowardice to do it under the authority of government. Shame on you Jack Tiller!

Posted by: drew Location: nj on Sep 23, 2007 at 06:43 PM
i thought this might be interesting Among the featured films: For those who live in South Bend, the names Dorothy and David Snyder conjure up images of small town shouting matches, and yard signs that scream “Give Back Roseland”. In the Spring of 2006, the husband-wife tag team had a stranglehold on the tiny town council of Roseland, Indiana, which has a few hundred residents and a whole lot of headaches. Jacob Imm, Mike Molenda, and Noble Robinette spent three months in Roseland to produce the hard-to-believe documentary Welcome to Snyderville, which finds the Roseland faithful gnashing their teeth while David takes us on a town tour, cleaning up “civil disobedience” and doling out fines along the way. no matter what he may have done to this town i still do not condone the use of violence in anyway trailer for "welcome to snyderville" http://www.nd.edu/~ftt/sff07trailerSC2.mov

Posted by: Brian Location: San Diego on Sep 23, 2007 at 01:01 PM
Why is anyone allowed to do this type of violence? Are plice really that much ABOVE the law where they can beat anyone they want and walk away un effected by juristiction? These people are supposed to "serve and protect" not mock and beat. I hope this officer gets what he deserves!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: very close on Sep 23, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Tedd Penn run for office under the slogan "a democratic Roseland" Socrates defines a democracy as "the rule of sects" from this video Roseland is in competition with Iraq, instead of the Sunnis and Shea's it is obviously the Penn's and Snyder's. The question in front of the world now is; should liar Tedd Penn, his cult of hate and his corrupt police force, be allowed to keep "the spoils of war" ( the citizens held hostage and too scared to speak out for the American way of life)?

Posted by: USN (ret) Location: To close on Sep 23, 2007 at 09:02 AM
The good people of Roseland had lost there civil rights over two years ago when they were taken away by Dave and Dorothy Snyder when they RULED the town concil. Physical Abuse, ejections, extortion by undo fines and law suites were a common place under there control. Is it now time to renact these rights exclusivly for the dictator himself?? As the desperate citizens signs say TAKE BACK ROSELAND!! Maybe this was the first step. As Glen stated where was the help when Roseland needed it? These posts IMO are filled with the Snyders repeated posting as it seem evident in 70 percent of them and cowards that only come out when its safe. Would anyone man here (if there is any) let his daughter marry Dave Snyder? SICKENING!!!!!!! let there daughter marry Dave Snyder?

Posted by: Lady Jane Location: CO on Sep 23, 2007 at 04:14 AM
I could see no reason for David Snyder being arrested. I watched the youtube and what I saw was Snyder trying to leave and the cop push him down the hall and through the door. The cop jump on top of him and start beating him. Ted Penn shouldn't be where he is. He also lied about what happened to cover up for the cop. He thinks he is a ruler and people like him make me sick! The cop should be fired immediately! He should be brought up on charges for assault! He is worthless, and a lire! He brutalized Snyder without reason! Then taunted him with "did you fall down?" This kind of thing must be stopped! These are the kind of cops that should never be in the position they are in. If they weren't cops they would be in jail or trying to be security guards! They are unfit to serve as police officers. This town council is dysfunctional! As far as a police state - I guarantee you that the citizens of the U.S. won't put up with it, and will fight back. They are not cowards!

Posted by: Biff Location: Washington DC on Sep 23, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Nazi ville USA--- whoever that crooked cop is, Officer Junebug Chubbycluck or whatever his name is, it's clear you have a corrupt PD and town government...Now with NATIONAL ATTENTION. People are now busy digging up enough dirt on that cop and the PD to send them to jail. Whether its the jewelry pocketed at a death scene or cash underreported as evidence, people are on to ya now. The Feds..All the best & see ya soon.....

Posted by: Kathy Location: Willow Grove, PA on Sep 22, 2007 at 11:38 PM
This town is a joke. Mayor doesn't know Roberts Rules of Order or town's ordinances (don't they have a solicitor?), rogue cop, and a lying councilman - Ted Penn. Penn has charged Snyder with attacking him at an earlier meeting. Snyder should use Ted Penn's Video interview of this incident to totally impeach Penn's credibility and veracity. Nothing in the video supports Penn's version. PREDICTION: Snyder sues and since the town has no money, he is willing to settle if the Mayor, Ted Penn and the cop resign. I feel sorry for this town if they have another 3 years left of Ted Penn on the council. He is a lying idiot. A the mayor is a joke too. I guess rogue cops really blossom in this type of environment. The mayor acts like he is the King and everyone bows to his wishes? Maybe unincorporating and volunteering to annex to a local neighboring government is the best way to deal with the unlawful fiefdom in Roseland.

Posted by: J. Ron Location: Paul on Sep 22, 2007 at 09:53 PM
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP! After the UF incident it is clear that police now officially run this country and do whatever they want to citizens without fear of punishment. We are entering the era of a police state. Our freedoms of speech and assembly are under attack from the top down. It is time to FIGHT BACK! The 2008 Presidential election will go a long way toward restoring this country to the what it once was. Do your part to determine who will take the steps to restore the USA to a peaceful country that respects our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Otherwise, we will be seeing more and more of this and we can't blame anyone but ourselves for allowing it to continue.

Posted by: Josh Location: Portage, IN on Sep 22, 2007 at 09:23 PM
I think its pretty sick how we as Americans have been conditioned to tolorate this type of criminal behavior from our police. If we dont wake up soon to the fact that all the conditions for a police state are present, it will be too late to save America. RON PAUL 08'

Posted by: ~P Location: Maryland on Sep 22, 2007 at 07:26 PM
Roseland, Indiana looks like a horrible place to live ... visions of Nazi Germany readily come to mind. This rough cop deserves to be brought up on charges for unprovoked brutality. Roseland, do your civic duty ... the nation is watching ... if not, then shame on you.

Posted by: S.C Location: Australia on Sep 22, 2007 at 07:10 PM
From across the globe. It never ceases to amaze me that a country which continually tells the world that it has freedom of speech and is the greatest democracy on the planet... allows this sort Police brutality and you all stand by and do NOTHING. Your laws and rights have been slowly eroded away and you still do NOTHING. The difference between Soviet style dictatorship and the USA is no longer blurred, its reality. Such a wonderful nation has turned into nothing more then a giant whipping board for Police and government brutality.

Posted by: Mike C Location: Boston, MA on Sep 22, 2007 at 04:13 PM
Disgusting Mr. Tiller needs to be fired, brought up on charges! Who was the nasty woman making comments and blocking the cameras? She needs to be prosecuted and sued as well. Disgusting small time people think they can do that to American citizens? NO MORE!! Thank you to this TV station and the reporter for covering this national story! You deserve every award that comes your way.

Posted by: NH Location: NH on Sep 22, 2007 at 04:05 PM
WHAT A LIAR! There was no brawl in the hallway until the cop sucker punched that guy Dave who was leaving on his own peacefully. The cop clearly attacked him, when there was not a cause to and therefore should be FIRED and JAILED too!

Posted by: Adam Location: Pittsburgh on Sep 22, 2007 at 03:29 PM
Im sick and tired of seeing all these cases of police brutality. I have no respect for these cops, and I pray that they are fired and out of a job. They certainly earned it.

Posted by: CORRUPT Location: ROSELAND on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:26 PM
OK, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ITS BEEN EIGHT DAYS AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ARRESTED TILLMAN. I CAN'T RESPECT LAW ENFORCEMENT ANYMORE AFTER THIS! AND YES, YOU EARNED IT!

Posted by: Reed Location: Minneapolis on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:14 PM
Now there are thousands of witnesses! You can see the cop smash Mr. Snyder's head against the door in the reflection on the wall of the entryway. It's such an obvious case of unprovoked police brutality. That officer should be put in jail. He is a menace to society.

Posted by: I want civil justice Location: US on Sep 22, 2007 at 12:36 PM
Definitely police brutality imho. If a white man can get a beat down by rogue cops with witnesses no less then you now see what people of color go through when no one's looking. WAKE UP PEOPLE OF AMERICA! YOU WILL BE NEXT IF YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE POLICE STATE TO EXIST!

Posted by: D.D. Location: Indiana on Sep 22, 2007 at 12:03 PM
This goes to show you should always video tape everywhere you go, especially when it's to a government function. If everyone knows there's Bad police mixed in with the good police, then why isn't everyone doing everything they can to get the bad police off the force? I know it's scary that the media seems to always take the side of the police most of the time and make the victims look like the bad guy, but if this is the "Land of the FREE, and the home of the BRAVE", then don't let bad cop thugs stop YOU from doing the right thing! Get the bad cops OFF the job!!! Good cops, you more than anyone should know who the bad cops are... stand up for our rights and protect us from the bad guys, no matter who they are. Fire the cop and those in charge of making sure an elected council member is not given equal talk time than others. It's not a crime to hear "annoying" people tell the truth.

Posted by: Ray Location: Louisville, KY on Sep 22, 2007 at 11:51 AM
The cop committed assault when he shoved the man from behind...what happened immediately afterwards wasn't clear but the footage showing sitting on the man's back, punching him in the back of the head is both police brutality and full fledged battery...the cop should be fired and then prosecuted to the full extent o the law.

Posted by: Robert Location: Canada on Sep 22, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Wow, The United States of America is really becoming just like the former Soviet Russia! My faith in America is very much shaken. How can this happen in full view and nobody cares?

Posted by: Fred Location: Tn on Sep 22, 2007 at 10:20 AM
The Liar Ted Penn says that David was in handcuffs and being led out! In handcuffs? His whole statement is a LIE! Who is this liar TED PENN? David was NOT in cuffs and was NOT being led out. he was being followed out!

Posted by: Jim Location: Roseland on Sep 22, 2007 at 04:18 AM
Ted Penn's description is obviously a lie. The video shows Jack Tiller was not resisting at all. The cop was way out of line and should be fired.

Posted by: Sam Location: El Paso, TX on Sep 22, 2007 at 03:27 AM
I too am a law enforcement official and agree that this is a clear case of police brutality. As stated by numerous individuals, you can see that when Snyder turns around, he is immediately shoved forward. Another concern is when the officer has Snyder face down. If he were resisting arrest, then the other officers would have been helping the arresting officer and not patting him on the back in an attempt to make him stop his assault.

Posted by: A-Bomb Location: USA on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:17 AM
R.I.P. Habeus Corpus! Hello Martial Law and the FEMA camps! groups.myspace.com/meanpolice

Posted by: Frank Location: Gabriola on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:02 AM
Fire and prosecute the cop.

Posted by: Steve Location: Kennesaw, GA on Sep 22, 2007 at 01:46 AM
That cop pushed David into the door then joked about it say "who pushed you david" and "did you tripped david?" I hope that cop gets fired.

Posted by: John Location: Kentucky on Sep 22, 2007 at 12:00 AM
This police state brutality will come to an end. We all need to stop being spineless and stop being ruled over by our public servants!! How can you expect the government to honor you rights when you always settle for privileges!!! STAND UP!!

Posted by: dave Location: home on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:43 PM
The Cop is obviously lying and so is Ted Penn. This incident was an orchestrated abuse of power by the police and the other members at the meeting. I would suggest that a federal probe be instigated regarding the council, mayor, local judge, and the police dept.This is blatantly a very corrupt and sick group of people. Filing for an investigation is simple and costs nothing. I hope someone in Rosedale has the dignity to request it or if need be conduct it themselves with the help of a profesional investigator. There are many decent real former police investigators who will work on such a case.

Posted by: Still Waiting on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:41 PM
And we keep on waiting... and waiting... and waiting... 7 days and STILL no official word on Tiller's demise. Of course he is still on duty and life goes on as though nothing happened. This officer should be reprimanded for his actions while the incident is "under investigation"! You don't give a child a cookie while saying "I'll spank you later". Snyder was slapped with charges and court dates before getting released from jail,unjustifiably BEATEN before going to jail. In my opinion, the consensus of these forums alone say it ought to be different. Since when was the judicial changed to "guilty until proven innocent"? Not amended by a council majority I hope.

Posted by: johnny Location: california on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:36 PM
this filthy scum cop needs be imprisoned for the rest of his life in a forced labor camp

Posted by: Jeff Location: PA on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:29 PM
A country arming itself against itself can only be a result of an oppressive dictatorial regime with an agenda to bring on immensely unpopular change. How many shaved heads in black uniforms do the people of this country need to see before they pay attention to what is really taking place?

Posted by: Philip Location: Las Vegas on Sep 21, 2007 at 10:43 PM
my profile and a couple articles below it at http://www.helium.com/user/show - you may wish to read the article about the Phillippe LeMenn case in Las Vegas in 2001 - may assist you in maintaining an extremely skeptical view of police actions at this time. Maintain your rights in the face of their bloated sense of entitlement, and see that the nation's Founding Documents have become essentially worthless. Now - WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: USA on Sep 21, 2007 at 09:29 PM
Clearly, the town people wanted this guy beaten. The town should have a public stoning for the Police-animal, featuring Major League Baseball pitchers. FBI should pick this one up, IA doesn't handle it properly.

Posted by: Andy Location: Bristol on Sep 21, 2007 at 09:05 PM
"When Will the Snyders finally see they are not wanted around roseland" Hope that gets read out in court! Seems to me like your town is run by a corrupt mafiosi and brutal enforcers dressed as policemen. Bit like your whole country really. Lots of luck, USians, we love you really!

Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on Sep 21, 2007 at 08:38 PM
See what happens when you let people out of state start commenting on something that they have nothing to do with, they can't even keep the simple facts straight calling David Snyder "Jack Snyder";(Quote)Joshua Texas "What happened Jack, did you trip and fall?" and "Battery? How's that? Who hit you?." Like a bad game of Operator as a kid, can't keep the facts straight see how it all gets blown out of proportion? Leave this alone already....it's so last week!

Posted by: Jackie Location: Lee County, FL on Sep 21, 2007 at 08:22 PM
THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!The FILM is evidence enough to show that this policeman shoved Mr.Snyder through the door--WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?? The cop should be out of a job! WE,as citizens CANNOT manhandle a cop if we're having a bad day, so, why is it that this cop is getting away with this?

Posted by: Don Location: Oregon on Sep 21, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Find out what this same ignorant thug of a cop did to Mrs. Snyder a few months ago. What do a bunch of lawyers call another lawyer with an IQ of 60? "County Prosecutor!" No Sympathy For The Ignorant

Posted by: Billy Blaze Location: Tx on Sep 21, 2007 at 06:24 PM
I think that cop should be arrested for assault on a person he is supposed to be a servant of. these cops for whatever reason think that the rules do not apply to them. I have had it with these types of police. They are real tough when they beat the crap out of you and you are already in hand cuffs. if that happened to one of my family members I would seek a lawsuit without question and have the trial moved out of that county, it is obvious that the county is corrupt by just watching the video of the coucil members. The guy gives him the floor then tries to lay down the law, how typical in a small town of bubbas

Posted by: Marih Location: Portland Oregon on Sep 21, 2007 at 06:13 PM
This is another example of how our oppositional relationships, involving loss of dilomancy, human dignity, trust & public safety has erroded and been replaced by power struggles, name calling, tauting, verbal abuse, contempt for "other", intimidation, abuse of power, and blatant violence. This whole video is evidentary of the internal & external symptoms of our humanity erroding. What legacy are we exemplifying for our children? Which persons, groups,cities, governments, nations etc. are wiling to arise to an higher level of unity & humanhood, positive communication & productive human interaction?. When will we decide to become an actual civil society?

Posted by: Mona Location: Glendale on Sep 21, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Ted's lie is so serious because it shows that he is not only covering up the police brutality but, with the other evidence you can see that he actually ordered it. For no reason he tells the cop to take David to jail. Later he covers up the police brutality. This is serious, Folks. Call in the FBI!

Posted by: Jacob Samuels Location: Indiana on Sep 21, 2007 at 06:03 PM
After watching the video, regardless of whether Snyder threw a punch initially, the officer clearly punches the man twice in the back of the head after taking control and having Snyder on the ground. This is clearly excessive and an instance of a police officer abusing the power of his position. This officer should be ashamed for disgracing all the honest, hard-working police officers vital to the function of society.

Posted by: Dick Location: Peterson on Sep 21, 2007 at 05:58 PM
35% don't think the police used excessive force? Are you serious? You obviously have a problem with the victim and feel he got what he deserves. This is police brutality and there is no excuse. Look at this fellow officers trying to get Tiller to stop beating him. They know. Also Tiller is not there to move him to the car after the "fight" because he knew how over his career was at that moment. If Tiller did do the right thing, he would have cuffed Snyder and escorted him to the car but he is no where to be seen after he beat a guy in an unfair attack from behind. This cop will not even qualify for a job at McDonald's after this incident.

Posted by: George Location: Victoria on Sep 21, 2007 at 05:46 PM
Clear fascist brutality, he was being escorted calmly out, when the cop went nuts. Yet another example of the current fascist police state in the US.

Posted by: Nick Location: San Diego, CA on Sep 21, 2007 at 05:19 PM
Ted Penn is lying! He said that Snyder elbowed the cop, but as you can see in the raw footage, the guy was carrying a camera in his left hand and a portfolio in his right. The cop pushed him, slammed him out the door, and then pinned him to the ground where the cop repeatedly beat him in his head. He couldn't have elbowed him because as you can see, the cop pushed him by his elbows. There's no way he could've resisted Tiller the way Ted Penn explained it. This man was brutally beaten and humiliated for no plausible reason. There's no way he could've been of any physical danger to the police officers or anyone else. I hope Jack Tiller gets fired!

Posted by: Mona Location: Glendale, CA on Sep 21, 2007 at 05:05 PM
You can listen to David being interviewed by Alex Jones paying in a few minutes. Go to Shoutcast dot com and choose the "talk" option. Click on the Alex Jones Show which will be the first or second choice.

Posted by: Eric Location: Park City, UT on Sep 21, 2007 at 03:50 PM
I know nothing about the town or the personalities involved. But I know what I saw: A so-called "police officer" deliberately assaulted an elected official. You can see what happens in the reflection from the outer door glass. You can see the "police officer" beating the victim while he's down and is completely un-resistent. Tiller needs to be JAILED, to say nothing of "fired" and "banished to Tierra Del Fuego." He's being paid minimum wage? Too bad he can't be paid less. He's a disgrace and a bully.

Posted by: Joshua Location: Texas on Sep 21, 2007 at 03:37 PM
This is absolutely sick! Not only is the poor guy violently shoved into the door and into the ground and then beaten with full swings to the head but then they add insult to injury with their pathetic comments like "What happened Jack, did you trip and fall?" and "Battery? How's that? Who hit you?." This sorry excuse for human called a "police officer" should be ashamed. What a man he is!

Posted by: James Location: Ohio on Sep 21, 2007 at 03:12 PM
Many of the comments seem hateful of the Snyder's as if they are responsible for all this communities troubles. But all I see is a bunch of petty jealous children who can't take responsibility for their own actions. The beating almost appears planned out ahead of time. Starting with a fake reason to kick Snyder out of the meeting. Also .... blaming the Snyder's seems to be a favorite pass time for these people. It seems like they are mad because Snyder expects and even demands they play by the rules and they hate him because he actually has a brain. It's like watching a bunch of stupid farm animals. It's the crazy angry abusive ones who seem guilty here .... not Snyder.

Posted by: John Location: Conner on Sep 21, 2007 at 03:04 PM
Ted Penn is a LIAR. Jack Snyder had his hands full and was very clearly pushed forward very hard. The cop Tiller started the assault. If Snyder tried to flip around to regain his balance it didn't work very well as you can see in the video.

Posted by: sol rosenberg Location: usa on Sep 21, 2007 at 02:18 PM
that was very hurtful sir, and it was just plain mean. an unwarranted attack on someone just wanting more time to speak.That so called public servant needs to be removed from that police dept. He is a useless thug.I hope snyder sues the whole friggin department.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 21, 2007 at 01:37 PM
just before they take him out the door he is shoved by the cop, Totally uncalled for and the cop should be suspended or fired for his actions however the city council im sure will protect the officer sounds like that community has no backbone.

Posted by: Greg Location: Providence on Sep 21, 2007 at 12:12 PM
Dave got what he had coming to him, run him outta town! After Jack loses his job he'll probably go work for Blackwater or a private security firm, something where he can take his aggression out without worrying so much about the consequences.

Posted by: Pat W. Location: Lewes, DE on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Once Snyder was on his face on the ground there could not possibly be justification for futher blows about the head as was on the video. Snyder left the room in a non-confrontational manner. Tiller followed him closely in an aggressive manner.

Posted by: Cody Location: Johnson on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Someone from the outside needs to step in. Sound like no one in this town has a brain!

Posted by: Bob Location: Georgia on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Snyder is a jerk, no doubt about it, but that's not a crime, nor is it an excuse for police brutality. Just listen to the comments of officer (and I use the word loosely) Tiller's wife. She even filmed the "incident" or to define it properly, unprovoked attack.

Posted by: Cody Location: Oklahoma on Sep 21, 2007 at 11:19 AM
I don’t understand some of your points of view on this matter! I think many peple are just to close and emotionally involed to see what has hapened and some of you are just dumb. The video clearly shows Snyder did nothing to prevoke being pushed to the ground through the door and then beaten. I am not a person who hates police so I automatically yell police brutality. I think you all are missing the officer hasn’t been paid he may not have a job much longer and let his emotions get the best of him. I'm sure that the officer did not behave in a way that he normally would but these other worries about providing for his family and living with worry about if and when he will ever make a living wage again surely play a part in his over-reaction to an unfortunate situation. As for this video and case it is clear the officer is in the wrong. He suggested getting police help from other places and cutting the department. I wish I had more back story so I could know who was to blame for the budg

Posted by: Peter Location: Montana on Sep 21, 2007 at 10:58 AM
Oh Well...That's the way the cookie crumbles

Posted by: Lou Location: Springfield, MO on Sep 21, 2007 at 04:40 AM
Judging from the back story I see that Mr. Snyder may have deserved to be arrested, or removed from the council, or both. But from a police standpoint. From a standpoint of someone who's supposed to be protecting citizens and not abusing their power this is deplorable. If he had a beef with Snyder he should have done it on his own time on equal terms, not on duty, in a uniform, with your opponent in handcuffs. He should be fired. Period.

Posted by: Laughing Location: Anywhere but Roseland on Sep 21, 2007 at 03:40 AM
Trust the judicial system for the outcome. Wait..I wonder if it is still working? Also, I can't but laugh so hard on what some of you had to write about the "Snyders". So what?!. Live with it. You're all acting like little babies. It is clear that David S. will prevail in court with Mr. Tiller facing punishment. Hahaha..and as for Mr. Penn? "I saw David swing blah blah blah.." Are you for reals? Would you really stick to that in court? And that annoying fat lady yelling "Yeah...do it for my dad"..do you really think that David S. will lose out? At any rate, I think there should be a law made in your area to include anyone being employed in the governing office should have a IQ level of above 50.But if that were the case, no one would have a job..hahaha..and 50 is way below average. And as for David S. previous deadbeat dad etc...what does that have to do with police brutality and ignorant gorverning people in Roseland. Gees how many people would get a beatdown for unpaid childsupport

Posted by: mark Location: warsaw on Sep 21, 2007 at 02:19 AM
cop yells "turn over" when he is already on his stomach. also watch the reflection on the door for unwarranted brutality. Cop just wanted to hit this guy. Bully is right

Posted by: kevin Location: CA on Sep 21, 2007 at 01:46 AM
if you watch the full video you can hear people saying "did you trip and fall", "can i kick him". these are grown people. i am in utter shock of what i just saw. only days after the FU tazer incident. hahaha i hope "jack" the officer burns on the stand.

Posted by: Tim Location: Montana on Sep 21, 2007 at 12:26 AM
easy how you can see as the cop pushes him into the glass door down the hallway the guy had no way to fight back or even hit him the cop was running with his body pushing his face into the door.. that cop lies. should def goto jail.

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel IND on Sep 20, 2007 at 10:18 PM
If I was living in Roseland now and needed the assistance of the police, I would call the State Police. I would like to applaud WNDU for the coverage of this story. I believe it is extremely important that United States Citizens have a news source willing to cover issues that involve free speech and how our citizens are treated by our law enforcement agencies.

Posted by: dave Location: Sundance on Sep 20, 2007 at 09:41 PM
Just look in the reflection on the glass....that shows it all. That cop Tiller, reacting to "Oh, the bully's back", shoved him....while he's holding the camera equipment...head first thru the door, then continued to pound him. Snyder never hit Tiller...just watch the reflection. Ted Penn and Jack Tiller are both complete liars, and the video clearly shows that. Neither have a thimble of integrity. Pure corruption. All Snyder was trying to do was talk, using his alloted time. Now we're arresting people for speaking?

Posted by: LD Location: Texas on Sep 20, 2007 at 07:47 PM
I give WNDU credit for posting my comments below. Concerning WNDU’s reply: I am not speaking of WNDU covering both sides. I agree WNDU should do this. I’m speaking of innuendo and distortions in WNDU reports. For instance WNDU calls this encounter with the officer a “fight”. Fight implies BOTH men engaged physically. A more impartial word should be used, for example “fight” replaced with a word like “incident”. WNDU states, “There were only two real witnesses.” This is a distortion and implies the details cannot be discerned from any outside observer, that it hinges on Mr. Snyder’s words against Officer Tiller’s. The video clearly shows other witnesses present and watching. In WNDU video coverage, Reporter Stang stated, “With signs like this painted on David and Dorothy Snyder’s garage door, it may be a surprise to learn that some are actually siding with the Snyders.” Signs? Looks like vandalism to me. It may be a surprise people side with Snyder? This all seems to marginalize Snyder.

Posted by: j Location: roseland on Sep 20, 2007 at 06:48 PM
what is taking the prosecutor so long? he has the evidence right in front of him. they need to take out the other two from the council also. what will roseland residents do if they don't do anything?

Posted by: Vic Alvarez Location: Greer, SC on Sep 20, 2007 at 05:32 PM
You can see in the reflection of the window on the way out he was pushed or hit. It is what it is.

Posted by: Edwin Location: Sacramento,ca on Sep 20, 2007 at 03:31 PM
In the video you can clearly see him turn around to respond to something and then the marshal pushes him. I Suggest we call and demand his resignation. He did nothing to provoke being pushed and Law enforcement can not just put there hands on you for no reason, especially in a way of pushing. DEMAND FOR RESIGNATION AND PUT THAT ROUGE COP IN JAIL.

Posted by: bear Location: Asheville on Sep 20, 2007 at 02:14 PM
You can see at9sec on the tape the prefect relection of what happend after they webt out of site. This cop is out of control. A large portion of police in this country today seem to have no respext for the people or the constitution anymore. IT IS TIME FOR THE SYSTEM TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF ONE OF THESE TRAITORS, THEY TAKE AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND TO PROTECT AND SERVE. I want to know why they are not held to a much higher standard that the rest of us. They do all manner of misdomenors that I SEE DAILY. They view us as all as potential criminals treat us with suspicion even wheb they have come to "help" us. It must be terribly lonely and scary to be so paranoid. We are not a very criminal society and yet we have more people in jail per capita than China. Is this right? 72% of them are there for NON-VIOLENT OFFENSES. Ask your self is this is truley the land of the free or the home of the enslaved. We have to control our local police, then the state.

Posted by: Wayne on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:44 PM
Hmm, looks like I'll be avoiding this town next time I have to drive near that area. They're all apparently impulsive, petty children. Violent ones at that. Sheesh.

Posted by: Sherald Location: North Carolina on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:43 PM
In America these things are happening! Wake up. If you don't believe we are living in the police state, ask the man who was shoved to the ground and brutally beaten in the face for saying the wrong thing. Or ask the young man who was recently held down by at least six cops while he was tasered for asking John Kerry the WRONG question, even as John Kerry told these cops from the stage that it was alright, he would answer the young man's question. Our freedom is under attack from not foreign enemies but DOMESTIC ones. Do something about it. And find out about Ron Paul, the only man running for US President that understands that it is the government's job to PROTECT the people's privacy, not undermine it. HE has also come in fourth or higher in 20 of the last 23 straw polls, which is better than any of the other Republican candidates have done. The mainstream media still tries to keep him out of the spotlight, because they favor this sort of Gestapo fear-driven society. Sickening.

Posted by: Alexia Location: South Bend on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:26 PM
Unbeleivably sad that 34% of us think this is acceptable. Cops who injure citizens should get jailed for longer periods than citizens who hurt citizens. Sadly, we've been told we have to worship the state's heros and we get long sentences for daring to contest their authority.

Posted by: ride Location: CN on Sep 20, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I'm not sure what is more frightning about this video - the excessive abuse by the law enforcement or the discusting immature comments and behaviour of the people in the crowd (who seem to be severly lacking in intelectual capacity)

Posted by: f8te Location: CO, USA on Sep 20, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Yes it is a disgrace, but for you smarmy canadian hypocrites to preach from your british proxy court high horse is a friggin laugh. You have the same crap going on up there. You have even more censorship so put that in yer pipe and smoke it! Have any questions ask David Icke and Alex Jones about Canadian pleasentries. Talk about being afraid. Thats a laugh you subject to the crown. Now neal before your queen .

Posted by: John M Location: NY on Sep 20, 2007 at 11:53 AM
That pathetic excuse for a cop is lucky that no real law enforcement officer was there or he'd have been removed from the force and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That was an absolutely sickening display of police brutality, excessive force and violation of civil rights. I pray the charges are properly filed and the district follows through on this.

Posted by: Beata Van Berkom Location: Saskatchewan Canada on Sep 20, 2007 at 11:02 AM
This is a disgrace. Ego, power and too much violence in American culture. SHAME on you ALL. You deserve a police state it seems to us up here in Canada. No one helped this man and the police are criminals. Good luck USA. You need it. WAKE UP Sheeple. Bill of Rights anyone? Are you all too afraid? B in Canada

Posted by: Tom Location: Roseland on Sep 20, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Snyder says, "Oh look, the bully is back" and the billy pushes the gentleman into a glass door at ramming speed. This Bully with a Badge needs his job taken away...He is not fit to wear it.

Posted by: John Location: Houston, TX on Sep 20, 2007 at 10:29 AM
When are soft-headed Americans gonna grow a spine and STOP the assault of their fellow citizens by these thugs?

Posted by: Want you to know Location: America on Sep 20, 2007 at 09:44 AM
PROSECUTOR TRYING TO COVERUP POLICE BRUTALITY ...Friday's skirmish in Roseland involving the town marshal and a Town Council member remains under review by the St. Joseph County prosecutor's office...Dvorak would not specifically address if an investigation of Tiller's actions is part of his review of the case. "I don't want to answer that question for fear it might impact the Snyder case," said Dvorak.... 9/20/2007 - Area Newspaper

Posted by: Larry B Location: Ft Worth, TX on Sep 20, 2007 at 09:35 AM
How could this cop been assulted when this guy had items in both hands? then in the reflection on the glass you can simply see this cop pushing him into the door. This was disorderly conduct of a police officer. Who can feel safe with cops like this. I say this officer needs to lose his badge, before he does this again. I clearly didn't see the other cop/s helping in this situation either. plus hearing this cop saying "you tripped" just shows he is mentally ill!

Posted by: scott Location: warrenton on Sep 20, 2007 at 09:19 AM
sad excuse for a marshall

Posted by: Declan Location: Manchester on Sep 20, 2007 at 08:39 AM
These cops need to spend a long time in jail.

Posted by: Curt Location: Michigan on Sep 20, 2007 at 08:01 AM
"Fight"??? How was Mr Snyder fighting? You can tell from the video that this was clearly an assault by that cop. Cops like this will have to answer to God for this kind of stuff since they're entrusted with more responsibility.

Posted by: Yikes Location: King Devil Hills on Sep 20, 2007 at 07:48 AM
Only an idiot would defend the police beating this OLD man up. The police were pounding into him like a bunch of cowardly scum and they charge him for assault. Ssould be the other way, those police should be charged for assault.

Posted by: Malcolm Location: New Zealand on Sep 20, 2007 at 07:42 AM
Ted Penn, you're a liar - The cop threw Schneider into the glass door - you can see the reflection - you are lying about David resisting - he immediately was thrown into the glass wall. Hitting him and shoving him or going for his head - more like David's head going into the glass wall. Your whole story is absolute nonsense.

Posted by: LD Location: Texas on Sep 20, 2007 at 07:34 AM
That cop needs to be the one arrested. Watch the video very closely. Mr. Snyder never touched him. I've watched the original video numerous times along with Ted Penn’s video statements. This looks like a corrupt city council and local media trying to cover for the cop’s actions. I’ve noticed similarly distorted media reports of other incidents around the country lately where the media is outright lying or distorting facts where people are the victims of corrupt police. For instance, CNN’s coverage of the Florida student being tasered at the Kerry speech earlier this week was reporting false quotes that the student never said. Before that Brett Darrow in Missouri where the officer was threatening to make up false charges. There was an obvious attempt on all networks I seen trying to demonize Mr. Darrow. What is with the media? Do they think we can not see and hear these videos for ourselves?

We are allowing every single angle to be shown and letting the viewer decide who to believe. Not allowing one of the main players to talk about this would create an unbalanced story. We are putting everything we have online, it's up to the individual to draw their own conclusion. -WNDU.com


Posted by: Still Waiting on Sep 20, 2007 at 07:24 AM
6 days and counting as to any official words of Tiller's demise.

Posted by: John Shaw Location: London, England on Sep 20, 2007 at 06:28 AM
What ever Snyders' situation is with paying child support & causing problems with the council, there is no way a police officer should react like that. The officer is obviously a jumped up little punk hiding behind a badge, I wonder if he's related to they Mayor?

Posted by: Paul Location: Hemet CA on Sep 20, 2007 at 03:44 AM
The video does support Snyder's claims of what happen. Just look at the reflection of the officer and Snyder in the window within the hallway and you can see Snyder is facing away from the officer and is being pushed into the outside door head first hard enough to make it fly open (Use the pause button if you need to). Also when the camera does make it to the action Snyder is down and under control but the officer's fist is still beating him about the head and face. You can also see the second officer putting his hand on the shoulder of the officer's arm that is delivering the blows to Snyder as if to suggest the beating should stop. I did hear Snyder say "oh look the bully's back" But don't see that requiring any police force. At most a stern talk about how to address and respect the badge.

Posted by: Doug A Location: Minneapolis,mn on Sep 20, 2007 at 03:31 AM
There is no doubt that the cop attacked the man. It was plainly visible, the cop grabbing the man. Whats more, you could see the cop wailing on the guy on the ground. Then you hear the cop making snide remarks about him tripping and falling, and who hit him? This is totally un-acceptable. The cop is not fit to be wearing a badge or a gun. It does not matter what he said in the meeting, it does not condone such behavior by an police officer. This cop needs to be taken off the street immediatily, he is a liability to the city.

Posted by: Steve Location: Ohio on Sep 20, 2007 at 02:09 AM
Kayla, you're a fascist in my opinion. It IS ALL of our business to stop rogue law enforcement. Its clear that this Snyder guy had his hands full. Its clear he was shoved after replying to someone and was in fact leaving. Its clear Tiller shoved him THROUGH the door (as shown in the mirror) and then lied asking if Snyder tripped. He also says he was hit? Not from the footage. He has every RIGHT to defend himself from an officer who is assaulting him "under color of law". There was no violoent act from Snyder with his full hands. You Kayla might not like Snyder, and I probably wouldn't either. But you defending, in fact gleefully supporting a clear case of law enforcement brutality makes you a far lower form of human in my eyes. Hope you wake up some day.

Posted by: Pat Location: United Kingdom. on Sep 20, 2007 at 02:05 AM
Mr Snyder was pushed from behind when he had his back to the officer, that can be clearly seen in the glass reflection to the right hand side as they pass through the doorway. Whoever said Mr Snyder got a punch in should ask him how, as he had his paperwork in his right hand and camera tripod in his left. As he left the room he momentarily turned back to his right and as he turned back again to face & move forward he was pushed by the officer.. A thoroughly disgraceful and deliberate act of assault by that officer on Mr Snyder.

Posted by: Steven Location: united States on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:59 AM
Gang activity, by police, is NOT an unusual situation. It happened in Nazis Germany and Communist Soviet Union. This country went from 300,000 police to over 1,500,000. That was NO accident. Study history my fellow Americans, please? (study and check Alex Jones, Aaron Russo and Ron Paul videos on Google). "We've given you a Republic, if you can keep it." ---Ben Franklin

Posted by: Clarity Location: Earth on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:46 AM
All of those cops need to be fired. One for the assault, the rest for not doing their duty and intervening. The man had both hands occupied and made no aggressive moves when the first ugly wart of a thug began the assault.

Posted by: k. Location: us on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:37 AM
Watch video, keep eyes on the reflection in the glass window in the other room to see it all. David's hands are full with elbows down and with a folder in one hand, expensive video camera in other. As he says ..."bully" and turns around, the cop immediately pushes him from behind with enough strength to charge him forward and open the front door with David's face and head. You can see in the timing from David turning around after saying..."bully" that he does not have enough time to elbow or turn around to hit the cop at all. So the cop and Ted Penn are lying. If they put that in a police report and lied, then that is also a crime. It is clear from other's reactions that this is a backward group of people with an out of control SS-style police force. A cop who can do this and lie about it has done it before. LOOK IN THE REFLECTION IN THE NEXT ROOM'S WINDOW TO SEE WHAT REALLY TOOK PLACE...PURE ASSAULT BY POLICE!!! You can hear the taunting by people in end video by David's wife

Posted by: CitizenRob Location: TheRealWorld on Sep 20, 2007 at 01:12 AM
Even if Snyder did swing at him, the cop should have arrested him instead of beating his head in while sitting on top of him. Cops should know better and therefore pay the same consequences.

Posted by: YOU FIRST Location: NEW WORLD ORDER on Sep 20, 2007 at 12:47 AM
END THE POLICE STATE!

Posted by: jerry Location: texas on Sep 20, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Why did the cop had to follow mr Synders? If mr. Synders was going out without giving ANY resistence and how that the cop said that mr. Synders tried to hit him if he had his hands busy? does the cop said where he was hit?

Posted by: i don't have one Location: anytown indiana on Sep 19, 2007 at 11:29 PM
this is for N of Indiana. You make it sound like that no one is able to express their opinions of what has happened. Did you happen to even watch the video or are you just commenting because you have nothing better to do? Freedom of speech allows you to be able to say whatever you want and it sounds like to me by reading all of these comments, people are pretty smart about what they are writing. I am sure that after this finally calms down and the town marshall is dismissed of his duties for good, then it will all cool down, just in enough time for something to start up again. That is the way things go in this town apparently. I just hope like everyone else that town marshall Tiller will receive the discipline for what happened. It just seemed like he wanted to start the altercation. He should be responsible for all of his [ David Snyder]'s {medical bills. Its all a 3 ring circus and maybe they will get new people that know what they are doing and no more drama.

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel IND on Sep 19, 2007 at 11:23 PM
I hope WNDU will keep following this story about Mr. Snyder and Mr. Tiller and give us updates, considering the recent events at Florida State University where the student was Tased for speaking out of turn; I think the two cases are closely related, furthermore if future litigation is pending on this matter it may be best for all parties concerned that a change of venue be considered to protect Mr. Snyder and Tiller from the possible prejudice in the local area.

Posted by: Amanda Location: Eugene, OR on Sep 19, 2007 at 11:19 PM
It is very obvious in the video that David Snyder did not provoke the officer. It is very clear that he is a victim of police brutality and that all of the people in his community stood aside while Jack Tiller, a man that should be protecting the town, punches Dave repeatedly. What is happening right now in our United States of America that people are passive to violence instead of helping their fellow citizen? What kind of place do we live in where the police are here to instill fear? What kind of message are we sending to our future generation when we just stand by and let it happen? Wake up people, our freedom is slowly slipping away!

Posted by: Bill Location: Florida on Sep 19, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Lock this cop up! Now, Before he assaults more citizens. He lied on camera that HE was the one assaulted. Lock him up.

Posted by: BM Location: Indiana on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:59 PM
I think this officer went too far and should be punished. However, I am not a fan of the Snyders. Any person that does not take care of their children money wise or just being a dad is a LOSER!!! The reflection in the glass shows what the officer did.

Posted by: Patrick Location: Arizona on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:35 PM
America has turned into a Nazi police state. It is bad enough that police are allowed to assault innocent citizens. However, the most disturbing thing is the apathy of our citizens toward taking back our constitution and bill of rights. There is more interest in OJ, Brittany and the next American Idol than fighting for our freedom. Tragically, by the time most of our citizens wake up, the America that we loved will be gone. Is this the legacy we want to pass on to our children and grand children?

Posted by: Brooke Location: Syracuse, IN on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:11 PM
It's CLEAR the police officer is in the wrong. Even more disturbing is the fact that the police officer decided he had to follow him out and THEN attack him. He couldn't attack him in the room full of people. This guy is in the wrong and if something does not happen to the guy then this world has truly gone down the drain. How do we keep standing for this? The police are the people we are supposed to call when we are in danger but now, they are the danger.

Posted by: Francis Coplen Location: Argos on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:08 PM
It looks by police went to far .

Posted by: joe Location: michigan city on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:08 PM
that officer needs to be fired and arrested for violating his oath of office and assault . unbaleavable to see public servants act like german ss

Posted by: toby Location: granger on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:07 PM
A scumbag gets what he deserves for once...justice is served.

Posted by: Valerie Location: Oregon on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:05 PM
"We don't follow Roberts Rules here" As the Nazi woman leader, eggs the council member, to silence Snyder in his efforts to be democratic. Roseland and its Mob, Thug mentality is exactly what is wrong with America. We can hear the cop saying "Who hit you Snyder?" Snyder was holding a tripod and video cam on his way out the door, yet this paid off police man says Snyder got a punch in, as he was being shoved out the door. What a coward. His lord and master Ted Penn should be sharing a jail cell with him. The world is watching Roseland. Justice is not a popularity contest, put your loyalties aside and punish the right people, that criminal cop and council leader who refuses to follow Robert's Rules.

Posted by: Mike J Location: G. Rap on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:03 PM
This video is comical Seanile old fart !!!! And these people run township government no wonder we have a president Like Bush!!

Posted by: Jonathan Location: massachusetts on Sep 19, 2007 at 09:47 PM
When will this police brutality end? That fat pig of a cop should be charged with battery and fired from the police force. COPS ARE NOT GODS!!! Wake up! That gestapo thug should be tested for Twinkies in his bloodstream not steroids based on his physique.

Posted by: Cal Location: Plymouth on Sep 19, 2007 at 09:36 PM
I hope that offier end up in jail. I am disgusted. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! He is a disgrace to the badge he wears. A common thug, a common bully. I am absolutely disgusted with him. He should be fired immediately. What is the US coming to that Police Officers can act this way?

Posted by: John Location: Palo Alto, CA on Sep 19, 2007 at 09:32 PM
Disgusting!! Blatant assault by a police officer. Snyder simply said something that the officer did not like, and the officer assaulted him. There was no need for that kind of action by the officer. This is why we must NEVER, NEVER allow anyone to take away our right to use cameras to film the police. They use cameras on the public and the public, and they must be held accountable to the video tape as well.

Posted by: James Location: Redmond Oregon on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:59 PM
Without knowing what led up to the difference of opinion in chambers, the video clearly shows Mr. Snyder exiting peacefully, both hands full and with no animosity or aggression, equally clear that Marshal Tiller shoved Mr. Snyder without cause, and the reflected image is not consistent with Snyder having raised a hand to TIller. Marshal Jack Tiller lied about what happened, and needs immediately removed from law enforcement service and permanently barred from any future LE or "security" work - period. The other officer present may either testify in Mr. Snyder's behalf or be realeased from further service. The "shock treatment" administered to Mr. Snyder is more and more common in our land, and must cease immediately since it is not what we employ police to do. We, as Americans, will not tolerate such violent behavior from anyone.

Posted by: David Location: Seymour Tn on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:38 PM
It was obvious the fat officer lied when he denied hitting Snyder, saying he tripped and fail down. You could see he struck Snyder multiple times, and for know reason. The people who witnessed this travesty should have attacked Mr. Police and said ohhh did you fall down. The cop should be fired, and arrested for assault and battery and the other cops should be cited for not stopping a crime in progress. This is typical behavior of cops,, they will watch while one of their own breaks the law yet beat the crap out of, and arrest some one else for nothing. This is why I have no respect for the police. They all are the same,, Nation wide. And when the individual said to mind your own business, that person should have been told this is mine and everyones business. Its a civic duty to stand up to and stop out of control dirty cops.

Posted by: N Location: Indiana on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:28 PM
Boy, if you ever want to get a feel for what the IQ of a general area may be, just read comments posted by people on WNDU.com. All I see and read is basically translated into DEERRRRRR DEEERRRRRRR!!!

Posted by: Dan Location: Virginia on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:20 PM
After watching the video it is clear the officer was the one being aggressive. There may have been a verbal assault on the officer but I did not see physical assault on the officer. The video does not lie and the police office did lie when he said Snyder hit him first. This is clearly police brutality. The officer should be charged with first degree assault. He should loose his job because of this.

Posted by: Steve Krause Location: Seattle on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:17 PM
Kayla, I bet if that had been you on the ground getting beaten you would have a different outlook on this. Don't tell people to mind their own business. That's like telling someone that they should not be involved in polotics b/c they don't live in D.C. Get a clue. Your comment is way more ignorant than ANY of these people commenting on this incident. You may stae your opinion but do not talk down to tohers offering theirs please.

Posted by: matthew Location: columbus,oh on Sep 19, 2007 at 07:37 PM
If you calling this a "rumble" is a poor choice of words.. a man leaving the scene peacfully, no matter what he says, doesn't give any cop, in fact a overweight bully like that one, the right to push him down, and start pummeling him,,I don't care what the person said to him.. I think that the cop should be tested for steroids and any other substance that would make him take out his frustrations on someone. Then to mock him while he's on the ground handcuffed, saying "did you trip?" , I'm sick of this mayberry big fish in a little pond crap. I just want to spit nails seeing stuff like this.

Posted by: DRUMS of WAR Location: All Across America on Sep 19, 2007 at 07:14 PM
For the past five years, U.S. government law enforcement agencies have threatened, terrorized, injured and killed more Americans than Al Qaeda. It's pretty clear who the real terrorists are. It's about time the good cops step up and become great cops by ridding their departments of these rogue sociopaths. Every cop on every force on the planet knows who the bad seeds are. Shame on them for letting this continue. Serve and protect? Yeah, right.

Posted by: David Location: Portland, Oregon on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:40 PM
I heard about this through national news. The officer that attacked Mr Snyder, should be on leave without pay, and had NO REASON to beat on an old man. If I were Mr Snyder, I'd file a complaint against the officer, then aggressively pursue a TORT claim against the Officer, City and County. This is TOTALLY Pathetic. How can your City's Citizens try to Run Mr Snyder out of town? What the Heck is going on there? Talk about a POLICE State and total Corruption! This is Sickening. God Help us all.

Posted by: Had Enough Location: Roseland on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:36 PM
I hope David Snyder gets every last penny from your county in a law suit against that sheriff, Ted Penn and all of you traitors to the United States. Shame shame shame on you and your nazi goons. Put the nazis in jail where they belong. All this conditioning us to accept tasering, militarized cops beating and then lying and accusing the person you assault has got to stop now. None of us should accept this behavior.

Posted by: Kayla Location: South Bend on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Like i said before if you don't live around here or know the Snyders MIND YOUR OWN BUISNESS he got what he deserved actually he should have got beaten so bad he would be scared to come back to Roseland!!!! I have no remorse for what happen to this nast man and if you don't know him or know about him stay out of it because you don't know whats going on in the town of Roseland since he has been invovled

Posted by: Very Angry Location: Granger on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Just had a thought........ So if someone loses it, we can now refer to it as "Going Tiller" rather than "Going Postal"?

Posted by: Doug Location: Ohio on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Police Brutality – Period! You see the officer react to this jerk who insulted him, by calling him a bully. Well it takes a big man to deal with straight talk and if this criminal cop could not handle it (verbal insult) he should not have a badge. Real cops deal with verbal abuse all day. This cop needs to go to jail for beating a jerk physically. This councilman posed no physical threat to the officer, only verbally to his ego. Send this cop to jail…Please!

Posted by: terry Location: michigan on Sep 19, 2007 at 06:24 PM
cops are some of the dumbest people in this country ,they should be exterminated !

Posted by: shannon Location: Hawaii on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:50 PM
What a disgusting pigs those cops are, that is the trouble with this country, the gestopo is now in charge and Hitler is the president.

Posted by: norton Location: texas on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:40 PM
the cop should be locked up........typical fat, dumb cop. How did he get a badge!!!!?

Posted by: Charles Location: Austin, TX on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:17 PM
This is astonishing. I have been trying to read some of the other comments that were left on here and there is one that just completely blows my mind. Whoever this Julie character is is completely brain washed and it makes me sick to my stomach. You say you can't see how the whole thing started? OPEN YOUR EYES. It's on video tape. And you say that this type of stuff happens everywhere the Snyder's are at? Maybe thats because the Snyder's are the only ones in your town that are trying to expose all of you corrupt citizens and officials. Go ahead Julie, remain asleep like you have been your whole life. Continue to ruin and turn this country into the fascist nation that you allowed it to become. You are obviously someone who doesn't believe in our constitution or anything that it stands for. You should run for office.

Posted by: anna Location: nottingham on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:14 PM
No matter what the situation, its very obvious that he was set upon by the police officer. This is becoming more common. The police have a difficult job, but they are losing public suport when they act like this. This policeman should be suspended and disciplined.

Posted by: janice Location: mishawaka on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:04 PM
I think the town of roseland should just get rid of all the town counsil people and be like a normal town! i think that dave & his wife just think every thing is just a joke so that can get on tv or there name in the paper. it is time to "GROW-UP"!!!

Posted by: Casey Location: San Marcos, Texas on Sep 19, 2007 at 05:01 PM
I cannot believe what they did to him. That is police brutality by the definition right there. The cops should have told the lady whining about her daddy to shut up and eat her words. I bet she felt so tough. That cop needs to be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of assault with intent to injure. From what I could see David was the calm, sensible one, and the chairman and the whining lady were the instigators. This is another example of how every police officer now thinks. They are not taught to respect or enforce the constitution, but to suppress our civil liberties. God Bless David Snyder.

Posted by: Dan Location: Dallas on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:59 PM
Just another example of the impending military police state where police brutality runs rampant.

Posted by: Brett Location: Lafayette, LA on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:49 PM
Ted Penn is full of it, he's lying through his teeth. he says David hit Tiller with his handcuffed hands... we can PLAINLY see that handcuffs weren't even put on him until AFTER the altercation. The video also shows it started with the cop shoving him from behind.

Posted by: Eddie Location: Walnut Creek, CA on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:14 PM
Marshall Jack Tiller should be relieved of duty, stripped of hig gun and badge, and be charged with assualt, battery, perjury in cionnection with an investigation. The Roseland PD should immediately investigate this incident, apologize to the Snyder family and Dan Snyder in particular.

Posted by: dave Location: walkerton on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:12 PM
what this cop did was criminal! i cant believe he is not in jail yet.it was clear that he was beating on snyder. the only thing missing was the tazer!!! what happened to snyders right to speak at the meeting?it was all wrong ! wndu thanks for the video. this beats u tube all to heck!!! i think snyder is a jerk but even jerks have rights!! i say be put both of these guys in the bubba gone and let them duke it out! i love the drama please please please report on this every night! this is greattttt!bubba the love sponge lives on!

Posted by: J Sims Location: CA on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:06 PM
If you look in the raw footage, you can see in the reflection of the glass outside the door of when the officer attacks the man and pushes him straight into the glass door knocking it open, probably also knocking the guy unconcious. Too bad police brutality keeps happening. They should take all thing like the very seriously and punish the officers severely for this behavior and actions.

Posted by: steve Location: new york on Sep 19, 2007 at 03:50 PM
You can see form the reflection on the case just outside the door that from the the time the officer started shoveing Mr Snyder to the other door opening was one fluid motion. It doesn't appear there was any offensive action taken by Mr Snyder. A normal defensive "reaction" may have happened in that time, but it is clear the assualt was one sided an the officer was the aggressor. We as civilians NEED t6o quit tolerating this from OUR public SERVANTS ?????Know I have no idea who Mr Snyder is he may be the biggest JERK in town, But this type of force and brutality is unjest. It seems to be a growing trend in America though and it needs to end.

Posted by: Hank Location: NY on Sep 19, 2007 at 03:37 PM
Police brutality, no doubt. Wake up America, stuff like that is not supposed to happen in a free democracy. It should be the exception and the officer put in jail. But why is it that it´s always the bald, fat bully cops getting so violent?

Posted by: Marie Location: Roseland on Sep 19, 2007 at 03:20 PM
mike lawson We just want Penn and his nasty ugly people to stop. David Snyder is the third generation of Snyders in Roseland. David Snyder was born in Roseland 55 years ago. Ted Penn, wife and that psycho daughter needs to stop picking on people. The 10 years they have lived in Roseland they have lied and manipulated to get a victim. Prior to the Snyders it was Marshall Kuskey who was not corrupt like Jack Tiller. Because they couldnt control or use him they tried to run him out of town. NOW DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? Next the Penns began to attack the Roseland Citizens Association and they ruined that no town wide yard sales or childrens parties because fo them. Then as more felons moved to Roseland they used them to attack the Snyders adn Gridley. When the Penns are stopped Roseland will be a better place because the truth is coming out now and they cant lie about this one any longer.

Posted by: clark Location: Richmond, Va on Sep 19, 2007 at 03:20 PM
I have an idea, since you people love police brutality so much maybe we should give up all our rights and become the cops' slaves. Wouldn't it be great if there was no constitution?...and wouldn't it be awesome if cops everywhere just started "jumping" us from behind and claiming we started it? Oh man, how exciting that would be...maybe we should give them all tasers and turn in our guns so they can feel more comfortable with their boots on our necks. Wouldn't it be fun getting tased and squirming around on the ground in agony until they get bored with the torture?! Oh I can't wait! All we have to do is continue to allow this type of thing to happen, and continue to make excuses for corruption. Keep up the good work people of Roseland, soon we'll all have the priviledge of having our faces pushed against the concrete and our heads bashed in! I can see the light at the end of the tunnel-keep giving up your rights and condoning these acts! prisonplanet.com

Posted by: American Jack Location: DC on Sep 19, 2007 at 02:50 PM
Cop should be in prison.

Posted by: E Goldstein on Sep 19, 2007 at 02:48 PM
The police officer should be put in jail for failing to exercise proper judgement and respecting the authority which he was given as a sworn public servant. And Snyder? He deserves his day in court - as a plaintiff - and after all is said and done, perhaps he ought to learn some manners. Even sociopaths (like some of our corrupt police officers) react well to being treated pleasantly. Just because it's your right to act like a fool, doesnt mean you ought to do so.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 19, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Does anyone know if Tiller has had any action taken against him?

Posted by: Jerry Location: South Bend on Sep 19, 2007 at 02:23 PM
To Julie in Rochester, there was never any need for force to start with. Tiller got mad and slammed him through the door, jumped on him and bashed him. That's police brutality. When Snyder asked Tiller "Who hit you Jack?" it wasn't tauting Tiller, it was in response to a Tiller told right before that. Also, Snyder didn't say that he wished they had ton his rotator cuff, he said "at least you guys didn't tear my rotator cuff like Jack did my wife's."

Posted by: John Location: Palm Beach, Florida on Sep 19, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Shame on you people for condoning such behavior. It is ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR from the video that this gentleman was assaulted by the officer. You may not like him or even agree with what he has to say, but he has rights as a US Citizen that WERE MORE THAN VIOLATED by this officer. He should absolutely sue this officer and the town. This was not a fight, this was a guy who got up and left as he was asked to do, and as he is walking out he turns to the officer walking behind him and calls him a bully, which sets the officer on a rampage. The officer assaults him, punching him while he is clearly on his stomach from being shoved down to the ground. WHAT IS EVEN MORE REPULSIVE IS THE SPECTATORS WHO ARE CHEERING IT ON... "YEAH, GET HIM FOR MY DAD"... WHAT THE HELL IS THAT. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mike lawson Location: southbend on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:37 PM
i live just down the road from roseland and have lived in michigan before that. i ve and seen news of snyderville and think to end the drama tom snyder ought to just flat out leave and take his wife with him it would probably be more peaceful place to live for the residents

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Elkhart on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:36 PM
The roseland police have no memmory of this situation. I'm not saying how i know this but the ENTIRE roseland police (farce) has no recolection of this situation, call them. ask them about this situation---they don't know who David snyder is --they don't know who the town marshall is.. They play dumb when you want to talk to them about this .

Posted by: Denny Location: Saint Peters, MO on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Cleary police brutality. First, the man is carrying to objects in both hands. Someone says, "See you in hell" and then the fascist cop grabs him and throws him through the door and onto the ground. He never had the opportunity to hit him. For all of you justifying this cops actions, actions like this are only justified in a totalitarian nation; thanks for helping it along. And to Julie: You CAN clearly see how it starts! The cop assaulted him. Make sure you have your eyes OPEN when you watch the video

Posted by: Kenneth Location: KY on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:13 PM
The guy tries to expose corruption within the city & it's department's and this is what he gets. Welcome to your democractic society you filth. You dropped a republic so that a majority could rule. Your laws are to be followed not by example, but through force and extortion. And now you think it's time to speak up, now it's time to fight back ? It's too late ! It's too late ! You should've did something when you had a chance ! You people have left a mess for my generation that is un-fixable even by revolution ! Welcome to your north amercan union, your new world order. You were warned, but you laughed and ridiculed those who did the warning. Now be a good slave and take your beating's.

Posted by: Julie Location: Rochester, In. on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:36 AM
David Snyder looks almost pleased with himself through this whole ordeal. He says he passed out and came to with Tiller beating him, but in the video you can clearly hear that he never shuts his mouth. He taunts with "who hit you Jack?","who hit you Jack?" And although you can't clearly see from the video how it started, it looked to me that once Jack Tiller had David's finally behind him so he could cuff him, it was over. The force was only used to subdue. Maybe Roseland has just had all they can take from the Snyders? It seems to me that this sort of thing only happens where ever they are. David Snyder even told the other officer he wished they had torn his rotator cup like they had Dorothy's when she was arrested. These people LIVE for the drama. Even more so seem to ENJOY pushing everyone around them over the edge & sucking them into it as well. Look how happy he seemed as they were putting him into the police car, and during the interview after he was relased from jail.Plain CRAZY!

Posted by: Cory Location: Orlando on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Ted Penn is a liar. He said that Snyder was in handcuffs as he was led out and attacked Tiller. This is not the case. Snyder was not placed in handcuffs until after he was beaten to the ground. Also, if you look at the tape, Tiller was pushing Snyder straight through the door, from moment he left the room. If you look at the reflection on the glass in the hall you can see that Tiller pushed him straight through the door and Snyder didn't hit him. The twisting that Penn is talking about only happened because of Tillers pushing of Snyder. Don't let these crooked cops lie to cover up their brutality. I for one think Tiller should be in jail. Man I dislike cops.

Posted by: David Location: Mishawaka on Sep 19, 2007 at 10:10 AM
I was a police officer for 10 years. I was called everything in the book by people I had ever detained or arrested. I have had people spit on me, use foul language and I NEVER, and I mean NEVER lost my cool. This Town Marshall (and I DO belive he is aggravated, no excuses) lost his self control and abused a man he was walking out of a meeting. I do not like David or Dorothy Snyder, BUT that gives no police officer the right to pound on someone who calls them a bully.

Posted by: Beverly Location: Middlebury on Sep 19, 2007 at 09:46 AM
Isn't time to get the Snyders out of Roseland. I have to wonder excatly what David Snyder said or did to instigate this whole incident. After watching the fiasco going on in Roseland for a couple of years now, I would think someone with some authority would just have them banned from all township meetings. There has to be a way. They are the most arrogant and ignorant people I think I have ever seen in a position such as theirs. I think they really just love the publicity they get everytime they are in the news. Come on Roseland residents get your town back and lose the instigators.

Posted by: Pam Location: Bremen on Sep 19, 2007 at 09:38 AM
Emotions and tension is very high. This is not a new thing, this town has been suffering at the hands of the Snyders for way too long. I do not agree with police brutaliy but I do give those policemen credit for working for $6.00 an hour. The Snyders are the reason that these men are working for less than they would make at a fast food restaurant. I'm sure that the officer did not behave in a way that he normally would but these other worries about providing for his family and living with worry about if and when he will ever make a living wage again surely play a part in his over-reaction to an unfortunate situation. The officer was wrong but so was David Snyder.

Posted by: Sue Location: South Bend on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:54 AM
I agree with an earlier comment: DRIVE SLOWLY THROUGH ROSELAND... YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT!

Posted by: Brian Location: Notre Dame on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:15 AM
First off, how pathetic to show a picture of Snyder with an exaggerated bandage. Just fuel for the annoying fire that is the Joke of Indiana...Roseland. Everyone is fed up with the adolescent antics that are continually allowed to go on there. Please, simply dissolve the town, incorporate it back to South Bend and let the people who live in that area rest comfortably knowing that their government leaders are someone other than "Homer an Marge Simpson."

Posted by: Kate Location: MI on Sep 19, 2007 at 08:15 AM
well, atleast if Mr. Snyder sues the town, he could possibly pay his child support. And what money is he even going to get? I thought the town was broke.

Posted by: Angus Location: Dorbie on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:34 AM
How unfortunate for Ted Penn that the video clearly demonstrated that he's a liar.

Posted by: Angus Location: Dorbie on Sep 19, 2007 at 04:26 AM
When will teh cop be charged with aggravated battery? He charged the guy from behind without provocation and as the local idiots all crowded in the doorway saying "get him for my dad" and "did you trip and fall" the cop punched him in the head as he was lying immobile and prone. That cop needs to go to jail and the people who have testified need to be investigated if there's any hope for justice in thsi case. He broke the law & assaulted the guy from behind as he was leaving without provocation. This and some of these comments make the whole town seem like a sewer infested with rats. Listen people, that could have been you, or maybe your kid, and when it's your turn maybe there won't be a camera to save you from years in jail due to the false testimony of a corrupt cop. Get a clue and throw that bum of a cop in jail and anyone else who bore false witness. This has nothing to do with whether you like the Snyder guy or not, this conduct is UNACCEPTABLE, don't you folks get it?

Posted by: brian katt Location: los angeles on Sep 19, 2007 at 03:13 AM
anyone who doesn't think this is blatant abuse by the police doesn't deserve their protection. Mr. Snyder did absolutely nothing wrong. He communicated vocally and without threat of violence, and he cooperated with the police. Really, if you see anything right with what the police did, just get out of my country. Cos you don't understand it, and you shouldn't be voting. I don't wish you harm or anything, but you just shouldn't be part of a healthy democracy. Even if you don't like Mr. Snyder, it doesn't matter... he didn't do anything IN THIS CASE to merit this treatment, and that's all that matters. I mean, anybody who can't see that, just wake... up!!!!!.

Posted by: Jim Location: Tennessee on Sep 19, 2007 at 02:13 AM
People think we're all "Walking Tall" and that garbage. The town residents who support the police should be ashamed of themselves. They would have made good little bookburners in Nazi Germany.

Posted by: ed Location: michigan on Sep 19, 2007 at 01:31 AM
only 50% in the poll indicate excessive force??? What is wrong with you people? I don't care if Mr. Snyder is the biggest idiot in the world, this is police brutality no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: skip Location: Tucson, az on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:59 AM
HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL!! Cops are out of control. Smile...your on candid camera!! Good thing that wasn't a John Kerry townhall meeting or that poor man would have been Tazered too!!

Posted by: John Location: Off Penn's Planet on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Ted Penn's account of what happened is clearly misleading. What took him a few minutes to explain, only took 15 seconds to happen. Also the video shows how fast they went through the door's, there's no way he seen every thing he's saying. JUST TELL THE TRUTH !!!

Posted by: Denise Location: New Paris on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:49 AM
This latest 'rumble in Roseland' is just one more embarrasing farce in the last several years of the Snyder's reign. I don't know how residents and businesses can stand it, because I'm appalled. It's obvious things have been very wrong for a long time there and I can hardly believe with all the controvesy, arrests and a financially broke town that this person is still allowed to be a council member. Is there no recourse to take someone out of such a position? They say truth is stranger than fiction and I think if this was a novel, folks would find it hard to believe. A little too much force? Maybe, but it looked like it was provoked. Someone from the state should step in, remove any power from the Snyders and stop this smear on our local government. They obviously thrive on the conflict and the publicity, no matter what. Kudos to the police for staying on the job without pay and the Snyders should have to pay them with their personal finances.

Posted by: Al Location: Elkhart on Sep 19, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Jennifer T: I'm sorry people unintentionally dragged your family into this. Perhaps your 9-year-old Jack Tiller should become the new Marshal Jack Tiller, since the current one doesn't even act half-that-age. I guess no one ever taught him how to "use his words." Better yet, why not get JOE Tiller. At least he might actually know something about real discipline. Oh yeah, I guess $6/hour would be a bit of a culture shock for a Big Ten college football coach.

Posted by: Jeff Location: LaPorte on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:35 PM
If Mr. Tiller was so adamant Mr. Synder broke the law then why did he not finish the arrest. Once Mr. Synder is cuffed and Tiller is out of breath from having to throw his weight around Tiller disappears. That alone shows he knows what he did was wrong. Just like a child when it realizes it is going to be punished for doing the wrong thing.

Posted by: jon Location: brooklyn, ny on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:22 PM
There are a lot of factors that contribute to situations like this, not least of which is that the national policies dominate the local policies, which in an age of anti-terrorist funding might mean that the money that goes to the community is unfairly balanced towards law enforcement, and that results in excessive enforcement that might exceed the percieved authority of the local government... people of small town Indiana, stop looking up towards the federal governments and start looking after your own interests!

Posted by: Judy Location: Plymouth on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:16 PM
I cannot believe that anyone seeing this video can not see that Marshall Jack Tiller provoked this incident. I hope that David Snyder is able to use this video to gain compensation and press charges against him. This Council Chair is truly a joke. If anyone from Roseland could go home and watch this video in their homes, I am sure that they would see what ignorant people they look like. I would be ashamed if any of my family saw me act like that. I cannot believe the Police are 'keeping order' in their town without SOME type of compensation. Where is it coming from if it is NOT from Roseland. Sounds like the guys are standing behind their "CHAIR" really well. He has to be nuts to think that anyone would want to put their money into that area. They are truly the joke of an area larger than Michiana. I know I wouldn't want my money invested there.

Posted by: Rodney King Location: Roseland on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Looks like a clear case of police brutality to me. The council is an embarrasment, the police are incompetent thugs, and insurance will pay--big time. The whole town will be safer with Tiller in jail.

Posted by: show me Location: the proof on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:55 PM
wndu has done a great a great job of exposing the troubled town but what has done to look into officer tillers background or what is the prosecuter doing about this cop and really has anybody found out if the cop is still on duty on real departments they suspend the officer with or without pay to investigate but in this case the officer hides and if the prosecuter doesnt do any thing for or against the officer you need to look closer at michiana politics even out side of roseland during election time there is alot of compitant politicians who could step up but have not or even offered verbal advice to help the town but the scariest thing is the way the whole thing happened on friday with yelling at snyder by the onlookers and the daughter of ted penn acting childish and the other two officers for being cowards to assist or stop the officer however the case may be anybody can look into the officers past with public info in elkhart or st.joseph co.get the facts then make your comments

Posted by: Common Sense Location: America on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Wow, with apologies to those of you with sense, the rest of you people that believe this officer (sic) should remain on duty are doing yourselves, your city, your state, and your country a grave disservice. Despite everything the Snyder's appear to have done, by condoning the behavior of this officer you are in fact stating it is OK for him to attack you, your spouse, or your children. All he or any other officers in your town will need is a reason to dislike you or your family. If you allow him to get away with this, I would be very very careful of your own behavior in the future.

Posted by: Laura Location: embarassed to be in the same state on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Unbe-stinkin-lievable. So this is what would happen if 2-year-olds were allowed to run "towns"...

Posted by: Keven Location: Roseland on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:15 PM
David Snyder needs to have ALL OF HIS CHARGES DROPPED. Mr. Snyder is a respected member of the community and this so called 'police officer' whom beat him up should have his badge pulled. The video clearly shows Mr.Snyder on his way out of the meeting, only to be shoved out the door and to the ground by an oppressive, angry policeman. This guy isn't even a cop in my eyes, he's a fascist angry PIG.

Posted by: Dave Location: St. Joseph on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Through half of this interview Mr. Snyder is like smiling, as if he is enjoying all of this publicity. There is a 5 - 6 seconds there where nobody (not even the camera) sees anything as the camera man is running up to the glass doors during the "incident." Knowing Snyders past history (he attacked Penn - didn't he?) I don't think it at all unlikely that he got a few shots in on the cop. Unfortunately, I really don't think we'll ever know the whole story since no one really saw the whole thing.

Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I’m hearing Tiller has been in contact with a lawyer and is trying to see if he can work on some type of plea agreement on charges that no doubt will be forthcoming. He knows his job is history, he’s just trying to avoid jail time. Even if Tiller walks, the rest of the town is not going to get off so lightly. Snyder will win a huge lawsuit against the city, you can mark that down. As for Ted Penn, he should resign for going on camera and lying like that. If he told the police that exact same “story” Penn might have some charges coming against him as well. Ted didn’t know the incident had been caught on video tape. Ted’s credibility (if he had any to start with) and reputation are completely ruined now. What a huge embarrassment, but it’s fortunate for the community that Penn was exposed for what he is.

Posted by: TC Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:35 PM
The video is bad enough but reading these comments. What is wrong with you people? The council chair was totally out of line, the police officers being good little robots then proceed to beat a man because they don't like what he says. Really tells you something about the mental faculties of your boys in blue. Get ready for a lawsuit and you've no one to blame but yourselves.

Posted by: carl Location: not roseland on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:05 PM
What a banana republic you guys are running. The video speaks for itself, Snyder shared words with Tiller and the 400lb clown took offense and beat the man down. As for Penn witnessing the incident see how his story changes when he is under oath in court, what an old coot. The only disappointment is that the town's liability insurance carrier and hence the citizens will pay the penalty for the council's and police officer's immature behavior. My seven year old behaves better!

Posted by: Rocko Location: Deerbrook, RI on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:39 PM
I use to live in "The Rose" and I can tell all of you that Snyder is a good man. He has tried to make things better in the community and all people do is run him down. There are liars on these threads who would say otherwise, but I assure you he is a very good man. That cop should be arrested and made to pay restitution to the Snyders. I pray that Snyder has his day in court and gets every penny of the towns money (now).

Posted by: Scott Location: DC on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:04 PM
You people run a town?...All of you need to grow up. Good luck when Mr. Snyder sues the crap out of the city and the cop.

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel Ind on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:41 PM
I think the video should be used as a classic example of how not to run a town meeting. I also think it should be shown to all new police inductees of how not to handle a situation. What’s holding up the authorities from charging Tiller with his crime?

Posted by: Kelly Location: Mishawaka on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:34 PM
The Snyders adn everybody else has the right to live where ever they want, as long as this is America. When the rights of one individual are compromised, then ALL that our forefathers sacrificed their lives for is for naught. Stand up and say no to the brutality of one against anyone, or fall for anything like what fools the council majority preaches. Charlei Shields and Ted Penn are liars from the word go, even as they are promising you the moon, they are plotting behind your back. Jack Tiller MUST be tried by a court of law for his crimes. I believe his fall has been coming from the minute he put the badge on, and enjoyed the power too much. Tiller's wife, like the wife before her, will get sick of it, and then it will be Tiller in jail for child support unless he gets another free attorney to take the children away from their mother so he doesn't have to pay child support. Lord have mercy on us all, and even Tiller.

Posted by: Beth Location: Fort Wayne on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:24 PM
The 400 pound clown with a badge shouldn't have a job anymore and should have been arrested by now for police brutality. There is absolutely no excuse for what happened here, that was disgusting, disgraceful and criminal. Ted Penn looked just as bad with his blatant lies, he should be arrested for false informing if he gave that fairytale to the police. And Penn's daughter - well this site won't let me use the word that best describes her. And the council president caused the entire thing with his ineptness of the rules, and his immature attitude. Snyder may not be well liked, but you idiots elected him, so therefore as a councilman he has a right to speak. Last time I checked, this was still America.

Posted by: Marilyn Location: Greenwood on Sep 18, 2007 at 04:04 PM
After watching all the videos, here’s my conclusion. The council president is incompetent, immature and doesn’t know how to run a council meeting, Ted Penn is liar, and Ted’s daughter might possibly be the most despicable person I’ve ever seen. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree there. Oh and as for Tiller, you unquestionably will lose your job and probably will spend some timew behind bars. And the people that some in the town hate (the Snyders) are going to end up with a lot of money from this incident.

Posted by: Phyllis Location: Granger on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:54 PM
I am so sick of hearing about the "Snyder's" he should be in jail - all he is after is the attention he is getting. Roseland would be a better place to live if they were out of the picture. They sound like "spoiled" kids.

Posted by: chirs Location: mishawaka on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:41 PM
i think david and dorothy snyder have caused alot of problems for the residents of roseland, but i don't feel david snyder deserved the beating he received. obvisously his hands were full of his belongings that there is no way he initiated the rumble. I feel the officer took an oath to serve and protect, i wander exactly if he understands what that means. I'm thinking not

Posted by: Edward Location: Evansville, IN on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:25 PM
One minute for a city councilman to speak? Removing a councilman for disagreeing? I served on our city council for many years and several of those as president. The council president was wrong and way out of line. What Snyder was saying before he was unconstitutionally kicked out of the meeting about Robert's Rules was 100% correct. That entire scene reminded me of something you might have seen in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Hard to believe that incident took place in America. That council president should resign immediately, he was wrong and he caused the entire incident to happen.

Posted by: Bo Location: LA on Sep 18, 2007 at 03:15 PM
No one hit or attacked the “cop” Tiller. The “cop” Tiller lied about being hit and the imbecile Penn is complicit with continuing the lie that the “cop” was attacked by Snyder. When will the “cop” Tiller be arrested and charged? What is taking so long? Are they having a hard time locating the cowardly “cop”? Have they looked underneath or behind the generously sized skirts of his wife? Arrest him already!

Posted by: Kayla Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 02:59 PM
Like i said before for everyone that doesn't live in Roseland or around Roseland mind your own buisness and keep your comments to yourself no understands what that nasty man in doing to our town so he gets whatever he deserves PERIOD!!!!

Posted by: Edward Location: Muncie on Sep 18, 2007 at 02:45 PM
Hey "LC in South Bend" - watch the tape. The guy never hit Mr. Rent-A-Cop at all. And every time I see the words "child support" I know one thing for sure. One person (or maybe two) is writing all these same messages against the Snyders. Whatever this guy's situation is on child support, it will be worked out in the courts. It has NOTHING to do with what happened in this council meeting. Tiller was not attacked, but he lost his cool and attacked the man. It's all on the tape. He'll be fired and hopefully sent to jail. The man you hate is going to win a huge judgement against your city's liability insurance policy, and then that company will triple your insrance rate - which you will all have to pay for with higher taxes. You can thank Tiller for that.

Posted by: don Location: southbend on Sep 18, 2007 at 02:22 PM
are you people crazy you cant see anything in the window grow up.

Posted by: Brian Location: Dowagiac on Sep 18, 2007 at 02:13 PM
What a joke. Once again David Snyder is in the media. He is playing the media outlets to his advantage. I ask you how many times in the past has David Snyder been in the right? Funnny how he cnat afford to pay to support his kids be he can drive a jaguar.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 01:41 PM
What I really question is the people attempting to pull on Tiller's arm to get him to stop. They seem to realize that there are cameras rolling and what Tiller is doing may not be appropriate. David said "Oh, the bully's back!" Jack pushed David. David may have tripped or stumbled or maybe Jack pushed him really hard. It look like Jack was trying to push him out the right hand door which as you can hear in the video doesn't open. Then David smacks into it instead of it opening. Jack thinks David is fighting back and starts trying to cuff him. David is not getting his hands behind his back as quickly as Tiller wants. As soon as David does, Jack stops smacking him. Either Jack hits like a girl or Snyder wasn't hit in the head. I think Jack lost it but not nearly as bad as I might have if I'd had to put up with Snyder's crap for years.

Posted by: Mark Location: Granger on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Dear LC, I guess you did not look close enough. Snyder did not hit Tiller; it was the other way around. Tiller should be in Jail with-out his $6.00/hr pay. I just do not understand why we let our police officers get away with this type of action. Have you ever And as for the child support, if one is in jail for something they can't bond out if they owe child support, well at least an ex friend of mine was not able to. I don't want to sound like I like the Snyder's because they are a joke yes but right is right- Tiller needs to go!

Posted by: seaminer Location: Oregon on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Unbelievable! Looks like he'll be able to pay off his child support now. I hope the cop and the city have good insurance because they are going to need it. If you move the movie frame by frame you can see the officers hand go to David's right shoulder and shove him into the door. It might be possible that the officer was hit by the camera but it was because he shoved him so hard that the hand with camera flew back and hit the officer. It wasn't done by him swinging it intentionally at the officer. That officer needs to look for a different type of employment.

Posted by: AJ Location: Mishawaka on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Ok now I get the whole Snyder sagu,But lets give this a rest.I Believe the state should decide to make roseland part of Southbend,fire the whole council.Start fresh with a whole new council with none of the current members,family on the new council.I believe a fresh start is exactally what this town needs to get out of the joke status.

Posted by: Jack Location: FL on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:55 AM
That raw video shows blatant police brutality. What is even more sick is the response from Mr. Penn, a city official stating he saw Mr. Snyder hit Marshal Tiller first. You can clearly see Tiller shove Snyder's back through the door. Even though it appears that the struggle is off camera you can easily discern the whole event in one fluid motion using the reflection in the glass to the right of the screen. Clearly Tiller pushed him from the back - slammed through the doors onto the deck - and proceeds to mount his back and punch him. The fact the this is on film with this many witnesses accompanied by false statements from elected officials make it that much more disturbing.

Posted by: annonymous Location: roseland on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:50 AM
ted penn is such a liar its embarrassing to think we have another idiot on our council but then his idiots voted him there. the video clearly shows what happened yet he makes his own little story from out of his own tiny little mind!!! He has another case against snyder coming up and i bet that came from his tiny little mind too!! Penn why dont u join the snyders and GET OUT OF ROSELAND!!!

Posted by: J. Walter Location: Galien, MI on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:41 AM
First of all the Roseland Council need to stop playing games with the Snyders. These people make their own troubles. They are costing Roseland so much in this communities' future just by the negative publicity. The council members need to keep their cool and not get so upset. Snyder is an idiot. He needs to pay his child support! How can he run a community when he can't even put his own life in order? Actually, I'm getting tired of hearing about the Snyders.

Posted by: LUCAS F Location: MISHAWAKA on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:37 AM
This is just a joke. Not only are there questions about the accounting of the town. But now the same people that are in place to provide guidance to the town are going to sue. The Snyders may have been assaulted in this case but how much longer is this going to continue. Someone is going to get hurt seriously bad. Every situation has escalated to even higher extremes. Stop this madness! The Snyders' need to leave this community.

Posted by: Paula Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:26 AM
It sure is funny that David and his wife are always the source off some negative story. Well I guess we should all look at their personal lives. Maybe David should put as much effort into paying child support as he does in causing problems for Roseland. If Roseland didn't have to put out so much money for legal fees because of him and his wifeee their would be money for paying other things. Every since the Snyders have had anything to do with the Roseland government offices it has been nothing but a disgrace. If they care about Roseland at all maybe they should just both walk away. Then maybe there will be money to pay the police officers. Until they are out of the picture Roseland isn't going to amount to anything except good topics for negative discussions.

Posted by: Julie Location: Elkhart on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Its sad that the situation in Roseland has come to this. The goal of the town council has vanished. The city is pretty close to that as well. From all I have seen the adults that are on the council act like children. Someone with common sense needs to step in and take over. It should have never gotten this far. Sure on the news it looks like a big joke. But there are many that are suffering from the laughs. The cop was out of line for what he did..even if David said things to him, who is the adult in the situation? What is the cop teaching kids? The situation is bad, and I hope someone steps in and takes the adult approach.

Posted by: Tina Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Roseland is a true wart on St. Joseph county. Mr. & Mrs. Snyder.....idiots. I believe the entire mile of Roseland should be absorbed into South Bend. The small community cant make budget? Everone is odd with one another. Totally pathetic. The officer was totally out of line. He has a professional duty to ignore stupid comments that I know Mr. Snyder threw at him. He knew better but there is police reclessness everyday it just usually happens to the black community and most people don't care. Roseland should be abolished, if they cant pay for police and run a simple meeting without insults and video cameras everywhere...let it go. You people don't even have a school system...It appears that you are all crabby, stuborn people who just cant get along. Mr. Snyder...pay your darn child support!

Posted by: hs Location: south bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:37 AM
I am sure David Snyder provoked the officer and things that he said or did where not caught on camera. The Snyders are always make themselves look like the "victims" and all they have done is given Roseland a bad name. Hopefully David Snyder will be removed from council in December although I am sure they will still be around. I just find it funny that when Dorothy was in council no one was allowed a camera or video tape and not even given the chance to speak without being removed the meetings but as soon as she got removed, there she sat with her little camera. How does it feel Snyder's to be treated like you treated the other people!!!! Wish she and her husband would just disappear. They disgust me and him even more for not supporting his kids....this man needs to grow up!

Posted by: Silly Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 10:18 AM
This whole debate is silly. Stop resisting. You people are acting like that officer didn't tell him he was under arrest or demand he put his hands behind his back. This force is neccessary when dealing with criminals and people who assault the Police. If Snyder had his hands behind his back to begin with like everyone knows you are supposed to do, this wouldn't have happened. The only reason you are outraged is cause it was on tape. If you could see half the arrests made you would still cry for the crack dealer who broke into your home and sold dope to your kid.

Posted by: Anne Location: Goshen on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:58 AM
I cannot understand why these people don't leave where they are not wanted. They are mean and cruel and do not see what they are doing to the community. It is a shame so much time is being taken up on them when Roseland is in trouble in so many areas. It is now impacting the economy with the withdrawal of potential investors.

Posted by: n Location: doesn't matter on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:42 AM
Oh my god, Tiller is a liar, thier is no way that Snyder hit him, snyders hands were full, tiller is a liar and should be the one in jail. I don't even like the snyders but that is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jk Location: Gosehn on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:10 AM
The video seems to be inconclusive. What I can see is Mr. Snyder being pushed then nothing except what is reflected in the glass case. It appears that the officer was taking Mr. Snyder to the ground. As a correctional officer I have seen many uses of force. What is unclear is if the officer was giving verbal commands to Mr. Snyder. The only reason for the blows to Mr. Snyder during handcuffing would be if Mr. Snyder was refusing to give up his arms that would be resisting and the officer should have been yelling to Mr. Snyder to stop resisting. Overall like I said the video is inconclusive. However based on what I saw it would seem that the officer used excessive force. Mr. Snyder is a smaller guy and there were two officers they should have been able to get Mr. Snyder to comply without so much force. Basic law enforcement skills teach that you meet the level of resistance. If Mr. Snyder was resisting the officer did have the right to do what he reasonable to gain compliance.

Posted by: ian Location: southbend on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:06 AM
Snyder wake up and smell the coffee..... stop whinning like a little boy.

Posted by: TAXPAYER Location: SOUTH BEND on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:06 AM
David Snyder is such a Whiney Loooser, like child looking for attention IF anything Roseland is being held hostage by a Rogue Husband & Wife team the Snyders what a bunch of misfits , I would be truly ashamed to be associatedwith the town of Roseland. These folks should gather up a petition to have the Snyders evicted from the town as Trouble makers. And yeah David get a job and support those poor children you help concieve. Channel you energy towards your children not making trouble that you cannot back up. Go Mr Tiller for doing your Job.

Posted by: Tim Location: Elkhart on Sep 18, 2007 at 09:02 AM
The video shows a clear display of excessive force -- police brutality. Tiller should be immediately removed from his post and never serve in law enforcement again. Doesn't the Indiana State Police investigate these kinds of cases that clearly cannot be managed internally? Sure, David Snyder has publicly shown -- let's say -- a lack of maturity in Roseland politics (as has apparently most everyone else associated with the city's politics). But that clearly didn't justify this "officer's" actions (I use the word "officer" loosely).

Posted by: Vron Mishler Location: bristol In. on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:54 AM
I watched t/video w/interest, 1st the fat man at the table started the incident, @ had no right to wield that kind of power to just throw out someone, 2nd the FAT officer went way overboard, from what the video showed he thought he was OFF camera and used Gestpo tactics, the man arrested Had NO time to throw a punch !The officer had the man on the ground and he was NOT fighting Back yet this officer struck him again and again, in my opinion this offcer should not be suspended BUT FIRED..it was a clear case of Police brutality..and the man on the ground should sue the city of Roseland for every penny they have. Does this Video show roselands Finest..No it shows not one but 2 bullies that Senile Old man Who thinks he's God..And a man that is supposed to Protect and Serve, Beating a citezen, the second he thought he was off camera , I hope the Abused gets All the CASH he can get, and this so called officer should be Fired NOW he is the type that smerch the Good officers that are out there.

Posted by: Shane Sult Location: Clay Township on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:44 AM
How much longer is the local or state goverment going to allow such foolishness in this small town of Roseland. It is an embaresment to most peolpe living eithe near or in St Joseph County. Look at all the tax dollars that are being wasted in the courts and all the development money that is going else where. It is time someone or some party takes control before someone really gets hurt.

Posted by: Very Angry Location: Granger on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:28 AM
Another day has passed. Tiller is still loose with a gun and a badge. Be Afraid people, be very Afraid. By their inaction, the local authorities have condoned police brutality of this magnitude. If you are in Saint Joseph county, be very careful, open season on citizens has just been declared. No one will protect you. Those who are meant to protect you have just been given Carte Blanche to do as they wish with you. Prove me wrong - let me see Tiller's gun and badge removed. Unfortunately we all know this will never happen. Be Afraid. Get Angry. Demand Justice... Or just continue to whine about Snyders Jag and child support while your constitutional righrs and protections continue to deteriorate before your very eyes. Think about it. Who would you call if you were brutalized like that? Would they care? Would they protect you? They haven't done anything while the whole world is watching. -What do you think would happen if no one were watching? Overcome the shallow gene pool and Think!

Posted by: EH on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:25 AM
DOROTHY, PEOPLE AREN'T WORRIED ABOUT THE POLICE IN ROSELAND. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME TO ROSELAND TO LIVE OR EVEN VISIT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT A COUPLE OF THIEVING DEGENERATES NAMED SNYDER.

Posted by: LC Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 08:12 AM
Get off Tiller's back. He did what he needed to do. Don't hit cops and you won't get hit back. You got what you deserved Snyder. And lose that stupid bandage on your head, you aren't that hurt. You are a wimpy wimpy man. I cannot stand a whiner. That would be you Snyder. Can you please step down now.. oh and go pay your child support LOSER!

Posted by: Danika Location: Edwardsburg on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:59 AM
Ahem.... What do you expect for $6.00 an hour police officer? Sheesh- They have run this town to the ground and out of money- and I guess THEY will continue to do so now-- just with out any officers!! The Snyder's bring on the trouble incident after incident after incident. He was looking for a lawsuit- after all- the donations for his child support are running low if not out- this is obviously a pig headed man and a NOTHING father- all he wants people to think is “Poor David Snyder!" Maybe wrong with the police officer- but I would say this guy had it coming in one form or another! Just leave already- if he truly cared for the community of Roseland he can CLEARLY see he is an EXTREMELY NON-PRODUCTIVE and costly member to this council- give the town what they want and GO AWAY! Just step down and focus earning money the old fashion way- by working for it to pay your child support!

Posted by: nurse Location: thank GOD not Roseland on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:47 AM
this place is a joke, the board members are a joke. Put a fence around the town and let 'em fight it out until there is no one left. Really, does anyone want these imbeciles joining the South Bend/Mishawaka area???? Aren't there enough bad seeds already?

Posted by: Carol Location: Mishawaka on Sep 18, 2007 at 07:24 AM
The people of Roseland need to grow up! This officer needs to be fired & charged with brutality. He should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again. And after listening to the video whoever the gentleman was that asked David Snyder if he fell? Give me a break! He was pushed to the ground!

Posted by: Elkhart Citizan Location: Elkhart Indiana on Sep 18, 2007 at 06:13 AM
Hmm must have alot of history of abuse cases hidden in Roseland. I'm not correct but the one officer who tried to help or look at David in the news for domestic battery a while back? Maybe the press needs to look further an see how many times things get swept under the carpet, Does "Jack" have a history?? aww maybe "Jack" will fall down after this mess. An if you listen to the tape Jacks wife trys to bock the camera and said oh I am a witness. Yeah right you have over 1000 witnesses who can clearly see from the reflection and Jacks first moves he is the one who started it not David Snyder. Get a grip and face the music. If that was any other joe blow citizen the prosecutor would of had us locked up by now.

Posted by: Bryen Location: Elkhart on Sep 18, 2007 at 01:17 AM
The entire Roseland situation is a complete embarassment to everyone in Michiana! I for one would not want my business associated with Roseland. After reviewing the video of Mr. Tiller, I believe he should be fired for excessive force. The video clearly shows him striking Snyder twice to the head once he was already pinned down. It was always my belief that an officer was never to strike a person in the head unless they presented a clear danger to the officer's life. At least that's what a friend of mine in the Elkhart cadet program has informed me.

Posted by: JG Location: Las Vegas, NV on Sep 18, 2007 at 01:02 AM
How embarassing to Roseland, we are hearing about this all the way 2000 miles away in LAS VEGAS. Heck, our cops don't even beat on our homeless people like the Roseland cops beat on this guy. Yeah Snyder is an idiot but he didn't deserve that.

Posted by: anonymous Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 01:01 AM
Let's get the kids from Kid Nation over here to run Roseland! The children that are there now are not doing so well.

Posted by: Dan Location: Sturgis Michigan on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:57 AM
I wrote an email to Mr. Tiller asking him for his side of the story. It went ignored. He knows he was wrong, and that is why he is not saying anything. He is a coward and a chicken. He is less than a man. If he really felt what he did was right, then he should stand up for himself. He should not hide behind his wife. It just goes to show his character. It is easy to beat up on someone half his size. It is hard to man up and face the music. What a joke and a coward. Do yourself a favor and just turn your badge in. If you can't even stand up for yourself, then you can not stand up for law and justice. I will say it once again. You, little boy Tiller, are a coward.

Posted by: Cappy Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:57 AM
It was ALL a conspiracy. It was the man on the GRASSY KNOLL that really started it. When will we ever grow up and care about something worthwhile??

Posted by: Sean Location: South Bend on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:55 AM
After watching the video about 30 times, I find it hard to believe that Mr. Snyder assaulted the officer. If you watch the video, as Mr. Snyder is entering the hallway, he is pushed by Tiller and the rumble begins. I don't believe that Snyder could have done anything to Tiller in the few seconds before he was taken down. And with one hand holding the camera tripod, the mechanics just don't add up. I believe that this video just shows excessive force and violence by the Roseland Police and should be investigated internally. Snyder should sue the town of Roseland. South Bend should annex the town and and end these issues.

Posted by: Brandon Location: Niles on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:54 AM
I am not a resident of Roseland, but a neighbor to the north in Niles. I am appaled and disapointed in the actions of the Roseland town council, Roseland Police, and any other Roseland adult resident who participates in these ridicoulous drama fueled event which continue to attract negative attention to the Roseland area. If people would not encourage the drama it will eventually put itself to rest. As a high school teacher, it makes me sad that not only my students, but every student in the Michiana area has to witness adults displaying a high level of ignorance. How can we expect our students to get a long peacefully if the "so called government leaders" can not behave in an adult like way! Overall the main message is that all residents of Roseland need to stop the unwanted drama and look at the bigger picture which is our youth and begin to lead by example and start acting like mature adults! As for the police officer, he definitly needs to be punished for using excessive force!

Posted by: Shawn Location: Elkhart on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:25 AM
That woman cheering on the police brutality and constantly mouthing off was the biggest idiot in the video. Can you imagine that being your wife or mom? I’d kill myself. She’s most likely the same person writing all these stupid posts about child support, which has NOTHING to do with what happened at this meeting.

Posted by: Keith Location: Connersville on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Go back and look at the tape. The councliman DOES give Snyder the floor, but then tries to limit him to one minute, which is stupid and against all rules I know of governing such meetings. Then, the council president claims he never gave him him the floor at all but he's wrong, he did. Snyder was right to protest and he is correct in what he is saying. However, both guys acted like smart-alec little kids. Throwing a fellow councilman out of the meeting was a severe overaction and the council president looked like a little boy telling him mommie to make the other boy go home. The entire incident was quite un-American and unconstitutional. Snyder was right when he turned and called the council president Hitler. That town is run by a group of idiots.

Posted by: Steve Location: Fort Wayne, IN on Sep 18, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Some people just shouldn’t be a police officer and Jack Tiller is one of those people. If he would go postal on a guy for that - in front of all those people, imagine what he’s capable of when it’s just him and one other person alone.

Posted by: Kim Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:50 PM
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. This would be a great Springer espisode. I thought the Snyders were the cause. After watching the videos (in disbelief), I now believe they may have little merrit. Ted Penn, you are such a liar. I would like to see what Judge Judy would say to you. My father is a retired police officer and I normaly take the side of the law. Jack Tiller needs to have his badge taken away. Loose cannon who believes he's above the law.

Posted by: Dan Location: Osceola on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Not to say that the start of the altercation is clearly caused by Snyder but if you look closely at his arms on the ground, he was clearly resisting by holding them underneath his body. The method used by police is to strike the upper arm to cause the subject to release the arm so they can be pulled out from under the subject and the subject can then be hand cuffed. If you watch Jack Tillers last blow it appeard to be to the left arm so that he could pull it from under Snyder....That is resisting. At no point do you see in the video that Officer Tiller is striking Snyder in the head...everyone just assumes so. Snyder would have been much more seriously injured if Officer Tiller was pounding on his head the way everyone thinks. What started the altercation is also not completely clear. Dont draw conclutions based on a town run by a bunch of big kids and video that doesnt show everything.

Posted by: Dan Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:32 PM
David should be removed from his spot on the council and this will take care of the major problem of all in Roseland. It is good to see that the local goverment is not taking any more abuse that the Snyders brings to this town.

Posted by: n/c Location: south bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:22 PM
snyder is the biggest example of domestic dictatorship

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel IND on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:19 PM
I believe based on the video speaking for itself that Mr. Tiller used undue force, for the situation.

Posted by: Not Important Location: thank goodness not roseland on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Honestly it is sad roseland can not get some ppl in there to run things a little more smoothly... have they checked the elementary school bc i bet the kids could prob get things on track better than the ppl appointed..... Roseland Town Council seems like it is ran by the funny farm... i feel bad for the ppl living there.. GOOD LUCK TO THEM! As for the police officer, no one knows what happens when they get outside, can u trust the story of anybody in that room?? I mean listen to Ted Penn’s story.. that is funny bc that is not what I seen on the Moments Leading up to it video…But I say if you mouth off to the police you get what is coming to you, Nicely Done by the officer!

Posted by: Randy Location: Washington on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:23 PM
This "police officer" should not have a badge any more. He obviously doesn't have the temperment to do the job. He attacked this man, brutally pushing him through that door about 100 mph then jumping on his back and wailing on him. The cop obviously didn't like man and let his emotions get the better of him. Somebody like that has no business being a police officer. Jack Tiller should be behind bars right now and Snyder should get a good lawyer and sue the city. There is absolutely no excuse for what happened here, that was disgusting, disgraceful and criminal. I'm so glad I don't live in a town that has a police department like that.

Posted by: Bill Location: Lakewood, CA on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:08 PM
The officer should be fired and charged with assault.

Posted by: Tired on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:51 PM
Give it a rest!

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel Ind on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:46 PM
I am just considering what I saw in the videos.I watched and listened many times to the videos here are my observations; After Charlie showed his ill temper in the meeting and cursed at David he asked the following: “You think the Snyder’s bring the worst out in people?” Rather than Charlie owning his own problems for his ill temper, he was quick to externalize and blame his bad temper on David.As for Mr. Tiller I clearly saw him striking a man on the ground that was virtually motionless, Tiller got in a few blows to David’s head on the right side then got up and said: "He ant gonna hit on me” I thought about his words for a long time……. If Tiller was struck previously by David the words should have been something to the likeness of he ant gonna hit on me any more. I believe Mr. Tiller was totally honest in his remark “He ant gonna hit on me”, furthermore I believe Mr. Tiller made sure David was totally powerless to do so.

Posted by: Todd Location: Niles on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:44 PM
I'm tired of hearing all of the bullcrap and i don't live there, i wish that the state steps in and takes over roseland this is getting out of hand.

Posted by: Bill Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:18 PM
Why is Jack Tiller's wife saying that the news is smearing her husbands reputation? He is the one that took care of that for himself. Everyone knows that at these crazy town meetings/get togethers, the media or a camera, will always be around, so long as the Snyder's are involved. So why would Jack Tiller conduct himself in that matter? Don't blame the media, blame yourself Jack Tiller. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: No Name Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Why hasn't anything been done about Jack Tiller's actions? And if it is true that his wife was the one to see what happened in the hall. Why would she be truthful about everything that happened? Of course she would stand up for her husband officer Jack Tiller. And like someone else said maybe she knew what was going to happen and wanted to watch it go down. The Snyders don't always act right, and do a lot of crazy things. But nobody deserves what happened to him, it doesn't matter what they do every other day. Jack Tiller needs to be fired. If nothing happens to Jack Tiller, that really is unfair. Why shouldn't he be in trouble? He is just like any other person and shouldn't receive special treatment.

Posted by: somebody Location: no roseland thank god on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:02 PM
Will here it is again can see what happens just the end, when another idot takes on police and gets what he had coming, and everyone jumps on the police. from what I saw no one can tell what happened. pretty convient that someone got the end on tape. I believe Snyder has a history of attacking first. you dont have to be hit first to use force. Snyder turned and went out of sight again.

Posted by: Happy in Osceola Location: Osceola on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:46 PM
If David Snyder tries to sue anyone over this latest fiasco, I pray that the judge will throw him and his lawsuit right out of court. The Snyders are the reason that Roseland is in this turmoil. David and Dorothy have sete the precedence for the bad behavoir at all these meetings. They acted like they were sitting on thrones instead of on the town board of a small community. As for the town clerk....wouldn't we all like to work from home! Grow up woman and act like an adult! Get your fanny back to your office and show the citizens of Roseland that you care about them!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: warsaw on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:40 PM
does Roseland have a mental hospital????

Posted by: Jeff Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:26 PM
The Cop needs to lose his badge and be prosecuted. Ted Penn should be ashamed for his obvious lies. The Snyders now appear to be the voice of reason in this bizarre little town.

Posted by: Theresa Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:23 PM
Dorothy, Lord knows we all didn't need your input in this too. You have to be involved in everything. I don't live in Roseland but I sure feel sorry for the people who do to have to put up with you and your no good lazy husband. You both are nothing but trouble makers and you should have no other rights then the other people in Roseland. Do the residents a favor and move away.

Posted by: Shad Location: Niles, MI on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:23 PM
If you watch the video closely, you never see David Snyder strike the officer. You see him say something and start to turn his back and walk out. The officer than grabs him and starts pushing him out the door. If you watch the reflection in the glass case you can cleary follow them out the door and see Mr. Snyder's head and camera used to open the door. At no time did he strike the officer and it is cleary police brutality. Furthermore, if he was that much of a threat to police to be slammed to the ground and than assaulted, why did they let him sit on the ground in cuffs and have everyday people come in contact with him. Because he wasn't a threat at all, just a victim of police over using there authority.

Posted by: Lynn Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:16 PM
Roseland is a total embarrassment to our entire area. Can you imagine what visitors who see this garbage constantly on TV and in the paper must think of Michiana! It is time the city of South Bend annex the town of Dumbsville & end the childish ignorance. What kind of message is this sending to the kids & teens of our community. The Snyders belong somewhere else, not in Michiana!

Posted by: Annoymous Location: LaGrange on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:10 PM
The video doesn't show what may have happened after they went through the doorway. So it's not fair to the Officer to say he was shoving David Snyder because you can't see what he may have done to instigate the Officer's actions. And for someone who feels that he was a victim of police brutality - why does he have that smile on his face like he's gotten away with something? I think he needs to drop it. And he should resign - give the people of Roseland a break!!!! They don't deserve all the bad press the Snyder's have generated! If they were truly concerned for the residents of Roseland, then I believe they would help the community save any more embarrassment and stay out of the spotlight. Unfortunately for Roseland, the Snyder's seem to thrive on the publicity.

Posted by: Marlin Location: Florida on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:51 PM
You can see exactly what happened in the REFLECTION. DUH!

Posted by: Alex Jones Location: Austin, TX on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:50 PM
I hope this Snyder guy sues the existence out of this 'town'

Posted by: Barry Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:49 PM
Thank god i do not live in roseland. there seems to be problems one after each other. there are common issues in them all. Snyders and Roseland.they both blame others for whats right or wrong. dont point fingers at others for the problems you brought about. where was the self control from the officer. he was probably upset to from either not getting paid or being asked to work for 6 dollars an hour. what a joke.

Posted by: Carol Location: Circleville on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:36 PM
I have to admit I like David Snyder. I don't think I could have composed myself near as well as he did with that maniac beating him like that. I would have went for his gun and blasting the family man to Hell.

Posted by: Lisa Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:32 PM
Jack Tiller is out of line. I don't believe that David Snyder should be punished for this situation. I believe that Jack Tiller should be the one to face the heat. Jack Tiller needs to understand that what he did was wrong and should have to pay the price. Being a police officer doesn't make it okay to beat on someone. In fact they should be the last people to do this. Shame on you Jack Tiller.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:32 PM
Roseland is a JOKE!!!!!

Posted by: wow Location: south bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:23 PM
robin from south bend the obese woman who was at the hallway first was officer tillers wife do you think she would tell the truth and maybe she knew it was going to happen and wanted to watch

Posted by: Jeanne' Location: Benton Harbor on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:23 PM
I watched all of the footage and the comments that were on the website and the one that was the most truthful was David Snyder's. Ted Penn said he was handcuffed, which he wasn't and he was fighting back elbowing the officer which he did not, he clearly wanted to believe that so he reported what he thought he saw. Snyder was responding to a childish heckler and the police officer brutalized him and then Snyder gets taken to jail. That was wrong. What is more wrong is that this behavior has been able to have been continuing for a long time. I would be embarressed if I was anyone on that council.

Posted by: kim h Location: laporte on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:22 PM
I cannot believe the mayor has not stepped in and fired the whole town board and put in new people until all new electives have been brought in. There all a bunch of children,, is this what you really want to leave behind for people to remember you as, i sure wouldnt want it left for my next generation of adult children, my grandchildren will have memories of a giving person,,not a childish person who acted out as evil.As far as the officer,, good job. My brother in law who is an officer deals with idiots like this everyday, god bless our officers for what they deal with,i do believe they took this job to protect us from criminals...not grown chidren..

Posted by: N. Wood Location: PROVIDENCE, KY on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:19 PM
How embarrasing for the South Bend Area. The Snyder's are SO FAR out of line!!!! THey have been out of line for a long time. They are out of control, and have been out of control for way too long. Law abiding citizens, co-workers, neighbors, law enforcement, the general public and most anyone you talk to seem to be out of patience with the situtation. The Snyder's have PUSHED THE LIMIT so far the community is falling apart. The situtation is actually becoming dangerous.

Posted by: Tee Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Hey John from Middlebury, the town has liability insurance for incidents just like these. So Snyder did hit the jackpot. What is taking Dvorak so long to get this Tiller off the streets? No one should feel safe till the cueball is scratched. Would you let Tiller babysit your kids? Hell no you wouldn't.

Posted by: Ann Location: Kewanna on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:13 PM
I always see a common denominator whenever there is a problem in Roseland....the Snyders!! Poor, poor Snyders! No money??? Nice Jag!!

Posted by: mark Location: south bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:09 PM
as much as i think david snyder has caused anguish and torment in roseland it appears some of that anger was released upon him by the police officer involved. mr. snyder abused his power and position and literally drained the town of its taxpayers money. he should be brought to justice but not by the physical force used in this last confrontation. it is hard to feel any sympathy for him, i just wish he would leave the residents of roseland alone and much of the anger that we have seen would diminish.

Posted by: Lee Location: Bourbon on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:07 PM
The Roseland government is an embarrassment to the entire michiana community.

Posted by: Robert Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:00 PM
I'am a business owner servicing the Michiana area for ten years now. C'mon folks. The police officer,"Bully" attacked snyder. This was not a fight or as you are reporting a brawl. The police officer attacked Snyder. There is a big difference.

Posted by: lucy Location: south bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:57 PM
I don't want South Bend to annex Roseland. Why would we want to adopt that crazy town full of crazies?

Posted by: Tim Location: Michigan on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:54 PM
Childish acts by Mr. Snyder and questionable acts by Officer Tiller. Hard to make judgements based on very little evidence. All I can say is the police are way underpaid for their professional position. Something needs to be done with the mess in Roseland!

Posted by: KATHY Location: BRISTOL on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:20 PM
The Roseland issues have been going on way too long, I get embarssed when I see the council memebers behaving less than the mentality of 10 year olds, my opinion of Snyder's encounter with the police officer clearly showed that the police officer pushed Snyder forward without real cause and from what I saw afterwards is the officer continuing to punch Snyder after he was on the ground face down. Although I feel that Snyder has displayed the mentality of a 10 yr old, he should not be treated less than an animal. The officer was very wrong. I support our law officials and fell they have a very difficult jobs, but if we can't trust our police to do the human thing, we can't expect the Sydners of the world to be human.

Posted by: Me Location: mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:17 PM
Everyone is so quick to judge Marshal Tiller When you can't see the whole tape, but I believe there is a cop in North Liberty that was involved in a death at the county jail and he is still has a badge.

Posted by: Jennifer T Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:13 PM
You have the wrong Jack Tiller and the wrong number. This is what I had to say to a lady from Tennessee who called my home looking for Marshall Jack Tiller. My son, Jack Tiller, is age 9. I don't know how this woman got my number but now this is not only affecting the Roseland residents it is affecting others in the community. I am sure she was calling to give Marshall Jack Tiller a few words.

Posted by: BB Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:12 PM
I was a police officer for 8 years and am by no means approving what Marshal Tiller did. However if you watch Tillers actions, he apears to be escorting David Snyder from the room as directed to do and looks to be wanting to close the door behind him, not breathing down his neck as Snyder said he was, untill he made the comment about the bully being back.

Posted by: Bob Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:09 PM
If Snyder wins, he can pay back all the child support he owes!

Posted by: John Location: Middlebury on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:57 PM
David Snyder has always been looking for a way to pay his child support down from the obscene dollar amount that it is. A lawsuit might just help his cause. Oh NO wait a minute, the town is out of money, so that won't work. Oh well David, back to the drawing board. I'm surprised this has not happended before in some form or another. The council needs to get past this for the sake of the residents and move on to running the town.

Posted by: Robin Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:56 PM
Why wasnt the woman questioned that jumped up out of her seat right after they took snyder out questioned or put in front of the camera, she would be the best witness being right behind them. None of the cameras got what happened in between the meeting room and outside, but there is a witness;Ted Penn that says snyder hit the officer before being taken down. People are so quick to say "police brutality" in these situations, remember though, we cant see the most important part of that information. I would like to hear other witnesses point of view during that missed clip portion. From what I see it doesnt look good for Tiller, but the important part is the unseen, for which there are witnesses that are not commenting. Snyder has a history of fighting and arrest for, so this doesnt seem to be out of character for him. If he hit Tiller, and was infact resisting arrest, Tiller did do what he needed to do to get the situation under control.

Posted by: Sara Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:51 PM
Please stop talking about Roseland. No one cares anymore! I am sure the people that live in Roseland are sick of all the bad publicity and I am sure they are just nice normal people who want to live in peace, but enough with the Snyders. They do not deserve this much attention. There are much better and more pressing things to talk about.

Posted by: LT Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:37 PM
CAN'T WAIT TILL HOLLYWOOD WANTS TO PRODUCE THE NEXT EMMY WINNING SOAP ABOUT THE VILLAGE 0F ROSELAND>

Posted by: Jason Location: Nappanee on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:31 PM
Roseland is the laughing stock of this area. Ever since the Snyders were first in office. What do you expect people to do when someone is making their town a joke. Roseland needs new officals. Not people that want to make the town a JOKE.

Posted by: LULU on Sep 17, 2007 at 04:26 PM
I HAVE BEEN AROUND LAW IN FORCEMENT FOR 35 YEARS AND I THINK THE POLICE OFFICE IS THE PROFESSIONAL AND SHOULD NOT HAVE ACTED IN THIS MANNER, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY PROBLEMS IN THIS LITTLE TOWN, I GUESS THEY ARE LUCKY IT WAS ONLY A SMALL ALTERCATION AND NO ONE WAS REALLY HURT OR SHOT; OTHER THAN FEELINGS BEING HURT. I THINK IT IS THE WHOLE TOWNS PROBLEM TO RESOLVE.ACT LIKE AN ADULT. THIS IS NOT NEWS EVERY TOWN HAS THERE SHARE OF PROBLEM BUT THE NEWS DOES NOT PICK EVERYONE OF THEM UP. SO THE NEWS ALSO HAS A PART IN THIS EMLARGED FIASCOL !!!

Posted by: Suzanne Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM
Kudos Mr. Tiller and shame on the prosecutor's office. Again, the prosecutor's office has favored the idiots from Roseland. David Snyder needs to spend alot more time in jail and maybe he'll grow up! No one should feel sorry for the Snyders. They are the ones who have made a mockery of Roseland. David and Dorothy quit wasting all of your energy and money on your lawsuits. Take care of the children that you have so wonderfully forgotten.

Posted by: Breezy Location: Valparaiso on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:46 PM
Karma, Karma !!! The police acted as they are trained. Lay off the Officer and focus on the problem*** David Snyder** and I agree, Why does he owe thousands of dollars in back support yet they both have Jaguars and do what they please and are bonded out immediately. HIs children should contact him and ask their daddy why he is so crooked, and to top it off he will sue the town and the officer whom David hasnt paid in 2 months on top of wanting him to do his job, and penalizing him, for arresting the BAD guy. The poll question should not be whether the officer was overboard, rather did David Snyder deserve everything he received?

Posted by: Eddie Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:40 PM
What really happened to all of Roseland's money. Did the town records from the last 3 years ever surface? Who has to account for all the money? Did David Snyder steal it to stay out of Jail?

Posted by: B Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:25 PM
Drama - pure and simple! That is all the entire group wants. Maybe if we ignored them all they'd just go away. Like the poorly behaved children they are, attention is attention whether it's good or bad. I agree the bandage is stupid, that was not applied by a medical professional - but it sure get's attention! The Snyders are just plain bi-polar nut cases who need their Lithium doses raised.

Posted by: Jason W Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:20 PM
Surprise Surprise! An "Officer of the law" abusing his Authority. It's about time citizens stand up for themselves and police the police. With all the technology out there we can finally subdue there egos and get the over "roided" meat-heads fired or put in jail. I say carry your video camera with you and if you see someone getting thrown to the ground or harassed on the street for how they look, film it, show it, and start the fight to take back our right's. The police have to much power so we must band together and end the fight they started. Don't get me wrong I do believe there are some good cops out there trying to protect people who need it. But I also believe that for every good cop there are two bad cops. For example in the video as the officer is beating on the already subdued man the other two officers are slightly tapping him on the back instead of grabbing him and pulling him off. I wonder if they were saying "that's enough" or "Jack they have video cameras STOP" ...hmmm

Posted by: J Location: Roseland on Sep 17, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Forget feeling sorry for this bad cop and his wife that watched him do it, feel sorry for his children. His children will have to live with this for a long time at school, but I bet Tiller didn't think about that. This is why children of some police officers have problems. This will give police officers a bad taste for a long time. Penn and Shields need to go down also for their part in this planned attack.

Posted by: JENNY Location: MISHAWAKA on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:56 PM
The only thing I fault the police officer with is having cameras around. David Snyder deserves that and more. Him and his wife a complete disgrace to the Town of Roseland. All they are doing is dragging the town through the mud. I like how David can't pay child support but he always has money to bond out of jail. I wish I could be behind on child support and drive a Jaguar. Opps, I fogot that's Dorothy's right!

Posted by: jen on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:54 PM
this is sad that with everything else that's going on in the world and in our country that this is the hot topic on the news. i think that everyone is sick of hearing about roseland. we all need to be thinking about the men and women fighting in this war and pray for their families and for their safe return.

Posted by: Kevin Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:53 PM
Before you comment, make sure you watch Ted Penn's reaction (see link above). He said David threw the cop and elbow and then started going for his face. The cop then had to throw David a quick punch which knocked him down and then David kept resisting. Has the governor seen this? How can these people really still be in office? I would think assalting a cop would be grounds for being removed from office.

Posted by: gail Location: niles on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:47 PM
now everyone knows what a liar penn is. he lied about the "missing money", he instigated the law suits last year spending the money. the state proved that there never was any money missing, this was just another one of his tactics when he doesn't like someone. he believes he is god and you don't cross him. ask shields sometime why he lost his license to teach in indiana. tiller has now joined the group of felons in roseland. this is most of the group that attends the meetings.

Posted by: jennifer Location: winamac on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:40 PM
he may not of need to use force, but all david had to do was walk out of the room and not say anything. but he would rather run his mouth. the whole thing is crazy. i feel sorry dor the people that live in roseland.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:23 PM
Snyder never lifted his hands nor his arms,the cop had no reason to us force

Posted by: jennifer Location: winamac on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:22 PM
to the anonymous writer. i understand what your talking about. but i'm just saying that this town and the officers have had enough. David shouldn't even be alound to sit on any board to begin with until he gets his own life on track. he could start by paying his child support. he is/has been braking the law time & time again. eveyone one has a braking point, even you.

Posted by: Vicki Location: Niles on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:20 PM
You know it's not for me to judge anyone, but getting the Snider's out of office has been a rediculas struggle. I don't beleive in brutality, but I do believe that the towns people have had enough and the end result is this type of kaos. Where do you go from here? They have no business representing anyone--I feel like we're back in the days of the Hatfield's and McCoys. Good Grief--GROW UP. People are getting hurt, and not just physically, but emotionally as well. What do our children think? How do you teach them right from wrong when our local goverment can't even act like grown ups?

Posted by: Jackie Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:03 PM
Is there any reason why they are still on the board? Wake up Roseland.

Posted by: Aaron Location: Grand Rapids, MI on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:53 PM
I'm not from Roseland, but I have to say that this story is hilarious! How the did this guy get into office anyway? If he doesn't want to conform to the rules of the meeting, he should be removed from the meeting. The higher powers of Roseland should remove him from his position. It is time for Roseland to step up. Solution: Kick Snyder out of office Write up the cop

Posted by: Edward Location: Mi on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:44 PM
I am one of these people on Snyders side. He was beaten on for no reason as far as I'm concerned. He should own the town of Roseland ! Looks to me he has a cut and dry case in his favor.Good for him and his wife and family.Yep fire the bully cop that was the one WAY out of line.Peace be with the Snyder family.They are good people and I don't care what anyonelse thinks of them.Pick on someone else now !

Posted by: KAREN Location: MIDDLEBURY on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:41 PM
I have watched this video 4 times, all I see is David Snyder running his mouth, he looks drunk, not a mark on him when he is sat up, the one officer even looks at him, no blood anywhere, what a JOKE these 2 people are. Oh yes the fake bandage is hilarious. Way to go Officer Tiller for doing your job, that is worth way more than $6.00 an hour.

Posted by: DG Location: Plymouth on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:34 PM
Over the years, the Snyder’s while sitting on the town council, have clearly demonstrated any number of attributes. None of those attributes could be described as positive. Terms such as boorish, childish and contemptible immediately come to mind. And the condition the Roseland Community is now suffering is a directly result of the Snyder’s incompetence. That being said; the incident last Friday however is a whole different matter. Based on the media footage, including the reflections off a glass in the hallway, clearly show that the Town Marshall crossed the line and was brutal in his handling of David Snyder. However medial footage also shows that David Snyder did not suffer trauma to the top of his head. But leave it to Mr. Snyder, true to form, to play the situation to the maximum and wear bandages on his head demonstrating once again his childishness.

Posted by: Dawn Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:31 PM
To UNK, Lakeville: Are you kidding me?! What are you related to the Snyders? Mike Swanson was caught on tape and admitted his guilt to get a lesser charge. (all of this was in the paper and on the news) Get the facts before saying something ignorant! As for where Jack lives...none of your business by the way. But like most cops he works 2 jobs to support his family and his wife works too! They work hard for what they have. Also, the Dodge Charger was in Roseland before Jack was Town Marshall, again missing all the facts!

Posted by: Phil Location: Indiana on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Excuxe me. But I think Snyder had better find his medical treatment somewhere else. I truly believe that he bandaged his own head. It definetly does not look professionally done by any medical people that I know that work in our emergency rooms. What a laughing stock he and his wife Dorothy are.

Posted by: Ronda Location: Argos on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:05 PM
Wowzier, don't you think its time to get an ALL new board. The one thing for sure is everyone one in the Michiana area will always know when its Roseland board meeting time. Ya think they are trying for their own TV Show, but 1 problem.....would it be a DRAMA series OR Comedy series????

Posted by: Becky Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:04 PM
I graduated high school with Tiller. He's always been the kind of person who wouldn't make a move without thinking first. I'm sure Snyder was antagonizing the situation. In my opinion, Snyder is just a huge nuisance, who instigates these situations. What is Snyder out for? Does he not have anything else better to do with his time? He needs to move on.

Posted by: Lori on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Roseland is a joke. Maybe the police man shouldn't have a badge anymore, but maybe he should be paid. Why they are still working is beyond me. The entire council should leave and start fresh or better yet just let South Bend take over - I'm sure things would be much better.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:52 PM
To Jennifer from Winamac and anyone else saying he deserved it, Regardless of what David has done in the past he didnt deserve what this officer did to him. The officer is wrong for what he did and I am disappointed that I have yet to read about an investigation on him. He gives the good officers a bad name. I feel sorry for the town of Roseland. I would be embarrassed to know I have people like this officer protecting me.

Posted by: Kevin Location: Niles on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:37 PM
All of this is very uncalled for. You all are an imbarrassment to our community! For the sake of all, the entire board should resign and South Bend should annex Roseland.

Posted by: Kelly Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Jack Tiller is my hero!

Posted by: jennifer Location: winamac on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:29 PM
I think that the Snyders should either move or stay in their home! they have made so many people angry. So, david got what has been coming to him for along time. i don't feel sorry for him at all.

Posted by: Depressing Location: Southern viewing area on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Come on people of Roseland. I think that in order for the town to ever gain respect or sanity for this matter is to do away with the Snyders' political titles. The town should try to restablish their town's leadership by means of finding new representives and political leaders. The Synders have clearly given Roseland a bad name and labeled the town as a laughing matter. The commnunity is sick of hearing about your problems that could easily be fixed with new leadership.

Posted by: Dawn Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Looks can be deceiving…Snyder’s hands being full doesn’t mean he couldn’t still throw an elbow. The fake bandage on David’s head…hilarious prop! These 2 pathological lying thieves are lucky the town has lynched them. No normal person after supposedly being “brutalized by the police” on camera would be smiling and in “good spirits”. Unless, they were plotting out their next scam. As for his homely wife Dorothy who claims to be a former officer…How was the police academy that you dropped out of?! Another lie to add to their long list. Like the one they were telling back in January about Roseland’s financial status. Only another lying criminal would side with these 2. I feel sorry for Jack Tiller and the rest of the officers who have continued to do their jobs with no health insurance being paid $6 an hr. This is the thanks they get: UNDERPAID AND DISRESPECTED! The Snyder’s will get theirs.

Posted by: becky on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Isn't David Snyder approx 17 years behind in child support? Shouldn't he be in jail for that alone? Why not disban the entire thing and make them part of South Bend/Mishawaka. This whole thing is nothing but an embarassment to all. The law has stooped to the level of the criminal in this case. It is very obvious to me that the officer hit David Snyder. David had both hands full with paperwork and equipment when he left the room. We see this so often anymore, police stooping to the level of the criminal (abusing another individual). It sickens me. It also makes me ashamed to think that an officer of the LAW could treat another human being with such disrespect.

Posted by: Dave Location: Plymouth on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Are there any adults living in Roseland? It sure doesn't look like it.

Posted by: someone who thinks they all are crazy!!! Location: south Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:54 AM
David Synder should have been kept in jail justlike anyone else. He needs to support his children in my book he is a low life creap!! Who doesn't know when to shut his mouth he should have been hit a long time ago. A man who doesn't support his children should spend along time in jail... He would do anything for attention.

Posted by: UNK Location: Lakeville on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:53 AM
For all of you who say you where not there to see what went on, You need to put slow motion in effect and watch the video look at that glass David never threw a punch. He pushed back after Tiller grabbed him and started to push him. And his bag and camera would of been in the hall if he had thrown a punch, NO his stuff was outside where it flew as he is knocked thru the glass door, again you can see the shadows and see Davids head was turned away from Tiller. On another note no one said a word how is Tiller driving a brand new charger police car? If Roseland does not have money. Tiller is living high off the hog in a high end subdivison in Mishawaka. Tillers house is 2 times better then the Snyders. Just check it out for yourself. I thought the town was selling the police cars not buying high end Dodge Chargers.. Can that man he is a worthless poop. Just think he also snitched mike swanson, maybe Mike was inocent the hole time maybe Tiller was the one behind it and turned the tables.

Posted by: UNBELIEVABLE Location: ELKHART on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Jerry Springer wants his bouncer and audience back! (...Hit him for my dad, are you serious?) He's on his way to Roseland now to pick up some new talent. I feel sorry for the decent, law abiding people who live in Roseland, someone needs to step up and get the "hillbilly showdown" OUT of there! I bet there will be some great "you might be a redneck if.." jokes to come out of the video footage. All jokes aside..I don't care at all for the Snyder's, in fact I cringe when I see them on television, but Tiller did seem to be out of line from the video, and that is SCARY..the only thing evident and undeniable is the fact that these people have made a mockery out of our privledge to have local government, they have turned what was supposed to have been a budget meeting into a complete joke..hey Roseland, that's what they think of your tax dollars!

Posted by: BOO HOO Snyders on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Look closely at the tape again slowly people David wasn't face down behaving himself, he is on his side kicking the officer. Funny his picture in the SB Tribune on Sunday he didn't have any facial bruising, the whole poor Snyder act again, boo hoo! Get a life...leave town already

Posted by: Danielle Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:34 AM
So if he sues the town, and wins-will that money go to back support? Do you all really think he needs the excessive ban dage on his head? He will do anything for media attention.

Posted by: sleeve Location: LA on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:28 AM
The cowardly "cop" went too far when he attacked Snyder from behind. Snyder had both hands full and was progressing towards the door. To make matters worse, the cowardly "cop" then lied about what happened right on video camera. This cowardly "cop" should never work in LE again and should be behind bars.

Posted by: Homer Simpson Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:26 AM
First of all, I would like to thank WNDU for this coverage, I love this stuff. As far as the story, I think six buck Jack Tiller will be looking for another job and a lawyer. Thanks again for this great coverage and Stephanie keep on smiling sweetheart, your wonderful!!

Posted by: John Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Why on Gods green earth would these people stay where they are so unwelcome. It is ok to bow out. Take the high road and do what is best for the Town, step down! I also think the Officer is frustrated, how would any of you like to work off of donations? He may of went a little too far, but Snyder had it coming.

Posted by: Very Angry Location: Granger on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Dave Snyder is a deadbeat dad who won't pay child support and his wife drives a jag and she just bought some new shoes so he should be beaten by a cop and thrown in jail!!! Amazing...... The shallowness of the gene pool in Indiana is beginning to assert itself. So many of you fail to see the ramifications of local law enforcement and local government gone bad. A rogue cop is very dangerous as is a rogue prosecutor or a rogue judge. The evidence needs no interpretation here, the problem is obvious. How or why it got to this point is irrelevant. How it is handled going forward will speak volumes as to where or if the true corruption lies. Keep an eye on the prosecutor, any judges that may become involved, the other police that were present. The other council members. Watch and learn.

Posted by: BILL6969 Location: WARSAW on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:09 AM
OMG! I am so sick of reading about the snyders, I open WNDU and right there is a story about these people. The snyders need to pack there belongings and move far far away from Indiana. They are obviously starved for attention in there sad sad lives. Thanks alot Snyders, Yet another worthles headline we get to read about you. AGIAN THANKS TWO MINUTES OF MY LIFE I'LL NEVER GET BACK. I dont even live up near Roseland and im sick of hearing about them.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:06 AM
It brings a question to my mind as to why the Snyders continually get "off the hook" with the legal system. What is the connection with Snyders and Mike Goetch that Dorothy could call him in the middle of the night to get her sweet David out of jail - is this friendship the reason that David "skates" on all of his legal issues including his child support? I've heard that the legal system have their hands tied because of Snyders connections. I would hate to think this is factual. David and Dorothy Snyder are (in David's words) "a train wreck looking to happen" in any town they end up in.

Posted by: George Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 11:05 AM
If this has been so stressful on Davids parents need prayers, then BEHAVE!

Posted by: Marie Location: Roseland on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:58 AM
This is to Disgusted - if you were at the meeting that night and "saw" what happened then you were in on the conspiracy. Penn's psycho daughter TOLD THE WORLD that it was all planned so that it would look like David had attacked Teddy earlier in the year. Apple doesnt fall far from the tree, psycho father - psycho daughter. Disgusted - remember well what you "saw" when the troopers knock on your door. Dvorak is not going to be handling this one, so you will have to stand up to the truth. If this doesn't take down the thugs in the prosecutor's office along with Tiller, I will be very surprised. Next time you plan to beat someone up, guess you had better start with all the news camera guys - then MAYBE you will get away with it. IT IS A GLASS DOOR Bozos, nice try but looks like you all will get orange suits for this one.

Posted by: JANE Location: SOUTH BEND on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:55 AM
I am glad to know Dorothy reads these comments. It seems the two of you can dish it out but not take it. You are an embarrassment to this community and I'm sure your family. What truly is your main objective? Please stop the madness. When your dad is Preaching in church, where are you? Obviously not listening.

Posted by: larry Location: now mich on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:53 AM
THE SNYDERS ARE BEHIND MOST OF THE TROUBLE ROSELAND IS HAVING RIGHT NOW. WHILE THE SNYDRES WERE ON THE BOARD, EVERYTHING HAD TO BE RUN THERE WAY & NO OTHER WAY. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM THEY HAVE RUN ROSELAND INTO THE GROUND. ROSELAND USE TO BE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, BUT NOT ANY MORE.NO TWO MEMBERS OF ONE FAMILY SHOULD BE ON THAT BOARD EVEN IF THEY GET MARRIED, WHILE ON THE BOARD, ONE SHOULD LEAVE.

Posted by: Brenda Location: Goshen on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:52 AM
OK now people are saying the cop was jabbed by David with his elbow. I think the cop just don't like him and that is why he went way to far on abusing him. pull and rewind the tape at the meeting and lets see who had the floor. If it was David then the other guy should have shut up from the get go and left David say what he wanted instead of calling to have him thrown out. I personally hope David sues the heck out of the cop and he loses his job. Than we will see just how BAD he is.

Posted by: JACK Location: ELKHART on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Snyder should feel lucky he didn't get the tazer. I think I will start going to these meeting just to watch the AWESOME action that is taking place in Roseland. If we had more debates like this on a higher government level, say the presidential debates, they would be much more exciting to watch. The people of Roseland should be proud of the impression they are making on the area and it's no wonder nobody wants to live there or bring there buisness there. South Bend should annex the whole town and bulldoze it and put up a big parking lot, plenty of room for Notre Dame fans....

Posted by: Anonymous Location: indiana on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Did you see the bandage on Davids head? Looks like he did that himself.

Posted by: Lynn H Location: Mishawka on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Roseland is better than ANY soap opera...I do believe the whole towwn government should be dissolved and get some competent people in there and take care of business. I am THANKFUL I do not live in Roseland........what a joke!!!

Posted by: deann Location: mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:47 AM
I agree with Chaz. Maybe if David knew that any money he receives in a lawsuit would go to his children, he wouldn't sue. He should have to WORK to pay child support.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Indiana on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:30 AM
In regards to Caeey-Mishawaka what has Niles, MI. ever done to you to wish the Snyders on them.. Believe me they don't want them either.Yes, it looks as though the officer went to far. Only the people that were in attendance really know. And yes both David and Dorothy should live. Ihad alwasy heard that Minister's kids are the worst. i guess there is some truth to it. Maybe if Notre Dame told Dorothy to clean up her act or she would be gone from there she would wake up and realize they both are idiots. Why doesn't she spend some of their money on herself and do something about her hair and appearance. I truly believe the only solution to all of this is that the sate take over or that they annex to South Bend. Too bad so much money has to go to waste on these people. By not paying his support David has shown that he is a low class person if you could consider that he even has any class at all.

Posted by: Brett Location: SB on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Can someone post this video on YouTube? Maybe this incident needs more attention. That officer needs charges filed against him.

Posted by: Resident Location: in Roseland on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:14 AM
It is clearly obvious that Tiller is unable to control himself. Why doesn't county prosecutor DVORAK also look into Tiller's past to see why the county police got rid of him? I cannot believe this man was beaten by a police officer for undue reason and then had to go to jail! If it weren't for the county and state politics "good old buddy system", Roseland would not be in this mess. How can you blame an individual for Roseland's demise? It was about time someone stepped up and tried to follow town code written years ago. The higher ups do not want the town to succeed. Roseland does not even get hotel/motel tax, it goes to South Bend's Football Hall of Shame(which basically started this whole mess many years ago). They were made an example of because the state agencies want the Town of Roseland to expand a failing city... what a better place to develop than a small financially strapped town next to Notre Dame, where most politicians in this area attended school. Wake up people!

Posted by: Wally Location: Goshen on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:08 AM
We should all be more upset that the people of Roseland could not just through them out of Office. If they can violate all the rights of the lowly citizens of the town and never have to answer for it, then forget going after Tiller. I wander if anyone put a “Tiller for President” sign in their yard if Dorothy Snyder would sneak in the dark of night and put it in the trunk of her Jaguar?

Posted by: LINDA Location: MISHAWAKA on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:04 AM
IT'S REMARKABLE HOW DAVID SNYDER SEEMS NEVER TO HAVE A LOSS OF CASH TO PAY A LAWYER FOR A LAWSUIT, BUT CAN'T PAY CHILD SUPPORT FOR HIS 2 CHILDREN, SHAME ON HIM. HE NEEDS TO GROW UP AND BE A MAN!!!!!

Posted by: Dru Crofoot Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 10:03 AM
There is no way that Mr. Snyder thru a punch. Watch the tape he is leaving the room carry things in both hands while the officer has a hold of his left arm with his other hand on his back. Evne if Mr. Snyder didn't have his hand full he's in no position to throw a punch & on top of that he was the calmest person in the room the entire time. Plus if you watch the tape slowly you can see the reflection off the window of Mr. Snyder being forced out the door excessively. This officer should lose his job & go to jail & if i were Mr. Snyder I'ld sue him for all he's worth, which as far as I can tell can't be a whole lot!!! Go Get'em Davie

Posted by: Connie Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Idea... Maybe Roseland should sell this story to Hollywood so they can pay their Police Officers!!! I am sure their is someone who would love to see it on the big screen.. Other than the Snyders. Stop the madness please.

Posted by: Tammy Location: Wakarusa on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:48 AM
There is something positive for the Snyder's selfish/self serving behavior...it has been a great example to my children. With power comes great responsibility. Just because we have the right to do things, doesn't mean that it is in the best interest of all. Stop, take a moment, and to whom is your actions serving the most? Whose interests and securities are being protected? Power shouldn't elevate your status above everyone. Each of us carries that power to an extent. It is unfortunate that when it is abused it spreads like a disease. The best we can do is control our symptoms within ourselves, but sometimes that is not possible. Roseland's people have been victoms for a long time, including Officer Tiller. I hope the town can find some peaceful way to deal with the Snyders. I would like this lesson to end up with a positive example of dealing with this bullying behavior from the Snyders.

Posted by: Tony on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:21 AM
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Posted by: Disgusted Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:20 AM
For all of you who are jumping to the defense of David Snyder - - If you weren't at the meeting you don't know what you are talking about! The media showed the part of the video that they wanted you to see, to keep the fiasco stirred up. I am sick and tired of the media and the air time they give to the Snyders. It's exactly what the Snyders want to keep things stirred up and get their ugly mugs on TV. That officer was jabbed by David with his elbow, David resisted arrest and kept flapping his mouth. I still can't believe the Prosecutor dropped the felony charges. Since when is it ok to assault a police office? That officer was just doing his job. People need to get their facts straight before they start running their mouth in Snyder's defense - he got EXACTLTY what he deserved. Maybe the blow to his head will knock some sense into it, although I doubt it very much. Too bad the officer didn't wipe that ugly smerk off of David's face too. KUDDOS TO JACK TILLER, A JOB WELL DONE!

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 09:03 AM
If he does sue and gets money, I hope that it can be garnished or seized to pay off his child support.

Posted by: Amber Location: Bristol on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:56 AM
David Snyder wants to get rid of law enforcement in Roseland because "they can't afford to pay them" but obviously they need a police officer/town marshall around to keep Mr. Snyder and his wife in line. Congrats to Mr. Tiller for doing his job, and doing it well for little pay! Thank god the town marshall was there to keep order and arrest the real bad guy - David Snyder. Its just too bad Dorothy wasnt there to get taken it with him. If the Snyders don't agree with how the "government" runs Roseland, then I have a small suggestion for them, LEAVE. I know that South Bend Regional offers one way tickets all the time. What are they waiting for?

Posted by: gale on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:49 AM
The Snyders are trying to hold the town of Roseland hostage by their crazy behavior. If they really cared they would move away.

Posted by: George Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:46 AM
From the video it appears that the officer Jack Tiller shoved David Snyder and then proceeded to wail on him when he was subdued with the situation in hand. Also his comment “Did you fall” is further proof that the officer intentionally went to far.

Posted by: Pat Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:41 AM
I think it is strange that David and Dorothy Snyder have so much power over the local legal system. Normal people would not get out of jail that fast for assaulting an officer. It is clear from the first interview that David did hit the officer. I think it is time for the State to step in and do something about the whole fiasco in Roseland.

Posted by: mark on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:41 AM
synder and roseland are both jokes anymore. he does anything to stir controversy and keep in the headlines while depicting the town as a playground of overpaid children. why cant mitch sell the city as he has sold otehr indiana properties? someone else could run the city better than this group. heck, let a class of 3rd graders do it. it couldnt be any worse and at least they would learn from thier mistakes.

Posted by: Derek Location: Michigan on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:39 AM
It appears to me that we a bully, yellow belly officer who deserves to go to jail for assault. It is difficult to commit assault while turned and walking away from another person, and then to continue throwing punches while sitting on your victims back are the actions of a coward, whether you have a badge or not. These actions are those that would have the rest of us paying steep fines and extended jail sentences.

Posted by: Jeff Location: Roseland on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:35 AM
This Police officer should not only have his badge taken away, but should be put in jail. I'm not a fan of Snyder and think all would be better off if he left the council, however, he definately has a case against the officer and possibly Roseland, as well.

Posted by: Tara Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:33 AM
In the reflection of the glass on the video you can see that the officer never got hit by Snyder.

Posted by: Kim Location: Middlebury on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:33 AM
I am so tired of hearing about Roseland. Let's stop reporting about all of the Town Council issues that they are having and focus on something more positive. Every time a report comes on about Roseland, my TV channel gets changed.

Posted by: jim Location: mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:33 AM
I dont think the officer went too far and am suprised that somebody hasent knocked him around yet. He and his wife should leant that sometimes you should just shut up! Not to mention pay his child support!!

Posted by: Martha Location: Niles on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:31 AM
The officer should have stopped once he had David on the ground - he incriminated himself when he asked David if he tripped and fell, etc. It is pretty sad when a council member has to leave the town they represent for coffee and donuts on Saturday mornings because they aren't wanted in their own town. Well Mr. and Mrs. Snyder, your reputation preceeds you and Niles doesn't want you either!!!!

Posted by: Bob Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:31 AM
David Snyder is a low life that loves to live off the meadia. Anyone as for behind in child support should be behind Bars. Also he should not be able to hold any kind of office. Both he and his wife will do anything to be in the news, and on TV. South Bend should anex Roseland and disband the town board. Why don't David and Dorothy grow up and quite acting like little kids. Better yet do everyone in Roseland a faver and move out of town.

Posted by: Tonia Location: Dowagiac.MI on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:09 AM
Mr. Synder got what he needed. That officer just did what most of wanted to do for a long time. The officer should be giving a metal for standing up for all of us. Synder and his wife should have both gotten that beat down. I wish the officer the best of luck.

Posted by: When's it going to be Enough Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:08 AM
It seems from Mr. Penn's comments he may have been mistaken, he said that David Snyder was in handcuffs when he was removed from the meeting, however, that was not the case, the video showed him being placed in handcuffs as he was on the ground. If you are going to corraborate a story, you should have the facts...right? It seems as though the situation escalated to a point that was completely out of line! I respect the job our police officers do on a daily basis, however as much as I hate to admit, it seems as though this officer may have let his emotions get the best of him. Only he and Mr. Snyder are the ones who truly know what happened. I emplore all who are in positions of authority and those who are elected to serve the community to remember, we are setting an example for our future leaders, the CHILDREN of our communities who are watching grown adults behave in ways that we have taught them to be unacceptable. We can all take that to heart!

Posted by: Slade Location: Winchester, Va on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:06 AM
I love reading about the idiots in Roseland and South Bend, please continue to post them on the WNDU web-site. Roseland deserves these people, just drive through Roseland and see how crappy it looks. Never an improvement....and then there's South Bend. Three women found dead in the alleys on the West Side, three women found floating in the St. Joseph river, one women found floating in a pond at Irish Hills and now one found dead at a park off of Indiana Ave. All within the last few months and the police say autopsy show no sign of violence. South Bend and Roseland stories are great reading and I hope they still continue to post them on their site. Its quite laid back down here in the South nothing much happening, but I do feel safer here then back home again in Indiana.

Posted by: Angie Location: Granger, IN on Sep 17, 2007 at 08:05 AM
I think that David Snyder should move far, far away from Roseland. Props to the police officer for giving him the beating he deserved...too bad he couldn't beat the child support he owes out of him. David and Dorothy Snyder disgust me and need to get out of Indiana.

Posted by: Psychic Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:34 AM
After David is out of office, I forsee another divorce in his near future. Once they lose the entertainment (and expense they are costing Roseland), they will direct this type of behavior on each other. I feel sorry for the type of life they live. It is built on entertainment at the expense of others.

Posted by: Barb Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:10 AM
I thin the Snyder's are an embarrasment to the community and just wonder why an person that is suppose to be serving the community would behave in the manner in which they have throughout the entire time they have been office. The police officer should not have hit him at all but with the past history on Mr. Snyder he more than likely provoked the entire incident. Both Mr. & Mrs Snyder are an embarrasment to the entire community and they should be ashamed of themselves for their behavior.

Posted by: KEN Location: BLAZIER on Sep 17, 2007 at 07:06 AM
WHAT A WASTE OF TAX MONEY

Posted by: cindy Location: goshen on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:29 AM
What I saw in the video is when Dave Snyder was leaving, Jack Tiller pushed him and Dave fell through the door window. You can see some of it in the reflection from the display case in the hallway. Dave did not do anything physically to Jack. I believe Jack was angry and used is position to get away with acting on that anger. I feel Dave is purposely provoking anyone he can and will eventually sue someone to get back at the town of Roseland. Every time an altercation such as this one happens, he gets closer and closer to having that opportunity. If the people of Roseland keep there heads in situations like this, he can't get away with it. I do feel Jack Tiller deserves to be punished for his actions because as a police officer, he was out of line and let it get personal. Police officers are human but need to stay neutral and pay the consequences for there actions when they don't.

Posted by: Casey Location: misawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:06 AM
The affair in Roseland has gone to far this time.The Indiana State Police take over the investigation and put the Roseland Police Force on paid vacation until the investigation is complete.The ISP should look into the affairs of David Synder as to why he never spends much time in jail. Why did this Judge drop the charges before an ivestigation. The Attorney General has to get involved with what is happening in Roseland. And find out what happened in Roseland during the ERA of the Synders & Gridley. Or the Indiana State Legislators can get a Resalution passed to Desolve the Charter for the Town of Roseland. Then let South Bend Annex it. Better yet let Niles, Michigan annex Roseland.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:03 AM
The Snyders need to move to Hollywood. They have their acting down pretty well now. Maybe David could be closer to his children and he would of course be making tons of money to so he could finally pay his child support.

Posted by: Sam Location: In Michigan on Sep 17, 2007 at 06:00 AM
The video showed SOMETHING was happening. It's NOT in the reflections of the glass in the hallway either. Perception is one's own vision of how they see something happening. When something like this happens, we each have a different view on it. Nothing is clear cut in any way, shape or form. Have you ever been a part of an experiment where someone dashes into the room, steals something from one in the group and then you all sit around and talk about it?? Everyone in our group had all totally different perceptions of what they THOUGHT they saw and what actually happened. Its human nature. Now add in your feelings about police, the Snyders, and Roseland's council members. To me, it seems there is a distinct line draw in the sand and no one is willing to budge one inch to resolve anything. When a governing body losses its effectiveness to govern, its time for that government to close the doors. The Snyders will win by default. If they can run it, they will ruin it. END OF STORY.

Posted by: James Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:50 AM
I like David Snyder. A true rebel! A true nonconformist, a true antihero, a model for our times. You go David!

Posted by: Tracey Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:46 AM
Looks like the Town Marshall is to blame in this one I don't see where Snyder threw the first punch. Also in reading the paper Roseland is a real big kick first thing in the morning. My thoughts they ought to just Annex Roseland. Especially if they are wanting the public to make donations to pay their police officers. Roseland needs a new life.

Posted by: Don Location: south bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:44 AM
Why do you have a wndu poll in this story? How bout just reporting the news instead of trying to make the news..

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Posted by: Bonnie Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 05:44 AM
I can't believe that Roseland has the people on the council that represent the community! I am going to continue to click off or mute any further reports on Snyder or the town marshall.

Posted by: Dominic Location: Mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 02:17 AM
David Snyder got what he deserved. He was in the wrong, and resisted. The only reason that this makes news is due to the Snyders and Roseland eing the Soap Opera laughing-stock of the area. Now he seeks simpathy. What is sad is that he's a dead beat father and is not man enough to own up to his child support obligations. The Snyders just need to get the clue and leave this area. The only one that should be upset is his child, for having a father that obviously does not possess the maturity to conduct himself in a professional manner, or own up to being a father.

Posted by: 20/20 Location: New York on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:33 AM
If you watch the video closely, you see that there is a glass board to right of both men. It clearly shows that the officer shoved the suspect as he was turning around to go forward causing him to fall. This is a true case of brutality. I believe this video will be used as evidence which will have the officer charged and possibly sentence.

Posted by: Julia Location: South Bend on Sep 17, 2007 at 01:02 AM
I honestly do not like Mr. Snyder because he is very disrespectful to the community. However, the police officer looked like he went a little too far. then again we only seen a part of what happened.

Posted by: Mike Location: Unknown on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:52 AM
I viewed the video and didn't see where the officer did anything out of line. As far as I can tell he was just doing his job. Snyder had no right to disrupt the meeting the way he did and not expect to go to jail. And if the town clerk is well enough to go with Snyders wife to bail him out of jail then she should be well enough to attend the meetings!!!

Posted by: Ashley Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:28 AM
I think the officer should be stripped of his badge. If anybody saw the same video they can see, plain as day, Snyder only turned to comment on someone speaking in the room. He wasn't under arrest (he was just being escorted outside) so he wasn't trying to resist. It didn't look one bit like he tried, even slightly, to harm Tiller. And to Tiller's wife...it doesn't look like the video skipped a beat. Sure there was a slight moment not caught on camera, but Tiller had already shoved Snyder at that point. I don't know or care about the whole Roseland issue, but they have nothing to do with this situation at hand, which is, police brutality or excessive force. I agree with Joe from Warsaw: Jack says he swung at him, now thats bull because both of daves hands were full. And daves books were outside and so was his camera. Now if he had swung at him, wouldn't the books and camera be inside instead of outside?

Posted by: Sean Location: Benton Harbor on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:23 AM
The video is quite clear. The only thing that Mr. Snyder is guilty of is running his mouth. Both his hands are full as he walked into the hallway (camera and folder), and it is obvious that "Marshall" Tiller shoved him for no other reason than Snyder's comments as he was walking out the door. No police officer with this kind of discipline problem should ever be allowed on any police force. "Marshall" Tiller should be in jail, not on the police force. Thank God for video! ps I have no knowledge of previous events in Roseland, just what happened here. The entire council should be fired, especially Mr. Shields for his childish part. pss Mr Snyder will sue, and he will win. Good job by the council and police force on this.

Posted by: MARIE Location: mishawaka on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:14 AM
ppl need to open there eyes and watch the video close snyder was not hand cuffed he had a video in one hand and something in the other hand if you watch the little window in the video the officer shoved snyder all the way out the door snyder did nothing wrong to deserve to be humilated or miss treated in any way our first amendment is FREEDOM OF SPEECH and thats what snyder was doing.

Posted by: Chris Location: Indianapolis on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:11 AM
When the police tell you to leave, leave. If you refuse and just want to spout passive aggressive comments at the officer do not be surprised when you get your head bashed in. David Snyder had it coming and as a citizen I have no problem with the officers actions. They were totally justified.

Posted by: Jonny Location: Elkhart on Sep 17, 2007 at 12:03 AM
I can't believe Tiller's wife is sticking by him on this. I can't believe Tiller has a wife. What I do believe is that Tiller will be booked and jailed.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: somewhere in Indiana on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:59 PM
I truly do not agree with the behavior of the town marshal. As from the looks of the video, David Snyder did not whatsoever hit that cop. The town marshal just threw him down and started throwing punches. I really think that he should get his badge taken away. That is wrong... and I don't believe he was in the right. I can understand if something else happened that would cause the marshal to take further action, but honestly there is no REASON at all for him to have beat up on David Snyder. I am not picking sides, and although David Snyder has his faults, he did not deserve to have happen what did to him. What happens again if the marshal does this again and lashes out worse? MAybe he would kill the person? Then what would happen? I just hope that he gets the right discipline that he deserves for doing what he did.

Posted by: Allen Location: Goshen on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:58 PM
I think the whole thing is a circus. I wonder if they were to stop getting so much attention if they would stop. I would say there are many people involved in the Roseland issue who need to act like mature adults and stop behaving like children in a power struggle.

Posted by: Tom Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:57 PM
It'll be interesting to stand at the courthouse doors on Tiller's arraignment date to scream profanities at him. I can't wait. I think he should be held without bond until trial because he's an obvious danger to the community.

Posted by: Ray Location: Mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Well first of all i do nor agree with the snyders. But i also do not agree that 4 PUNCHES from a police officer is a right kind of justice for anything. In the video he pushed him out of the door and as 1 person said in another comment if he swung at the officer his stuff would have been inside and wow i seen it with my own 2 eyes it was outside.... so i believe it was the officer in the wrong and if you let him get away with it then my own kids have to watch there backs as well. I do not take it out on the whole force just a few cops who use their power and badges to get away with stuff they shouldnt we are all equal even with or without badges.... BADGES do not make us invisable to justice like any normal human being like if i went and hit someone 4 times it would be battery and i would be arrested just because he has a badge he is free from battery charges thats whats so messed up with our justice system. COPS SHOULD RESPECT THE LAWS AND NOT THEIR OWN HANDS OR JUDGEMENT!

Posted by: Jourdan Location: Mishiwaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:57 PM
I believe that the police force are out there to protect us,and that they are sometimes putting there life on the line,but sometimes they abuse there powers. In the video taken,you can tell Tiller pushed Snyder first. Then he continued to beat him to the ground, and once he was on the ground, he didnt cease. That is police brutality, and Tiller shouldnt get away with this. I admit i go against David Snyder one hundred percent, but that wouldnt give me the right to beat him. And to Laura who says people cant speak without seeing the whole video, what else is there to see? Snyder obviously hadnt touched him before the video was taken because Tiller was extorting Snyder out when he pushed him and then continued beating him. I dont think you have seen the whole video, and you can see clearly that there was no physical contact on Snyders side up to the point where Tiller pushed him into the wall. Whoever sides with the police is wrong, and i cannot understand your point of view at all.

Posted by: J Location: Michigan on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:55 PM
The police officer was WAY out of line. If I were to be in contact with a police officer, and he didn't agree with what I said, I shouldn't have to worry about getting my head slammed into the doors and pounded in three times. He should learn to control himself, and also lose his job. There are consequences to your actions, even when a Snyder is the victim.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Osceola on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:54 PM
My question ii why did neither one of the other 2 officers there help Officer Tiller control Mr Snyder? They just stood there and patted Tiller's back while he continued to hit Snyder in the head with his face in the pavement???? Snyder should have kept his mouth shut and just left but from what I could see and hear on the video Officer Tiller went to far! I agree with those who say they all need to grow up...this behavior may happen in Elementary or Jr High but in a council meeting with grown adults who are supposedly running your city! If I were a resident I would be calling for the resignation of them all and start fresh with some responsible adults who can conduct themselves in proper manner.

Posted by: Jon Doe Location: Goshen on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:50 PM
Looked to me like the cop was not provoked at all and pushed Mr Snyder through the door. watch the five minute video and watch the reflection in the glass door. Cops like this are the reason people are afraid of and do not trust the cops. How can anyone that attacks someone unprovoked be trusted to uphold truth and justice? Another cop on a power trip, taking advantage. This has been an ongoing struggle between a dirty town and their residents. This should not surprise anyone. After all that we have seen the Roseland residents do to each other over the years, what makes anyone think that their cops or marshalls would be any different. Redneck to the core, always have been and always will be. There is no saving these people. They have dug their own grave. Throw the cop in jail and another one will do somethng to defend his honor. This will never stop. They will be like this forever. Roseland does not deserve the time it gets in the press.

Posted by: disgusted Location: granger on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:46 PM
The Officer clearly shoved Snyder thru the door for no reason and logic dictates that there was no way that Snyder could have hit the Officer given how he was grabbed from behind. Further, the video showes the Officer repeatedly punching Snyder in the head while he lay face down on the ground with the Officer on his back. The Officer's actions were disgusting and he should be fired, not protected!!! I am not a Snyder suporter, but right is right, and the Officer was flat out wrong!!!

Posted by: Steve Location: Roseland on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:37 PM
I think that it is clearly time for South Bend to annex Roseland and disband the continuing circus that is our council and police force.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:28 PM
Snyder got what he's been asking for.

Posted by: Linda Location: Niles on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Are you kidding me? How could anyone say that this incident was NOT police brutality? I actually cannot stand the Snyders, and fully respect police officers everywhere, but I watched that video 3 different times, and though I cannot see the couple seconds it took for a camera to get a better view again, that police officer slammed Snyder into the door, Snyder fell to the ground, and that police officer beat the crap out of Snyder. IF, in that couple of seconds that we cannot see EXACTLY what happened, Snyder did something he shouldnt have, it DID NOT warrant the beating he took from an officer of the law. That officer needs anger managment and Roseland citzens need to take back their town from those clowns who are supposedly running it for them. If I lived in Roseland, I wouldnt tell anyone, I would be ashamed, especially after the fiasco I just saw on video. If it werent for the fact that I knew they were older people, i would have thought I was watching some kids fighting. GROW UP!!!

Posted by: anonymous Location: Knox on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:14 PM
If this man hit the offier how did all of the items he had in his hands get out side. The other question that I have is if this man was resisting so much why where the other 2 officers just standing there watching? And why were they putting thier hands on Jack as if to say that is enough. I am a police officer and from what I have seen and from what I know about Jack he tends to take things to far, and this proves it. I think that he should be fired and charges need to be pressed. From what i seen this man did not swing at jack at all when jack started shoving him out the door and if you are smart enough to watch the glass window in the back ground you can tell that.

Posted by: Bret Location: Warsaw on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:08 PM
For anyone to judge the officer's actions based on the short video tape is improper. This happens all too often. A short video clip of the police which gives the impression he/she is doing something wrong. It's like hearing half of the story and drawing your own conclusion without knowing all the facts.

Posted by: Rich Location: Niles on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:05 PM
The police are pretty much worthless. My home was broken into last year and I didnt bother contacting the police, bought a gun. Most cops were the picked on as kids and they already have a chip on thier shoulder. Society has not restrained police activity enough over the years. If you give the police the "benefit of the doubt" enough times......this is what becomes of it.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Let David Snyder sue the town. Then the judge should take any money awarded to him and send it to kids that the DEADBEAT DAD won't support

Posted by: Curious Location: Roseland on Sep 16, 2007 at 10:52 PM
I am curious as to the whole "arrest" thing. Was Snyder under arrest as he was leaving the building? Or did Tiller put Snyder under arrest after the Tiller grabbed him and shoved him face first into the plate glass door and out onto the pavement and then pounded him in the side of the head several times while the other cop and another man tapped on Tiller's back seemingly to make him stop hitting Snyder in the head. It seems that Snyder was just leaving peacefully until the point where he turned back to Tiller and said something, and immediatetly, Tiller grabbed him and shoved him into the door. So, cops can shoev you around, then if you try to defend yourself, or try to protect yourself from being bashed into a glass door, or thrown down on the pavement, you're automatically under arrest? I don't get it.

Posted by: Bob Location: Granger on Sep 16, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Well, David's back in jail.... I guess that's no suprise to anyone.... Here is a question... Why did he not just leave? Wasn't his beloved there to clean-up any mess he left behind... she always is! When he stopped to fold up the video camera, he was resisting arrest... The resist kept building as he walked to the door... Look at the video... the officer was very polite and did not touch Snyder until Snyder began balking as he got closer to the door... That Snyder would try something really stupid like taking a swing at the officer does not suprise me.... Snyders claims to have lost conciousness.... not on the videos! He is a LIAR, and his wife follows his every move. Unless you have had a subject on the ground trying to gain control with someone who CHOOSES to RESIST, don't judge the video. If the officer felt his well being was threatened, fear takes over and self preseveration kicks in... Snyder is a large man who uses his size to intimidate others, as criminal charges show!

Posted by: Laura Location: Mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 10:00 PM
This should not get all the publicity it is getting. Is there not any worthy news out there to report? The video taken shows the police officers reaction and not what lead up to it. How can someone honestly say from that video taken the police officer went too far with the use of force? It is not a big secret that the St. Joseph County agencies have very little support from the people they 'serve and protect'.I would expect all of the cop haters to come out and scream police brutality like they always do... Especially without seeing the whole video and just the last 1/4 that was taken. How typical.

Posted by: anonymous on Sep 16, 2007 at 09:58 PM
Peolpe bad mouth cops all the time but when things go south they are the first to expect help. Many people hate the police until they need help from them and then they love them. A cop puts on a bullet proof vest to go to work everyday to put his life on the line and protect people. But thats not what people look at. They look for the times an officer has to arrest somebody and has to use force to do so. Then they pick it apart and look for what that officer did wrong. All I can say to the people sending in all the comments screaming POLICE BRUTALITY is that if you think you could do the job better than these brave officers then why aren't you out there dealing with people like David Snyder? I side with the police man doing whatever he needs to in order to keep himself safe so he can continue to protect and serve the public. Besides, aren't we all sick of hearing about David Snyder and Roseland, anyway?

Posted by: Karen Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 09:55 PM
We all need to stop paying so much attention to this fiasco in Roseland. Ignore Dorothy and David Snyder and they will fade away once the attention is gone. After all bad attention is better than non at all. Let's try ignoring all of the - Penn and Shields included because so far thay seemed to have stooped to the same level as the Snyder's and it is not pretty. Everyone in the town government needs to grow up and act like adults and not not petulant children.

Posted by: bear Location: mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 09:30 PM
Enough is enough why don't the state step in disband the current council and police force and reqiure a new elelction not allowing the current group of people not back in office. if this dose not stop the fighting then make it a part of south bend.

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 09:28 PM
Why does the media give Roseland and that whole circus town any sort of attention? They all obviously enjoy making fools of themselves and the media spreads all of this nonsense!

Posted by: Steve-o on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:59 PM
Brandon, I think you and David Snyder need to wrestle it out in a match. He can't run a town and you can't sell anything.

Posted by: Tara Location: Dowagiac on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:50 PM
As I was reviewing the tape, it looks like David was not cooperating with the police and the cop was trying to get him to stop resisting his arm. Maybe if David would have acted like a grown adult he could have stayed in the meeting instead of getting kicked out. Why is it you don't see Charlie and Ted getting kicked out of the meetings? Wait I know.... They are grown adults with brains! David doesn't care about Roseland. He cares about the attention he is getting!~ David Snyder should be removed from the Council if at all possible!~

Posted by: Joe Location: Warsaw on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:47 PM
According to the video, its police brutality at it's finest. Especially the part when jack says, hey, who hit you jack, did you trip and fall dave. When dave was down, he kept hitting him time and time again. Where's the justice? I hope that jack gets his job takin away, we don't need officers like that tryin to protect us. Jack says he swung at him, now thats bull because both of daves hands were full. And daves books were outside and so was his camera. Now if he had swung at him, wouldn't the books and camera be inside instead of outside?

Posted by: Jim Location: Warsaw on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:43 PM
Regardless of "who started it", the officer should have showed some control and not not pummeled the moron. I feel for the poor hopeless citizens of Roseland, why don't you just petition them out or something? How can they still be there after making your community the laughing stock of the state? For goodness sake, get rid of them! Haven't you suffered enough??? Buy a clue!

Posted by: BL Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Ok, let's use common sense here. Nobody likes what the Snyders have done, BUT THAT DOES NOT GIVE A COP THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT TILLER DID TO DAVID SNYDER. Just because you do not like something someone does, never gives a cop the right to use police brutality as a cure. If we let Jack Tiller get by with this, then all cops will find it excusable behavior and use the "Jack Tiller Syndrome" as their defense. Oh and by the way, I used to work with Tiller and he raised his fist to me in anger. It too was captured on video. I tired to get something done but nothing ever happened to him. He has a history of anger issues including throwing a fit at a meeting years ago. They should have fired him then. He is indeed a rouge cop.

Posted by: Tara Location: Dowagiac on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:38 PM
"But David claims that’s not the case and he is considering a lawsuit against the town".... JUST WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS!!!! David Snyder is a snake!!!! He should have cooperated with the police instead he was smart mouthing the council and Police! He deserves to eat the pavement!

Posted by: Can't believe it Location: Indiana on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:37 PM
Well sure, Dorothy, of course David's spirits would be good. That's what is expected of someone with no conscious- he couldn't care less about anybody except himself. That's why you two make such a, ahem, "beautiful couple".

Posted by: Had Location: Enough on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:36 PM
Don't you think it's about time this Roseland Crap came to an end? Annex it to South Bend and let's get it over with. That town will NEVER be anything more than a wannabe suburb, anyway. One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch but a good apple cannot make the rotten ones good, either. Get lost Snyders. Get lost Gridley. Ted...submit for annexation so that the people of Roseland can live normal lives without this. that's gone on in the past.

Posted by: Lee Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:31 PM
What is the Prosecutor waiting on? File charges immediately against Tiller! You cannot look at that tape and possibly believe that Tiller is innocent.

Posted by: Tiller's Fan Location: Indiana on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:22 PM
I feel bad for Tiller's wife that she feels that her husband is getting smeared. In fact- he is my hero! It is about time David Snyder had his face rubbed in the pavement! It's just too bad Dorothy didn't get the same- they both are scum. Tiller for President!!!!

Posted by: Anne Location: Mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:16 PM
As much as I never agree with the Snyders and all of the Roseland nonsense, I think that what the officer did to David was unacceptable. That kind of behavior just shows why the town of Roseland is what it is... If it weren't for the cameras rolling I doubt that the felony charge would have been dropped.

Posted by: Jason Location: Benton Harbor on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:12 PM
I am really getting sick of hearing people say that Snyder has back child support. Okay I'll agree he seems to be scum, but come on people being scum doesn't give a cop the right to beat on you. Remember that we live in the United States and we have freedom of speech, not freedom of fist. Also, as far as the Jaguar goes, it appears to be an older model and is probably not worth that much. A 2000 xtype Jag goes for around $16,000 and this one appears to be older than that. Notice the chrome trim around the windows that goes back to at least the 90's. Also, Roseland probably has insurance to cover a lawsuit so if Snyder sues he will most likely get the money. However, Roseland's insurance premium will most likely go up.

Posted by: Brandon Location: New Carlisle on Sep 16, 2007 at 08:07 PM
If the Snyders hate Roseland so much why are they sticking around? Their only mistake isn't leaving Roseland fast enough to rob other cities in the US blind. What a career. Hey Snyders, be sure to leave a forwarding address so we can send your next town a sympathy card!

Posted by: Dorothy Snyder Location: Greater DownTown Roseland on Sep 16, 2007 at 07:56 PM
As a former St Joseph County Police officer, I think people should stick to this issue of police brutality and civil and constitutional rights. WNDU has an earlier story about custodial and non-custodial parent issues. So if people want to discuss child support that would be a good place. I invite everybody to http://www.myspace.com/RoselandIndiana to see what lenghts have been gone to, to keep video cameras being used at the Roseland town hall. Guess we all know why now. If you care, David's spirits are good and he is healing well. Please pray for Rev. Russell and Alice Snyder, David's parents. This has been very stressful on them. Thank you, Dorothy Snyder

Posted by: Tom Location: Carmel IND on Sep 16, 2007 at 07:56 PM
It surely does not smell like roses there. Its very sad to see these folks act like children, Charlie needs to consider what his input was to the situation and how he turned up the heat. The other verbal comments from people in the room and hallway were bad too. I am glad I live where I do and not there.

Posted by: Bob Location: Tippecanoe on Sep 16, 2007 at 07:52 PM
Listen to Ted Penn's description, sounds like Tiller has his behind covered. Personally I don't care. Put me on the jury I wouldn't award Snyder a dime. Police brutality, who knows. Snyder got what he deserved and I hope he gets jail time for assaulting an officer. I don't know the man, but anyone who beats up a 75 year old doesn't carry any credibility. The towns going bankrupt because of these idiots. At least 1 person can say he got a little satisfaction. I'd smack him around too if he gave half a reason.

Posted by: Joe Location: Mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 07:43 PM
I Don't think that the police officer should have lashed out like he did. (Pushing him, and punching him in the back of the head). I am agreeing with "JUSTWONDERIN" FROM MISHAWAKA. Jim, you would feel different. Thank you.

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Sep 16, 2007 at 07:39 PM
Ted Penn commented that he saw Snyder swing his elbows back towards the officer. It certainly seems like there was a brief window of opportunity for that to have occured and if it did then he got what the officers deemed neccesary. If not then it was a simple matter of someone training and devoting their life to protecting others in exchange for a decent wage and then having that ripped away because Snyder wanted to squabble over yard signs and such until Roseland was broke.

Posted by: Just Wonderin Location: Mishawaka on Sep 16, 2007 at 06:48 PM
To JIM in SOUTH BEND: You need to get a grip and stick to the subject at hand: unnecessary force by the police officer. Regardless of how you feel about Dave Snyder on a personal level, NOBODY deserves to be beaten by a person with that type of authority. And what the heck does this have to do with him not paying child support????? Again, stick to the issue at hand. In closing, I really hope that you are never put into a position like Snyder was - being on the receiving end of a brutal attack by a cop. Then again, maybe if you were, you'd feel differently.

Posted by: Deb Location: Elkhart on Sep 16, 2007 at 06:38 PM
I believe that the Snyders have caused enough problems for Roseland. It is time that they have figured out that they need to leave and let Roseland rebuild itself. The people of Roseland have said they want them gone, it is time the police are involved. It is too bad that the police have to be this involved with a towns government meetings.

Posted by: David Location: Tennessee on Sep 16, 2007 at 06:18 PM
After watching this fiasco for some time and watching the latest video, my opinion, by seeing the two walk from the room, and the reflection in the window, is that the town marshall instigated the matter, however, it is a sign of the public being increasingly tired of the Snyder situation. The Snyders should had gotten out of the picture long ago and left the area if they could not have stayed out of things. Lets see the latest issue settled and show the Snyders the door.

Posted by: Tee Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 05:47 PM
He won't be a deadbeat dad much longer, not with the money he'll be getting. I bet that'll finally bankrupt the town. And to Jim from South Bend complaining about him being a deadbeat, "you're just mad cause this guy hit the jackpot and you didn't".

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 16, 2007 at 05:07 PM
Not even 56% of those polled think the police force was excessive? Did everyone watch the same video I saw? What a dangerous world we live in on the brink of fascism.

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 04:20 PM
So, the deadbeat dad may sue Roseland for the latest fiasco? Thanks to him and his lovely wife's antics, they have no money to pay him, should he win (which I doubt.) Snyder should get a real job and pay his back support. Anytime there is anything involving a police officer, the anti-cops idiots show up in force, as they have done in your comments. Next time you are robbed, call a councilman instead of the police.

Posted by: Stephen Location: New Carlsile on Sep 16, 2007 at 03:39 PM
When Will the Snyders finally see they are not wanted around roseland. if they are so unhappy with their treatment by the council as well as the residents of Roseland then give up your position on the council and move. the Snyders have already destroyed the towns moral as well as their budget. they wont rest till Roseland goes belly up and is taken over by the city of south bend.

Posted by: tigger Location: south bend on Sep 16, 2007 at 02:31 PM
lol you can sue the town but its not like you'll get anything, you already bankrupted the thing.


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