Excessive Force and Police Arrests Save Email Print
Posted: 2:15 PM Sep 16, 2007
Last Updated: 2:07 PM Feb 19, 2008
Reporter: Stephanie Stang
Email Address: stephanie.stang@wndu.com


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Recently the use of excessive force during police arrests has been a hot topic in the news.

 
Do you think the police went too far with their use of force in David Snyder's arrest?
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It is an issue police officers face everyday when making arrests.

On Friday Roseland town council member David Snyder was kicked out of the town council meeting by council president Charley Shields.

A physical incident then broke out while Snyder was being escorted out of the meeting by Roseland Police Marshal Jack Tiller.

Since Snyder's arrest, hundreds of comments have been posted on our website, many of which question how much force was really needed to arrest the council member.

On a national scale protests against campus police erupted at the University Of Florida.

A student was tasered while asking a question at a John Kerry speech.

Many police agencies follow a force continuum policy when dealing with aggressive suspects. It basically means the office will use one more degree of force than the suspect when trying to arrest them.

"The goal is to get your suspect in a pair handcuffs subdued so he or she does not destroy the squad car… so he or she is not capable or hurting someone else. It is a judgment call on whether you have accomplished that goal," says Capt. Phil Trent with South Bend Police.

No word yet on whether Jack Tiller is being investigated.

He is still on active duty at Roseland's police department.

Meanwhile David Snyder will be in court for two misdemeanor charges on October Fourth.

Roseland town council president Charlie Shields kicks council member David Snyder out of Friday\'s budget meeting. Snyder was kicked out after arguing how long he was given to speak.
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Posted by: You can tell Location: he's an idiot on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:16 PM
He needs to be knocked sillier than he already is. He is what we used to call an opportunist. Always looking to get over in any way they can. The country is full of people like him.

Posted by: Melissa Dawn Location: Kennewick WA 99337 on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM
South Bend IN is ugly! I grew up there when it wasn't so bad and you could go to areas that where nicer. Now its just ugly and you would think where Notre Dame is would be beautiful. I have never been so disappointed. The police are rude and please don't ask questions they will scream at you or make you feel badly for asking a question. So I will never go back unless someone dies in the family.

Posted by: JoyLeaf Location: Arizona on Jul 30, 2008 at 05:31 PM
I watched the video several times, including frame by frame and paying attention to the reflection in the window/door. No matter how verbally offensive Tiller found being called a Bully he was the only one to get physical. Of course they say there are only two witness, and ignore what can be plainly seen in the video and knowing about the Blue Wall don't bother with the cop who followed them through the door. Hey Jack! You are a Bore, a Bully, and an Ignoramus. When you have had some one read that to you and explain what it means you gonna beat me up too? After all I'm only 5'2" and female, you should be able to handle it. HA HA.

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 21, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Excessive force? I don't think they used ENOUGH force.

Posted by: human Location: earth on Jul 14, 2008 at 05:40 PM
a citizenry will only BE policed as much as THE CITIZENRY will ALLOW ITSELF to BE policed.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
if I didnt see it I wouldnt believe it. he is an american citizen. the cop was out of order.

Posted by: Sue Roseland Location: South Bend on May 5, 2008 at 01:28 AM
The video is evidence, but the reputation of Roseland police speaks for itself. The officer's reputation is well known, and he had absolutly no justification for this brutal assault on a AMERICAN Citizen. Where is the STATE POLICE in this matter? Do you think local authorities would arrest one of their own? Why was this incedent not investigated immediatly by the state police in light of the evidence that is so apparently proof of police brutality.

Posted by: johndoe Location: callif on Apr 18, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Did this Nazi cop get arrested or are they giving him a Patriot Act award.

Posted by: wayne Location: mich on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM
if we keep tuning our heeds the other way the polce will get more power to do what they want yes i seen the police do worst

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Elkhart on Apr 8, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Michiana Bird Society got a hit on February 6, 2008 about the disrptuion of meetings by one member. The yfixed the problem, that member was expeslled from the club by a 90% vote of the membership when it only required a simple majority. The meetings will be fun, eductional and a joy to come to now that the problem has been eradicated.

Posted by: J Location: Cleveland, OH on Mar 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I've read thru quite of few of the previous posts...ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDIN" ME? COME ON ALREADY. This is just inexcusable behavior for the entire area. Michiana in general seems to have a fog over thier eyes, cant seem to see the real issues here and what needs to be done about it. The snyders are not the problem here. I could really care less what the snyders personal finances are. The issue is that a cop went too far and it was uncalled for! especially in a town council meeting! That isnt professional, any way you look at it.WAKE UP! Again, South Bend...2nd largest city in Indiana...acting as if thier only a population of 200. You have many voices...USE THEM!

Posted by: Dwayne Location: south bend on Mar 19, 2008 at 08:01 PM
someone said the folks ordered david snider out and would not let him speak. well it seems that i had seen time and time again when THE SNIDERS did the very same thing .the only diffrence was david snider was not wanting to leave with out causeing problems . the folks they kicked out left with out a problem.david new just what he was doing and was hopeing to sue so he could pay off his child sapport and live well .he more than likely did'nt want to listen to his wife complainig about loseing everything

Posted by: Tom V Location: Niles on Mar 17, 2008 at 08:36 AM
I have never seen anything so unprofessional in my whole life . When I say that I mean the board members and the big mouth lady in the back ground yelling about getting even because of her dad . It is so obvious that this guy is so far under there skin that he has turned them all into a bunch of fools so if you can not handle people questioning you , quit the board . You have all made Roseland look like a joke . And for that bald headed bully cop you are a good example of what a BAD cop is and I only pray you are held responsible for your actions . Fire him and sue him , he is a complete idiot who did nothing right . Good luck Roseland because with the old bunch of fools I see on your board , its going to be a good long time before you get something done there .

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 4, 2008 at 05:46 PM
ithink the feds should do a intense investigation in snyderland,ooops i mean roseland on the snyders they would probably dig up alot on these two,like where did all of the town money go?having these two on the council was like putting a snake in a mouse cage

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 4, 2008 at 05:41 PM
the snyders should have been removed from the council imediatly after their relationship was known.Then this would have never been a problem.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 23, 2008 at 01:41 PM
rumor has it that jack tiller is now working for Ted Penn in a power washing business. funny how those two have stayed close together....

Posted by: Chris Location: Los Angeles on Feb 22, 2008 at 04:55 AM
Wow - look at these scum lie about what happened even though the video totally contradicts their testimony! This Ted Penn clown says he saw David attack the cop, while the cop himself claims he was hit!! Lying scum - thank God the video captured it otherwise their false testimony would have convicted David. This is criminal behavior, especially by the cop - he should be fired, arrested, and sued!!!

Posted by: Kassie Location: Indianapolis on Feb 20, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I am ashamed to be a hoosier.. If you look closely at the reflection on the glass as he's going out, you can see the punk police officer push him to the ground. I guess he didn't like being called a bully. if it's walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck... This officer should be fired, the guy that was beat should be rich...He already cost them 50,000 Well Roseland starting counting

Posted by: Anonymous Location: near Michigan on Feb 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Duh Kathy Charlie Shields was the one using profanity, interupting a fellow council member, then pulled a Hitler because Snyder was right. That is not Robert Rules of Order. Sounds like you would fit into Roseland just fine, apply right away to join Rev Ted & Rosemary Penn's church and you too can "prune the vine" of people who should not be allowed to be where you don't want them.

Posted by: kathy Location: South Bend on Feb 6, 2008 at 02:19 PM
You think Roseland town council meetings get crazy, you should go to a Michiana Bird Society meeting this Sunday. They have one member who continuously disrupts their meetings, an has been doing so for years! The club's board is afraid to kick the disruptive person out of the meetings, so the rest of the club just suffers thru it! More power to Mr. Shields, throw the disruptive bums OUT!

Posted by: VE Location: Illinois on Feb 3, 2008 at 12:18 AM
A law enforcement officer should NEVER strike ANYONE, certainly not when the person is on the ground and restrained! Though not totally clear what happened, it looked like Tiller slammed Snyder through the door to the ground and started beating Snyder without provocation. Marshall Tiller should be stripped of his badge. If this man is not stripped of his badge, then the community (and State) openly disgraces everything the badge stands for.

Posted by: Hannu Location: finland on Jan 9, 2008 at 04:26 AM
I`m SO happy we dont have this kind of super idiot cops here in Finland! This guy is a BIG JOKE!!

Posted by: Bilderbooger Location: Police State Hoosierland on Jan 5, 2008 at 03:48 PM
This is a clear case of police brutality. No matter what the locals opinion of Mr. Snyder are, or the history of Mr. Snyder's actions during council meetings, the use of force is never justified. The officer involved should face state Felony assault charges, as well as federal violation of civil rights charges under the color of law. As for the others, they should be fired from their positions, and the Mayor and Council Members should be barred from ever holding public office.

Posted by: Robert Location: Tennessee on Jan 4, 2008 at 05:18 PM
So what if anything has happened to Jack 'Hammer" tiller for his beating of snyder? the last i heard it was trying to be swept under the rug by the good-ole-boy system of justice they got in place there in roseland. Was anything ever done to tiller or did he get off scott free for his unlawful actions?

A grand jury had the case and reported that they did not find enough evidence for any charges. WNDU covered the story in early December. -WNDU.com


Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 30, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Check out David Snyder's press release "grand jury investgation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGDPcYsGBo8

Posted by: Nick Location: North Vernon, IN on Dec 29, 2007 at 11:58 AM
A law enforcement officer should NEVER strike ANYONE for ANY reason, especially when the person is on the ground and restrained! Town Marshall Jack Tiller should be stripped of his badge and NEVER allowed to 'serve' the public again. After all his position is one to 'serve and protect' the public. The footage does not give a clear inclination as to what may occurred outside of the public's eyes. However, that does NOT constitute any reasoning for the Marshall to strike a man that's all ready on the ground...PERIOD! If this man is not stripped of his badge, then the community (and State) openly disgraces everything the badge stands for.

Posted by: cb Location: granger on Dec 19, 2007 at 07:18 PM
everyone got there moment of Fame..now grow up and move on.what are you all teaching OUr kids..to act like idiots! there are kids sick and dying.come on people..penn let it go!synders ,if you want attention ,you got it,go away..PLEASE

Posted by: Scared Location: By Police on Nov 30, 2007 at 09:49 AM
Way to down play what happened in this story. Sounds like nothing happen when in fact the offier assualted Snyder. It sickens me to see this town dealing with this in such a poor manner. Defending the actions of the obviously in the wrong officer. Making up stories that make you look worse because the video says otherwise. Down playing the seriousness of the events. Defering this until Dec so everyone would have forgotten. The world outside Roseland sees this for what it is, it is only Roseland that is saying "I didn't see anything wrong". Yes police like to use thier taser when they shouldn't. This story fails to mention the kid in Flodia at the Kerry speech was tased after he was in cuffs. Good thing Tiller doesn't have one.

Posted by: roy Location: michigan on Nov 17, 2007 at 06:24 PM
time to clean out these corupt police stations these guys should be charged with assault. and if city officials cannot let people state their opinions at their meetings than they need voted out.

Posted by: robert Location: new zealand on Nov 9, 2007 at 01:36 AM
i am a new zealander living in the united states for the next year and never in my life have i ever seen such disgusting and atrocious behaviour by any law enforcing officer, in new zealand we have no such problems with police brutality and therefore the new zealand citizens have no reason to rebel against the law, this event is not only a disgrace to this small area, to this officer but also to the whle of the corrupt government and leading authorities

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Roseland on Nov 4, 2007 at 11:00 AM
Tiller's actions are a disgrace to his family and Roseland. They are his fault not the Snyders. What a joke of a comment. You are part of the problem.

Posted by: Someone Location: Somewhere on Nov 1, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Roseland has had problems with a corrupt "government" for years even before the Snyders. Dorothy has thrown many people out of those meetings with police force previously. I do know that these comments are trying to destroy a man who worked almost for free for many months. He has a family and children and these comments are being made without any thought to someone who does care for his kids and family.

Posted by: David Location: Texas on Oct 20, 2007 at 01:10 AM
Yee-haw!! Come'on over to Roseland, where we backward folk use the town marshal to beat people. Instead of talkin and reasonin, we watch marshal punch 'em in the head and yell "yeah! get'em!" What a sick look at Amerika

Posted by: steve Location: Arizona on Oct 19, 2007 at 06:26 AM
This has nothing to do with the troops in Iraq. I don't care who this man is, he did not deserve this abuse from that police officer.

Posted by: Steve Location: Denver on Oct 17, 2007 at 05:36 PM
I want to thank the city of Roseland, Indiana for an EXCELLENT example of what kind of scum we are hiring now to do "police work." Perhaps the SHAME and EMBARRASSMENT will sting the good folks of Roseland enough to effect the entire national mindset of this new attack dog mentality, that seems to permeate this new breed of Pit bull law enforcement. Thanks again Roseland!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 14, 2007 at 11:08 AM
This is factual information on how people are threatened in Roseland Indiana with council majority Ted Penn and Charlie Shields this was taken on February 22, 2006: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVGqaYH9w0

Posted by: DEBBY FOX Location: CALIFORNIA on Oct 14, 2007 at 05:04 AM
I found out through extensive research that it is legal for police to recketeer in Los Angeles. Their crimes are hidden and rewarded. I also found out that the United Nations has a task force collecting information on police abuse. Tell all your friends that no matter what the abuse , contact the police crimes division at the United Nations. Also, tell all your friends to vote in a citizen review board in every town in America. I bet you wouldn't be seeing rogue cops. The citizen review board has investigative powers, as well as the power to arrest. The citizen review