Poverty Here at Home: Part 2
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St. Joseph County, IN
Posted: 11:00 PM Nov 19, 2008
Last Updated: 12:26 PM Nov 20, 2008
Reporter: Alana Greenfogel
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The image of poverty is not what you might think.

National Geographic travels to far-off corners of the world to capture images of the emaciated child with flies around his head, but poverty is not exotic and it’s not foreign; it’s right here at home.

NewsCenter 16’s Alana Greenfogel continues to investigate what the community does in response to poverty.



Let’s make the concept of poverty tangible: If it costs a costs a child $3 a day for lunch, that is $600 for the entire school year for just that one child. If you want your three kids to get a flu shot, it’ll cost around $90 if you don’t have health insurance.

Those are prices that many families in St. Joseph County cannot afford. So how does the community respond to children in poverty through education and healthcare?

In the strictest of places, the St. Joe County Juvenile Justice Center, where rules are to be followed and orders go without question, there is one thing they hope will be broken: the cycle of poverty.

“The only way to break generational poverty in this society is to get a better education,” says Dr. Bill Bruinsma, with the St. Joe County Probate Court.

More drop-outs and less parental participation make it hard on area schools.

“This is a very critical issue,” says South Bend School Superintendent James Kapsa. “The students that are in that poverty level have a higher risk of dropping out.”

Kapsa continues saying, “Many schools are trying to improve parents’ participation, parent involvement.”

About half of the students in South Bend schools may starve if it weren’t for the school system’s free lunch program.

Here’s how it works: if three-quarters of the students at a school live in poverty, the school provides the meals.

“We can promise them a decent breakfast, a decent lunch, and if they stay after school, snacks would be available at well,” says Kapsa.

Out of South Bend’s 33 schools, 18 qualify for the free lunch program and another three schools will be joining soon.

“A lot of our parents that fall into that category right now look to us in order to end the problem that they have,” Kapsa explains.

The School Board is exploring alternative kinds of education, like a vocational school, enhancing its tutoring options and using creating teaching techniques, so the schools can give these kids who are living in poverty a little room to steal a base.

“Many times it puts them… having two strikes against them,” says Kapsa. “Coming in not being totally prepared, maybe having the resources, staying abreast of what is expected in a classroom. And that is a terrible disadvantage to put in front of any child.”

“I do believe that poverty has a lot to do with crime. And it goes back to trying to keep up with the Joneses, so to speak,” says Sergeant Eric Crittendon, a school resource officer. “Kids may not be able to afford, let’s say the Playstation. What are they going to do to get the Playstation?”

Healthcare is another problem.

“Here in St. Joseph County we’re really not doing very well,” says David Roos, part of Covering Kids and Families of Indiana.

And when Roos says the county is not doing well, it is not because healthcare resources aren’t here; people just don’t know about them.

One of those places is the Indiana Health Center.

“They provide very expansive services,” says Roos. “Their doors are open to basically anyone.”

It is one of three facilities that are paid for by the state.

“Our mission is really to serve the population that doesn’t have health insurance,” explains pediatrician Dr. Ziya Toper.

“They provide a sliding fee scale,” says Roos. “They provide Medicaid coverage, they provide Medicare coverage.”

In theory, every child, rich or poor, could have healthcare. But in reality, that isn’t the case.

Roos says, “We aren’t doing enough to help those children and help those families.”

Now, if you are not living in poverty and you can afford private healthcare, you are part of this too.

“I think many consumers don’t understand that, really, they are paying for it,” says Roos. “Even if you live in Granger and you get private health insurance coverage, that, in effect, because of the way the healthcare system works, you’ll actually be paying for some of the costs that is provided by our hospitals and our health clinics.”

Roos continues, “Are there more people uninsured in St. Joseph County than there were a year ago? Absolutely. Are we doing enough with the resources that are already available? The answer to that is clearly no.”

St. Joseph County actually has more healthcare facilities for poor families than most counties in the state, but one of the lowest number of children actually signed up with health insurance.


Tonight, Alana Greenfogel concludes our three-part series on poverty in our area by taking a look at what we all, as a community, can do about it.

To read Part 1 of the series, click here.

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Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM
So Mr/Ms IUSB...while you were playing your marble game, did you ever stop to think of the people that are juggling their marbles in real life? Trust me, it is not a game. If you feel so strongly about "saving" the people in the middle of the road, then invite them into your home and play marbles with them. Have you even had a psych course yet? If you feel so strongly about classrom theories, then what about the children who are considered damaged goods because of their narcissistic, druggy parents? As long as society continues to make excuses, and there is no responsibility for actions and choices, the cycle of FRAUD will continue. By the way, as harsh as you might think that I am, I cook and deliver food to the homeless shelter. I believe that these people that have hit rock bottom are open to accepting responsibility for their lives and deserve a chance. Unfortunately, the abusers won't hit that point because our tax $ continues to bail them out.

Posted by: IUSB STUDENT on Nov 22, 2008 at 03:13 PM
If you see those people in the middle of the road drinking, smoking etc--run them over. Ruin your life. Maybe we should be trying to help them get out of the road.

Posted by: MH Location: Indiana on Nov 22, 2008 at 01:35 AM
To Anonymous at 9:44 - I agree with you that about those that abuse the system. They make me angry too. BUT what I am talking about are the posts that say the children are not our problem. We can't throw them away because of a few bad apples. Some of the people on here don't want ANYONE given help. Each and every individual case should be thoroughly looked into before giving out any assistance. But those children that are in that homeless shelter, especially those that are disabled or sick should be looked after first. There are so many homeless right now because of the economy, that they are turning families away from the shelter. Would you want to sleep outside right now? Probably not. Do you want LITTLE CHILDREN to sleep outside right now? Because that is what's happening. That is what is upsetting me! Go to the shelter and find out for yourself!

Posted by: Lynn Clothier Location: Indianapolis, In on Nov 21, 2008 at 06:15 PM
Wow Alana, thank you for doing this series! Also many thanks for including IHC@SB in your piece. An extremely minor correction (that does not need to be corrected in print): IHC@SB is not "paid for by the state." IHC and many other non-profit health centers have contracts with ISDH to offer discounted fees (based on family size and income) for uninsured health services for individuals and families living below 200% of the federal poverty level. IHC@SB also has funds from the Federal goverment. Many thanks to you again, Lynn Clothier, CEO Indiana Health Centers, Inc.

Posted by: anon Location: mishawaka on Nov 21, 2008 at 03:31 PM
My son joined the Navy to support his family after being layed off several times (RV) and once to an illegal immigrant. His wife stood behind a lady in a store while she used her WIC coupons etc to buy food for the kiddies and then shelled out cash for a couple of cartons of ciggies. Quit smokin' and feed your babies lady. But then... it's what everybody else has said here - how do people get taught responsibility by irresponsibility - we're on 5-6 generation welfare recipients playing the system. Some people like it. Some people are trying to get a real job to get out of it. I won't fling Bible scriptures at anyone, we're not to judge. Teach responsibility, dicipline, accountability, maybe a little readin', writin' and 'rithmatic in school so kids will graduate being able to spell, do math in their heads and read!!! Now that's a novel idea!! I would hire the diciplined, driven individual who wants to work. Like Grampa said - you have to work for everthing in this world.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: south Bend on Nov 21, 2008 at 03:10 PM
To SingleMom: I totally agree that irresponsible men can be a problem, but you have responsibility for your situation as well. Perhaps you could be more selective about whom you choose to sleep with? Kudos for working to better your life and that of your daughter.

Posted by: SingleMom Location: Goshen on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I believe the answer for the child support problem is for fathers to be placed in jail and then put on work-release - then give their entire paycheck to the mother. I'm a responsible single mom who knows I will never receive child support since the father is on SSI. I chose to raise my child on my own and breack off the engagement with her father because I refused to support a man who should have been supporting his family. He has had jobs in addition to his SSI, but then he quit because child support enforcement would come after him. They can't give me or my child any support because of the SSI. Meanwhile, I have struggled, worked my way into a good job, on my own, and I've gone to school, also, and will graduate in 2009 with my Bachelor's degree. And, we just bought a house with the help of LaCasa (the only organization who would help me, since I "make too much money," and everyone else laughed and turned me away.) Irresponsible men are the problem, not single mothers.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM
To MH-I think the point that you are missing is that there are those that are truly in need and unable to get assistance because of the rampant abusers of the system. You are right-no decent human being would allow a child, OR A SENIOR CITIZEN to freeze or starve. But what about the people collecting assistance that STILL allow this to happen? Thus, the problem. These people ARE inhumane and their priorities are not their children. They get that money and run out and buy their drugs, booze, and bling and we are expected to supplement their children even more because of their lack of priorities and values. Am I angry? YES. You might judge me as being immoral and unchristian but it is a crime that the people that have worked and fallen on hard times can not get the assistance they need and HAVE PAID INTO because of the abusers. I see it day in and day out. It is those people that have been the target of deserved criticism on these posts.

Posted by: the high school after high school on Nov 21, 2008 at 02:07 AM
Ok, IUSB STUDENT, how are you going to tell people with low IQs not to have kids before they are financially secure? What's the plan, Stan?

Posted by: MH Location: Indiana on Nov 21, 2008 at 01:27 AM
To Taxpayer - I did not single you out in particular, but if the shoe fits... Back to the children that I described. What do think all of us should do? Just watch them freeze to death or starve to death? I don't think so! No decent human being would do that. I guess you are the type that thinks children are expendable. AND, I really don't care if you believe in God and the Devil or not. You will find that out after you die.

Posted by: Taxpayer on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:57 PM
To MH: ...and it begins. Everything all goes back to Jesus and the Devil. I am surprised you did not pull out the Bible quotes on me too. Your religious threats have no effect on me. Back to the story, fortunately for these children, they have you to support them, right? That is, outside of what we all pay to support them financially. Continue enabling the parents and they will continue having more and more children whom you just described.

Posted by: IUSB STUDENT on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
To MH: AMEN! To Taxpayer: Care more for people that are less fortunate than you! We are all taxpayers. And that's the bottom line! Ohh...and after I graduate from IUSB, there is one more thing to pay besides taxes...it is called STUDENT LOANS on top of your other bills.

Posted by: MH Location: Indiana on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:03 PM
CHILDREN do not choose to be lazy, stupid, or poor. They cannot get jobs. They cannot help themselves. SO WHAT if you think their parents are worthless welfare leeches that don't deserve anything. The children still should not have to suffer. BABIES and little kids are going without a warm place to lay their heads on these cold winter nights. If you were out in this weather with no warmth and hungry, you would be crying your big selfish tears and wanting someone to help you. But you won't have to worry, because the devil will keep you warm when you die.

Posted by: Taxpayer on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:40 PM
IUSB STUDENT: You will be forced to "step up to the plate" once you graduate and take a job. It is called TAXES. We all pay them so that these leeches can head to Walmart, fill up their cart with soda, chips, candy, and fried chicken wings, then pay for it all with their food stamps. It makes you feel great, like you are helping out "society", when you drive toward the airport on a Tuesday afternoon, around 2 pm and they are all hanging out outside smoking, drinking, and walking around while their three kids are playing in traffic. "We as a society need to address the issues of" welfare fraud!!! I think one of my favorites is watching them park in the handicapped spaces with their handicapped vehicles and literally run inside the store to get out of the rain! Warm fuzzies!!!

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Nov 20, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Hey Patrick, just remember pal, work harder - people on welfare are counting on you! And for you slam all's out there, READ (try hard) the entire statement. I agree there are people who actually need assistance, but MANY MORE who suck the system down. One of the posted comments were correct, not the first time I've heard this either, that "Your the wrong color." If your white, and things are bad right now - good luck. It's reverse discrimination. I guess if your black your automatically assumed you should get help.

Posted by: IUSB STUDENT on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:45 PM
I always thought that poverty was a choice until I took a class on parenting at IUSB. We played a marble game- and when your marbles were gone you were homeless. Even though I obtained 19 marbles I always felt I was close to the edge. My view is different. We as a society need to address the issues of poverty. We are indeed our brothers keeper. We have a responsibility to invest the future and well being of everyone in our community. I'm willing to step up and do whatever it takes to make a difference are you?

Posted by: Anon Location: Mishawaka on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:34 PM
I believe help should be for those who really need it. I believe that many abuse the system. I believe that evaluation systems should be more stringent. I believe that illegal aliens should get help in their own country. I believe that able bodied individuals should be given the right to work for benefits they receive, not sit at home.

Posted by: Nick Location: Niles on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:15 PM
I grew up poor but I didn't use that as an excuse. I got an education, a career and now support myself. I didn't wait for the government to save me or turn to a life of crime. Don't use poverty as an excuse. Life is what you make of it. Don't expect others to pay for your bad choices and mistakes. And yes having kids in a abusive relationship is YOUR fault not mine. Try not having kids until you are with the person long enough to see what kind of person they are. Everyone I know who had kids with an abusive husband knew exactly the kind of person they were with, they just "loved" them too much to leave. STOP having more kids when you can't afford the first one. I realize there are exceptions to these situations, but if the system wasn't abused so much then there would be plenty of money for those who really need and deserve it. I'm sure this post will draw a lot of anger, but that's the great part about America - the ability to express our differences and have an open debate

Posted by: EH Location: South Bend on Nov 20, 2008 at 03:26 PM
If we don't make an investment in these kids now, we'll all pay the price later through high health care costs, providing social services, crime and violence. Anyone who is not helping people move forward by volunteering, educating, nourishing others in some way had no place to complain. Criminals should be punished, but we have the chance to contribute to our mutual success... do we not? Everyone knows there will always be some crime and poverty - our lending a hand doesn't just benefit the poor. Do what you can and you may find yourself a little less fearful and angry, and with less reason to be.

Posted by: MH Location: Indiana on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Some of you don't want to know or see the truth. You are cowards. Don't just read about the homeless. Go see them for yourselves. If you have any guts at all, I ask you again to go to the Homeless Shelter and look into the eyes of those children. If you can walk away from there totally uneffected, then you have no heart, no conscience, and no hope for your soul.

Posted by: S Location: SB on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Life is tough and nobody is promised a rose garden so get to work. No one in my family went to college or supported me to do so but I went anyway. I worked and saved. I could get the free school lunches but I didn't. I brought my own. I didn't have health insurance and I found out myself about programs and made payments when I had to. All you bleeding hearts out there need to stop making excuses for all these lazy zombies and get a real hobby. If you can't feed, cloth and set your childern on the path to better themselves don't have them. Quit whining and put up or shut up. Get rid of the cell phone and buy some bread. Do I need to go on? This is the land of opportunity NOT welfare!

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Potential solutions: 1) If you are on welfare and continue to have children, your welfare payment should decrease with each additional child, or the children should become wards of the state and offered up for adoption. The way the system works now only exacerbates and perpetuates poverty. 2) Institute mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients. 3) Provide a free sterilization procedure for anyone who wants one. I would just as soon my taxes be spent preventing unwanted children, rather than supporting them in an endless cycle of poverty.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Osceola on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:52 PM
I just want to remind the people attacking others about how many children they have, that if people stop having children, who is going to be in the work force when you are old and need social security? Who is going to be paying taxes to help with your health care and other living expenses when you are old? Our population is not growing anymore. There will come a time when the number of retired and elderly will outnumber the younger generation in the work force. Something to think about. It is not the number of children that causes poverty.

Posted by: Heidi Location: Nappanee on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I've been turned away for making too much money (by $1000) and we all know what my income says is only a fraction of what I bring home. I do thankfully work in healthcare so I do have insurance but buying food and paying bills after that is really getting hard on a single income. I honestly feel for those who have more children (I have one and its hard enough for me). Something has to be done.

Posted by: B in SB Location: SB on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I can barely believe what I'm reading here that somehow I have to feel guilty and give up money from my hard earned paycheck because these welfare kids don't have a PlayStation!?!? Who cares what the situation is, if you steal you should go to jail, period! I agree with Anonymous7:42am I am so sick of seeing these "fake nails/hair extension/Coach bag carrying" types who can't even provide the most simple peanut butter & jelly sandwich for their children and now I have to pay for their kids to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner even during the summer! This has gone far beyond ridiculous and soon the working folks who have to follow the laws and pay their own bills are going to get fed up and take action!

Posted by: Myrt on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:13 PM
I agree with Tracey & Mo- I too left an abusesive relationship/2 kids. I made just enough money NOT to qualify for anything, but still had problems making ends meet. We managed my my kids now have kids of their own and are productive citizens. If we all waited until we could AFFORD to have children, most of us would be childless. Don't classify EVERYONE receiving aid as working the system, lazy, druggies, etc. Sometimes things happen in life that you can't control and you need help. Thank God the help is there for those who need it. We need to focus on those who are "using" the system and try to correct those problems.

Posted by: Josh Location: South Bend, IN on Nov 20, 2008 at 11:11 AM
I am 23 years old (going on 24 in 5 days)and I am an autistic adult and still live with my parents. I went to Ivy Tech to study drafting for three years to try and get this job. Since May 2007 I am still looking for that job. My biggest challenge is that these jobs are almost non existant here in South Bend (with no previous experience required). And my communication problems also bar me from getting this job. Yes, I did get good grades at Ivy Tech and even graduated on the Dean's List for maintaining a 3.5 GPA. But that means nothing if a person has bad communication skills and not to mention the job market nowadays is HORRIBLE. I am now currently working at a warehouse at $7.00 an hour. Alana, open your eyes! Autistic people are usually at higher risk for becoming poor or homeless than the general population. I could be one of them. I pray to God daily to try and live a happy & healthy future. 7 or 8 dollars an hour won't cut now days. Not even 10.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 11:01 AM
i had a lot to say, but looks like it was already said. why isn't the goverment run by US?

Posted by: Mo Location: South Bend on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM
I agree with Tracy.The same thing happened to me years ago.And even when I left my exhusband 4 years ago with 2 kids,I couldn't get help anywhere bc I 'made too much money',yet I had to decide whether to pay my rent,utilities,etc or feed my kids.(I was not and still don't get child support)I couldn't even get food stamps.Yet I see women with 2 and 3 cart fulls of groceries the day food stamps come out and drive away in caddies.Our system is not fair here.As for Robert and My Problem,my guess is you don't have kids. And if you do,pray you don't lose your job. Not everyone who has kids,even more than 1 kid,is stupid and uneducated. You talk as if people are animals and getting them "fixed" will solve anything. Well, you can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Recently Single on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:03 AM
I think the people in our State offices are all greedy politicians who only help out lazy people who continually live off the state. I am sick and tired of it. I am recently separated with 2 children. I got out of an abusive marriage and when I went to the Welfare office for temporary assistance while I got back on my feet, I was denied. They wouldn't even review my case because I made too much money. Where do they get these income guidelines anyway. I think if you are going to get assistance from the system you should have a job and you should have to take drug tests. You shouldn't be allowed to walk around popping kids out one after the other and then sit on your butt watching Oprah. Make these people work, make the assistance temporary. The more you give the more they will take. Now I am struggling everyday to make ends meet because I made a choice to get out of a bad situation and nobody will help me because I work, because I'm responsible. The whole welfare system needs redesigned!

Posted by: Jennifer on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:03 AM
One of the foremost experts on poverty and it's effect on children is Ruby K. Payne, Ph.D. She is the author of several best-selling books on the subject, and her organization provides workshops and other resources for educators. She received her undergraduate degree from Goshen College. It would be interesting to have Alana Greenfogel interview her for this series.

Posted by: Kelly Location: Elkhart on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:59 AM
To Anonymous @ 7:42am....Amen!

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:41 AM
To "My problem" and anyone else who act like that people who can not afford children should have their children taken away. Well, what would you say to the people who at one time could afford their children, but lost their parent(s) lost their jobs because of the economy. That their children should go into foster care until they get job(s - where you are still going to have to pay for them, anyways. My husband works full-time and I am a full-time college student because of the job situation. I am trying to better my life, so I can give the my children the best possible life, since I could not get it working at McDonalds or Wal-mart. Yes, there are a few people who love living on the system, but some people honestly do not like having to use the system and want off. I pray to God that none of you ever lose your job and need any kind of assistance, n=because if we had it your way, you would lose your child(ren).

Posted by: mike Location: sb on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:16 AM
"National Geographic travels to far-off corners of the world to capture images of the emaciated child with flies around his head, but poverty is not exotic and it’s not foreign; it’s right here at home." That's about the worst written statement I've read on wndu. Ever. What the heck does National Geographic have to do with anything? This whole series comes off as a sophomore's high school book report. Lame reporting. Lame examples. Serious topic. You need to try harder.

Posted by: Patrick Location: South Bend on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:01 AM
After reading Robert and my Problem's posts, it is obvious that it's not only today that "stupid, poor, and uneducated people" have kids. Lucky for them!

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 07:42 AM
My childhood was economically challenged. Do you want to know how I got free lunch at school? I worked in the school cafeteria. My mother taught me right and wrong. I didn't steal and get into trouble. I learned quickly that honesty and hard work were keys to my success. I don't have a problem with helping those truly in need but it can not continue to be a take, take, take situation. At least if the children were required to give back and contribute, the cycle might break as they might learn some values. And the concept of keeping up with the Jones' and the challenges when you are living in poverty? At one time, the desire to keep up with the Jones' was an initiative to work and do something with yourself. Now it is an excuse for stealing? B.S. I get absolutely infuriated when I see welfare mothers with their fake nails and hair extensions carrying their Coach bags. These women should have their children removed from the home and charged with FRAUD.

Posted by: Tracy Location: South Bend on Nov 20, 2008 at 06:53 AM
When I was out of work and trying to get help from the state I was told I was the wrong color. This came from my case worker because I didn't qualify for anything but $150 in food stamps. That was a few years ago, but if it happened to me it is probably happening to others and that is why there aren't more people trying to get help. One other thing might be that the office to go get help in has moved and it is no where to be found. If you want people to be helped how about letting them know where to go. If something happened to my job and I needed help I have no idea where to start. I'm blessed now because I have my family that helped me when the state didn't not everyone has that.

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Nov 20, 2008 at 06:53 AM
I agree (My Problem). It seems like the broke always have more kids, more on the way, no "baby-daddy" and sitting on their A$$ all day. I am not saying ALL, just most. I am 100% sure there are legitimate cases, but for the most part dedbeats take anything they can get not to work and keep popping out "babykids".

Posted by: Robert Location: Mishawaka on Nov 20, 2008 at 06:42 AM
I agree with "My Problem", except that I think people should be fixed at birth to not be able to have kids and have to get a permit to have that procedure reversed. Kinda seems like only stupid, poor, uneducated people have kids nowadays.

Posted by: My Problem on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:59 AM
Why is it my problem that individuals were irresponsible and had way too many children. Although children are our future, the chances of one of these children become one are very slim. Parents that can not afford children should have them taken away and fined and/or thrown in jail.


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