South Bend Common Council votes to increase police and firefighter salaries Save Email Print
Posted: 12:27 AM Sep 23, 2008
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As we've been telling you, lower property taxes could mean a lower level of services in South Bend, but Mayor Steve Luecke once again said city officials are doing everything they can to not let that happen.

On top of that, he'd like to see increasing police and firefighters' salaries.

Monday night, the council voted 8-1 in favor to do that.

In a proposed baseline budget, there would be a 2.2% raise for police and a 1.65% raise for firefighters.

It sounds confusing, potentially lowering levels of services yet increasing salaries and it is. In fact, the city controller and two council members called this budget trimming process “convoluted” as result of House Bill 1001.

City officials say it's great that the bill lowers property taxes for South Bend property owners by about 21 million dollars, yet the city needs to come up with 18 million to make up for the loss. That's where the word “convoluted” comes into play.

All members of the Common council agree public safety should be at the top of the priority list. Again, eight members voted in favor of increasing their salaries in 2009. President Tim Rouse voted against it saying we can't make any decisions like this without knowing the impact of House Bill 1001.

Rouse says, “We are actually given a compounded financial obligation. I would have been more likely to support a bonus, but given the projected reduction of 53 firefighters and police officers, it just didn't seem consistent to me.”

Mayor Steve Luecke says, “If those layoffs happen, obviously the remaining officers will have more work to do, so we think it's even more important we pay them as best as we can within the limits of the dollars we receive.”

Final action on the 2009 budget is October 27th. Luecke says the main concern is coming up with revenue streams as a result of the 18 million dollars lost from property tax caps.

One way to do that is raising the local option income tax. This will be discussed more in the coming weeks.

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Posted by: carla Location: lakeville on Sep 30, 2008 at 09:01 AM
imagine that, giving the police and firefighters a raise? its about time!!!those are two jobs i would never want, you couldnt pay me enough.where doyou go during a hurricane, or tornado? to your basement or storm shelter? the police officers and fire fighters , along with all the rescue people, go out in the dangerous elements, to save people like us, from harm.think about it blowing rain and snow, when they are out there directing traffic, because the lights are out, or the streets are flooded.they are usually at any call within 2-4 minutes, depending where you live. they even respond during christmas and thanksgiving dinners. they should be paid way higher than the mayor of south bend. he needs to go. look at mishawaka, then look at south bend.hmmmm could it be the difference in the mayors, that you elect?give the police and firefighters a raise next year too. and thank -you !!!

Posted by: Thank you!! Location: Plymouth on Sep 30, 2008 at 08:08 AM
To anomynous on Sept 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM. I couldn't have said it better. These folks that think what we do is soooo easy, we hang out at the local donut shop and should be able to look into our crystal ball to prevent anything that might happen, simply DO. NOT. HAVE. A. CLUE....

Posted by: To anomynous on Sep 24, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Not a dangerous job, huh bud? Perhaps you have forgotten about the two South Bend Cops killed in the past two years protecting your behind. Perhaps you have forgotten about the SBFD fireman who was almost killed last month. (Not to mention he suffered a fractured skull, NO BIG DEAL OR ANYTHING, RIGHT>) Also, perhaps you have forgotten about the other 3 firefighters who were burned while performing search and rescue operations. You, sir, need to never open that mouth of yours again unless you know WHAT IN THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I pray to god you never require the service of police, paramedics, or firefighters. I hope they can only show the compassion everyone deserves, even if you are a complete scum.

Posted by: Annon Location: South Bend on Sep 24, 2008 at 02:07 PM
The Police dept. Needs to be reorganized. This city has more police officers per capita than most, if not all, other cities in the midwest. Go to City-data.com and compare. It sounds like there are too many people doing little to nothing in their jobs on the Police Dept. Do away with the non essential jobs on the department and put people back into patrol and investigations. This city should have no more than 210 police officers based on what other cities have per capita.

Posted by: Savanah Location: Osceola on Sep 23, 2008 at 11:04 PM
With Fire and Police "you do get what you pay for" you can't have top notch quality trained Firefighters and Policemen without paying for them through your taxes! Quit griping about taxes all the time and help these guys keep their jobs! Its shameful of the public not to back them always,as well as their Chief and Mayor! Unless you personaly know a firefighter or policeman and their family, you have no idea how they struggle to make ends meet for their loved ones and put their lives on the line every time they go out the door! Think about it! What did you do today that you might stand shoulder to shoulder with them. When we can't be there THEY ARE! When we fall back THEY RUSH IN! By the way Mr. Mayor, next time, don't send in the Chief to beg them to each volunteer to take pay cuts, do your own dirty work! You should both be ashamed of yourselves! Leaders! I THINK NOT! They are not only brave, they "are" THE BEST! and don't you ever forget it!

Posted by: Tired of Steve Location: S.B. on Sep 23, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Personally I think the police should make more for what they do,BUT these are tough times and I about fell over when I heard of ANYONE getting a pay raise in this city! Thanks again to everyone who voted for Lueke again, isnt anybody fed up with where this city is headed? When its only the hall of fame surrounded by crack houses are you going to get rid of him then? Oh wait, it already is.

Posted by: sb family Location: sb on Sep 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Keep all the police & firepersons and cut jobs in the mayors office.and cut the mayors personal spending account.why should he have a dinner account when we pay him for his job.he gets a pay check just like we do pay for your own meals.raise taxes thats what he says.close pools that we pay to go to.close the king center you just dont care about any one but your selfs.some council members are out there getting paid for doing more jobs in one day then there are hours for?Mitch Daniels didnt cut taxes just for you to find away to tax us more. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STEVEN LUECKE SHOULD TAKE ALOOK AT YOURSELFS FIRST

Posted by: Marguerite A. Taylor Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 05:07 PM
We made this ridiculous mess by wanting low to no taxes but we want the same services. That is not the Mayor's fault NO! it is our fault

Posted by: L on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:57 PM
"...within the limits of the dollars we receive." Sounds like someone is already anticipating the option tax passing, or that he is playing people for fools....Oh wait, people voted him in, so I guess they're are plenty enough fools out there. Nothing like talking about cuts to the police and fire department to make people compliant. Glad the kids got a raise. Too bad they can't cut the salaries of people not deserving of it to help out instead...starting with the mayor himself, oh, and the prosecutor and his wife! Seems kind of weird, talking cuts, more arsons, firefighters getting hurt....sounds like the movie Backdraft....

Posted by: billybob Location: St Joe Cty on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:55 PM
The three most under appreciated, under payed jobs are Cops,Fireman/EMT,School Teachers. They finally get a small bump we call a raise but they should have been payed that much to start with or more, and you people whine and complain like somebody stole your best friend. Good thing they don't act like you or the next time you needed their help they might just whine and complain and walk away!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: OMG Location: SB on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:48 PM
Just more double talk from the mayor. He's thinking "I know I can still fool all these people." We all know he wants and is going to get the tax increase. The county and city will have to lay off people to make the budget - that's being done all across the nation. Part of today's reality check. So we move on and somehow survive - right? Not really, for those few of us left with jobs we will be taxed to death because there will be more hands out for higher taxes and federal aid for those without. Those abusing the system have learned a long time ago it's easier to sit back and collect than to work. I may just have to join them. I'm tired too - under paid - and no longer interested in working so my tax dollars go to pay lazy bums. CAN'T BEAT THEM JOIN THEM - so sign me up. I want to be able to sleep in - do nothing but watch TV and smoke - then get my monthly allowance. Yep - I'm so ready.

Posted by: Re: Harley Location: Orange Road on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:41 PM
your household sounds like ours. And just think, they lower property taxes just so they think the can fool us by raising the option income tax. How stupid does Luecke and his merry council think we are. And doesn't anybody think that Dieter is double, even triple dipping? Police income, council income, coaching income, plus wouldn't it be a conflict of interest? He's like B. Patrick Bauer. Bauer has 2 state incomes, not to mention the work perks. And just think about Lueckes priorities: ND comes before our SBCSC students safety. They seem to think that there is no need for crossing guards. And has anyone seen where Dieter lives? It must be nice to live on a lake, have 2 police cars, golf cart. I'd like to be a councilman. Things just don't add up. It's obvious that the majority of council members make more than enough $ to pay for their wanted tax increases. Get rid of them and get some fresh people in office ASAP. Or we are DOOMED!

Posted by: JD on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:25 PM
R. that idea is idiotic from any view.If PD and FF would do this they would never see another raise in their lives b/c the city will just use the same argument in the future.Cutting admin,take home cars cell phones,stop misspending $ for toys are the way to cut excess.If these depts were actual businesses they would have been shut down w/ Studebaker due to poor management and neglect.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:08 PM
But hey they got an Arizona Vortex,just in case they ever run into the need for its use.Nice job from all administrators.

Posted by: Smoke and Mirrors Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 03:58 PM
I could not agree more with cutting the needless assistants that the mayor has. They could do away with park personnel, council members, century center, hall of fame AND they could ELIMINATE the CVO AND VIP Volunteer programs as those people USE CITY Vehicles and CITY GAS to run those cars!! Such a Waste!! The non essential services should be cut or eliminated. The fire and police personnel should not be reduced at all. As Oliver Hardy use to always say to Stan Laurel.."Well, this is another fine mess you've gotten us into Mayor Luecke"

Posted by: H on Sep 23, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Did I read that Mayor Luecke once ran a small business? Did he spend more money than he brought in with his business? I completely agree with Rouse. Luecke is out of his mind. I cannot believe this man is making business decisions on behalf of this city. It sounds like this is Luecke's way of building up to the (not optional) local option income tax. He has already decided this is what is going to happen and is now trying to scare the public and make police and firefighters happy to justify his decision because he cannot balance a budget. I read that he took a pay cut but did not know how much it was. He was making about $50,000 more than other Mayors in similar sized towns with similar experience. Weird.

Posted by: R Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Police and Fire, stand up for your fellow brothers who will be laid off and refuse the pay increase to keep these guys/gals on the department. I believe a "Blue Flu" is in dire need to get your point across! Take back your city!

Posted by: Harry Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 01:15 PM
Keep the policemen & firemen. Get rid of the layers of bureaucracy and waste. Fire the assistants, to the assistant, to the assistant, to the mayor and council members.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 23, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Most life-threatening jobs in 2007 Fishers and related fishing workers Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 118.4 Average salary: $29,000 per year, Logging workers 92.9 Average salary: $31,290 per year, Aircraft pilots and flight engineers 66.9 Average salary: $135,040, Structural iron and steel workers 55.6 Average salary: $43,540,Refuse and recyclable material collectors 43.8 Average salary: $30,160, Farmers and ranchers 41.1 Average salary: $39,720, Electrical power-line installers and repairers 32.7 Average salary: $49,200, Truck drivers 29.1 Average salary: $35,460, Miscellaneous agricultural workers 23.2 Average salary: $24,140, Construction laborers 22.7 Average salary: $29,050, so if you ask me Id say being a policemen accordingly is probably in reality not that dangerous and if you compare their salary to these the pay is in most cases much higher, and non of these people get take home vehicles, clothing allowances or free health insurance for their families

Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 01:11 PM
This ridiculous mess is brought to you by stephen j. luecke, "mayor" of South Bend.

Posted by: Cory Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Why do WE, as tax payers, NEVER get a say in policy expenditures when it comes to local government. A true democracy is a government OF THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE. If South Bend is in such a financial crunch, I, for one, would like local politicians, who I pay with my tax money, to ask once in awhile what it is that John Q. Public wants. I get tired of hearing locally funded, federally funded, state funded, come on people, where do you think these funds come from...you and me! If you are going to take my money (tax dollars) out of my check to use for the common good of the whole in a community, state, or country...then why not let those who give the money have a say in what we need. I do NOT use the pools, I do not have kids that need crossing guards. Why do I have to pay for it with my taxes? Use MY money for services I use, police, fire, emt, etc. There are too many programs/services that are used by few but funded by many. There just isn't enough money is peoples pockets today.

Posted by: Dan Location: SB Civilian on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Yes, once again the non-sworn personnel are slighted and get nothing for their efforts. How typical for the people out on the street to get all of the accolade, while those that get the emergency process started, and without whom precious minutes would cost more lives and property to be affected, get no recognition and also no support to be included in the raises by their fellow public safety employees. Glad to see the brotherhood doesn't extend past the thin blue or red line.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Where can a janitor make $40,000? I've got to apply for that job.

Posted by: South bend resident Location: south bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Okay. What I don't get is that they were just talking about cutting jobs for the police and firefighters and now they are getting raises. Something just don't seem right about that.

Posted by: Susan Wallace Location: Mishawakahawaka on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM
to south Bend citizen.. Mishawaka residents need to speak up because if the local option income tax is raised it will effecto us. It is a St. Joseph County tax and we are St. Joe County residents.

Posted by: South Bend Citizen Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM
First of all, those of you posting from Mishawaka: You're not affected by this, so stop bashing what's going on. Second: Around the board, all of us (if we do our jobs correctly and to our employer's specifications) get around a 3% pay increase each year. If you only got a 1 or 2% increase, chances are you went out and got another job that will pay what you feel you deserve. Our police and firefighters risk their lives every day for public safety. I don't care if you've had a bad experience with public safety, the fact of the matter is this: they risk their LIVES for wages most of us would laugh at. Stop throwing stones at city government. We want lower taxes and more public safety? Well guess what...You GET what you PAY for! I say God Bless our public safety employees and give them as big a salary as we possibly can. If a janitor can make $40,000/yr, then our public safety is worth at least twice that!!

Posted by: Charlie Location: Elkhart on Sep 23, 2008 at 10:00 AM
What has happened to the revenue from the 1% increase in sales tax that was to replace the loss of revenue due to lower property tax reciepts? Lining somebody's pockets? So now it's time for another tax? I for one am sick and tired of the bull our state and local officials spew out. Time we all revolt and bring this country back to what the founding fathers originally created in the first place.

Posted by: South Bend Cop Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 09:40 AM
To be fair,I am no huge fan of the Mayor. However, he did not ask for House Bill 1001. It is what it is. We have to deal with it. Of course he's going to raise taxes. That's what democrats do regardless of 1001 or any other house bill. But if that means we keep the cops we have and maybe add a few more and pay them competitive wages than that is what has to be done. I have seen too many good policemen head for Fishers and Indy for more money. When that happens, we all lose.

Posted by: LOL on Sep 23, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Don't blame me, I voted for Manigault. Maybe Steve could get rid of his 5 "deputy" mayors.

Posted by: mish Location: mish on Sep 23, 2008 at 08:26 AM
but dont really think they are getting a raise. these pennies dont even offset the rasing cost of insurance for city employees. they dont even come close to the cost of inflation, and in most cases these men and women will earn less than they did in previous years. and you thought this whole lay off thing was smoke and mirrors hahaha

Posted by: mish Location: mish on Sep 23, 2008 at 08:20 AM
Way to go PD and FD for the raises you all deserve and have earned. I hope the public doesnt take the anger they have on the administration for wanting to get rid of 1/3 of you and giving you all a raise before this happens. We all know you are not paid enough but this raise doesnt include ANY civilians which also make the emergency services work around here. Without the administrative assistants, dispatchers, call takers etc, there would be no backbone of support for these workers. There would be no one to answer your 911 call or send the needed help to you. There would be no one to bill the residents for the use of the system to help offset costs. While i am glad they got raises, I would hope the forgotten most get what they deserve as well. However their heads will go on the block 1st. That is the thanks they will get for the hard work that is not seen.

Posted by: Brian SGA Location: South Bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 08:06 AM
The Mayor and Common Council have their minds made up.They are going to raise the LOIT and SPEND SPEND SPEND! Who's looking out for the TAXPAYERS?

Posted by: shoppy Location: osceola on Sep 23, 2008 at 07:56 AM
Its obvious thier minds are already made up. Hello more taxes! Its up to the citizens to throw everyone of the irresponsible out of office If we have to live in a budget so should the city. Sell the hall of shame!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: SB on Sep 23, 2008 at 07:55 AM
U.S. history is the great depression. Tough times people!!!It's nice how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Mayor Steve Luecke Blah blah blah South Bend waste our $$$$$$ THANK YOU STEVE.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Osceola on Sep 23, 2008 at 07:49 AM
These guys deserve a raise, my neighbor is a fireman and he has been making less every year like the most of use because of the hight cost of Medical Insurance.

Posted by: Harley Location: North Side on Sep 23, 2008 at 07:22 AM
Like I told my wife last night: We don't have money for food, our son can't get that tooth ache fixed,and everyone hit the john (stool) at one time since we can't afford our water bill. Oh! tomorrow I am going to buy that new car that I need!Just like the city administration Irresponsible! Spend and don't have it !

Posted by: john Location: south bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 06:31 AM
yes i figured they would come up with something to get money and we got all theses people in the city with all theses big titles doing nothing on our pay .i can not go to my co and tell them i need some extra cash so raise the prices of services you provide out there.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: S.B. on Sep 23, 2008 at 06:19 AM
You dont lay people off then give everyone a raise you dont come out ahead i dont care how you work the numbers!

Posted by: JR Location: S.B. on Sep 23, 2008 at 06:04 AM
All the talks about cutting jobs are noyhing but scare tactics by Luecke to scare people. First the city hires 4 new police officers, and now they give raises to police and firefighters, guess the only thing left to do is raise taxes, or create a new way to tax people.SURPRIZE.SURPRIZE.

Posted by: here in Location: south bend on Sep 23, 2008 at 05:48 AM
what ever happened to all the money the county recieved from the toll road lease??????????????

Posted by: steve Location: Elkhart on Sep 23, 2008 at 05:39 AM
Dumb. Fire all these men and women and give the ones who stay raises? Ouch. Proof the city "leaders" of South Bend are idiots.

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