Irish sacked for first loss of the season at Michigan State

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Posted: 9:44 PM Sep 20, 2008
Last Updated: 12:05 AM Sep 21, 2008
Reporter: Angelo Di Carlo
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After giving up a NCAA leading 58 sacks in 2007, the Notre Dame offensive line did not allow a single sack in ND's first two games of the season.

Both games were wins.

That changed Saturday as Jimmy Clausen was sacked three times, was hurried a lot more and threw two interceptions as the Irish lost their first game of the season 23-7 at Michigan State.

Three turnovers were also a killer for the Irish.

Down 3-0 in the 1st quarter, Clausen had a potential touchdown pass intercepted in the endzone by Otis Wiley.

In the 2nd, Wiley again intercepted Clausen. This one came deep in Notre Dame territory and led to a Javon Ringer touchdown that put the Spartans up 10-0 at the half.

In the 3rd, the Irish were again in the MSU red zone when Clausen connected with Michael Floyd at the Spartan 10, but Floyd fumbled and Michigan State took possession.

The Irish finally made something happen on the first play of the 4th quarter as Floyd redeemed himself, making a fantastic catch on a Clausen pass to pull ND with 13-7.

Floyd had 7 catches for 86 yards. Clausen was 24 of 41 for 242 yards, a TD and two interceptions.

Michigan State responded with a big drive that setup a 1st and goal inside the Irish five. But ND defense came up big holding MSU to just a field goal.

That put the Spartans back up by nine, 16-7.

On the ensuing drive, the Irish faced a 3rd and 17, when Golden Tate made a great play to avoid two Spartan defenders and somehow escape with a first down.

But a bad snap caused Brandon Walker to miss his 2nd field goal of the day and the Irish came away with no points.

Ringer then scored another TD to put MSU up 23-7. Ringer had 39 carries for 201 yards and both Spartan TDs.

The Irish running backs, meanwhile, provided almost no yards on the ground. As a team, ND rushed for just 16 yards on 22 carries.

Notre Dame is now 2-1 on the season, while Michigan State improves to 3-1.

Next up for the Irish is Purdue next Saturday at the Stadium.

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Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 26, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I thought his hair didn't matter? More pointless hypocrisy from ND wannabes.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM
It's great to see fans root for their teams. The reason ND has so many haters though is because every year ND starts out 2-0, alot of their fans start mapping out the possibilities of a National Championship. Most people get tired of that, especially when they see the Irish ranked 30th at the time. There is a sense of arrogance at ND because of their traditional successes. Being a UM fan, I see alot of arrogance on our side also. We are the two winningest programs. It doesn't mean we 'belong' at the top of the heap forever. Yes, most fans go beyond the point of hoping, and somehow become delusional if ND wins two in a row. I picked them for 6-8 wins. You said 8, ND Fan, and that's fair. That means the Irish still lose 4 games. Look at how most fans are dejected after only 1 loss. It's the overzealous fans that give the rest of you guys the black eye. I take pride in our schools being 1 and 2 overall. Go Blue! Go Irish! Nobody likes a poor loser.

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 26, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Last night's game, Jimmy cut his hair... all we need is a win and this will be a great week!

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 26, 2008 at 07:37 AM
DOWN GOES USC,,,we will see ya soon, Go Irish

Posted by: ray Location: granger on Sep 25, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Mr. Lack meet Mr. Luster. Back for yet another appearance in 2008-09.

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 25, 2008 at 01:05 PM
BTW, Anon, when I looked back at that article, I saw the posts between you and RIF about whether or not I worked at Stude's- um, nope. Sorry to burst your bubble on my "true identity", Columbo- I would say your detective skills need to be honed. Craig- I agree that things are broken at ND, and need to be fixed. I think real fans do acknowledge that. However, we are bashed and called delusional (see Anon n Todd, BFF) for continuing to support our teams and trying the point out the good things we see. I have not called you a hater, but it is safe to say they are, to the point of making up lies to try to prove a point they never really had to begin with. As you said, your friend is hopeful and optimistic. Why can't we be too? That's what fans do- they support no matter what. Anon and Todd jump on any team that happens to be in the top 10.

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Anon, please show me where I predicted anything but an 8 win season. That's right, check the archives. Don't call me a liar when you can't back it up. The proof is still on the site. Try this: http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/27546964.html Well look there! Looks like ND Fan said 8 wins...hey, that's ME! Who's a liar? Try to get just ONE of your facts straight. It's too easy making you look like the "dope and a liar" that you are. You're just pitiful!

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 25, 2008 at 10:13 AM
All I was asking is what makes ND different from all the other schools? Weis has been there a while now, as many other schools have coaches in the same boat. So, it is similar. Urban Meyer turned it around at Utah in a short time, and took over at Fla. when they were struggling a little. George O'Leary has had success since his ND release! All I'm doing is rationalizing things. What's funny is that my best friend is a BIG ND fan and we watch games together all the time and never argue! He sees the same problems I see and is hopeful and optimistic for some changes in a lot of areas. He knows I have nothing against ND. Just because someone gives an accurate truth, doesn't mean they're a hater. Things are broken at ND, whether you want to admit it or not. They are better, but Weis has had plenty of time to fix the blocking and tackling issues, so how much better will it get? 6-8 wins, and yes, partly because of their weak schedule.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 25, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Yeah right, ND Fan. NOW it was "we were hoping." You really are a dope and a liar. It must pain you so to actually admit you were wrong. This team is no better off than they were last year. The only thing that has changed, is the caliber of the teams they are playing against. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Todd, you are exactly right. These fools are always living in a magical world. For the past 20 years, watch an ND game and then watch a game like LSU, USC, or OSU. The caliber of team is completely different, yet these ND dorks think that their team actually measures up. It's a joke and the world laughs.

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 25, 2008 at 07:54 AM
OK, Todd, I see I have to spell things out for you. They DID bulk up. They are "back to basics". Charlie is delegating. Way to say everything that has already been said and try to pass it off an original. They get fired up, and people call them crazy and to show some class. I mention that they need to show some heart and you jump all over me like that's the ONLY thing I have ever said they need. Try reading ALL the posts, not just the last two or three. Just like the Anon- come in here just to nitpick and throw insults. You two make a cute couple. My prediction of 8-4 does not make me delusional, Todd, thanks anyway.

Posted by: Todd Location: South Bend on Sep 24, 2008 at 06:25 PM
ND Fan, you are seriously delusional like the rest. I am not from this area originally, but I can see you all are in a magic world. The players having a heart will not fix the mess they are in. They tackles are a mess...they cant hit a guy and take him down to save their lives. They need to bulk up and get some power behind them. Maybe Charlie needs to step back from the table and feed his team a bit more. The defense needs bulk and serious work. The freshman receiver needs to be trained on how to catch a ball. The team is only as good as their coach and we are seeing that. Last year was the first one where Charlie finally had his own team that didn't have recruits that were there when he started. It is showing a lot about him.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 24, 2008 at 06:23 PM
Anon..What? Making rules up? Do you just chime in with random non-sense? Usually in football, the team who has less turnovers and makes the better choices, wins the game. In the Michigan game ND had less yards and were beaten in many categories. However, they had less turnovers and made better clock choices and therefore, while having less offense, they still won the game. Just ask Craig, he will tell you. Also anon, I said usually not always.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 24, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Mr. Expert? I thought that was you Craig. What, I cannot disagree without you getting all girlie? Like I said before, Florida and ND, way different. To answer your question about blocking and such, depth, maybe better coaching?? And no I don't intend to use the Michigan game as a highlite all season, but, Craig...we have only played three games and that was the highlite for this team so far. As far as what you said about the Irish being young and tentative, I agree fully, I don't need to be "Mr. Expert" to see that. And no, how dumb, do I want his career to end before it begins, of course not. However with the O line falling apart last season Sharpley would have been on his rear a fair amount as well. Don't feel obligated to explain anything to me, how arrogant, I hoped for an Irish win and that makes me less equipped to talk college football? Sorry, Guru Craig, I won't offer my opinion if it displeases you so. No, better yet, just don't pay attention to them and we will get along fine

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 24, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Anon, further proof that you talk out of your you-know-what. The pre-season "blustering" was that we hope Charlie learned a lesson, we are hoping for 8 wins (yes, some predicted more but also had a disclaimer that it would be done in a best-case situation). So HOPING the Irish get better is blustering? Oh, to be perfect like you. Look, I am sorry you don't have any friends. It is like I said before, you are the little girl coming up and punching the little boy to get his attention. Ridiculous. Bottom line is that this team needs heart. I see heart from a few players, but not enough.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 24, 2008 at 03:05 PM
RIF, is the UM game gonna be your highlight reference for the rest of the year? If you want to keep using that as your reference, then you should have seen in that game why I "guaranteed" a MSU victory. Of the UM turnovers(6), how many were unforced? ND's first two drives in that game were from the 11 and 14 yd. line. It took them 9-10 total plays to score the first 14 pts. That's not even 3 yds. per play! The team got inspired by that. When have you seen any emotion since? This team is tentative and still plays with doubt. They have some really good players. Claussen is a tough kid, but as a freshman he was sacked 50 times! Do you really want a kid's career ended before it starts? So, Mr. expert, why can Florida block and tackle and ND can't? The MSU outcome was obvious, so I feel obligated to explain other things to you! I can use 20 other schools as examples with plenty of young players ranked a lot higher than ND. You tell me why?

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 24, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Less turnovers....Rabid, that same mantra didn't ring true for the ND's first game though did it? Isn't true that you just make the "rules" up as you go along to pretend like ND is better than they really are?

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM
ND fans are just reaching for anything they can. They know that their team is pathetic and doomed for years to come. All of their blustering in the pre season was for nothing. They have all been proven wrong and they know it.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 24, 2008 at 10:36 AM
No kidding Craig, really, I had not noticed...I disagree with that Shaprley should have been the starter last season, Clausen needed to get the true game speed experience. Besides that Sharpley may have gotten us another one or two wins. But, that would have left us in the same situation in 08' as in 07'. Notre dame needs to get away from it's no red shirt policy. Had that been the case, I would agree with you. I agree Weis should groom his players, but, you have to have depth in skill postions to do that, which he did not. Take Dane Christ, what do you think Weis is doing with him right now? Grooming him I bet, don't you. You have to look at the situation for each school, Florida and ND, apples to oranges. And please don't act like I am some girlfriend you have to explain football to, you don't. Here is a better example of your Hoyer example. ND had much worse numbers than Michigan did when they played. Less turn overs and good choices, equals ND over Michigan, there it is.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 24, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Now, to ND Fan. ND needs to keep Weis for two more years. At the very least, they continue to recruit well for the next coach. Instead of concentrating on all the skill players, Weis needs to get some blockers and tacklers. He has already proven to be a bad coach with many bone-headed decisions at ND. Last week for example, he knew darn well MSU is a 'smashmouth' team, so what's he do? He comes out with six straight running plays, right into the heart of MSU's defense. Okay, do you even have a back averaging 4 yds. per carry or worse yet, 50 yds. per game? No! When is the last time you fans remember a ND back running the ball 30 times for 100 yds and setting the pace of a game? Darius Walker!! Every year Weis has played in big games, he is totally outwitted by the good coaches. In their BCS game vs. LSU, he came out and went for a 4th down at midfield to start the game and didn't make it. Great...you just gave the #1 offense in the land the ball in your territory. I can go on.........

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 24, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Okay, RIF...let me compare two similar programs,Florida and ND. Urban Meyer was the guy ND REALLY wanted but he went to Fla. With no head coaching experience anywhere, Weis was chosen by ND. Meyer inherited a good program, as did Weis. Walker, Quin, Shark, etc. were all going to be the nucleus of a good team regardless of the coach. So,what has happened at both schools since? Florida has several freshmen and sophs on the field as well and haven't fallen off their pace. Did Tebow win the Heisman as a soph? Credit that to Meyer 'grooming' him along his freshman year. Was Clausen groomed? No, he was thrown into the fire! Sharpley should have benn the starter last year. He's not as talented, but can 'manage' the game. Hoyer from MSU is a good example that your stats can be bad, but with no turnovers and wise decisions, you set your team up for wins. Weis hasn't groomed any players at any positions. There it is.

Posted by: justin Location: mish on Sep 23, 2008 at 04:33 PM
michigan state is the start of notre dames downfall

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on Sep 23, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Kimberly, thank you for your answer as the meaning of to much vanilla. I never heard that saying before and I thought it was what "M location V" said. It had to do with black and white. Sometimes you have to read what that reporter says in his article to try to understand what he means. If the Irish doesn't go astray this weekend Craig's picks might just be on target. Pittsburgh and North Carolina looked good this week. NC lost their starting QB. Purdue squeaked by Central and will be looking for redemption and if they beat the Irish they will get it. If MSU puts everything on one running back they will get burned like OSU. Don't count Michigan out yet. I can see it now, when the Irish line up every football player pulls out his laptop and it tells him what to do. I guess if he can't block his man he will hit him over the head with it.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 23, 2008 at 02:15 PM
By the way, RIF, you say you "did not tune in to see, 'Craig's College Football Pred. Blog.'". Weren't you the one who was so interested in "what you get" when I am wrong? FYI, years ago I used to "use my skills" and make money in organized competitions, sponsored by companies that paid prizes. With over 200 participants every year, I never finished lower than 4th place, and won it all twice. Still got the pics of me holding the "Big Checks" for my efforts. I'm like the old retired gunslinger. When a new cowboy rides into town and tells me I "ain't so bad", I dust off the pistols to show I still got it. So relax, ND is favored this week and may just win. I don't think they will though. It should be good.

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 23, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Craig- what's your solution? Seriously, I am not provoking you. ND is between a rock and a hard place. They fire Weis? Out come all the haters saying it is Ty all over again and that ND is dumb for wasting all that money and playing revolving coaches. They keep him? Out come the haters to say ND can't admit their mistake in hiring Weis and fix the problem by getting rid of him. So what would you have them do?

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 23, 2008 at 12:37 PM
A lot of time to develop??? Weis first round of recruits are sophs...So, where was all of this time to develop them, oh, last season when he played so many freshman and got crap for that too. Weis also won with Ty guys, something Ty could not do. I would call last season a new beginning for the Irish, same place U of M is right now and I suspect you will be in about the same place next season, maybe a game or so better, not much though. Your crossroads/new beginning comment is way too premature, don't you think. I had no problem with you until you had to gloat on your predictions and your I hate to say I told you so, but, I did anyway post. We know how you feel about the Irish and the problems that still presist, do you need to repeat it everytime you make your predictions. Hell, I will give it a shot, ND 28- Purdue 17.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 23, 2008 at 10:35 AM
RIF, who said I didn't like the Irish? Besides, alot of you had no problem debating my predictions last week, telling me why I would be wrong. The problems were there and obvious, but some of you didn't see it. Now I'll spew about Michigan! What's to say? I predicted them for 3-9 weeks ago. Some say they won't finish that bad. They couldn't even beat ND! Who are they gonna beat? #8 Wisconsin? Penn State? OSU? Heck, even Northwestern and Minnesota are 4-0! Not too much to talk about in Ann Arbor. ND has good players...in skilled spots. Not a good team, and won't be all year. They will still finish with 6-8 wins as I said all along. Charlie has had the time to develop this team and hasn't. He's been around longer than Ty and won alot of games with Ty's guys. ND is at the crossroads. UM is at a new beginning. Big difference.

Posted by: ken Location: sturgis on Sep 23, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Charlie's "success" has been a result of what he inherited from his predessor. He didn't "make" Brady Quinn, Brady Quinn Made him. As the players that weere there when he got there left, the team started down hill. Clausen will never be a Quinn. At East Lansing they left at least 13 points on the field. The team on the sidelines seemed disconnected with the game on the field, no spirit at all.M y advice to charlie is: Reinstall the "Notre Dame" spirit. Bring them back from the Frightend Irish to the Fighting Irish. C'mon guys, just because you're not on the field, you'restill part of the game. Get in touch with the kicking game. 6 points left on the field there. Either practice harder, or get a new kicker. Charlie, I don't think you are the right person for the job at Notre Dame. You seem to be more demoralizing than inspiring. I don't expect you to be a Rockney, But some connection with the team would be an improvement.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 23, 2008 at 07:48 AM
What do you want Craig? Oh, you are 3-0 and predicted Clausen would get sacked...Kudos, you are a college football insider. There you go, now like I said before...For someone who does not like the Irish it is kind of harsh for you to come in and make your predictions and point out the problems the Irish have. Considering your a MICHIGAN fan, you have your own problems, difference is, not one of us spew about M and how bad they are. If you are so schooled in the college football world, why don't you use your skills and fine presentation to make some money and write a column or start a blog. We all saw the game and the season to date so far and I think we all know the score sans your insight. Oh, I know, RIF is so upset because Craig was right...not really, just did not tune in to see "Craigs College Football Prediction Blog" How about them Wolverines??

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 22, 2008 at 02:10 PM
After re-reading my last comment, it sounded kinda harsh, but I did tell ya so and was only trying to reinforce the facts of ND football this year. It wasn't my intention to say, "I told you so!" , but well, I did! It would be nice to hear back from some of my critics from last week. As I said, I'm not as sure this week because of Purdues problems. ND has enough skill players to pull out a win, if they can hang on to the ball. Painter looks awful good, as well as Sheets and the rest of the offense. The ND weaknesses are too much for them to beat good teams. Is Purdue a good team? Not really, that's why the Irish have a chance. It should be a good game. Emotion can carry either team to a big day. Purdue looks like they can score on anyone. ND doesn't. Good day RIF, Slade, Ike, etc.

Posted by: N on Sep 22, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Not a single mention of 'Laptopgate' Thats ok WNDU, just ignore it. If you dont acknowledge it then it never happened, right?

Posted by: M Location: V on Sep 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Slade, the answer is black and white.

Posted by: TJ on Sep 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Wait for the Boilers to roll into town this weekend. You thought Michigan State was a tough team, The Boilers will deliver a beating they might not recover from! PURDUE by three touchdowns!!!!!!

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on Sep 22, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I was very frustrated when we tried to run run run when it was obvious it wasn't working. Dave, Clausen has won a couple of games also. They can't play relvolving QB's or they will never gel as a group. It is not Clausen, it is our O-Line- AGAIN. No holes for our running backs, we got manhandled. Our kicking teams are not producing, that needs to be fixed. I am sure I am not the only one that misses Carlson right now. This is one of the 4 losses I predicted, but I hoped it wasn't going to come true. Very disappointing, but no time to dwell on it. Get past this game, the arrests, and move on, Irish! You have the talent- learn to work together and USE IT! GO IRISH! Anon- I don't think ND is overrated- they aren't ranked. How can you say we are way off when we predicted a 4 loss season, some even predicted a 5-6 loss season? We are 2-1- hardly way off. Get back with me in November, OK?

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I am going to start betting some money on "Craigs picks." Lol.

Posted by: Craig Location: Bremen on Sep 22, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Well, the only thing I missed on was that I thought Hoyer would play better. Besises that, I was dead on. J-A-V-O-N! The facts are simple. ND cannot run the football! They cannot defend the run! They have no kicking game! That is not a good formula. I also predicted Claussen to be sacked 3 times, which I was dead-on. Their blocking schemes for their passing game works between the 20 yard lines, but without the run, ND is doomed against the good teams. They couldn't run last year and can't run this year. It's not going to happen. It's just not there. As I said last week, I know my college football, and proved it. ND is better, but has too many weaknesses to be a ranked team. Their weak schedule can produce 6-8 wins for them. They won't beat the good teams. This week is close. Purdue averages 33 pts per game, which is why they get the nod, 27-21.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Here is the truly funny part. ALLLLL you heard in the offseason was the dork Weis talking about ND was going to "pound it" referring to the running game. Has anyone seen that? It is obvious the guy does not know what he means. He is really flying by the seat of his pants and it shows. "Pound it." What a joke, Weis! Better change your mantra reaaaal quick. Face it. ND is lucky to not be 0 - 3 right now. They finally played an opponent that didn't spend the game making them look good. And MSU isn't even THAT good! Too bad all you fanatical ND fans were waaay off as usual. You are the reason ND is always overrated. Keep digging that hole, its getting much deeper.

Posted by: Terry Location: Granger on Sep 22, 2008 at 08:24 AM
ND was out played in all areas of the game with MSU.Special teams missed 2 field goals.The Defense gave up to many Big plays,mostly because they are not using their arms when they tackle which accounts for all the broken tackles.For the most part they have been in position to make the play but have had poor execution.If they are going to become a good team they have to find a running game.I feel they have to go to a 2 back formation and bring the fullback into play.With one back in the backfield who do you think the defense is keying on? Also with 1 back in the backfield you have no lead blocker or anyone to pick up the blitz.When ND had a great running games they had a Fullback - Bettis,Johnson,or Culver in the Backfield and still had a passing game.ND hasn't had a quality Fullback in years,could be the reason they have no running game.With one back you have no counter or miss direction play,all they can run is the End Around Play.----- GO IRISH !!!!

Posted by: Jon Location: Michigan on Sep 22, 2008 at 07:35 AM
Gee... Where's the "Swagger" that ND talked about? I guess you won't be painting Wise's face on touch down Jesus anytime soon. GO STATE!!!

Posted by: no way on Sep 22, 2008 at 06:38 AM
You can't fire Weis. The doofuses at ND who don't know a football from a hole in the ground gave him a 10 year contract extension. I wonder if they have a ND ejukashun? LOL!

Posted by: Boiler Bill Location: west lafayette on Sep 22, 2008 at 06:14 AM
Get used to loosing, there is more to come irish fans.....hahahhahhahaha

Posted by: little daddy Location: home on Sep 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM
where's gerry faust when you need him (hahahaha)

Posted by: Dave Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Where is Evan Sharply,, at least they won a couple of games under his control at quarterback. Clausen needs to sit on the bench and learn.

Posted by: Kimberly Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Slade: the meaning of the word vanilla in that sense is as follows; Lacking adornments or special features; basic or ordinary. What the paper is saying is the team does not have anything special working for themselves. Their plays are very basic and lack complexity or dynamics. I have to agree at this point, the game was very boring to watch. N.D. looked bad. I feel they could have won the game if they could have gotten it together and had a running game. If we could have shut down Ringer, the game would have turned out differently I believe as well. Got to give him credit, Ringer is an outstanding player. Hopefully they will review the tape and learn from the many errors that were made. Hopefully we didn't loose to many players in the recent raids that took place, we can't afford to loose anyone at this point. Good luck next week Irish!

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on Sep 21, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Margaret, cupcake teams? Can you honestly say that you knew where Troy Univ. was before Ohio State played them this past weekend? Does anyone know where they are located? Notre Dame loss this game because they left points on the field by not scoring when they got to the 10 yard line twice and missed two field goals. Charlie must have taken over calling the offensive plays because they were horrible. Run, bomb, run, bomb. They have talented players now and althought they are sophmores and freshmen they will improve. Charlie is not the man that will get the job done. The priest cannot fire him because they already look stupid for firing Davey, Willingham and hiring George O'Leary for one day. The priest should stick to praying and let the A.D. do the hiring. I don't want to see Charlie fired, let him stay his contract then get a new coach. Hopefully he is smart enough to hire great ass't. and let them do the real coaching and he just play the BIG man.

Posted by: Charlie Location: Row 58 ND stadium on Sep 21, 2008 at 09:06 PM
When was the last time ND could line up and shove the ball right down the opponent's throat? That would have to be when Lou Holtz was coach. ND has had some great running backs that have had success running the ball since Lou's era, but when it comes time to line up and smack the opponent in the mouth ND has been woefully inconsistant. Running the ball inside the ten yard line has been a bad dream for years. The echos won't be awakened until a successful running game returns. ND can be good living by the pass, but can they become great?

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on Sep 21, 2008 at 08:36 PM
O.K. you posters...I got the answer right here...this is the reason the Irish lost and its straight from the S.B. Tribune. You can take this answer to the bank...Quote "Maybe it's a team that is too vanilla for its own good." This is taken directly from todays newspaper and there is your answer to all of Irish Football problems. Can anyone of you intelligent posters Pro-ND or Anti-ND fans out there explain the meaning of "a team that is too vanilla for its own good"?

Posted by: msu fan Location: mi on Sep 21, 2008 at 08:00 PM
yay MSU!!!! Atleast ND beat U of M!! Great game!

Posted by: G Location: SB on Sep 21, 2008 at 05:07 PM
I was there to see it the game with my own eyes and the Irish looked awful. MSU played a good game. Apperantly you cant stop Ringer from running all over you. ND just looked real bad. I'm not sure what all those run plays were the 1st couple of possesions. I guess ND has fooled themselves into thinking they have a running game. They dont. There is no burst, no power, no holes to run through. Purdue isnt going to be any easier of a game. Hopefully ND gets it together.

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Sep 21, 2008 at 04:52 PM
I'm seconding the comment about this team having potential that might prove to be National Championship level good in the next year or two. This is a game the Irish would have lost 42-3 last year. I know a loss is a loss but I was dreading seeing a blowout and there was positives in the game. The interception in the endzone early in the game - when they were reviewing it I think it was pretty obvious that Kumara and the defender both had the ball with feet on the ground which should have equaled a ND touchdown. If that would have been called that way it would have been a totally different game. If they can go forward without losing confidence I think they have a good shot at winning the rest of the games until USC. And a few comments down there was a comment about Weis and his arrogance. I've heard from a number of people who have seen him in public who say the same thing. He had the opportunity to be a legend here but that attitude is really starting to grate on people.

Posted by: doug Location: granger on Sep 21, 2008 at 03:37 PM
as a nd fan i can say, life goes on. this is a game of 18 year olds. what is important is my family. i would love to see nd win them all every year, but it the grand scheme of things, it is quite irrelivent......

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 21, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Hey, anon at 12:08...many of us gave credit to MSU for one. And two, I don't make excuses, ND played a real bad game and lost. I see a lot of you are some sort of college football super prediction guru types. Wow, you said ND would lose a game...that was a stretch, nice job. All behold the "masters of the obvious"...

Posted by: Vinny Location: SB on Sep 21, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Weis needs to go not only for his lack of coaching, but for his arrogance around town.

Posted by: Todd Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 01:39 PM
I wanted to buy notredamesucks.com but it was already taken. They looked awful. All the sports casters (national) say they are only a slightly better team then last year. The defense needs to bulk up...I was amused by how many of their tackles it takes to take a Michigan guy down..the I got bored watching it. There must be some rule that ND players can't get their pretty gold pants dirty. Weise does need to go. He has proven his deficiencies in recruiting and coaching skill. You surely will throw in my face that they had a good two years when he first came...then I will quickly remind you that those were not his recruits. Last year was the first team he was totally responsible for bringing in. Record season of loosing for the school. Some tradition! Maybe ND should cut his pay and give the University support staff a raise...they do not make jack for a school that has so much money. Embarrassing.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 21, 2008 at 01:08 PM
So typical of the so called ND fans, can't handle it when your team is out played. Where are all the excuses? It's a real shame you can't give credit where credit is due!

Posted by: Rabid Boilermaker on Sep 21, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Lets see, Purdue barely scrapes by Central Michigan, and now ND is going to be pissed off from this loss to MSU. Thank God I'm not going to the game Saturday, Purdue is admittedly going to get crushed. So sad to admit.

Posted by: mark on Sep 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
so the 39th rank team in the US gets beat by the 42nd ranked team and that is a top headline? wow, it is great the city is in such great shape now. maybe notre dame will realize they are not a supreme gift to the college football world.

Posted by: Ray Location: South Carolina on Sep 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
The Irish are pretty lucky that this is their first loss and not their third. If they don't find answers to a poor running game, teams will begin to challenge Jimmy to beat them with his arm.

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Lets face it, Weis is a good offensive cordinator at the pro level, but he can't put a talented team together in college. Brady Quinn's senior year, all the talent they had but still ended up getting blown out 3 times. Weis has had 1 quality game in his four years, and it was a close loss to USC in 2005 I don't want to hear they are a young team. Every team has young players. Notre Dame isnt any different. This coach is looking at a 6 and 5 record when they are at their peak, and 3 and 9 when they are rebuilding. Since when is this kind of record acceptable. I think the next coach will be named Holtz, Skip Holtz.

Posted by: Margaret Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I told all you Domers not to count your chickens before they hatch! ND had 2 cupcake teams and barely beat them both. I am sure that this will not be the only loss this year.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Sep 21, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Anon, get your facts straight, you sound foolish. Well, nobody expected them to win all 12 games. One loss on the 08' season and here come the "Fire Weis" comments. I still think 8-4 at the worst, but, you better come out against the Boilers and avoid dropping two in a row. Geez, Mary, congrats to MSU on a well played game. Do you feel better now?

Posted by: KT Location: ND on Sep 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM
They had their chances to win this game and didn't look like the team of the past two years at least. Couldn't stop the run and couldn't run it themselves. That will get you a loss every time! Purdue barely hung on so they might have a chance next week.

Posted by: Jay Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 09:51 AM
How many coaches are we going to need to replace before everyone admits that ND just doesn't have talent depth anymore. We need to take what we have and support the team, bad and good years. Grats MSU, game well played

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 21, 2008 at 09:15 AM
I dont care what anyone says I see a ton of potential in this very young team made up of true Sophomores...Give them time. Congrats to MSU. looking forward to the Purdue game..I love this stuff

Posted by: joe Location: So. Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 09:13 AM
take hart we got 6 or 7 more loses before we are out of the bowl picture

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 21, 2008 at 07:47 AM
And sorry annonymous, Lou Holtz would NOT come back to ND if he was offered the job.

Posted by: aj Location: sb on Sep 21, 2008 at 07:45 AM
1st and 20, lets run to help our punter get 5 more yards, all game, screw that, at least take a shot at the 1st down ! He put his qb on the defensive from the first posession of this game. I thought it was again: POOR COACHING.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: south bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 06:35 AM
DUMP CHARLIE

Posted by: joe on Sep 21, 2008 at 06:18 AM
charlie the cheater. let's blame the laptop on an intern. go boilermakers

Posted by: Ike Location: South Bend on Sep 21, 2008 at 04:55 AM
O.K. Mary from Niles:Here is my comment....Yes ND lost but they are still improving each time they play...Remember they beat Michigan...Michigan State played a little better and that is why they won...ND still has some wins to come yet.By the way I'm sure Coach Weis is going nowhere...Love ND football.Keep up the good work guys...

Posted by: Paul Location: Niles on Sep 21, 2008 at 02:29 AM
Come on Girls, let's go! This IS Notre Dame and UNACCEPTABLE! Totally! Give me a BREAK! For crying out LOUD! Charlie isn't getting the job done! Get someone who can get the job done. N.D. you BLEW it BIG TIME when you ran Lou Holtz out of town! 16 yards rushing - give me a BREAK! Don't even bother to show up N.D. if you are going to play like you have this season and last. This IS NOT ACCEPTABLE - PERIOD! We are N.D. Get with the program!

Posted by: timmy on Sep 21, 2008 at 02:00 AM
How could they keep trying to run the ball when every time it was stopped for a loss--it took them a half a game to figure that out...and Ringer was unstoppable

Posted by: Teri Location: Indiana on Sep 21, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Are we suppose to be surprised?Their second loss is coming-up against Purdue!

Posted by: mary Location: niles on Sep 21, 2008 at 12:18 AM
where are all the comments now? If MSU would have lost-we would be hearing it from all the biased reporting!

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Charlie needs to start checking MONSTER.COM for a new job!!!Bring back Lou Holtz Notre Dame needs to admit they made a terrible mistake. Yes its time for the administration to be humble and admit their misguided descission to get rid of Holtz.

Posted by: big daddy Location: home on Sep 20, 2008 at 09:57 PM
time to fire weis