Identity of officer involved in overnight shooting released
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Osceola, IN
Posted: 11:40 AM Aug 27, 2008
Last Updated: 10:10 PM Aug 27, 2008
Reporter: Marcie Kobriger
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The St. Joseph Metro Homicide Unit is investigating an incident that left one man dead and a Mishawaka police officer injured.

Around 11 o'clock Monday night, Detective Jeremy Tyler, an off-duty Mishawaka police officer, saw what police are calling a suspicious activity at the Schneider Auto Sales car lot on Boles and Lincoln Way East in Osceola.

The St. Joseph County Prosecutor's Office says Tyler approached the suspect, 43-year-old Eugene Nusbaum, when he noticed Nusbaum was attempting to cut a catalytic converter from a vehicle in the car lot.

The prosecutor's office says Tyler tried to stop Nusbaum. When the suspect refused, the officer got into Nusbaum's truck in an attempt to prevent him from driving off.

Nusbaum then shifted the truck into gear, dragging Tyler alongside the moving vehicle.

At that point, police say Tyler feared for his life, and opened fire.

Nusbam escaped in his truck and crashed into a tattoo parlor, about a quarter mile away, flipping his vehicle.

When Tyler caught up with the truck he found Nusbaum dead.

The auto dealer tells us the only damage at his lot is to a Pontiac mini-van. Investigators say Nusbaum was trying to steal the van's catalytic converter; a part that’s worth about 90-dollars at a scrap yard.

“It has become a problem as of late because of the scrap value of catalytic converters. We had a couple stolen two weeks ago. It’s a shame that somebody had to lose their life over it. You hate to see that,” Brian Schneider of Schneider auto sales tells us.

According to the St. Joseph County Police, Nusbaum had a criminal history.

He was arrested 12 times from 1995 to 2005.

The coroner’s office has reported that it was the shot to the chest that killed him, and not the crash. Investigators hope to learn more with the results.

The case is still under investigation by the Metro Homicide Unit. Jeremy Tyler is currently on administrative leave from the Mishawaka Police Department.

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Posted by: Amanda Location: Move away for a better life on Sep 5, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Let's remember murder, is to lying, as to stealing is, in the bible it is all the same so if any one has ever broken any of the commandments, we all will be judged one day. A life is a life, but some think they are the one to judge a person. As if you are Jesus. Those who think they are better than others because of wealth, or education think they will be first, but yet you will be surprised because you won't be judge on you money or education but your belief in the Lord your Savior. We need police to up hold the law. But people let us not forget that a life is that a life. He will be judged in the after life let it not be by us. We can not pass judgement for we are not giving that God given right.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Sep 4, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Now, folks, let's try to help this young officer's life try to get back to normal and leave him alone.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 3, 2008 at 04:26 PM
taking out the trash...job well done officers...keep on keeping on

Posted by: Don Location: indiana on Sep 2, 2008 at 01:16 PM
To citizen teach your kids not to steal and we wont have to worry about it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Yeah anonymous @1:39 he must not have stated his name and identity. because no way would a career criminal like gene ever keep going and not listen to the police. You are so right. Thank you for figuring this all out for everybody.

Posted by: Bill Location: S.B. on Sep 1, 2008 at 07:37 PM
To all of you blaming the officer,he was doing his job as in Indiana the law says that a officer is on duty even when there shift ends,they sware to protect and prevent crime when they see it in progress if he had waited for back up or just gotten the liscence number lt would have been his word agenst the supects.Wake up you cry babbies this man was a fellon in the past and didnot want to return to jail.He was willing to kill a officer when he stepped on the gas and drug the officer witch is attemped murder.I salute all police officers as they put there lives on the line every day.There families never know if there loved ones will come home.GOD BLESS THR POLICE OFFICERS.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 1, 2008 at 06:24 PM
Posted by: Carn on Aug 29, 2008 at 09:27 AM I have questions!! WHY WERE SHOTS FIRED AFTER THE GUY CRASHED AT THE BUNS! THAT MINIVAN DONT HAVE A CAT CONVERTER! WHY WERE NOONE ALOWED TO BE UPON THE SENE OF ACCIDANT! is CARN short for CARNival worker?

Posted by: Citizen Location: USA on Sep 1, 2008 at 02:49 PM
First a bank robber, now a minor thief, next police shooting will be a kid stealing a candy bar! Police seem just a bit trigger happy to me. SHoot first, ask questions later?

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 31, 2008 at 02:39 PM
to hargis: you speak of due regrard, what about over reacting to a petty crime? Tyler did NOT have to jump into the vehicle to immoblize it, obviously tyler didn't clearly state who he was or do what any other common sensed officer would have done. this was a senseless killing and abuse of power

Posted by: Me Location: Elkhart on Aug 30, 2008 at 03:05 PM
How many times does it take someone to commit crime before he is rehabilitated? I am glad to see I won't be paying for this guy in jail anymore. Not to say the judicial system is anywhere close to perfect, but come on people, things happen sometimes in your favor, sometimes not. That is how life goes.

Posted by: Hargis Location: Howe on Aug 30, 2008 at 01:24 PM
First off let me say some people need to read the article a few times (right) before getting all hot headed and posting something stupid that does not make sense. Secondly the guy did not get shot b/c he was stealing a catalytic converter, he was shot b/c he stepped on the gas pedal AFTER the officer reached inside to stop the suspect from leaving the scene and was being DRAGGED down the road. The part people are missing is the van was IMMOBILE, that means it was not moving, when the officer was reaching inside, so being now that the officers life was endanger and the suspect was not concerned about the officers life, the officer did WHAT ANY OTHER OFFICER WOULD DO, THIS IS CALL "DUE REGARD"- doing what anyother person would do put in the same incident. The victim/suspect had a choice and like the other 12 bad choices he made from 1995 to2005, this one was the wrong. Actually he made 2 bad choices that night, one, to steal, second to flee an officer while dragging him. Think !!!!!

Posted by: NoName Location: Indiana on Aug 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Thank you Detective Tyler for doing YOUR JOB. You were being dragged by a MOVING vehicle by a person who was BREAKING THE LAW!! For all of you idiots who are defending this criminal....would you be out celebrating had this CRIMINAL killed the police officer instead of it being the other way around??? And those of you criticizing the police officer for his actions.....were you there?? Is that why you are all passing judgement??? It's a really sad, sad day when people start defending a criminal over an officer who was just doing is job. He could have very well ignored what he saw and kept driving home. But since he is a wonderful police officer and values his job and community he continued to do his job while off duty to protect YOU THE COMMUNITY!!! I really am sorry that a guy had to lose is life of this....but if he tries to kill someone else and that person is defending themslelf?? Come on people!! Thank you Detective Tyler!! Your courage is appreciated!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:51 PM
To "here in" at 6:41 ; YES, the state DOES give officers those ("Super" as you put it) powers to kill if their lives are at risk. Deal with it!

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Aug 29, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Using Anonymous (there's a suprise) 8/28 4:54 as a template: What's the acceptable criminal history before it's cool that something like this happens? Three arrests? Five arrests? Is it cool if this happens to a 16 year old kid who is committing his first crime? Teacher's do have control over the so called thugs you mention. The media is filled with those type of stories. Judicial system - would you rather have a guy scrapping or sitting in prison costing the taxpayers 30,000 per year? It's a hard question but I'd rather have non-violent offenders doing comunity service. You seem like a hatred filled little person who probably was beaten on a daily basis in school. I'm glad liberal thinking makes you sick. Close that pea brain of yours to new ideas and wait for the axe to drop on you or someone you care about. I see a group of folks on here who are asking how this could have happened and not stating that the officer is a cold blooded killer. And another group of close minded idealists

Posted by: lucy Location: south bend on Aug 29, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Who cares? The guy was worthless to society.....

Posted by: here in Location: south bend on Aug 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM
this supercop should be charged with murder! No way should he have jumped into a moving truck to NEUTRALIZE it. come on a human verse a moving vehicle. what would another officer (MORE LOGICAL) do in that same situation(call for back up).... this was a petty crime... not a crime to take someones life. But then again we are in st. joe county were police can sell drugs and guns so why not start killing it citizens....

Posted by: Carn on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:27 AM
I have questions!! WHY WERE SHOTS FIRED AFTER THE GUY CRASHED AT THE BUNS! THAT MINIVAN DONT HAVE A CAT CONVERTER! WHY WERE NOONE ALOWED TO BE UPON THE SENE OF ACCIDANT!

Posted by: RAN Location: NILES on Aug 29, 2008 at 10:16 AM
We are so eager to critisize and judge based on a few peices of info . its sad to see people gouging @ a dead persons past to spin a situation to fit there prejudice .lets get to the bottom of this one.as all the info doesn't line up and usually that means something smells . if you were there,you could know . lets be reasonable, commit to community and get to the truth !!! if your in blue , lets not foget WHY you do what you do!!!for everyone , the truth will set you free .

Posted by: Larry Location: SB on Aug 29, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Chad..you have a problem with the Police. That much is obvious. Every time there is a story involving Police you have negative comments. Your agenda is clear and your credibility with me is right around ZERO. Of course that is just my opinion based on common sense thoughts. Something you are seriously lacking.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Anonymous @ 11:53.. clearly you are not serious. No one is that uneducated. You must be just trying to get a rise out of people. If the store owner would have killed him you know what would have happened? Nothing. Just like if someone breaks in my house and I kill them. Nothing will happen. You are allowed to protect your home and business. That is 100% the truth. And let's be real.. you are not part of anything accept maybe a few second life sites. That officer endangered his life because IT IS HIS JOB!!! You can not be serious. You aren't wanting that kind of protection at this moment because it does not directly affect you. And another thing that is 100% the truth is that the officer will not be relieved of duty.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Chad is exactly right. This doesn't add up at all.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:11 AM
oh I see CHAD the moron has found his way to the discussion. Give it up Chad no one cares what you have to say. Endanger a Police officer who is you giving you a lawful order to stop and you just committed your last foolish mistake. Mouring for his mother, please! The petty theif decided to raise the bar, his final mistake. Now this officer has to live with all of this because of this fool. St. Joseph county has turned into a crime ridden cesspool. How many banks have been robbed since SBPD took out the trash? to all of Northern Indiana LEOs keep on keeping on. job well done. You have my blessings and full support.

Posted by: here in Location: south bend on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:41 AM
to proud sbpd... what does the state of indiana give you super powers also in which you can deside on who lives and who dies? the off duty officer jumped into a moving truck! Then he feared for his life and that gave him the right to take anothers life/ heres a hint do not jump into moving vehicles, call for back up, get a plate #, follow the suspect. DO NOT let your job SUPER POWERS go to your head and kill some one unjustly!

Posted by: cop Location: La Porte on Aug 29, 2008 at 06:51 AM
To all of you who feel so bad for this convited criminal, and relish in your excuses that you make for him, please tell me what possible excuse you have for his previous CONVICTIONS, that include Robbery, in Michigan in 1996.......let me guess, the bak teller should have given him the money, and let him go on his merry way, right....it wasn't his fault? Did the drugs make him do it? maybe it was the poor ubrining?? You people ALWAYS have an excuse why the criminal is right, and why the cops are the bad ones.....Good Job Detective, Good Job!

Posted by: Realist Location: Walkerton on Aug 29, 2008 at 05:49 AM
Hey Chad, Obviously you are a huge Bruce Willis fan and think that real life is like the movies. Stop living in a dream world and come back to reality. This guy was a thief that did not listen to the cops' orders to stop when he was trying to flee the scene. The cop was doing his job and the "BAD GUY" put the cops' life in danger. The cop shot him in protection of his own life, which would not have had to have happened if the "BAD GUY" would have stopped and taken responsibility for his own actions. Your conspiracy theories don't hold water and you are definately not a "rational thinker". Actually, you sound like a moron and are embarrassing yourself with your comments. Go back to watching "Die Hard 20" and leave the big conversations for the adults. Idiot!!!

Posted by: G Location: Mishawaka on Aug 29, 2008 at 03:42 AM
Jessica= From OC.... That was objective and refreshing. Finally somebody with a educated thought.

Posted by: me on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:37 AM
wow!! still bashing a dead man and his family! how heroic! i really hope none of you ever make a mistake and have something tragic happen to you cuz your legacy will be "oh well he or she was just a crimminal"! I hope the public gets to see what's on the dash cam, probably not though cuz we might get to see the truth. tell me would you park your truck in front of the car lot with your flashers on just so you could steal a car part? again more questions. also if tyler is so traumatized over killing someone, why is he smiling while giving blood? and why does he have a media camera filming it? maybe trying to make him look good? i wouldn't leave my house!! i also didn't see any injuries on him either. i'm just getting really upset with the more i read and see. i don't know if anyone else agrees but i just needed to say this.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 29, 2008 at 02:26 AM
Chad is the brother of Tom, Police haters. IDIOT! Tell you what chad, let me start dragging you on concrete by my truck and lets see how you react. I would try to explain things to you but you OBVIOUSLY have an agenda. I wouldn't be stupid enough to give you a gun though (although you would prob be stupid enough to shoot yourself accidentally) LOL! TROLL!

Posted by: just me Location: elkhart on Aug 29, 2008 at 12:02 AM
to you who say he was raising money to bury his mom, that is the sickest thing anyone could say and shame on you for using her to justify your comments! everyone decided gene was in the lot stealing and dragged mr.tyler only because that is what tyler said! does anyone truly know? everything that is reported to the media comes from the police, does that mean it is the truth? i don't think so! why isn't anyone taking into consideration the last incident with gene was in march of 05? i am a little disturbed about tyler having the media at his side when he donated blood. he didn't look too traumatized to me as reports have stated. if i had just killed someone i don't think i would be smiling and donating blood. where is the media when we donate? Good samaritan? hmmm.. keep the brotherhood going huh. as i said before my son is a cop so i'm not predjudice, i just have alot of questions. i don't beleive genes family is looking for a payday, they only want the truth. wouldn't you?

Posted by: concern family member on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:09 AM My boyfriend witnessed this crash, he could've easily been a part of it. I was less then two minutes behind it and headed to the very driveway this man careened through. I understand the severity of it. I do. It was terrible and frightening but... I counted 21 police cruisers, at least four volunteer vehicles, one fire truck, and two ambulances as responders to this accident scene. The firetruck and ambulances I can understand but 21 police cruisers!!!!!? Was this the only neighborhood that needed our police staff last night? What's going on in Mishawaka? Was any part of our city patrolled between 11 an 12 last night? I don't see how it could have been. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- then why havn't you come foward and let both families know what you seen and not the internet? just asking.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Anonymous @ 11:53.. clearly you are not serious. No one is that uneducated. You must be just trying to get a rise out of people. If the store owner would have killed him you know what would have happened? Nothing. Just like if someone breaks in my house and I kill them. Nothing will happen. You are allowed to protect your home and business. That is 100% the truth. And let's be real.. you are not part of anything accept maybe a few second life sites. That officer endangered his life because IT IS HIS JOB!!! You can not be serious. You aren't wanting that kind of protection at this moment because it does not directly affect you. And another thing that is 100% the truth is that the officer will not be relieved of duty.

Posted by: DAN Location: South Bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM
The tools everone are saying were not found and never seen are very clearly seen on the new footage! It's a Dewalt Sawzall laying on the ground! He was a thief that got caught and tried to drag a cop who was doing his job. The Officer did nothing wrong! As for the Suspects family I feel sorry for them, Dealing with his mothers death and now his over his stupidity.

Posted by: shoppy Location: oc on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:00 PM
It dosent take much to spot Genes family members posting. Fyi In gods word it says Thou shall not steal and to obey the laws of the land. I cant help think of the two Mishawaka Police officers killed going after a criminal. (thief Officer Tyler should him went up to him and said excuse me sir it apears you are stealing I promise I wont hurt you. if you promise not to shoot me or run over me with your car. NOT!!! Good job officer and thank you for a job above and beyond the call. As for Gene it is really sad because his last act on this earth was stealing and he must now give account to his maker What a way to leave this life

Posted by: Partsman Location: Elkhart on Aug 28, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM. I'm a mechanic at a reputable shop.Your right, Concern is a little high. Most people are not mechanically inclined but including labor most converters would be over $200.00. Now your Chevette on the other hand is under $70.00 and with labor would put it around $160.00. Now getting back to the subject. The man chose to steal and unfortunately paid the ultimate consequence. The officer will probably relive this over and over and be tormented by it. This will affect both families. This is an unfortunate incident that could have been easily prevented. There are jobs out there. They may not be "RV" but this is not a reason to steal. By the way Marci "Thou shalt not steal" is what commandment? You responded also, so I guess you to have too much time on your hands too. Can’t we all just keep our hands off others property.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Not only did this man have an extensive criminal history, no one has rationalized that those charges are from the crimes WHERE HE WAS CAUGHT. You can not for one second convince me that the officer "decided to kill this guy" as Chad implies. You liberals and your boo-hoo victim's rights make me sick. I would bet that several of you have a variety of mug shots on file yourselves. Two careers you couldn't pay me enough to pursue-teaching and law enforcement. The teachers have no authority over the thugs in making and law enforcement has to deal with the same criminals over and over because our judicial system gives these guys a slap on the hand and releases them back to commit more crimes. Don't you find it interesting that the officer's family doesn't have to play up to the media trying to convince everyone what an upstanding person he is? I hope the family goes bankrupt with legal expenses if they have the ridiculous notion to sue. That's no better than stealing car parts.

Posted by: Chadsa Location: nidiot on Aug 28, 2008 at 05:11 PM
wait for the prosecutor to release the details and you might understand. Most haters are the same, they have no though process to lead to rational conclusions.

Posted by: Marci Location: South BEnd on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:39 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with both families, as each will have to deal with unfortunate incident for the rest of their lives. Let's not be too quick to judge others. Seems like a lot of people have too much time on their hands, as they are very quick to judge and condemn. "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone."

Posted by: x-military Location: South Bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:27 PM
fyi; Did you know in Saudi Arabia, they would chop off his hands if caught stealing...

Posted by: chad Location: elkhart on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:20 PM
this should tell everybody exactly what cops are all about by the way they are defending this murderer. this "good and heroic cop" decided he was going to kill this guy and thats exactly what he did. he was somehow mysteriously being dragged by this guys truck, and instead of freeing himself, he uses one hand to pull out his gun and shoot an unarmed man in the chest. now, where was his other hand during this maneuver? if he was being dragged why didn't he flip over with the truck. are you trying to make rational thinkers believe that by shooting this man in the chest it magically freed him? the simple fact of the matter is, you cops are lying. would "good guys" lie to protect a murderer? of course the family doesn't want money, but barring a miracle that's going to be the only way for them to get any justice. sue the city also. and if there is a shred of decency in any of you cops investigating this, then you will give this family justice and arrest this loose cannon.

Posted by: Jessica Location: Osceola on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:10 PM
BOTTOM LINE: This would have potentially been that CONVICTS Third Felony Strike in St. Joseph County alone (let’s not forget about the BANK ROBBERY CONVICTION IN MICHIGAN IN 1996) and he knew it and didn't want to go down for being a Habitual Offender which carries a stiff sentence. He had every reason to resist and flee and a good number of you still don't understand that. STOP bashing the cops and place blame where it belongs. Cops have their hand tied, no matter what they do arm chair quarterbacks always step in and voice an opinion after the fact. That officer only had seconds to react. I propose that all police officers STOP doing any proactive work, it is not worth it. Hopefully one of the bashers on this post will be a property crime victim and an officer will do nothing to stop it. Bet that person will have a different opinion then. Let it go, this Career Criminal made some bad decisions that night and sadly it cost him his life.

Posted by: RF Location: Mishawaka on Aug 28, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Criminals decide their own fate once the Police confront them. If you are a criminal you should know this: If you run, you will be chased. If you use force, you will be met with force. If you charge Police with a knife after robbing a bank, you will be shot. If you drag a Police Officer by your vehicle and refuse to stop, you will be shot. If draw a cell phone from your waistband, and assume and shooting stance, you will be shot. To avoid being shot, restrained, or endure any pain... TAKE SOME PERSONAL RESPONCIBILITY for the crime you just got caught doing, and follow the Police Orders: "Stop" "drop the weapon" "show me your hands" "pull the vehicle over" "stop resisting"...are just a few that when obeyed, will ensure a safe painless ride to JAIL, where you belong:)

Posted by: Benton Location: South Bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM
The issue with the officer should be, did he use excessive force that potentially endangered other people? If his actions could have had a direct cause to do injury to bystanders from the out of control vehicle or the shots fired from the officer he would be negligent for excessive use of force. Beyond that, unless the alleged criminal would use as a defense that he was reinstalling the converter that was misappropriated by someone else, he is guilty.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Here's a question to the cop who was stupid enough to stand in front of a car to "prevent" the guy from getting away...why didn't you just let go? This entire story is fishy and every cop around here knows it. Funny how all we have is the cops "story" and that is it. I would die to know if these two have some sort of past history. He was being dragged by the car and instead of letting go, he someone reached up with his gun (1 hand still somehow attached to the car) and fired shots, one going directly into the guys chest. That doesn't even work on TV....

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Concerned, if you have ever paid more than $200 for a cad converter, than you are a complete moron. Even more of a moron than your post suggests.

Posted by: Pete Location: Mishawaka on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM
To: "Questions to Answer" You're misinformed. Why dont you find out how many bullets are carried in a duty weapon first, a vehicle is a deadly weapon when used against someone such as the case at hand- deadly force is met with deadly force, an officer is trained to shoot until the threat is nuetralized. NO ADDITIONAL SHOTS WERE FIRED AFTER THE OFFICER WAS ABLE TO GET FREE OF THE VEHICLE. The vehicle was secured and processed- *Not Metro Homicides first Investigation* The Detective did things correctly- The suspect brought on the end result. This was not over scrap metal- It was over poor choices made by the suspect.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Officers are always officers. Doesn't matter the time. All of you SVU wannabes need to know facts and not what is on the law and order rerun. You sound really uneducated. And also he was in uniform know it all. He had just got done and wasn't home and changed yet. I am sorry that your minimum wage job doesn't require much common sense -if any- but posting on here should.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I hope two things happen 1. Tyler is fired. 2. I am on the civil jury for his wrongful death lawsuit. What was he thinking? Tyler chose to endanger his own life by reaching into the car. He executed a man for stealing a used car part. Why didn't he just get his license plate, or simply follow him home. This crime did not warrant this mans death. This is not the kind of police protection I would want, especially when there is only one story being told. If the store owner would have killed this man for stealing a used car part, what would happen to him?

Posted by: Answers to Questions Location: Elkhart on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:21 AM
First of all, even if Det. Tyler were in street clothes I doubt that anyone would have a problem telling the difference between him and a "commmon thug". Give me a break. From the looks of it, Mr. Nusbaum was pretty well acquainted with the law and would have been known this guy was a cop. Secondly, no witness accounts of the happenings immediately after the truck crashed indicate that shots were fired after that point. While no one saw the confrontation in the auto lot, plenty heard the crash and ran outside to see what was happening. Finally, are you sure no tools have been found? I read an account that said there was a saws-all in the back of his pickup truck. Oh yeah, but I'm sure you will say that the cops are making that up.

Posted by: me Location: here on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:11 AM
On the contrary, 10 shots does NOT require a reload for police officers. There are mags available to police officers that hold 10, but are not legal for civilians. Is it possible that this guy needed money to finance his mother's funeral so he returned to crime for an easy fix?

Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM
To Jay Envy: You say he shouldn't of done anything b/c he was off duty.. they are never off duty! I hope that someday you are in need of help and they drive by b/c they are well "off duty". If this man would of been stealing stuff out of your front yard people I bet you would be thinking a whole lot different

Posted by: R on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43 AM
For those saying, "He should have gotten his license number..." That is my job as a citizen. I call 911 and report the licence number. The policeman's job (on or off duty) is to do excatly what Det. Tyler did. Investigate a suspicious activity and respond appropriately.

Posted by: charles Location: south bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:39 AM
why were emergency flashers on?????????? several things dont add up.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I agree with what "questions to answer" has posted. The police called off ambulance and fire because of shots fired after the accident? The more information I hear on this story the more confused I get. I know for a fact that any patrons that were in the buns restaurant next door were kept in there for hours afterward and not allowed to leave by the police. I don't know about you, but it sounds like something funny going on. 21 mishawaka police cars on scene? Wow. I guess there's not enough going on in mish.

Posted by: Questions To Answer at 08:46am on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Reply to 08:46am Post: You need to get some things straight starting with your English. Speaking of 101, try English 101. Next would be the fact that 10 shots would NOT require a reload.

Posted by: R on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Questions to answer on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:46 AM you are an idiot. Let's start at the beginning and get the facts straight before we drag a policeman's reputation through the gutter. Nusbaum's reputation was already there!! 1)"Shots fired" means that they heard the report on their dispatch radio not that they actually heard the shots being fired. 2)Most police weapons hold more than 10 shots. Most service revolvers hold 15. The policeman would have never had to reload. And where did you hear that 10 shots were fired? I don't think I've read that anywhere in the news reports. 4)Obviously you are really up on police procedure since you know about police 101. Maybe you ought to read about firing your weapons and why you fire your weapon. They aren't trained to nick the bad guy so that he stops. They are trained to kill the bad guy before the bad guy kills them. 5)Maybe the van has been removed to put on a new catalytic converter so that the car lot can sell the van after Nusbaum ruined it!

Posted by: Denise on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Let me ask those of you that feel Officer Tyler should have ignored what was happening because he was off duty, If your life were being threatened would you expect any Officer to ignore that? Thank you Officer Tyler for caring enough about our community to put yourself out there, even when you were off duty.

Posted by: Lynch on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM
I'll sleep better at night, now knowing my catalytic converter will be safe. I also feel better knowing that cops are never really off duty. Especially when I see them armed in the local tavern drinking. The guy was a criminal, and Tyler was Judge, Jury, and Executioner. This would have saved everybody alot of trouble if a few simple things were done. Call the POLICE who are on duty, get a plate number. Real simple huh? Peg your an idiot. The ad about being killed by stealing copper wires means you could be electrocuted, not shot by the police.

Posted by: R Location: Elkhart on Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11 AM
Who do you think will play Detective Tyler when this plays out on "CSI"? I'm hoping they use local celebrity Vern Troyer to play Nusbaum. This should be some great publicity for the car lot and tatoo parlor. For those at the Iron Butterfly, you should offer Catalytic Converter tattoos for half price this week.

Posted by: Concerned Location: for society on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:54 AM
You all are hung up over the "$90.00" part. That is what he would get for scrap!!! If YOU had to buy one to replace one that a fine upstanding grieving citizen cut off the bottom of your car they start at around $500 and I have seen them as high as $1000.00. Now how would you feel if you had to replace that. Also with a sawsall it would take less than five minutes to remove one from a car. I've seen news articles where criminals have stolen them anywhere from a car lot, the side of the highway when you breakdown and last but not least your driveway. I'm sorry but back up for police is not instantaneous as you all think. Mr. Nusbaum unfortunately made a bad choice. He could have stopped at any time during this episode. Both families will have to live with this for a long time.

Posted by: Questions to answer Location: South Bend on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:46 AM
I think that we need to get some things straight before we drag this mans life through the gutter. It must be understand that Nusbaum was approached by an off-duty officer in street clothes, an unmarked car, and no way to differentiate between a officer and a common thug approaching him. It has been reported that as many as 10 shots were fired. 10 shots requires a reload and demonstrates an intent to kill not stop the fleeing suspect. It police 101 not to shoot at a suspect in a moving car as aa loss of control results in potential harm to innocent bystanders. Third Oscelo fire was dispatched to the wreck and called of when they heard shots fired after the initial accident call. Meaning chronologically that shots were fired after Nusbaum crashed. The largest piece of evidence in this case, the van, has been removed from the investigation by the car dealer, not the police. The tools required to complete the theft are also yet to be found. Innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:39 AM
wow me on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:49 PM, Columbo has nothing on you. Sounds like you have this all figured out. The fact that he was STEALING wouldn't make him jumpy, it was because someone in street clothes identified himself as a policeman. I'm sure the first thing that passed through the criminals mind was, "I'd better run because of all the fake officers in street clothes." I'm sure it had nothing to do with him holding a STOLEN part from a car.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:28 AM
Anonymous @ 630... It would make sense to you if you read the story. People have these things called legs and he used his to run to his truck and get inside of it after he was approached by the officer. And unlike non officer citizens the officer tried to stop him. That would be his job and natural reaction as an officer.

Posted by: Floyd on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I got a good laugh on the news last night. The ex-wife said, "I aint sayin' it couldn't happen, I'm just sayin' it don' make sense". Wuhh? That made a lot of sense! The creepy nebulous, vague statements, "I jess don't understand it, I jess don't understand it, he was right with jeebus...". How can people not know how contrived they sound!?

Posted by: Greatful Citizen Location: Everywhere, USA on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:23 AM
GOOD JOB to officer Jeremy Tyler !!! GOOD RIDDANCE to Eugene Nusbaum!!! If judges would do their job, people like Officer Tyler wouldn't have to do it for them! That guy should have been in jail along time ago.

Posted by: Proud SBPD on Aug 28, 2008 at 06:58 AM
Some you on here make me sick! It makes me not want to do any proactive police work. I think I'll just get my paper and sit in a park until I get a call. Some of you couldn't fill the shoes of Det. Tyler and you know it. He did just what he was trained to do and WON and that is the goal. He went home to his family that night. Nusbaum didn't die because he STOLE the converters, he died trying to drag a cop down the street, get your stories straight! He was also in Osceola because he was on his way home. By Indiana law, we have full police powers ANYWHERE in Indiana.

Posted by: scott Location: osceola on Aug 28, 2008 at 06:05 AM
there are to many lose ends here, that the media dont seam to be talking about.if the officer was off duty what was he wearing?what was he driving? does anyone remember all the reports of police impersonations in this area a couple of years ago?if you do then you mite also remember the media and the police ,saying that if you are not sure if the person trying to pull you other is a cop ,not to stop untill you are in a safe place around other people.did this cop catch him removing the part? if so then why did this guy get up off of the ground and back into his truck.

Posted by: Katie on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:33 AM
I don't know much about this man, and I won't judge him based on the amount of times he's been arrested or on this one story. The police officer was doing what he thought was right, especially at that moment. Everyone should wait to learn more about the facts before judging the situation and a man you don't even know personally. To the family, I'm sorry for your loss.

Posted by: bob Location: mishawaka on Aug 28, 2008 at 03:06 AM
To Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:25 PM, Really? Someone should file a law "suite" against whoever taught your English classes in the four grades you made it through.

Posted by: Debby Location: Mishawaka on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Due to unfortunate circumstances, our family met Det. Jeremy Tyler on several occasions. He is a very kind, considerate, & caring human being who happens to be a police officer. He would only use deadly force as a last resort. He is not a violent person. We are fortunate to have him on the Mish police force. This shooting will trouble him the rest of his life because he has a heart for people. I pray for the Tyler family & the Nusbaum family. Each has its' share of grief to deal with. Situations confront us on a daily basis & we are left to deal with the choices we make. Jeremy Tyler is no different in that regard. If I were in a life threatening situation, I would want Det Tyler there because I have observed him during stressful events & he is a level headed police officer.

Posted by: JB Wheeler Location: Dowagiac on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:10 AM
"Why do cops think they need to hunt down petty criminals when there are so many more serious things to work on? I'll tell you why, some of them get their jollies that way, it's a power trip." I had to laugh when I read this as posted by "Anonymous ". Well sir, you seem to know that there are more serious things for Off Duty Detectives to work on, do tell! Where? When will they happen? Please, pass on this valuable information to local Law Enforcement so they don't have to use valuable resources going after criminals. Please inform us sir, which laws should the Police enforce and which one's should they ignore? I suppose the Officer could have allowed Mr Nusbaum to drag him to his death so he could come and steal YOUR converter next time, but I'm glad the Officer chose to live rather than be killed for scrap metal.

Posted by: John Location: Medaryville, IN on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Hats off to the brave officer for going beyond the call of duty. He obviously tried to stop the thief ( If you don't think he was a thief,what was he doing and what was he arrested for 12 times. ) without violence and endangered his own life and his life was put into jeopardy so he acted in self defense. Thank God the officer wasn't seriously maimed or killed and one of the best is still on the streets to protect honest working and honest people. Now do not put him on trial. without obvious evidence of wrong doing. Stealing is wrong , protecting is not. Officer Tyler and other officers, you guys be alert and careful out there.

Posted by: Audrey Location: Nappanee on Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Jeremy Tyler did his job well and can be proud to be the outstanding police officer that he is. We need more officers of his caliber. He faced a difficult situation professionally and unselfishly. Thank you Jeremy!

Posted by: Jessica Location: Osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Let's see... a Career Criminal( I Know, He Has Changed His Life Around ) with a previous Felony conviction for THEFT is caught in the act of stealing.This Criminal then resists a Police Officer and attempts to flee dragging the officer down the road. Now Family, Friends and general TREE HUGGERS want to fault the cop. GIVE ME A BREAK. I hope all of you police bashers don't ever call the police in your time of need, but you will. And when that time comes that officer can't get there for you fast enough and you will act like he is your best friend.

Posted by: Joe Location: Dowagiac on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Being a Police Officer is not an easy job. The vast majority of the time they're bored out of their minds and just driving around making sure everything stays that way. When something does happen, we as citizens have the right to run away from danger. Police Officers don't have that luxury! They have sworn to protect us regardless of the situation. The Mishawaka Detective was obligated by his oath to stop and protect the property of the car dealership. Mr Nusbaum however was not obligated by any such oath to hold a $90.00 catalytic converter more valuable than a human life. He chose to drag a human being down the road, not careing if he killed him or not, in an effort to make a $90.00 profit. Is that all a human life is worth these days, $90.00? The Detective not only fulfilled his obligation to the public to act, he acted with Courage, and at great risk to his own personal safety. The City of Mishawaka should be proud to have Officers such as this serving them.

Posted by: TAMMY Location: ELKHART on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I DO NOT FEEL THAT THE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE APPROACH HIM HE WAS OFF DUTY HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED FOR BACK UP AND FOLLOWED THE MAN AND GOT HIS PLATE #. THAT OFFICER SHOULD BE FIRED AND CHARGED. THAT MAN WOULD NOT BE DEAD. HE WOULD BE IN JAIL.

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Posted by: Mom Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:18 PM
I'm glad the officer made it out ok. I am in no way a police basher, I think he was just in protecting himself. But, he could of let him go, so he was not dragged and all the other cops could of chased him down and got him that way and the bad guy would be alive still. Specially, since he had no weapen. I agree with another post, this guy may have had no choice, but steal to feed his children. We don't know. Times are tough. But, when he was busted he should of just stopped and relized he was caught. I don't know a lot of if's. I'm just glad the good guy the officer lives to see another day. God Bless All of them.

Posted by: - Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Arrested 12 times in 10yrs is petty? The habitual loser got what was coming to him. To all of the police, keep up the good work risking you lives everyday.

Posted by: me Location: elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:49 PM
i watched the 5: news today and it was reported that officer tyler was promoted to detective about a year ago, if that is so then why is he in a police uniform at the hospital when they were drawing blood? i know a detective and they wear slacks and dress shirts. also this raises more questions about what happened. tell me if some one approached you in street clothes and identified themselves as police would you beleive them or maybe panic after all how many times has it been in the news that someone is impersonating an officer. i don't know, MORE QUESTIONS THAN EVER. did it occur maybe he shot him first and gene got in his truck and tried to get to his house? i would think a quarter of a mile chase the cop should have reached him before the civilian did. hopefully with this incident calming down people can be more objective and start thinking about all the changed stories and also start caring about a man who lost his life.i know the family isn't worried about money,they want the truth

Posted by: k Location: michigan on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:58 PM
i think the officer was doin his job. if he didnt do any think people would be asking were is a cop when you need one. well he was there so give him credit for doing his job. they are here to serve and protect us and that is what he was doing

Posted by: Don Location: indiana on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:10 PM
After reading further I have a question, How can a lot of posters on here preach Do Not Judge Gene innocent until proven quilty but then in the same post Judge this Officer as quilty quilty quilty. I am not an officer in South Bend or Mishawaka but if i was you bet I would bend over for you people.

Posted by: wondering Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Everyone keeps saying POLICE OFFICER. Well, the story says he was an OFF-DUTY police DETECTIVE. Now, he probably wasn't wearing a uniform, and anybody can say they are the police..and did he flash a badge at the guy? So, maybe the guy thought it was just some do-gooder Joe Shmoe asying he was a cop and thought he would run for it. It does erally sound like the cop was playing super-cop and trying to get this guy, and went way beyond where it should have.

Posted by: Don Location: indiana on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:03 PM
Could you imagin what the comments would have been if it had read, Off duty Officer drives by while man steals from local business. Wow we would surely get it handed to us then. To the person who commented what would have happened if a civilian had done this lets face it most civilians will not even be wittnesses let alone take action against a criminal. Det. Tyler chin up job well done, thoughts and prayers with all.

Posted by: bill Location: Plymouth on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:03 PM
I like "Intheknow"'s comment about "the dinning area of Between the Buns" --- doesnt sound good, but im glad the officer decided to act when he saw someone doing wrong-- maybe the outcome of the criminals choice will make other lawbreakers think twice about what can legaly go wrong for a criminal if they get caught.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:30 PM
One thing doesn't make sense, if he was under a car stealing a catalytic converter how did he drive away with a police officer on his vehicle?

Posted by: Lisa Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Thank God for police officers. This man was a career criminal attempting yet another crime. How dare he not yield and respect this officer. This officer was doing his best to help the community. If we don't respect the police and allow them to question people like this we need to open up the cell doors to all the jail cells and let the prisoners take over. We own a business in Mishawaka and I am so glad to know there is one less thief in the world. The thief chose his own fate. My sister is a policewoman and this could have happened to her. For all of you who say this man was so sweet and innocent--get over your denial. Thank God for diligent policeman like this officer. I am so tired of hearing pathetic excuses about how wonderful these type of people are once they get caught in the act of something. An honest person wouldn't have been cutting this part off of a vehicle that wasn't his own.

Posted by: Verity Chastain on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:47 PM
So, Eugene would never do something like this. Well, he had done it often enough before. I highly doubt he was out of the vehicle in that parking lot smoking and thinking. This man was a career criminal plain and simple.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Michigan on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Alot of you are saying he was just at the car dealership thinking. Most people don't go to a dealership to think, they go there to buy a vehicle or steal something. If excuses were money you'd all be rich.

Posted by: Mike Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:40 PM
The man was breaking the law, AGAIN. Not the first time.. He was a criminal. My heart goes out to his family, but my heart goes out to Officer Tyler and his family as well. As for saying that Gene was unarmed, you people are morans. He was in a moving vehicle. Vehicles cause more deaths per year in the U.S than guns do. I consider that being armed with a deadly weapon. If Gene was such a great guy, why did he not pull over when the officer was hanging on. This tells me that he was willing to kill the officer with his vehicle in order to escape, and that gives the right for the officer to use deadly force. As far as "if this would have been one of us, we would get arrested" you do not have a set large enough to try to stop a criminal. You would have ran inside and called the police and then got online to bash them because they did not catch the person who violated your rights. Hang in there Jeremy, our safety depends on you.

Posted by: Ally Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Good Job Mishawaka police. you went above and beyond. To everyone saying"it was only a 90$ part"...Are we just supposed to overlook a crime if it isn't something REAL expensive!

Posted by: to the liberals Location: sb on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:29 PM
the guy was a career criminal. do not tell me all of the junk that he was upset over his mother. he is a career criminal who was stealing converters. why else was he in a car lot so late at night? why else did he flee the scene and try to kill a police officer w/ a 2 ton truck? why else did he have a reciprocating saw with him? to many coincidences here. the officer WAS CORRECT to use deadly force. he investigated suspicious activities and followed his protocols. get a grip with reality. let me guess, the criminal is an innocent victim who was on his way home from choir practice when he decided to help a cat out of tree.

Posted by: D Location: MI on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:24 PM
You can call me uneducated if you please, but all I was trying to state was that not all the information was given to the public! That is exactly how things get out of control. Not one of us on here has the whole story, and probably never will, but we continue to judge one side or the other. If you read this article, it does NOT say that the man ran for his vehicle. All I am saying is that maybe the public needs to be a little more informed.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:07 PM
Yea... he would never do anything like this.. no really. I mean why would he? He has only been arrested 12 times. Thats totaly normal. And when I lose a loved one you can assure that I will grab my sawzaw and reflect and mourn in the lot of used car dealership. And then I will steal something from the cars. Well atleast try to like Gene did. Nothing wrong with that... It's only remembering my lost loved ones. I thought that's how everyone grieves.

Posted by: T.carney Location: mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Response time in our city is the fastest I know of in this county.The time it would have taken Gene to commit this eledged crime would have allowed patrol officers plenty of time to have had several units on the scene.Have our Officers already forgotten thier Fallen Brothers that should have had backup.before confronting the guy at the Wooden Indian.Do the people of Mishawaka Really condone this type of Dirty Harry cop.This officer should get a medal alright A metal Door to his new Jail cell.I've Known Gene,I Know he Made good changes in his life.Gene did his time,Payed his debit,And had gotten on with a new life.Gene is gone and Yet Dirty Harry is off with pay.bad choice yes

Posted by: Steve Peach Location: Nappanee, IN on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:56 PM
I've known Jeremy Tyler for many years now and can testify to his integrity, character, and high moral standards. His father used to be my pastor, and he and his wife raised 3 kids to be execptional examples of how one should conduct themselves and how to use the Golden Rule in all situations. If Jeremy told the aledged criminal to stop, then why didn't he? Just because an officer is "off duty" they are still an officer of the law and should be respected as such. Knowing Jeremy, if he pulled his weapon, it's because he felt he had no other choice. It's time to stop blaming the police for the criminals' stupidity. We could easily be preparing for another funeral for a fallen officer who was just trying to do his job. We've done this enough as a community. I'm sorry Mr. Nusbam lost his life, but he was given a choice in the matter, and it's clear he made the wrong one.

Posted by: its me Location: osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:54 PM
i think that all off you that keep talking about "well thats one less criminal off the streets" how would anyone on here feel if this was one of thier family members? i am with chad all the way!!! i think the cop should be arrested for murder!!! No, i did not know nusbaum or any of his family, but my heart goes out to the family!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Michigan on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I just hope that a cop never has to make a decission like this one when I'm around. They always say that they have little time to make that determination. I say that before you take someone's life you should think long and hard and not in an instant of panic. Why do cops think they need to hunt down petty criminals when there are so many more serious things to work on? I'll tell you why, some of them get their jollies that way, it's a power trip. I don't know who to fear more, criminals or cops! Pray for both families, they will all need them. Please Think before you act!

Posted by: catherine Location: mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:43 PM
A police officer will not shoot without identifying himself or herself first. I believe Detective Tyler did what his job requirement is, "to serve and protect." And for those of you who question Detective Tyler's actions, don't be so quick to judge. If an officer was protecting your life or the life of someone close, would you still believe the officer's actions were out of line. To Detective Tyler, and all officers, I say "Thank you for putting your life on the line and for doing what we cannot."

Posted by: MJ on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:40 PM
I feel sorry for the pain of losing a loved one and a friend, unfortunately Gene never thought his actions would affect his family directly. If he needed a quiet place to think..wouldn't the gas station parking lot (Which was closed) been a better place to do it? Or if he was so overwhelmed, maybe just pull off the road? Nobody who has a criminal past would hide between the cars to morn and not think...maybe this isn't the best thing for me as a former con, with bank robbery, burglary, resisting arrest, bomb threats...ect on my record. Ask yourself, why did Gene go that far for smokes and pass up a couple stations that were open? Obviously family members have posted he recently took a week off work to go to Texas and has a mother to bury. Both of which cost a lot of money. Is it so unheard of he had an easy way to get the money back? Use your better judgment and don't let your your emotions blind you. Oh and BTW- Jailhouse Jesus is just a way career criminals trick the people they love

Posted by: Todd Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:39 PM
I am so thankful for Officers like Jeremy Tyler. I wish there were more cops out there like him. He could have just driven by and never investigated the man who was stealing, but no he did his job. Officer Tyler should be honored for going above and beyound the call of duty. To all of you who say it was only a 90 dollar car part i agree with you. However that is not the point, the point is if the criminal had nothing to hide why did he drive away with the officer attched to his car. My guess because he was in the process of comitting a crime he didnt want to go to jail for. I can guarantee if i was placed in the same situation I would have shot this criminal also, and I am not even a cop.

Posted by: Vince Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:38 PM
The off-duty officer did exactly what we all would hope he would do- try to foil a theft, and apprehend the suspect. It was a tragic outcome, but every choice the suspect made, led to his own demise.

Posted by: Jay Envy Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Killed a man for a $90.00 hunk of metal. Why not just call 911? Your off duty! I hope your proud!

Posted by: Peg Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Officers are "on duty" 24/7. The value of items being stolen by criminals is of NO consequence! A crime was obviously being committed and the officer should be commended for stopping -- the current TV ad asks if "do you want to be killed stealing copper wires?" This instance it was a catalytic converter! The brave men in blue need our support 24/7, and the media needs to stop hyping and stick to reporting.

Posted by: tom Location: goshen on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:28 PM
the officer should be held in high esteem for trying to stop a crime in progress--he took an oath;they serve 24hrs a day--the man shot had a long criminal record --he never learned from his mistakes,now he lost his life!!!.the south bend pd an county sheriffs dept should get more officers -south bend needs to clean up the crime!!!!

Posted by: thankful citizen on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:24 PM
unknown at 2:20, are you an idiot? The officer never changed his story. The media has decided what to tell you to make a good story out of this. Bottom line, bad guy got caught, good guy went home to his family. The media and ignorant people like yourself are turning this into something it is not. Thank you officer tyler, i salute you!

Posted by: Jim Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:21 PM
I don't want to condemn the police officer but unfortunatley, we only have one side of the story, and there are still many unanswered questions. Since the officer was off duty and a detective, was he in uniform? Was he in a marked car? Why is a Mishawaka officer confronting a person in Osceola? Couldn't he just observe the suspect and call 911? How did he know the victim was stealing the catalytic converter and not just looking at a used vehicle. I sometimes look at new and used vehicles after the lot is closed. If the officer was in plainclothes and in his own vehicle, he was wrong to confront someone after dark. If someone who I couldn't readily identify as a police officer approached me in the dark and grabbed my door I would leave as fast as I could also.

Posted by: Robert Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:14 PM
A police officer is never off Duty. I am very grateful that one stopped and did what he was trained to do off or on Duty. It makes no difference. Criminals, Take a note: with police watching for you 24 / 7 chances are you might be cought.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:14 PM
I can not believe all of the ignorant people in this world.."He got what he deserved" how can ayone say that he deserved to die over a $90 car part. So he was a criminal, I understand the cost of "housing" this criminal may not be in your budget but you know what move to the Soviet Union you wont have to worry about it so much

Posted by: nick Location: millersburg,in on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:11 PM
i think that the officer did his job even through he was off-duty. He see something suspicious activity and he was just seeing what was going on and making sure everything was okay. But he feared for his life and he did what he was trainded to do as a officer.

Posted by: Kayla Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I believe that the officer just simply did his job. He saw something suspicious and he acted on it.

Posted by: JD Location: Bridgman on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:05 PM
Tim I'm sure that the Nesbaum family is willing to take your money go ahead and donate, instead of expecting the taxpayers to pay. As for calling for back up while being dragged down the street, Good Luck, all Nesbaum had to do was surrender and cease. You liberals are more worried about the rights and feelings of the criminals, instead of the victims. I know the officer has children and a wife at home, and had to make a quick and tough decision to save his own life. My thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Tyler and his family. I appreciate his service and sacrifice.

Posted by: Dan Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:05 PM
He did what was right. Whether he was off duty or not.

Posted by: dave Location: granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:58 PM
a.m.s, Really? Gene would have never done something like this?? Are you serious? Look at his record. Secondly, all he had to do was reach under the van with the saw and cut the pipes. he didn't have to jack it up. get real! It does add up. The cop identified himself, he could'nt use anything but his gun in a Deadly Force situation. You know nothing and it shows. You're like a person that says "why didn't he shoot the gun out of his hand?" Just riduculous and an uneducated assertion. he was stealing, he got caught and was willing to do anything to get away without going to jail AGAIN! Including killing a cop if necessary. The guy got what he desrved.

Posted by: D Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:43 PM
One less criminal off the streets. At least we won't have to warehouse him in prison, feed and clothe him, pay for medical care.

Posted by: me Location: elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:42 PM
for susan on aug.27, just to let you know 7 days ago gene was in texas with his mom after having 2 strokes and a surgery and sadly passed away 2 days later. so sorry he didn't remove your electric meter or cut your wires. so please don't let your guard down because whomever did it is still out there. please don't point fingers unless you know. you know what they about people who assume.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: MISHAWAKA on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:25 PM
GENE THE COP WAS IN THE WRONG ALL THE WAY ROUND.. HE DIDNT FOLLOW THE RULES AS TO BEING A POLICE OFFICER.. THE STORY DONT ADD UP ON ALL THE THINGS THEY HAVE SAID AND THEN CHANGED.. THE COP CANT GET THE STORY RIGHT HES SCARED.. AND WOULDENT IF HE GOT DRAGGED HOW DID HE ONLY HAVE MINOR INJURES?? COME UP GET A GRIP PEOPLE THE POLICE R HIDING SOMNETHING I HOPE THE FAMILY PUTS A LAW SUITE ON THIS DIRTY OFFICER..

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Posted by: CRE Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Allison from Elkhart: are you crazy?? Obviously he wan't "walking the straight and narrow." If he wasnt doing anything wrong, he wouldn't have been running from the officer. With his criminal history, sad as it is, I think he got what he deserved. How stupid to not obey the officer, run from him, and drang someone with your car. You both have the same train of thought, I'm sure you are related...

Posted by: SBPD Officer Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:57 PM
To those that want to be critical of the officer for shooting for what they say is just a stolen muffle I would like to let you know that when people react strangley and run from us we also question why. Are they wanted, if so for what?. Could they have just killed someone? We don't have the opportuinitythat everyone else has over the next few days to put how nice adn caring the individual was. We only usually have very limited amount, if any, information. What happened if he got away and later they found that this individual murdered a family. Then those that want to be critical would be saying he wasn't doing his job Others sound like they should have called for back up and chased him. Well that would be great until the pursuit ended in a wreck possibly killing innocent people. Officer Tyler did what he needed to do with the information he had. To Tim Mishawaka Aug 26 3:21 PM how do you know his life wasn't i danger? You were probably snuggled up with teddy at the time.

Posted by: chad Location: elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:52 PM
lets look at this situation in context. lets say some average joe was setting in his apartment and looked outside and saw somebody stealing something from his car. and then he decides to grab his gun and go outside to confront the guy. then the guy who was stealing, realizing he is busted hops in his vehicle and takes off, thinking feet don't fail me now. now what would happen to a civilian who hops in the guys truck and shoots this unarmed man in the chest? he would be arrested. no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. are you cops above the law? thats a rhetorical question because we all know the answer is yes. this cop we'll be cleared, just like every other cop who uses excessive force. there is no justice in this country. to the family who lost a loved one, please listen to me here. you must hire an attorney and sue the cop and the police department. the more you spend the better you'll be represented. make sure you hire one whose heart is in it.dont let them get away with this.

Posted by: Cathy Miller Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:48 PM
Regardless whether Mr. Nusbaum has had a criminal past or not, the fact is, he chose to try and get away from a police officer. If he was in fact NOT doing anything wrong, why did he choose to run? The officer was doing what a police office is supposed to do, stop someone from breaking the law. I feel for the family of Mr. Nusbaum, and pray they find peace. I also give thanks that the officer was not also killed. Is a $90 piece of scrap worth a life????? I think not.

Posted by: David Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:45 PM
If he wasn't doing anyghing illegal in the first place he would still be alive!

Posted by: intheknow Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Hey Tim, the family won't be getting any money because it was handled correctly. It makes me laugh to read so much uneducated ignorance on here. He identified himself, told him to stop and tried to keep the truck from taking off. Regardless of weather he was stealing and regardless of how many times he's been arrested for theft,dope and whatever else, the man told him to stop! AFTER identifying himself as a cop. Nusbaum decided that he was not going back to jail no matter what even if that meant dragging the officer with his truck potentially killing him. His firing of the weapon is justified if he believed he was going to die. And further more, Nusbaum drove at 70-80 miles per hour for more than just one hundred yards as reported before crashing. It was more like a half mile taking out mail boxes and just missing the outside dining area of Between the Buns. Sure, he was shot and dying but was hell bent on getting away no matter what and no matter who got in his way.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I have a feeling that crime will continue and become out of control until these desperate people get back to work, go to jail or end up dead. very sad

Posted by: its me Location: osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:42 PM
if it was your family or friend you wouldnt feel the same. instead, jason says a 20 cent bullet and the problem is solved tell me jason how would you feel

Posted by: its me Location: osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:38 PM
how does anyone know if he was there stealing something or if he was there remembering is brother and mother? the car lot owner said that 2 weeks ago that some one stole 2 catalytic converters it could have been someone else who messed with that van Not Nusbaum!!!! MY prayers to the family!!!

Posted by: UNKNOWN Location: ELKHART on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:20 PM
How can an officer be in the truck and be drug at the same time. And if he is being drug and hanging on and draw his weapon at the same timer and reach in and shoot him in his chest and the same time. Why did it take the officer so long to get to the accident when a neighbor had enough time to get from his house to the accident and take vitals and get back to his house ,call 911 before the cop drove a a quarter mile to the accident. Why didnt the cop have the video camera in the car on when he got out of the car to check the suspicious guy and why didnt the cop wiat and call for back up? Why would a cop jump into a window if he feared for his life let alone a vehicle that was already moving and change his story about 15 times.does he have the right story this time?

Posted by: a.m.s Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 03:17 PM
I am a friend of the family and i know eugene personally and he would never do something like this.Eugene lost his brother a couple years ago and he lost his mother a couple days ago.He was in the process of putting his mothers funeral together which is taking place this saturday.I believe that he was just taking a moment to himself. Its hard losing your mother and having to plan a funeral also..Eugene had a good paying job. I believe he was just sitting in his car and remember everythin bout his mom and brother.. Lets think bout something that just dont add up..If u know eugene he is not a small guy, everyone knows that you have to have a jack to lift the car.wheres that evidence at.there is none.why did it take so long for the officer to come out if he is claiming to be innocent. why couldnt he use his mase/tazer,how can u be shot in the center of the chest if the cop was holding on the truck while he was driving away. Why didnt the cop use his camera and why back up was called late

Posted by: just me Location: elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:52 PM
i just read all the comments. to the person calling people hillbillies just because they show support for gene just shows your ignorance. what gives you the right to stereotype? and to the person saying anyone who supports him are crimminals too is utterly rediculous! at this point i support gene and i'm not a "hillbilly" and further more i have never commimited a crime in my life! i am 52 so please don't label me. i have more questions than ever and have my own oppinions. there are 2 people who know what happened and 1 of them is dead. so i can only hope the cop made the right choice. if he didn't then that is something he will have to live with. we wonder why society is like it is. my son will be going over seas soon to protect people with this kind of ignorance and it makes me wonder is it this kind of mentality that gets us into so many situations? the cruel words you put into print will be burnt into the brain of the family forever, so be very careful what you say.

Posted by: Crime and Punishment Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:41 PM
"He was mu Aunt's, Mother-In-Laws, Cousin's Uncle". Please, give me a break, you people never mingled, thought of him highly until now. I'll pray for him and his family, but please don't lie to cover up your family name. *Hush*

Posted by: Jason Location: far away from Northern IN on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:30 PM
12 arrests in 10 years! How much money wasted in courts, lawyers, etc and he is still free to commit crimes. A 20 cent bullet and the problem is solved. Job well done.

Posted by: Tim on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Well if anything is learned from this, it is we need to give the police more money. That way we could get some real professional working in Mishawaka, instead of untrained cowboys. No way this situation was by the book. Suspect was fleeing NOT TRYING TO RUN OVER ANYONE. A person was charged, found guilty, and executed, and you people call him a hero. Thank god the suspect wasn't black, can you imagine the problems that would cause. I'm a Mishawaka tax payer and I hope the children of Nesbaum get alot of money out of the city.

Posted by: lele Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:51 PM
My question is, what is the difference if the officer was standing in the open door of the truck or if the officer was standing in front of the truck trying to get him to stop? What if the guy tried to run him over? Would everyone be boo-hooing if the officer shot him then? I think the officer went ABOVE AND BEYOND what most people would do! Great job! I have relatives from the LaPorte police department and many friends on Elkhart's police department. I completely respect every aspect of their jobs. Fact is, this guy had a criminal past and he was at it again! I am sure there are many car lot owners (and others) that are glad someone is looking out for them. How many vehicles would this guy have taken apart if the officer hadn't stopped? How much would the insurance company and the car lot be out? How many other lots did he hit before he was caught? Times are tough and they are tough everywhere. There are ways around it besides stealing! Once again, GREAT JOB and THANK YOU!

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:47 PM
120 comments later and it looks like the normal group of anonymous posters have went to the normal tactic of name calling and black and white thinking. I'm not saying the officer did anything wrong - maybe he handled this perfectly. The point is two people know what happened and one isn't talking. For copfrommlp - here's why I can question this: I live in America and know that some cops aren't the knights in shining armor that they would want everyone to believe. I don't know the cop or the deceased. So what am I supposed to do? Shut my mouth and listen to whatever story they want me to hear? It must be rough to have to see a public forum where people can have questions about the mighty police and ask them without fear of retribution. WNDU provides us with a valuable tool to see how public opinion sits on different stories. I won't apologize for questioning you. I can't do it face to face. I've seen what happens to others in that scenario.

Posted by: PJ Location: Goshen on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:38 PM
I am so sick of hearing on here "what about the family?". Obviously the criminal didn't think of his own family so why should the rest of us? He got exactly what he deserved.

Posted by: G Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:37 PM
I will be praying for this police officer as he comes to terms with taking another man's life. I will also pray that the family of the man that was killed will be able to accept the circumstances of his death.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:24 PM
I feel for the family, it was a very sad situation. If the man was greiving, the police officer wasn't given the chance to ask him what his story was, he ran, then dragged the police officer (compromising his life) with his vehicle. The police officer had seconds to act, it's easy for people to comment on how the situation could've been handled differently, how would you have handled it? Given the fact you can sit in thought for as much time as you like to come up with a more appropriate approach, the police officer did not have that luxury. He was in fact caught trying to steal a converter off a car red handed and the officer was just doing his job to stop him. I'm just sorry the man lost his life because of his actions. It could've been the other way around had the officer been crushed with the truck, then we would've all been commenting on how we've lost another hero murdered by a criminal. We all seem to forget that leading a life of crime can lead to consequencies, not always jail.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Chad, I am glad you are not out there protecting my home and family. I can tell you have never been there. Thanks to people like detective Tyler and other police officers for being there when we need them.

Posted by: Leo Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:04 PM
No excuse for stealing, but lets track down the junk yards that are buying these types of articles. They know these items are stolen and yet they accept them and give the crooks money. It is so sad that a person has to loose their life over something that cost less than $100. I don't blame the police, if this person was stealing something from your property, and then wouldn't submit to stopping, would you try (in what ever way) to stop them? It's just a really sad situation there was no winner here.

Posted by: Big C Location: Here on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:52 PM
To Bill from Elkhart Aug 27, 2:33am Back at ya buddy thats just what i was thinking except that you were a complete idiot. If you dont agree with my opinion then you must be an idiot that will hopfully meet the same fate for doing stupid things like this guy. What a moron. Just feel good that when it happens to you people will be here to say what a idiot you are too. Later loser

Posted by: Leroy on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM
I like to imagine the entire event happening with 70s action movie music. Just sayin'.

Posted by: copfromlp Location: laporte on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Are you kidding me, why would you even question this officer's actions. If this IDIOT wouldn't have been stealing, and THEN try to run a POLICE OFFICER over, the officer would not have had to make that SPLIT SECOND decision. You all fail to realize that officers don't get to read these situations on a website, and then act, WE HAVE TO ACT IN A SPLIT SECOND, so enjoy your monday morning quarterbacking, and let the real crime fighters keep up the good fight, while you sit in your lazy boy,and judge us.....give me a break, he did everything that he was TRAINED to do! One less criminal off the streets! And a side not, a man was killed in gary doing the same thing last month, when a cr fell on him during the night...who would you blame there??? the car lot.....how about a CRIMINAL takes responsibility

Posted by: SB Resident Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Roger, I had the same thing happen to me. A car was stolen that matched my car. I was stopped by 3 cop cars, they all pulled their guns on me, grabbed me out of the car, pushed me up against it, handcuffed me and then asked questions. I am a female, not very big and I think they could have handled that situation very differently. If they would have ran my plates they would have seen that they matched the car and all.

Posted by: who knows on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Thankful... I never said he didn't make bad choices or was a criminal. Listen and please hear. I do not condone his actions if that is the fact. I am thankful the cop is ok. Should he pay for a crime if he is guilty, of course. The whole point was to say both sides can learn from this. The next point will be that the recession is impacting people in a very bad way. It will get worse. Do I fear hell yeah. It will affect us all. Why is it so hard to think that maybe if assessed differntly maybe he wouldn't be dead. Did he kill someone, no. Was he trying to with intent. I doubt it. I would have used my abilities to ID him and other resources to bring him in. Yes he tried to improve his life. If wrong should he pay, of course. Was death the answer? We are at war and we are killing earth and now the hate has grown among us to the point there may be no return. I respect our officers and will. Let's try to think of the family and not call him bad names. How hard is that?

Posted by: who knows on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Defending yeah in a way. Like I said I do not condone, but I do not condemn. I think people fail to see how could've been different? How could it have been misunderstood maybe? Let's say he was by the tracks to mourn the loss of his brother from years ago. Brought on by the recent death of his mother. Sure he's had a past, if you had a past don't you think you would run too. Especially if you didn't want to get blamed for something that may be wrongly assumed. I am thankful the officer is ok, he should have called for back up and he could have assessed the situation to the point of him not putting himself in danger. Would I hang out of a truck. NO Now with the information with ID'ing him, plate # and knowing of the company the truck was from... Hello do we not have enough confidence to use our heads before we use wrongful or excessive force? If he's guilty fine, the part may very well be 500, scrappers won't pay that. Until we all have the facts, no one no can judge.

Posted by: a mom Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Someone mentioned a video. I did not see that, where was there video?

Posted by: a mom Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Fact: in a car lot,holding a car part in his hand, asked to stop by an officer of the law, jumped into truck to flee... WHY? Guilty of something! OR Grieving the loss of his mother? I'm wondering, if he was grieving the loss of his mother, was he inside or out of the truck. All the officer would have to do is ask if he was ok. Although an off duty officer would have never stopped in the first place. Nothing odd about a parked car. Think about it strange actions arouse suspicion, if he wasn't doing anything wrong why would he have sped off in the truck???????

Posted by: roger Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Several years ago, MPD stopped me on Capitol Ave. The officer came out of his car with his weapon drawn and demands to step back to his car with my hands up. Apparently, my car matched the description of one that had been in a "situation" on Fir Rd. Wrong Place Right Time I guess. He treated me very well and was never unproffessional. Once things were cleared up, he apologized for the misunderstanding and asked(with a chuckle)if I was relaxed enough to drive. A small price for me to pay to live in a somewhat civil world. I have great respect for policemen who have to process huge amounts of information to make split second decisions that could affect their lives and other's. If people were law abiding, policemen would not be put into position to decide to pull a trigger or restrain themselves. While we may never know exactly what happened in Osceola, I trust that those who have gone through police training and are wearing badges will do what is best for the ENTIRE community.

Posted by: Deb Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Many are passing judement and giving opinions to this tragedy. The officer involved is a kind and caring person who takes his thankless job very serious.Being the person he is I am sure he will have a difficult time with this day in his life forever. He had a job to do and he did it. My hope is that he will return to the job for the sake of all of us. We get up every day, go about our business and go to sleep without ever thinking of the men in blue still out there watching over us and prepared in a moments notice to give their life. Officers have to make split second decisions to save their life and others and for what to be ridiculed? I wish 12/13/03 that Cpl. Roberts and Ptm. Verkler had their weapons drawn and prepared for the worse scenario.Maybe just maybe they would be here today to enjoy all that was taken from them.How quickly some forget.

Posted by: Camp Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:57 AM
At some point, all that will be left in Michiana will be criminals. I'd bet 50% of the posts on this story are from people with a criminal record.

Posted by: Chester Location: plymouth on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Many people defending criminals are criminals themselves. That simple.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Oh D... you poor poor soul. How sad to be so uneducated. Can you read or hear? He jumped in his truck after the officer caught him in the act of stealing!!!! He ran 2 the truck. Then... pay attention.. he tried to drive away and the officer tried to stop it. Maybe you have cat like reflexes but most do not.

Posted by: Ed Location: SBI on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:37 AM
What a showcase for bias, meanness and stupidity these comments can be. For the deceased: just because you do bad things and make bad choices doesn't mean that you are a bad person, and I am sorry for the family's loss. On the converse, when you do bad thigs, you must expect to be treated as one who does so. I am taking as fact that he was cutting out the catalytic. There is no way the officer really thought that a guy who he is about to confront for something so petty is going to respond so irrationally. How many minor thefts are stopped every day without incident by citizens and police alike? Many. The guy compounded this bad decision by running, and a fleeing felon raises the stakes on himself. When the vehicle was used without regard for the safety of the officer who was partly in the vehicle, or even with intent to harm him, a deadly weapon was employed, further escalating the situation, the officer responded to that. Truly unfortunate, however, the best of a bad deal.

Posted by: what??? Location: plymouth on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Tom. Chad. Allison. You're idiots. Plain and simple.

Posted by: mike Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:47 AM
arrested 12 times. he finally got true justice.

Posted by: Thankful Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:31 AM
ATTN: Who Knows - Hatred? The hatred comes from victims who are tired of being victims. "Good Guy" Gene here is the same guy who tried to rob a bank through a drive thru teller a few years ago. This is the same guy who has countless break-ins on his record, robberies, assault, resisting arrest..and yes I knew him, so I can judge what type of person he was. He was a burden to society. You ask "But what about the family?" Why is this the responsibility of the community? Ask yourself "What about all the victims that Gene has left behind?", ask yourself "Shouldn't Gene have thought about his family before he entered a life of crime?" Michiana can breath a little easier now with this rabble removed from the honest, working persons back. Thank you to all officers who put their life on the line to make this world a better place for the honest people (who don't rely on crime to survive).

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Posted by: Larry Location: SB on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Did it ever occur to some of you Monday morning quarterbacks with absolutely no clue that the Officer did call for back-up. His back-up hadn't gotten there before the BAD GUY made his CHOICE to flee. The BAD GUY dragged the Officer with his vehicle and the Officer, fearing for his life (who wouldn't), did the only thing he could to go home to his family. Unfortunately the BAD GUY could have made a decision to go home to his family by stopping but he didn't.

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Posted by: Mike Location: Bristol on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:24 AM
Sure are a lot of armchair quarterbacks out there. Hind sight is always 20/20, it's easy to look at something after the fact and say "he should've done this..." I am glad the officer is okay and not physically harmed. Police have a tough job these days and I for one would like to thank this officer and tell him "Well Done!"

Posted by: Nick Location: Niles on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:57 AM
I am also tired of seeing all the comments about how we shouldn't judge, we should let God judge them. Well when I see God down here getting criminals off the streets, then I'll stop judging. Until then I'll let man's law's take care of the criminals. It's why we have courts and Jury's.

Posted by: Rick Location: Mishatucky on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I am almost embarrassed to say I live here. I cannot get over the amount of morons that have computers and make attempts to comment. My God people, wake up. A police officer was doing his job, which is Law Enforcement. I commend the man for doing what we pay him to do. I am sorry he was hurt in this incident. As to the criminal, which is what he was, good riddance.

Posted by: D Location: Michigan on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Does anyone else find this story a little odd? Just by reading what is here, I am not jumping to any conclusions, because I dont know all of the details. It states that he was vandalizing a vehicle, but if that was the case then why does the news article state that he was in his truck. How did the officer get into the truck, and why did he shoot? Most of all why did he not call for help? Was there any eyewitnesses to this incident before the truck crashed? Did anyone see him in the act of stealing before the officer? Is it possible that the van had been tampered with before this night, because it seemed to be an on going problem at this dealership.

Posted by: wangen on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:51 AM
attention "who knows"... "the officer should have called for help" ??? really! is that your professional opinion. were u there. don't monday morning quarter back what the officer should have done. These things escalate in seconds. SECONDS. and the suspect was literally in the driver's seat. he chose the outcome. Also, he wasn't backed into a corner, he backed himself and the officer into a corner.

Posted by: Citizen Mongo Location: Osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Gene had a criminal past...and present. He was scum with a proper ending. Ironic he crashed into a tattoo parlor. Home invasions, robbery and just general stupidity. $90 piece of metal or not...get the point, he was stealing, he tried to run from a cop. Prime example of his stupidity at work...you run from a cop you face the consequences. For you hillbillies that sympathize with this criminal. I will stay away from the 4 syllable words. He paid the price. Thank you Mishawaka Police for taking one more criminal off the street!

Posted by: Nick Location: Niles on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:46 AM
I don't care if he was your family member or not, he could of killed the cop by dragging him while trying to run. HE had been convicted of crimes 12 times in ten years, YOU may think he was a "good" person, but he had no place in society(should of been locked up). It wasn't a one time mistake, it was a history of crime. Why would you think anyone would feel sorry for you? I'm tired of reading how it's not peoples fault, they are just grieving, bad childhood, bad economic times, blah blah blah. Don't break the law, don't run from the cops and you won't get shot. Yes there are some bad cops, but for the most part they do a great job and I'd be glad to have any of them stop to help me. All you bleeding heart liberals are why this country has so much crime, you just want everyone to talk and get along, well life isn't like that. The reality is that some people are just bad, bad things do happen to good people and you can't help everyone.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Should the officer have called for help while he was being dragged by the truck or..? It is easy to pass judgement when you are not the one in the situation. Money is so besides the point. It is irrelevant to what happened. A bystander should have called for help but not an officer whos job is to enforce laws.

Posted by: Me Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:06 AM
It makes me SICK of the IDIOTS that blame the police for CRIMINIALS that make the choices of their actions...It is sad police risk their lives everyday to protect the clowns who put them down!GOOD JOB OFFICER!!!!!!

Posted by: Shoppy Location: Osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:04 AM
What bleeding heart Judge let this thief back out on the street repeatedly? He is as responsible for this tragedy as anyone. Good news story to show the crime and punishment and the judges who let it continue

Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:28 AM
I feel sorry for the officer and am glad he wasn't injured too badly, he could have been. The criminal took the chance and made the decision when he decided to break the law and resist law enforcment and endanger the life of an officer.

Posted by: susan Location: osceola on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:11 AM
This could be the THIEF that tore the electric meter off my home & cut the phone line in 3 places to disable my home security system 7 days ago ,in OSCEOLA ,to rob me of many unreplaceable valuables JUSTICE IS SERVED!!

Posted by: Elkhart Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:06 AM
I dont think stealing something is cause for anyone, cop or regular Joe, to jump into a moving vehicle and try to stop it. And whats this about letting Mishawaka cops take their cruisers home? Here in Elkhart, I regularly watch a detective in an unmarked fly down 33 way way over the speed limit. Could being late for their shift be a reason to have theyre city car taken away?

Posted by: Dan Location: Mish on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:56 AM
Who is to say that if he was not shot that while trying to drive away that he might have killed someone while fleeing. If he was that scared and wanted to get away, he was not going to worry about who he might have hit and killed with his truck. Then most of you would has said why didn't the officer shoot him to prevent this. Put it this way, the officer was in a position that he had to do what he had to do. It's time that the theives realize that if you go onto someones property to still then face the fact that you could get hurt if not shot.

Posted by: Proud SBPD on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:29 AM
Folks, I understand that he did call for help. The idea is to keep him from becoming mobile and then a pursuit could start. This punk caused his own death by dragging and officer and resisting a lawful order by the officer.

Posted by: here Location: in s.bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:17 AM
the OFF duty officer should be tried for murder. he willingly jumped into the moving truck then says he feared for his life? come on over a $90 car part this man lost his life because someone wanted to be SUPERCOP. WHY not call for back up or follow him or get his truck plate and modle and call it in. But hey insted lets play SUPERCOP and kill a scrapper and not do ANYTHING to the drugdealers and people that do bad things to little kids. But the county prosecuter will hail SUPERCOP as a hero and justify the murder. The scrapper was wrong but did not deserve to have been shot.

Posted by: amy Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26 AM
As I sit here and read these comments, I now know why the world is such a mess. Everyone keeps saying the officer was off duty. He has a job as a professional whom takes a oath to serve and protect. Do you think a fireman who was walking by your burning house, would let you burn to death inside because he was off duty? Do you think a paramedic or a nurse would let your loved one lay and die if thye saw a incident that was life threatning because they where off duty? The officer was doing his job, he took an oath to serve and protect. He saw a crime happening and he stopped, if he had not stopped you all would be saying what a lousy cop he was, what is he getting paid for. This cop is a true hero, he did not just drive by a crime and go home to his family, even though he was "off - duty" he continued working and protecting us from crime. I am sure your tune would change if you needed him or any other emegency personnel in a crisis that involved you. My thanks go out to the cop.

Posted by: Bill Location: Elkhart on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:33 AM
Big C you are an idiot

Posted by: cory Location: south bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM
To all of those who are bashing the police remeber that they are there for you. So if someone breaks into your car or house, you might need them. They have a job that many people dont want. You dont know what your day will be on duty or off. And for those of you who claim he was a good guy and changed, then why did he drive off with the cop dragging from his truck? That sounds like a great caring guy. A model of a great man. If an officer tells you to stop just obay. If you have done nothing wrong your on your way in a few min, but if you have done something wrong well.... Just try to be a cop for a day, take a ride along with one for a day. See the good that they do everyday.

Posted by: conrad Location: South bend on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:47 AM
So by what I have read its ok to drag a police officer down the street. He was stealing a cataletic converter got caught, then tryed to run. Durring the running from the officer he used excessive force on the officer, so the officer did the only thing he could. I feel sorry for the familys loss, but all he had to do is STOP!!! I have many good friends that are police officers that have helped many people while they were off duty. I have had a scrapper steal my cataletic converter off my car, and let me tell you it was alot more than $90. It was to the tune of $500. I am sorry someone died and his family is morning another death, my prayers go out to his family and the family onf the officer.

Posted by: Leasons learned. Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Don't steal. Don't flee from police while committing a felony. Don't try and kill a police officer with your vehicle. Yeah the part is worth 90 dollars, but that is something that guy should have thought of. that officer did his duty. He swore to protect life and property.

Posted by: Who Knows Location: OC on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Doesn't anyone get it? There are two sides to every story. NOT condoning or condemning. Could have he been there mourning for his brother since his mother has just died. He had turned his life in a positive direction. Until I see facts that prove he was doing wrong, please don't judge. He worked and he worked hard. I am proud of our officer for the most part. Many a time when they are needed they can't do anything. There are not enough to deal with what is at hand. That doesn't mean you don't call for backup... he was alone... one thing you learn first is to not go into a situation alone. He had the knowledge to make the ending differant that it was. Now the family grieves twice this week and all you have to do is slander. Like most of you don't have secrets in you family. All this forum is about is seeing how could it have been better. Both side... LEARN, PLEASE, STOP THE HATE. We are killing each other. God Bless us all before it is too late!

Posted by: Who Knows Location: OC on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I cannot believe all of this hatred. I agree with Anoymous. Sure he made bad choices, but the officer should have called for help. That help could have made the difference in someone dying over a $90 piece of metal. Some of you refer to him as scum... Good or bad, dead or alive, common... what do you think this makes the family feel. This officer had the means to make it better and not force it to the point of disaster. I am sure this is hard for him to and that he questions what if? Criminal or not we cannot judge, but we can learn and see how things could have been done differenlty... Also it's unfortunate that yes perhaps car lots in gereral need to get camera's. This recession will only get worse and people, we need to forget the hate and try to find a means to an answer. We are killing our earth and our fellow brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Who Knows Location: OC on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Sure he had crimes in his past. What he did is wrong I'll admit. He is a relative and I will miss him. Everyone has great points. The details are not released. Given the distance, how could this impact caused so much damage? I am thankful the officer is ok and am happy for his family. I do not condone his actions of stealing, but "PROACTIVE" is word of choice. I feel ID'ing, plate # and information on the company truck would have been enough information to get the "bad guy" as you say. He didn't have a gun and or knife. Backing anyone in a corner will add to the stress of the situation. With that info, this man wouldn't have died over a piece of metal. Times are really hard and things will get worse. I work and am law abiding. Since things will get worse b4 they get better, then does that mean everyone needs to be killed, over stealing? I hope something is learned by all.

Posted by: anonomous Location: elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:04 PM
tell me, why did it take 5 different stories and approxamately 15 hours to say there is a video? also why didn't he just call for back up before approaching the vehicle? and how can a person grab for keys and a shifter and be drug and shoot someone in the chest? i'm not the most intelligent person in the world, but it seems the more that is told and changed, the more questions i have!!!i hope if there are any witnesses they come forward and be HONEST!!!! good or bad. let the man leave here with some dignity. i had a brother in 93 who had a crimminal past and when he came up missing and murdered the only thing plastered in the media was the bad stuff!!! they didn't print or report that he had turned states evidence and was helping law enforcement!!! he turned his life around so why is it so hard to beleive this man couldn't? but the bad stuff is what sells. i will continue to pray and hope the truth comes out!!! i will also imagine his face when he seen and touched the face of god.

Posted by: Big C Location: Here on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:57 PM
Yeah right! Maybe he was fixing the cars's catalytic converter. Maybe the other 12 times he got arrested in a 10 year time period he was doing good deeds like returning peoples stuff that other people stole. Yeah right! How come everytime some moron gets caught doing somthing bad like stealing or beating people theres so many people out there to say what a wonderful member of society they were. Dont want police to shoot you then dont steal dont try dragging them down the road with your vehicle dont rob banks dont pull knives on them ect ect ect. His record speaks for itself! Good job officer

Posted by: Bugaboo Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Regardless of whether this shooting was justified or not, many of the inane comments posted herein give little credence to the concept of a CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD. It is quite apparent that some people have no concept of substantive law and couldn't identify a lethal situation if their life (or someone else's) depended on it.

Posted by: just me Location: elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:50 PM
to the person saying gene was facing alot of time is so full of it! this whole thing from leaving his house at almost 11 and this happening at 11:07 leaves 17 min. further more the story has changed 5 times!!! tell me if you had 2 incomes a savings and just received a bonus check hours before this happened would you risk going to jail knowing you were preparing to bury your mother? yeah he made mistakes but his record has been clean for over 3 years! does this make him unacceptible to society? People can and do change! he was at the location his brother died at in 86. so do you think it may be possible he went there to greive for him and his mom? i wonder how many people here have a son, daughter, cousin, or any other family member who has at one time or another got into trouble and changed their lives. by the way gene was too big to lay under a vehicle. only god can judge so i really feel sorry for all of you. by the way my son is a cop so i'm not predjudiced.He is also suspicious.

Posted by: J on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:26 PM
For the family, I am sorry for your loss. If he was just sitting in rememberance and mourning,then there was no reason to run when the officer stopped. He could of looked around and saw he wasn't stealing anything and asked him to leave. If you run it looks as though you are guilty. The officer had to do what he had to do.

Posted by: Mike Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:59 PM
All of these comments about the police taking the streets back is hogwash. They lost the streets years ago. Does 5 shootings last weekend sound like they took anything back? Remember the 3 cops form South Bend that were charged in federal court last year?? Police are liars and will do anything to convict someone even if they know you are not guilty. Most of them are as crooked as the crooks.

Posted by: AS Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:37 PM
Tom and Sheila you are both morons. Please don't write anymore ignorant statements. I am truly sorry that you are both so physically and mentally weak. Next time keep your comments that make no sense to yourself. I am just glad for once the good guys won and the officer was not seriously injured for doing his job. Excellent job to all the surrounding agencies in the past few months. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Marcia Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:35 PM
The police officer involved is one of the most decent, kind, admirable human beings that I know. Our community should be thankful that we are blessed with such an outstanding person to serve on the Mishawaka Police Department. Please keep him and his family in your prayers.

Posted by: Stoner Location: S Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:21 PM
The cataylitic convertor he was cutting from the car was in memory of his loved ones. He was on the straight and narrow since he was with his fiance and hadn't been caught lately to prove it.

Posted by: Walkerton on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:04 PM
It sounds simple to me. You don't have to worry about being shot if you do not break the law, don't assult a policeman, don't steal, and don't use deadly force or a weapon on a policeman. Obey the law and you don't have anything to worry about. Poor choices (or a string of poor choices) result in a poor outcome. Take responsibility for your actions and don't blame others. Nobody made him steal or drag a cop, that was his choice. He did not care if he hurt or killed the cop. Now people say the cop should not have killed him. DOUBLE STANDARDS. OK for Eugene but not for the cop? I don't think so. Bottom line is obey the law. Years ago my mom told me "if you play with fire expect to get burnt."

Posted by: H on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:01 PM
This story does not make a whole lot of sense to me. How was the officer dragged if he was IN the vehicle with the suspect when he tried to flee? Did the suspect know it was an actual police officer when he took off? Why was the suspect able to drive off if the officer shot him in the chest while he was being dragged? If Eugene were trying to steal, I think the officer had every right to pursue him but I feel funny about some of the details of this story. If I were at a car lot after hours and was approached by a man in plain clothes stating he was a police officer, I would certainly leave as quickly as possible because you just never know (especially if he was not driving a squad car). Do not get me wrong, I am all for giving criminals the punishment they deserve, but I think this story needs more investigation.

Posted by: Honestly Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Shiela and Allison- he most certainly WAS there to steal and NOT there to reflect on life and the recent loss of his loved ones. If he was, he was doing it while holding his sawzall cutting away at the catalytic converter of the cars in the lot. The same sawzall he threw into the bed of his pickup truck before trying to elude the approaching officer ordering him to stop. At least now he won't have to "reflect" on his lost loved ones anymore while thieving from those of us that try to work and make an honest living- he can speak to them directly. He chose the actions that resulted in the domino effect that ended his life. Life sucks- wear a helmet.

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Thank you Allison. That was the missing piece to the whole thing. I couldn't figure out why someone would run in this situation but now it's clear. He was grieving and had a hstory of run-ins with the law. Cooler heads didn't prevail. I hope some of the large group of anonymous posters feel a bit of remorse for posting such hatred for another human being under these circumstances. It's also quite shocking to read a set of replies where one side is trying to find answers to how something can escalate to this and a group of no-names tell them to shut up and that the officer is a hero without hearing half of the details. What a ridiculous attitude to have in America. And no to one of you, I don't have any criminal past. The only experience I've had with officers is working in a gas station in college and having several come in, take coffe and other things, nod without saying a word and leave. Try to have a conversation and they treat you like a nuisance. No hard feelings though. God Bless

Posted by: Jon Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:42 PM
MUCH respect and thanks goes to this officer for what he did. He could have chosen not to do anything and just said "hey im off duty, oh well." but he did the right thing. thank you officer!

Posted by: Shoppy Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:15 PM
I am amazed at all the do gooders critizing the cop for doing his job. I guess you have to be a victum before you can under stand. Like last weeks shooting the guy with the knife .They should have reloaded and put in another 16 rounds as far as Im concerned. Good job for all the dedicated policeman!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jim Location: Mish on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:14 PM
He was arrested 12 times from 1995 to 2005. You got to be kidding me. Quit defending this loser, and support the police.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Goshen on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:13 PM
I would like to hear more details. Believe me, I am not supporting the man who tried to steal. But...why would a police officer put himself in this situation for an $80 catalytic converter? Maybe that's what they're trained to do, I don't know, just asking the question. It just seems to me it would have been better to shoot the tires out if the guy wanted to flee rather than try and get in the car with him.

Posted by: Amanda Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:09 PM
Do finish up my comment. I want to say thank you to everyone who has said they wouldn't jump to a conclusion until they have all the info. Thank you also to everyone who has sent your prayers and love for the family. And Allison I loved what you wrote. It was the most beautiful thing you have written. Also if some of my sentences don't make sense, it was because I was crying trying to write these comments.

Posted by: Amanda Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:05 PM
Gene is my mother in laws cousin. I know this man is a wonderful man. Yes he has made mistakes in his past, but who who all of you that have written on here haven't? What gives all of you the right to say he is a criminal? Where any of you there? Do you know what happened? No you all believe what the stupid media tells you. They only tell you the negative because they know that is what keeps people watching? If the officer was off-duty why didn't he call an officer who was on duty? All of you people that just jumped to the face that oh he was just a criminal who got what he deserved make me SICK! Don't you people think about his family, his children, his girlfriend! What if it was your family member! Would you want people writing horrible things about your family member? Reading some of your comments brought me to tears. Just think about how his immediate family feels. The media is dragging his name threw the mud and and not even letting him have peace at his death.

Posted by: Michelle Location: Walkerton on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Anonymous @ 10:58 AM...the suspect did have a weapon...it was his CAR!!!

Posted by: Confused on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Why didn't he just call for backup?? Especially since he was off duty. I mean, I'm glad that he got the guy and took action but at the same time if you're off duty, why not call someone that is on duty??

Posted by: someone on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:42 PM
MY heart is with the FAMILY!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Come on people,Does anyone have a heart? or God in their heart? I Know the Good Lord Is in me,Why do all of you make judments on a man that may or may not have been doing wrong,I thought God was to Judge him,NOT all You veiwers!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: amber Location: south bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:29 PM
well first of all, why would an off duty officer even approach something that looked fishy..he should of called for back up or an officer that was on duty..then how can u say one story then switch it to look better on his side because he is an officer of the law and everyone is going to believe him..we will never know eugene's side of the story...cops can say whatever they want to cover their butts.. in fact he did lose his mother and he was not dealing with it very well..and i dont understand is if he was stealing it then why does it look like its still attached to the vehicle..eugene is not a bad person and he does not need to steal from some stupid carlot...He did not need to die because an officer made a bad choice of not calling for back up..I am a close friend of the family and if you dont have anything nice to say then dont post a comment until you know the man and know the facts....

Posted by: Sam Location: In Michigan on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Mike, you exactly right on target with your statement. Life IS all about the choices you make. You can choose to do good, OR, you can do the bad things. It was a poor choice this criminal made. Too bad he made too many mistakes in a row that cost him his life. My prayers are with the family and the police officer involved.

Posted by: Laurie Location: Niles on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:19 PM
Anonymous 4:40...The media, i.e. WNDU, is only telling the facts that it is being told. The PD is the one that hasn't released the officer's name. The PD is not helping calm or explaining things by giving everyone sketchy details.

Posted by: SB Tax Payer Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:08 PM
If anyone of you LIBERALS don't think that it was justified let me drag you or a loved one down the block with my car. Remember, since it's not deadly force situation (vehicle not a 2000 pound weapon that can kill you in seconds) & not considered a fleeing felon you can only charge me with a A-Misdemeanor max 1 year in jail. PS: I will also give you a Weapon of choice, but you can not shoot me as I drag your love one down the road.

Posted by: K Brewer Location: Lapaz, IN on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Arrested 12 times in TEN years? It sounds like it was only a matter of time for Mr. Nusbaum. It's sad, but that's what happens when you choose to live a life of crime. I'm glad that the officer is okay, and my heart goes out to the family of Mr. Nusbaum. I hope that his death can be used an example for others who choose this path. AND thank you to the Officer who got this scum off of the streets.

Posted by: JOHN Location: NILES on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:03 PM
One for the good guy's!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Arrested 12 times....come on people. Need we say more. It is makes me sick that we have to walk the streets with people that have been arrested 12 times! Guess now we don't have to worry why our justice system can't people locked up or for doing bad things. Makes me sick!

Posted by: Proud SBPD on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Joe, he didn't die because he was stealing, he died because the tried to drag a cop and that is deadly force! Allison, I am sorry that he made the poor decision that is now causing those left behind great pain. There is NO excuse for dragging an officer!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:51 PM
To Sick of It: My appologies. Thank you for reminding me that all our police officers are a family. It does me good to know it. I regreted my post as soon as I pushed send but it was too late to take it back. I'll think more in the future. Again, thank you.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Wow you can post a picture of the guy and his name, but they are withholding the cops name.

Posted by: Linda Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:38 PM
The officer did his job and his duty. Even so, I am sure the outcome has weighed heavy on him and his family. Mr. Nussbaum made a series of poor decisions resulting in his death. His death should not be celebrated as if he had no value. I don't know him or his family but obviously he has family and friends who love him and are grieving their loss. Please show mercy and watch your words, they (his family) do not deserve to have you add to their pain and loss.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Tim, the guy tried to drive away DRAGGING the officer with him. Uh, sounds pretty life threatening to the officer to me. This officer will never be the same. But I pray that he knows he had no choice and that the good people of our community are completely behind him and his actions.

Posted by: Dash Location: s. bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Shoot 'em up, ask questions later!! Good. The police need to become more pro-active. One crook that won't be housed on my tax payers dime and less a chance he'll be up to no good in the future!! Glad the cop is OK! Glad the crook is dead!

Posted by: Don Location: indiana on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:20 PM
to the comments that he died because he was stealing that is wrong. He died because he was dragging a person with his car. Get it straight.

Posted by: shiela Location: home on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:18 PM
so because aman has past means its ok to shoot him? NOT you veiwers need to find out real story but of coarse the police are only gonna release what they want!!! maybe he was parked there for a while because his brother was kiied bya train right there,and lost his mother friday,and he was mourning his loss, but any more if you have past of mistakes you are labed!! ok i would like to know why nothing was done when i was robbed a knife point.knife to my neck for a few bucks,and police to this day did nothing. So no i have NO FAITH IN THEM!! so No it's shoot first ,try get questions later. HE's NO hero in my eyes!!!

Posted by: Tom on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Just a thought. If you let go of the truck then instead of pulling your gun, how about writing down the plate number, and arresting the guy latter, that way you get to go home and nobody dies. This is a over reaction by a untrained police officer. You don't shoot someone for running away. Just my opinion, with the facts we know, if he being draged hows he get his gun out and why wasn't he still with the truck when it crashed.

Posted by: Bill Location: Warsaw on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:58 PM
To Mary, sorry about your luck read Anonymous at 11:50. To Anonymous at 11:50 sorry, however, as a police officer when you unwind and have to much to drink (if you drink anything) you better be off duty and NOT throw your badge at anyone at that time. To LOL at 1:48 AMEN. To Chad at 1:15 you are an absolute idiot. And to Joe at 2:59 the criminal was just stealing a converter, how about stop and deal with the consequences that HE (criminal) brought on. Some of you folks need to get off the "kick the law enforcement community" and give a little support, you MAY be shocked of the outcome that you get from them.

Posted by: chad Location: elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:50 PM
excuse me as i try to inject some sanity into this discussion. now folks, when somebody runs from a cop, it's an A misdemeanor. the most you can get is one year. now in a vehicle i'm sure they add reckless driving and everything else into the equation, but it's still just running away. if some cop grabs hold of some guys car door who is attempting to escape, then it's not fair to say that the man was trying to harm the cop, he was just trying to get away. so when a cop shoots a man repeatedly with a gun in the chest or where ever who is attempting to escape from a crime that at worst is a D felony, then the cop just executed a man who at worst was facing a few years in jail. no jury, no trial, no lawyer, he's dead. if some criminal steals something out of my car, i don't want him to die for it. that is insane, that is merciless. ill take an apology. and maybe some community service. the cop who chose to end this mans life is a murderer. period.

Posted by: Allison Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:45 PM
And to add to my last comment, my brother is a cop and he is even questioning how the other officer handled the situation.Why didnt he use a tazor or pepper spray OR the real reasonable action that would be known as common sense to call for back up.Especially if he was off duty it is supposed to be radioed for back up.And why did the witness say the cop was not at the scene at the time of the accident? Where was he then.There was no weapons so why excessive force.Remember our countries motto.INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. The cops first report was that there was a conflict between the two NOT an altercation.Conflict to me means words exchanged.So again...why excessive force? I think the triggers are a little too "slippery" these days.Again..lets try to get the facts straight before placing a judgement on anyone. To the person about the photo..yes it was at the jail for I believe DUI..but it was YEARS ago.Again.he cleaned up his life and was only trying to prepare to bury his mother.

Posted by: AnneMarie Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:43 PM
"I'm not judging somebody for getting desperate in this economy and resorting to being a criminal." Joe, I WILL judge someone for resorting to being a criminal (that is why they call us to jury duty, after all). It's AGAINST THE LAW and if you break the law, you should be punished for it. Now, I'm not saying this criminal deserved to die for cutting catalytic converters out of cars...that would be awfully extreme. However, he CHOSE to commit a crime and then he CHOSE to endanger someone else's (a police officer, no less) life. What exactly excuses that sort of behavior? The crappy economy? I'm struggling to pay my bills, too, but I'm not about to resort to a life of crime to dig myself out of the hole I may be in. I'm just really tired of people blaming those trying to uphold the law for the stupid things criminals do.

Posted by: mike Location: south bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:31 PM
where is the outrage for this man. I totally forgot it has to be someone of color or just someone with a foreign name typically Spanish committing a crime in order for people to feel outraged even tough their are over 45 million Hispanics in the us more than the population of Canada 33 million. I can see it now the guy was just misunderstood well i think he is a thug arrested 12 times. I forgot again thug is used as a substitute word for the n word nobody uses it for non color people.

Posted by: MARIE Location: MISH on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:27 PM
TO JOE IN GOSHEN WHAT ARE YOU STUPID? NONE OF YOUR COMMENTS MAKE ANY SENSE SO KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF!!!!!!

Posted by: Allison Location: Elkhart,IN on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:26 PM
This is my mothers cousin and this is full of nonsense.He was not robbing anyone nor anything.We believe he was sitting in remembrance of his mother who had just died 2 nights prior and his brother years earlier who had died in that very spot.He was not the man to be stealing and walked the straight and narrow after he met his fiance.He was in the process of planning his mothers funeral and having a hard time.He did not leave his house until almost 11pm.So please wait and get the FACTS before you all make judgements on a loved family member.He was a beautiful man and anyone who knew him loved him.He's not this bad person the media is making him out to be.He made mistakes when he was younger but much like the rest of us he had grown up and straightened out. Please just give him the benefit of the doubt.It could happen to one of your loved ones and Im sure you wouldnt appreciate the story being blown out of proportion. He was a son,father,and grandfather.Who meant a lot to all of us.

Posted by: Tim Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:21 PM
No way the officer's life was in danger the fact the victim was able to drive away after being shot proves that. This is un justified, killing a man for stealing a muffler, come on people, Cops are people too and they make mistakes, this one made a big one, If he doesn't get fired I hope he quits because of the "Stress" of shooting a unharm man who only crime was not stoping when order too.

Posted by: jeff Location: South bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:18 PM
I think the officer should go for a walk on the WEST side of south bend and start weeding out the trouble one bullet at a time!!! BRAVO! We need more of that!

Posted by: Anno Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Nusbaum is a criminal. He was on that lot stealing parts from cars to scrap. Instead of surrendering he endangered the officers life. Could it be this person, who WNDU, reports has been arrested several times in the last 10 years was looking at a lot of time due to him being a habitual criminal. Quite blaming the Police. This man chose his own destiny and it cost him his life. I am sorry for the loss of life, but I am glad the Police Officer was ok. To the idiot that is going to keep his hands on his head, that might be a good idea. Im guessing you have been on the other side of the law more than once in your life. GOOD JOB MPD OFFICER!!! and In glad you are ok.

Posted by: anonymous Location: mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:10 PM
Regardless of the outcome. Those opposed to the officers actions need to ask themselves this question-would they want the office to stop if they owned the car lot? AND they need to remember that everyone has their own opinion. Those in favor of the officers actions need to remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinions just as they are. How do I feel about this? I think we should all wait for the details before we cast blame one way or another

Posted by: Officer Onicer on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:06 PM
NED said:"Boy the cops seem to be very quick to draw and shoot lately...HHMMMM" --------- Good. BTW, folks, when someone gets on here and says something provocative about the cops, they're just doing it to get a laugh when you react emotionally to it. If you're new to the internet and don't know, it's called "trolling". Just ignore it.

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Okay. I typed my first response early this morning when there was no other details other than one dead and the general location. After checking back later in the day and seeing how the incident unfolded I would side more with the officer. I've shopped at car lots after hours myself. I can't stand looking for six seconds before nine vultures descend on me to start picking my pockets for commissions. Add that in with having a bady day or some other circumstances and you can see how this might not be a case of good vs. bad. And for all the nameless folks who trust these cops without question and want to criticize others for using their brain - well let's see how you do if something like this happens to a nephew or brother. It's easy to throw stones but I'm not judging somebody for getting desperate in this economy and resorting to being a criminal. They certainly don't deserve to die for it. In my opinion at least. The police in Michiana seem to feel otherwise lately. God bless.

Posted by: Sandi Location: Granger on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:31 PM
To Sam of Elkhart; He may have been a nice guy and no,I don't know the whole story, but I know you don't go into a car lot at 11:00 at night. And I do believe the picture of him is a mug shot. So it's obvious he's been in trouble with the law before. And I am sorry for your loss.

Posted by: wangen on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM
original post: Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM Interesting how based on 5 sentences one would judge a man's life and pronounce him a criminal. I think it an insult to this man's life and his family. Jumping to these conclusions is shameful. If you care so much that you will leave such an ignorant comment then you ought to care enough to find out the truth. May we all think before we act. GEE, ISN'T THE PICTURE OF THE GUY A BOOKING PHOTO FROM THE COUNTY JAIL?

Posted by: AnneMarie Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM
So once again there are people out there trying to blame this on a police officer. The suspect in question was not only hanging around a closed car lot at 11pm on Monday night. I have, in the past, stopped at a car dealership when they are closed (better to avoid salespeople when I just want to look). However, I don't think I'd take off if a police officer stopped to ask me what I was doing. If they guy was doing nothing wrong, then he had no reason to flee the scene, dragging the officer with him. (That part isn't related in this account of the story, but you can find it elsewhere.) It's sad that police officers are stuck in this sort of catch-22 situation....can't do what needs to be done to catch the bad guys, yet get blamed when things go wrong. If these criminals would just not be committing the crimes, they wouldn't be putting themselves in situations where this type of thing could happen. Had this officer not taken the actions he did, he could very well be the one who died.

Posted by: To Those Location: Blaming Cops on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:02 PM
How many officers have died to protect YOUR BUTTS because they took the "cautious" approach. I rather see the news about an officer having to shoot someone because that officers life was in danger rather then an officer getting killed.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:00 PM
svae tax payers some $ lets all buy our policemen more bullets. Then we would have less criminals in our courts and in our jails. But you had better hope this officer was justified in shooting him. Because if not its gonna be a lenching

Posted by: a mom Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:59 PM
To: Annon @11:14, Ned@12:41 & Chad @1:15 and anyone else who thinks it's ok to disregard a police officers instructions. True we don't have all the facts, but if the guy was out for a walk or car shopping I don't think any officer would shoot him for no reason. He had to have given him cause or he never would have stopped in the first place. I agree, there needs to be more information. THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR FINE POLICE OFFICERS FOR PROTECTING US.

Posted by: Mary Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Any one on here bashing the officer and his actions should be ashamed of yourselves. Nussbaum tried to kill the officer by dragging him with his truck. The officer told him to stop, and tried to question him. Nussbaum chose to run, and tried to kill the officer in the process. The officer did what he had to do. I know shooting Nussbaum was not his first choice, and only did so as a last resort. While it is sad anyone had to die last night, I thank God it was not the officer.

Posted by: BC on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:55 PM
The same people that complain about the police are the first to call them when their property, lives or loved ones are threatened. Thanks to all those in law enforcement who put their lives on the line EVERY day to protect us all.

Posted by: LOL! on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Well, now that all of the idiots are done typing I will inject some common sense. When a police officer yells at someone to stop, they are to do so. Then after the CRIMINAL tries to get away in his truck and in doing so tries to drag down the officer (who is caught in the door) with his truck, the officer who realizes that this criminal is about to kill him, The officer drew his weapon and fired to stop the threat to his life. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT HIMSELF. Good job Mishawaka PD. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Laurie Location: Alderman on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:47 PM
The police department isn't helping with withholding so many details. How hard is it to say whether the guy was shot or not? Whether the guy had a weapon? No wonder people are jumping to conclusions. And when I looked at the news at 5 a.m. the body was still at the scene. That seems weird also--couldn't they have just taken photos and removed the body--over 5 hours there seems strange too. Too many questions go unanswered.

Posted by: Sam Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:18 PM
Don't Pre-Judge! I am related to the man and I would just like people to hear the whole story before they think the other man is a bad guy. I am not defending him, because the family doesn't even know what happened. I just hope that people do not think of him as a criminal now that he is gone. He was a very nice, loveable guy that I know our family will miss dearly!

Posted by: chad Location: elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:15 PM
i agree, northern indiana is getting as bad as detroit when it comes to violent criminals. unfortunately all the violent criminals happen to be cops. how many shootings does it take officers? maybe you should change your motto from "protect and serve" to, "you break the law, and we will shoot you down like a dog!" i think for now on when any of us civilians see a cop, we should stand at attention and scream out, "SIR YES SIR!" and then we should snap off our best salute. oh wait on second thought, if we salute they might think that their lives are in danger and shoot us, and then they'd produce a set of car keys as proof that we had bad intentions.

Posted by: Leon Less Location: BH on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I think that the police should be able to shoot people that are robbing a place. You should not rob places at night.

Posted by: Ned Location: So.Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Boy the cops seem to be very quick to draw and shoot lately...HHMMMM

Posted by: Mary on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Bill, how about telling the cop who was in his car that he wasn't off duty when he told me he was?????

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Sounds like Joe has already formed a opinion regardless of what he says. Way to wait for the details and then make an informed decision....lol.

Posted by: Debbie Location: SBN on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM
This policeman as well as any police officer wether on or off duty., whether a So. bend police officer. Mishawaka, Elkhart., State., or county...hats off to you all. These are terrible times....I think you should be getting hazardous pay as well. THANK YOU ALL...........

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Bill, correction. A police officer is never off duty.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM
iron butterfly is the tattoo parlor?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Interesting how based on 5 sentences one would judge a man's life and pronounce him a criminal. I think it an insult to this man's life and his family. Jumping to these conclusions is shameful. If you care so much that you will leave such an ignorant comment then you ought to care enough to find out the truth. May we all think before we act.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Well, I am sure everyone will think the deceased was a horrible person, but in fact he had a family and children. What happenned was wrong, the victim was in the wrong, but there is a whole lot more to the story than what has been written and why the officer felt he had to unload countless bullets will need to be addressed as the deceased had no weapon...

Posted by: Resident Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Northern Indiana is getting as bad as Detroit for violent crime. I am glad the police officer did his duty and removed this punk from the earth. If suspect was caught he would be out of jail to commit more crimes. Good job officer.

Posted by: Mary Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Thank God the officer wasn't seriously injured. They willingly risk their lives for us every day, and I an grateful for them and proud of them.

Posted by: Rob Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM
As someone who used to work a job with non normal hours I used to go car browsing late at night and was often stopped by police or the lot security guard. I would just tell them what was up and they would either ask me to leave which I did or after getting my name would go on about their business. Until we hear some more facts I'm going to have to side with the police on this one.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Which Tattoo place did he crash into?

Posted by: Bill Location: Elkhart on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Most people do not realize that as a police officer you are expected to be all things to all people. The suspicious activity at the car lot may have been a thief in the night. How would the property owner feel if the off-duty officer observed the suspicious activity and kept driving? There would be an outrage about officers not willing to protect and serve the community. I commend this officer for seeing a problem and stopping. By having the willingness to confront unknown danger to protect someone else's property is a noble act most are not willing to bear. In a selfish world these few men and women in blue are the only defense against those who wish to deprive everyday people of those things they strive so hard to have. My heart and prayers go out to the officer, his family, and the department who will stand behind their officer. To the deceased suspect, I am sure we will find a long history of criminal activity and the officer acted accordingly.

Posted by: Concerned Location: for society on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I too will be curious about the details of the situation that took place prior to the collision. Joe, do you usually do your car shopping at 11:00pm? Hmmm, a little suspicious. It appears Joe that you have already made up your mind about the police. At least you will be easily spotted with your hands on your head. Joe you have no clue what an officer goes through from day to day and the people he or she comes in contact with. The officer and the family of the male subject will be left to think about this for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Roxanne Location: South Bend on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM
To the lady whose boyfriend witnessed the crash. Her comment (although she had the right) was way off. When a cop is involved, the rest come help. If someone in HER family was in an incident, I'm sure all of her family would show up en masse. As it was only 21 cruisers, I'm sure a few stayed out there protecting the fair city. If the incident had happened in HER yard, you can bet she'd scream if 21 cars didn't show up to help her. Thank you Mishawaka Police, same to the SB Police who do their best to keep us safe.

Posted by: Captain Caveman Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:22 AM
What the heck was someone doing at a car lot @ 11PM? My condolences to the famliy of the dead. But as any crook knows you play you pay.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Yes, it will be reaaaally interesting to hear the "facts" behind this one.

Posted by: About time Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:20 AM
At least this time we here about the bad guy going down instead of a Police officer. I agree with Larry's comment. Take home cars are vital to the community. Officers May have an interest for take home police vehicles, however the community is the one that really wins. How about it JEFF REA> Let Mishawaka PD drive their Police vehicles ON and OFF duty. How can you put a price on the Citizens safety.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:09 AM
My boyfriend witnessed this crash, he could've easily been a part of it. I was less then two minutes behind it and headed to the very driveway this man careened through. I understand the severity of it. I do. It was terrible and frightening but... I counted 21 police cruisers, at least four volunteer vehicles, one fire truck, and two ambulances as responders to this accident scene. The firetruck and ambulances I can understand but 21 police cruisers!!!!!? Was this the only neighborhood that needed our police staff last night? What's going on in Mishawaka? Was any part of our city patrolled between 11 an 12 last night? I don't see how it could have been.

Posted by: Bill Location: Warsaw on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:51 AM
First thing, officers in there patrol cars are never off duty, not that it matters, how about just saying a Mishawaka police officer. Secondly, great job to the officer in spotting what appears to be a criminal act in progress! Unfortunately, the criminal chose to die tonight and the motto of the officers "I'm going home at the end of my shift" prevails. This officers actions are how many officers are working constantly around the clock to help take your streets back from the criminals! GOOD JOB!

Posted by: Joe Location: Goshen on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Great. Now we get to see another repeat of the folks who have blind faith in every action by anyone with a badge vs. the conspiracy theorists. You know, just like the two cops shoot knife wielding bank robber story. I'll wait for more details to be released before I form an opinion but it seems like this one could be quite controversial as well. I think I'm going to start walking around in public with my hands on my head and if I see a police officer I'll just lie on the ground until I pass inspection. I don't want any of them to "fear for their life" if I go for my car keys or sneeze too quickly.

Posted by: Larry Location: Osceola on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:52 AM
Thanks to a off duty police officer a criminal has been taken off the street. As a victom of crime I thank the officer involved This justifys take home cars. As for the dead person Its sad for your family. However any criminal can expect this will happen sooner or later when you lead this life.


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