Lower the drinking age? 100 college presidents say it's a good idea
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Posted: 6:30 PM Aug 19, 2008
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Should the drinking age be lowered from 21 to 18? About 100 university and college presidents think so and they've signed a petition. They say current laws encourage binge drinking on campus.

The petition these college presidents have signed is called the Amethyst Initiative. In Greek "amethyst" refers to moderation or drinking responsibly.

The petition started over a year ago. It's designed to spark more debate about the drinking age; particularly, the problem with binge drinking.

At age 18 in the U.S., you're old enough to vote, go to war and serve on a jury, but you're not old enough to drink alcohol. The college presidents are asking lawmakers to re-consider lowering the drinking age.

So far, just two Indiana colleges have signed the petition, Hanover College and Butler University.

"It's not a matter of looking for a change in law, it's calling for a conversation,” says Dr. Bobby Fong, President of Indiana’s Butler University.

Dr. Fong believes lowering the drinking age might help curb alcohol abuse. "What that means is there's an underground culture of drinking that begins in junior high school, where students are going to drink in many ways irresponsibly – ‘front loading’ before they get to parties, binge drinking at parties."

On the Notre Dame campus, nearly everyone we talked to has something to say on the drinking age debate.

"I think it would be a mistake, because students are immature drinkers at age 21," says Doug Bradley, who opposes lowering the drinking age.

"I don't think it'll curb binge drinking. I think binge drinking is a problem at any age. I know 30 year olds that binge drink," says Jason Bader, a graduate student who opposes lowering the drinking age.

One graduate student from Canada, where the legal drinking age is 19, doesn't see a problem with lowering it here in the U.S. "I think if you start earlier, you'll be a lot more responsible,” says Bryan Cassone of Toronto.

NewsCenter 16 also talked with a local MADD volunteer on the phone today. He opposes lowering the drinking age. Steve Mason says he thinks it will lead to more binge drinking and drunk driving.

To see a full list of all the college presidents who've signed the Amethyst Initiative petition, click on the link below.


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Posted by: Jacob Location: 311 N 8th St Goshen, In, 46528 on Oct 13, 2008 at 03:12 PM
The drinking age should belowerd because, when i turn 18 ill be old enought to go to the army. Im able to serve on a jurey and many other thing. but i cant drink. Iv herd people say that smoking kills more people than drinking and yet the smoking age is 18 so why cant the drinking age

Posted by: kc9ixv Location: the late great u.s.a. on Aug 29, 2008 at 08:37 AM
you are an adult at 18 and you should be able to make adult choices. leave it 21 if you want but the law should be changed to 21 to be legally an adult so this means no military or jail till 21. this is reasonable. one way or the other but you cant say your an adult at 18 but sorry your still a minor when it comes to beer etc. i wonder if my comment will be posted or not cause i tried to respond on this topic many times.

Posted by: you Location: mish on Aug 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM
i've seen 15 year olds drunk before. a 32 year old gave the alcohal to them.

Posted by: bob Location: goshen on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:13 PM
in the 70s mich. changed their law to 18 it lasted a short time because of the increase of dui and other drink related crimes. are we to think the results would be any different today.

Posted by: Farmer Frank Location: Rural Marshall County on Aug 28, 2008 at 10:59 AM
We need to lower drinking age. Also need to issue drinking licenses to raise revenue to help pay for crossing guards being laid off........where is your head at michiana?

Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Bruce, you kind sir nailed it on the head. Nice post. Statistics prove what you are talking about. They are showing that there are two types of teen drinkers...the ones who have few to none drinks and the other type is the binge drinkers. Drinking related deaths and rapes around college campus's are at a record high and these coward University Presidents are just trying to make major PR moves for their school. It has nothing to do with the student safety for them...it's about drawing the numbers by giving students what they want. Shame on them.

Posted by: Brue Location: Granger on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Binge drinking and deaths related to alcohol consumption continue to be a problem for 18-21 age group. In fact, it is getting worse. Why would we think that things will improve by doing the same thing that we have been doing? IMO, the age should stay at 21, but in all the comments, I've yet to see any new ideas. I propose a mandatory driver's license renewal prior to 21st bday. It will include a 4 hour information session including the laws about drinking, how alcohol affects the body/mind, DD victims, etc. Then a test to be sure the information was retained. The cost will be passed onto the driver's and should be less than $100.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:59 AM
People are drinking anyway at the age of 18, they just have to hide it. If it's made legal, we'll start seeing drunken 18 year olds in the streets, because they're allowed. Also, if people at 18 drink illegally already, wait for it to be legal, then the 16 year olds will start the cycle all over again.

Posted by: dheck Location: indiana on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:18 PM i went to italy when i was 19 and got freaken drunk didn't even remeber where is was i think everyone should enjoy this kind of mentallity as young as possible. ------------------------------------------- I think this person was drunk at the time of this post! I'm not sure what the real answer is here but I will say that after 6 years in the military, where I served in Desert Storm it sure was a bit disappointing to me to return home all of 19 years old, having made it through the ordeal alive, only to be arrested for consumption by a minor while at a welcome home party being hosted by a member of my company. Yet 10 days earlier while awaiting a flight home from Germany I could enjoy a cold one with friends and fell no apprehension. 18 may be too young, but some consideration should be given to allowing soldiers,sailors and the like with valid military ID's to partake of a beverage while serving their contry.

Posted by: M Location: V on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:53 AM
How about giving them a learner's permit at 18. They have to have someone who is not drinking with them. And increase the drunk driving education in school, and less videos of scarifying STD affected parts.

Posted by: Um on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:15 PM
There are double standards it seems. I agree with the previous post. Either children are adults at 18 or 21. At 18 you pay taxes, move out, get a job, have your own debt, go to war, and get married! But, you can't drink. Also, if ilegal drugs were regulated there would be more tax money and maybe a little regulation? As for the colleges wanting the age changed I don't think they want to deal with any legal issues or problems with students anymore. I just wonder when the double standard on the "adult" age will be consistant and not a double standard.

Posted by: LB Location: Mishawka on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Lowering the drinking age to 18 is just asking for more trouble. As a society we already have enough people being irresponsible and going out and driving drunk. We do not need an even greater amount of people (18-20 y.o) out on the road creating an even greater risk of an accident.

Posted by: Lynn Location: Mishawaka on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I have kept my mouth closed long enough...What are these University officials thinking? You might as well give the majority of these students a loaded gun. Yes, there are responsible young adults but there are just as many that are not. Drinking and driving DO NOT mix. I am sure there will an increase in drunk driving crashes.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 25, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Most of their parents let them start drinking at what, age 6 or 7. Wine, beer, a shot of liquor... Driving at 16, dead by 20. Yeah, bring on the comments,,how many have given their kids cough syrup to shut them up from crying. Start them out early addicted to the 'drank;...making or changing the law wont matter anyway...

Posted by: staya t home mom Location: south bend on Aug 24, 2008 at 04:24 PM
And you think we have problems with underage parties in high school now? Look out! High school will have a whole new meaning if they do change it.

Posted by: anonymous on Aug 24, 2008 at 12:04 PM
you defend the constitution of america at 18 but cannot drink a beer, figure this rule out!

Posted by: Les on Aug 24, 2008 at 09:19 AM
These College presidents are just trying to get this monkey off their backs. Drinking in college has always been a problem for them. So this is their way of passing the buck. 'IT'S NOT OUR FALT, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE DRINKING AGE' There are a few more important issues out there right now. Stop the world an 18 year old can't buy booze, Really folks not very important. Why don't they try working with the rest of the school system to raise this countries educational standings in the world, what are we now 20th.

Posted by: Jirk In Hoff Location: Notre Dumb on Aug 23, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Hand a student a joint and a soldier a beer, MADD settle down or your stress disorder will cause you to drive into a brick wall called depression. I say we start a group to counter your disorder and call it RADD. Realist against Dumb Dinkheads.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 23, 2008 at 11:51 AM
I was very responsible at age 18, and so were many of my friends. It had a lot to do with education and having great parents(which is lacking nowadays). People are idiots no matter what age. They will drive drunk because they are irresponsible, not because they are 18 years old. I have almost gotten in more accidents from 30-40 year old people talking on their cell phones!!! We need to clearly define what is and what isn't a minor in this country. You can defend your country, but not go buy a six pack and relax at home? You can choose a leader for our country but dont have enough sense to drink responsibly? We have no faith in our children. Give them some responsibility! They are drinking anyway...if you dont believe that you are naive.

Posted by: J Location: Nappanee on Aug 23, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Anyone reading this thinks that young adults become magically responsible at 21? Of course, it was in my youth (15-21) that I learned to become somewhat of a responsible drinker -- as in still accountable to parents for my actions. Maybe we should lower the drinking age to 15. Or, maybe increase the legal age for voting and participation in war to 25!

Posted by: Matt Rust Location: Plymouth on Aug 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM
TO: Anonymous Think of it this way, look at the story where the police man raped the girl. Does that mean that all male cops should have there privates cut off. It just comes down to there are a lot of responcible people out there and there are a lot of people that are not. Its that way about everything. Don't be so narrow!

Posted by: MADD Location: MI on Aug 23, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Jack Inhoff you are a fricken idiot!!!!! I'm glad you live in Elkhart and not near me, I just hope and pray when you finally do get into a drunk driving accident that you will have caused, I hope you run your car into a tree or bridge imbutment and ruin your own life alone!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: sb on Aug 22, 2008 at 06:23 PM
look what happen on august 16th,where a drunk driver over the age of 18 hit and killed a great woman and injured her husband.but some of the so called friends of the drunk driver puts the blame on the classic car.

Posted by: Jack Inhoff Location: Elkhart on Aug 22, 2008 at 09:36 AM
I think this is a great idea. I can go to war but not drink? I drive better after I drink 5 or 6 beers anyways.

Posted by: Concerned on Aug 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea

Posted by: Sharon Location: South Bend on Aug 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Oh yea put more drunks on the roads to drive and kill themselves or someone else. That is so smart these young people can barely drive sober. Where are your heads? Forget it I already know... Stupid is what I call you.

Posted by: Jeff Location: SB on Aug 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM
This looks to me like a liability cop-out for the college officials. They are trying to get the drinking age lowered while not taking a moment to think of what will happen in the cities and rural areas. This would obviously not just apply to college campuses but on the streets. Like we need the inner city and country kids packing up bars and liquor stores. Just think how much fun it would be to sit in your favorite neighborhood establishment with a gaggle of high school seniors slamming pitchers at the table next to you. This is a completely ridiculous solution to a problem that the college presidents obviously have no control over. Any responsible parent should be demanding that they enforce public intoxication laws on campuses more and better rather than surrendering. With the power to suspend or expell, one would think they could clean things up rather efficiently as opposed to this moronic idea.

Posted by: Todd Location: South Bend on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:27 PM
Chris, that is the most ignorant statement I have heard in a long time. I would venture to say you are still in high school and it shows exactly why the drinking age needs to stay at 21. Your logic is pretty fuzzy without drinking...what would it be like with? Yes, drinking does in fact kill. It messes with your responses and ability to make good judgment calls. Most people do not even know who much they can really handle. It is already too late when you start feeling the slightest bit drunk...your judgment is already impaired. I think these college Presidents are selling out to the students to boost admissions. They do not want to address the problem, but the States that host the college's should in form of grant and budget restrictions if they are not in compliance. Will they completely stop the problem..certainly not. But they are responsible for those living on their campus.

Posted by: justin Location: mish on Aug 21, 2008 at 08:39 PM
you got to fight for right to party!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Some 18 year olds are still in high school. That's not a stable age to be allowed to drink. You grow up so much between 18 and 21. I wouldn't want an 18 yr old that my kids goes to school with to have regular access to alcohol. What would really stop them from giving a beer to my kid?

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Are the professors in favor of this because they have no control of the problem and it would relieve them from being accountable?

Posted by: Huh? Location: South Bend on Aug 21, 2008 at 03:29 PM
So, let me get this straight...there's a headline that says a 60 year old woman was killed by a drunk driver who was 34 years of age and we want to LOWER the drinking age? I don't get it.

Posted by: Carolyn Location: Niles,Michigan on Aug 21, 2008 at 03:15 PM
To Jim--Shelby yes I know the driver that killed the woman was 60 yrs old but it still does not change the fact 18 yrs olds have no business drinking it is just plain stupid...so what that they can vote, enter the military but that does mean they can handle alchol decisions. My husband and I lost one of our best friend to drunk driving. He was only 18. They are still children and do not know everything even tho when they graduate high school we tell them they are adults but they really are not. They just do not make the right decisions. Plain and simple. I do not care if you do not agree with me I have seen what drinking at 18 can do to you first hand by loosing our friend. As a parent stop this from happening save your child before you grieve for them like if can happen and it can it happens every day just pick up a newspaper....

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Many of the arguments against making the legal age to drink 18 are related to drinking and driving. The debate isn't to change the drunk driving laws. Drinking and drunkenness do not have to go hand-in-hand nor does drinking and driving. Anyone who thinks there is an 18-year-old out there (or even 16 year-old) who can't get alcohol whenever they want it is kidding themselves. Having the legal drinking age at 21 is not solving any of the problems. The issues should be to make stiffer punnishments for those who chose to drink and drive as well as increase education and awareness.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:32 AM
All of the arguments about drunk drivers, etc can apply to anyone no matter what the age. Drinking and responsibility lie with the individual. My daughter is 18 now and I would have no problem with her being allowed to drink legally. The fact is that she has no desire to do so. I also have friends who are well over 30 and do not have enough common sense not to drive after they have been drinking. What it comes down to for me is that there is a double standard. Kids are considered legal ADULTS at age 18.They can do EVERYTHING (marriage, war, vote, jury duty, etc) without permission from anyone. Why does the law state they have to wait another 3 years until they can drink? If you're an adult, you're an adult-period! Educate, accept responsibility, and punish those who don't follow the rules. It's the way everything else goes!

Posted by: Myrt on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:12 AM
I'm not sure what the age is in England, but when we were our experience was that most pubs are only opened from 11-2 for lunch and then 5-11 pm. If the pub was busy, they would "lock you in" at 11 and all keys were forfeited to the bartender. Once the doors were closed, no one was allowed in; only out. You could drink until the bartender decided there wasn't enough business to stay open. Your only choice was to call a cab or to walk. Believe me, the cabbies KNEW which pubs were "locked in" those nights because they were waiting outside the door. The cabbies would also arrange to pick you up the next day so you could get your car. This happened in all the smaller towns we were in; I'm not sure if that is true in London. Most people were home by midnight which is when most trouble happens anyway. I would love to see this in the states, but I know it would never fly.

Posted by: Ross Location: Granger on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:13 AM
Did anyone stop to think, the state would love to have the drinking age lowered,hers is a clue MORE TAX MONEY

Posted by: G on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:05 AM
I have to remind ALL of YOU that a couple hundred years ago, early in this countries history when we were not living as long as we are today, people got married and had kids long before they were 18. Now we want to believe we are more civilized. No we are just living longer, but finding quicker and more stupid ways to kill each other. They fought wars back then, like we are now. So how far have we actually come? Are we a more civilized people, or are we just more sophisticated in the ways we go about doing the things we want to do. Lower the age, raise it, the same problems are going to be there. How many gun makers produce and sell guns that serve no purpose but to kill someone most effectively? Are those types of guns really needed? No! But they are made and bought with the perception that they are for self defense. Many powerful politicians fight for these guns to stay on the market cliaming it would be against constitutional rights to bear arms. Seriously? Drinking age people?

Posted by: ron on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:52 PM
If they lower the age to 18 ,most those kids already get alcohol somewhere,And it doesn`t matter what age you are ,if you drink and drive YOU are not a responsible person any way,and most drunks act immature already!

Posted by: thats a dumb idea on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:24 PM
im 22 years old i personally think that lowering the age is dumb.whats next making illegal drugs legal?

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:48 PM
How about increasing the age one can go to war and die to 21 instead?

Posted by: Chris Location: argos on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Most teens start drinking before they turn 18 anyway so they might as well drop the age. and dont say your kid doesnt drink they do alot more when your not around than what you think. Your daughter isn't sweet little innocent Mary. And they already tried banning alcohol and look what that did haha if you think alcohol is evil you have some real problems Alcohol does'nt kill stupidity kills

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:11 PM
Ok, so college Presidents say lower the age. Let's ask why? So they don't have to share the responsibility when rapes, crime, alcohol poisonings, or even electrocutions take place on campus. Yep, Suzie was found naked wandering around and she was gang banged last night--but she's 18. So stupid. And what about Butchie, he was so drunk at a party that he was found floating in the fountain on campus--dead. Imagine that. Children's brains aren't finished developing --that's right the frontal lobe--the part that controls executive functioning and reasoning skills! Raise the age to 25!

Posted by: oh on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:59 PM
that's crazy now all the 18 years olds who are immature will ki8ll most of us from DRUNK DRIVING... yet ready to die young y'all

Posted by: jim Location: sb on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:49 PM
they need to change the drinking age, TO 25! and start selling on Sundays. and to ME, you got the story wrong. the driver wasn't 60, the woman was. try reading next time.

Posted by: Shelby on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:49 PM
ME - but these 18 year olds can go to war, serve on a jury, drive a car and vote for the leaders of this country. So if they are too immature to drink then they are too immature to serve in the military, etc.

Posted by: Debi Location: Silver Lake on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:13 PM
Indiana code regarding child support states that "the duty to support a child ceases when the child becomes twenty-one (21) years of age" (unless there are special circumstances, such the child is incapaciated, etc). If the legal age to consume alcohol is reduced to 18, this 'age of majority' must be changed also - if they are old enought to drink, the non-custodial parent should no longer be required to pay child support. I believe that the number of alcohol-related accidents and deaths will be substantially increased by lowering the drinking age. Has anyone even thought that many 18-year olds are still in high school and how this potential new law will affect those students? There are enough problems at Prom and Graduation season; this will only compund that, as high school kids are not mature enough to handle the responsibilty that goes hand-in-hand with being old enough to consume.

Posted by: Sherry Location: Saint Joseph on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:54 PM
I really don't think lowering the drinking age is good idea. Didn't we try that once already and it failed miserably? To those that argue that if they are old enough to fight, they're old enough to drink. Okay, let's change the law to 21 unless you are in the armed forces and then it's 18.

Posted by: Jamie Location: mishawaka on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:27 PM
As someone that does not drink regularly, and as someone that has an alcoholic father, i feel that lowering the drinking age will not change anything in our soceity for the good or the bad. People are going to do what they are going to do..period. It is the responsibility of the parents to set good examples for their children. It also depends on the mindset of each individual. I personnaly did not have the best role model when it came to drinking, yet I don't drink. Whether you are 12, 14, 16, or 18 if you want to get alcohol, you probably will. I know I had access to alcolhol all through out high school. If you honestly believe that 18 year olds don't drink because it is illegal or they cannot get it, then you are wrong. Legal or not legal there will always be irresponsible people out there taht mess everything up for everyone else.

Posted by: Nec Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Come on people, we have officers and fire fighters being laid off and they still want to lower the drinking age?? Yeah less officers on the streets to arrest drunk drivers, great move! Why not lower the driving age while you're at it too?!? Stop wasting time on pointless subjects like this and spend more time on things that really matter in our state. There is a reason why the drinking age was set at 21 to begin with, and its called a law so suck it up live with it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I think if alcohol would be banned completely it would solve alot of problems for younger and older. It's not only the younger people, alcohol is really bad and it kills!! Smoking will not kill behind the wheel!! I know several managerial type people who are adults that drink and drive at work - lunch or meetings. What is the world coming to?? Ban alcohol!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:49 PM
How do you suggest we "deal with the problem," Danny Boy? Let me guess...harsher punishments blah blah blah. Why dont you just say, "Lets keep doing more of what we already know DOESN'T work." Because thats what that is. Liberals are smarter than conservatives. Nothing elitist about it. Just fact. Read some of the comments. Look at the stats.

Posted by: B Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:48 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't see how being a member of the military means that you are necessarily responsible enough to drink at age 18. I knew a young man who was in the military, and was not yet 21, and went out drinking with a few others from his base. When they were out that night, they lost control of their Jeep, and it flipped, killing him. He may have been brave enough to join the military, but he was not mature enough to know A. not to drink and drive and B. what he could handle. Also, what about all the 18 yr. olds that are still in high school? What is going to stop them from providing drinks to younger students? What is going to happen when YOUR child is in a vehicle with them, after they've been drinking, and is killed in an accident??? Even if you are the best parent in the world, your child is still going to make their own decisions. Why make this more of a risk than it already is?

Posted by: Shannon Location: North Carolina on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:47 PM
I believe that if they get the drinking age lowered then ALL 18 year olds should have to attend differant classes. One being MADD another one offered by police officers where they pull files, pictures and other information that will show them drinking and driving dont mix. People are right lowering the age isnt going to make things any better, it will make it worse. We would see 18 year olds buying alcohol for younger kids then we have a whole new problem facing us.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:43 PM
They have banned smoking correct? Then liquor should be banned. Plain and simple!! All together!!

Posted by: Tony Gaskill on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:41 PM
This is a very good idea. The only question I have is. Where was this idea when I was 18?

Posted by: flm Location: indiana on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:35 PM
DO YOU want your 18 year old son or daughter, grandson or grand daughter hurt or killed or arrested. sued and have that stigma for the rest of your snd their lives.???

Posted by: ME Location: SOUTH BEND on Aug 20, 2008 at 03:04 PM
To lower the drinking age to 18 how stupid can you be. A woman was killed by a drunk driver who was 60 yrs old @ 7a in the morning for drunk driving and you want to lower the drinking age. Ok lets go give them all a keg a car and say go kill any one you want....By lowering the age limit that is exactly what you would be saying. THAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID. At 18 they are still children and still do not understand that there is punishment for there stupid actions that could change there life forever. We as adults must stop this maddness now. If the court system will not the public has to. Our JUDGES have failed us...as parents lets not fail our kids and say its okay and your smart enough to drink at 18.

Posted by: BUTCH Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 02:55 PM
My nearly 43 years exdperience in many phases of Law Enforce tells me that the idea of lowering the age for alcohol consumption is one of the most un-thought out ideas that has come to our attention in these times of poverty and criminality.

Posted by: Captain Dan Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:52 PM
I remember the last time we tried 18 year olds on booz. Now we have Jaegerbombs. Didn't work last time, auto death amongst that group skyrocketed. Ruined a lot of good bars when the kids came. The irony is the stupid academe who want to legalize rather than deal with a problem. A typical liberal mindset. If we don't recognize the problem we can feel good and ignore it.

Posted by: Bobbie Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Thank you DJ.....could not have worded it better.

Posted by: Mr. Sarcasm on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:37 PM
I'm rethinking this. Maybe if the SBCSC served beer instead of milk at lunch, they could reduce the dropout rate! The kids might not learn any more, but they wouldn't learn any less. Crime would go down, because the kids would be hung over by the end of the school day. Let me be the first to put in a bid as the official beer provider to the SBCSC.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:18 PM
i went to italy when i was 19 and got freaken drunk didn't even remeber where is was i think everyone should enjoy this kind of mentallity as young as possible.

Posted by: DJ Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Yes, I have heard that in germany. You can drink at 16 and drive at 18. I have also heard, if you get caught drunk driving YOU WILL LOSE your privlage to drive for at least 1 year or longer, no excuses!! here they give you a dozen warnings and no jail time until you happen to kill someone. This sounds like it's comming from the same people trying to legalize pot. One comment was made if you can fight you should be allowed to drink. Problem is, most of those 18 year olds don't have the guts to fight for our country.

Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:41 PM
People say 18yr olds can vote, fight for country etc... those are the responsible 18yr olds, not the rest of the 90% of teenagers around here- those are the ones I am worried about. I think many of those for lowering it will feel different when they lose a loved one to a teenager drinking and driving... Isn't this city going to ____ enough already?

Posted by: MD on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:33 PM
There is no magic 'responsibility pill' that you get the eve of your 21st birthday. There are responsible 18 year olds and there a irresponsible 21 year olds. If we say a child becomes an adult at 18, then they should have all the freedoms of an adult, including having a drink. They can vote, serve their country, and take responsibility for their own actions.

Posted by: anon on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:20 PM
why doesnt alcohol just get banned all together at least this way alot of us can feel a lot safer driving our car to work or to the store ive been paying real close attention to the news and it seems like alot of deaths are happening due to drunks so why not ban alchol all together and before one of u so called drunks decide to say something to my comment b/c ur not hapy with what i wrote oh well freedom of speech i am intitled of my own opinions

Posted by: Delane Location: Granger on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:05 PM
This article is quite timely and thought provoking. My 16-year-old son left one month ago for an 11-month study abroad program in Germany -- drinking age is 16, driving 18. He told me that there's much less stigma about drinking there -- you can have a beer with your friends, but it's not a forbidden fruit, so it's no big deal. Parents are also closely involved with their kids, so the environment for them seems quite positive. While drinking is allowed at a younger age, the tolerance for drinking and driving is more strict than the USA -- 0.05% last year, and now 0.00% (that's zero blood alcohol) for this year, with severe penalties for disobedience. It appears that the drinking age is just a number that each country chooses -- 16 for Germany, 19 Canada, 21 USA. Perhaps it's better to let our kids have a beer with us, than to have them sneak off and learn unhealthy habits from their peers. Just some food for thought -- respectfully submitted for your consideration. Thanks.

Posted by: Shawn Location: Mishawaka, IN on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:04 PM
You're kidding me, right? No way is going to lower the drinking going to solve anything. Colleges around the country just want less responsiblity if anything goes wrong on campus. They may be 18, but majority of this kids are NOT responsible enough to handle being around alcohol. I don't care if they are 'legally' an adult...automatically turning 18 doesn't mean you're able to handle it nor will they drink responsible. All lowering the age limit is going to do is cause more deaths between the out of control drinking and drunk driving. When I attended college, it didn't matter whether we were 21 or 18...we still got into the bars and drank. I went out more in my first two years of college than I did when I turned 21. It was more exciting to be out and about when everything was new.

Posted by: Brue Location: Granger on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Some of the poster here need to click on the link and read the Amethyst Initiative. By signing, they are not saying that the age "must" be changed to 18. Instead asking for a public debate about the drinking age, federal monies to states, etc. C'mon folks, can you really see lawmaker's changing the legal age to 18? Of course they won't, they want to be re-elected and the issue is to controversial. The issue needs attention though, binge drinking and deaths are trending upward so a candid debate and some national attention is a good thing.

Posted by: Me Location: Mishawaka on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Wow...I've read most of these comments and I keep seeing that at 18 their not mature enough!! But yet they are mature enough to join the military and fight for YOUR FREEDOM!!! You don't they deserve a beer for that? I'm saying they need to go out and get drunk. And diffinately not behind the wheel of a vehicle. There are several people way over the age of 21 that drink and drive and cause accidents! All I'm saying is if they are mature enough to be put on the front line for our freedom then they are mature enough to drink a beer!!! Get a grip people!!

Posted by: Lorraine Location: Goshen on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I think the age should be dropped back to 18. We expect some of the bravest kids in the world to sacrafice their lives in our military at the age of 18 but they cannot even have a beer legally before they leave for war. I have heard that this would cause a problem for the schools if the students were old enough to drink. I think that if the parents of these kids were bringing up their children with good values then this would not even be a question in our minds. At the age of eighteen you are a legal adult in this country. You are responsible for your own actions. Just because the age is 21 now does not mean that 18 year olds are not drinking.

Posted by: dj Location: sj on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Wow..how about we take a lesson from Europe where drinking isn't a big deal and children are given small amounts. My brother and I were given very small (and weak) drinks from the time we could hold shot glasses. Drinking was never a big deal to us and even now, we rarely drink. Our younger sisters didn't have the same opportunity and both drank and partied in jr high-high school. If alchohol wasn't such a forbidden fruit we wouldn't have teens/early 20's with such problems. If 18 is the legal age of adulthood and it's assumed that you are mature enough to decide what you want to do with your life (college? military?), and decide the future of the country (vote), you are mature enough to have a beer. It all goes back to the parenting (or lack of...) that the kids are receiving. If they live with good examples they have a better chance of becoming a good example.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM
At 18 we say that you're old enough to fight and die for this country, choose its leaders, but not have a beer. Either lower the drinking age or raise the age of majority.

Posted by: sas Location: niles on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM
due to the fact that you must be a certain age to start kindergarden and so many parents these days put their children in young fives, alot of high school students are still 18 in school, and this is why i dont think its a good idea to change the drinking age. It may cause for alot of high school drop outs. Other than that I think it would be a great idea if they could give a different reason other than bing drinking, thats not a good enough reason.

Posted by: Mike Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:12 AM
If your old enough to defend your country you should be able to have a drink.People over 21 drive while talking on their cells and make some bad choices and some huge mistakes, if you say they are adults at 18 they should be treated as a adult.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM
If 18 year-olds are married, they work and pay taxes, actually vote, then let them drink in their own homes.

Posted by: College Graduate Location: Michigan on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:39 AM
For those of you who say that it shouldn't be lowered because college is for learning and drinking interferes with that, consider me. I drank in college, starting my freshman year. I graduated magna cum laude in 3 years (from the honors college), held two jobs, and still found time for the bar. I had the maturity and self-control to manage my time and accomplish what I came to do; all while enjoying myself as well. It wasn't a maturity that came all of a sudden on my 21st birthday.

Posted by: J on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:31 AM
It is said that teenagers get in more accidents. So are we all going to have to pay more for insurance because of more accidents and deaths caused by children. In school I knew many people who drank illegally and all they did was want to start fights. If they want kids to drink so young they should have to stay off the road and stay home. Why does everyone want to grow up so fast.

Posted by: Cell Users Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:19 AM
Might as well lower the age and give them all cell phones to use while they are operating their cars. Better yet ... let them join the police force too.

Posted by: Times Have Changed Location: SB on Aug 20, 2008 at 09:10 AM
Being in my 50's I can see that times have really changed. Kids are no longer kids. 14 yr olds are acting like 18 yr olds - babies are having babies - and the list goes on. But that does not justify lowering the age of drinking. That's like handing them a gun and playing russian roulette. We are the adults - we should make and keep the laws. Trust me - they will drink if they want to drink but we still need attempt to keep a check on their lives. 18-21 is a hard age but so was being 13 and 16. Sounds like colleges have either given up or lost control of their students.

Posted by: MHS MOM Location: Mishawaka on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:57 AM
I think this subject is totally nuts. We preach to our kids all their lives about what is right and wrong. Hopefully if we have done a good job raising them they will do the right thing. If you have a child that is 15 now and a 10th grader they are looking forward to driving,then they want them to drink at 18 sounds pretty darn scary to me. Maybe they should not let people drive until they are 21 then.

Posted by: DALE Location: NAPPANEE on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE POSTS ABOUT THE COLLEGES JUST NOT WANTING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENFORCING THE DRINKING LAWS. THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE TO CONVIENIENT FOR THEM. I KNOW TOO MANY 21 YEAR OLDS AND UP WHO STILL DONT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEIR BOOZE. THIS IS A JOKE.

Posted by: N on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Im for it but against it at the same time. I had my first drink at age 14. I didnt get drunk, but I enjoyed it. I wanted more and couldnt get it, and had to wait 7 years to do so. Once I turned 21 it wasnt a big deal anymore. Now everyone who wants it wont have to wait as long, and its unfair to those of us who had to. Leave it where it is.

Posted by: Junkyard Dog on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Just what we need, more drunk drivers killing innocent people. And less not forget that idiot from Notre Dame that was severely beaten after a night of drinking and then getting into a car full of strangers because he was too lazy (or too drunk) to walk two blocks back to the Notre Dame campus.

Posted by: Linda Location: Granger on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:23 AM
Why don't we just give every 18 year old a loaded gun with no instructions on how to use it. That's what's happening by lowering the drinking age. We need to raise the drinking age and then enforce the law better. If these kids can legally drink at 18 then we better build more cemetaries because they'll fill up fast. I don't know what's going on in the minds of the people who think drinking at 18 will help anything. Is everyone smokin something funny?

Posted by: Steve-O on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:13 AM
Its bad enough that they cant drive at 18, let alone drive under the influence. On the positive note, there would be more ladies in the clubs to choose from.

Posted by: MIKE Location: mishawaka on Aug 20, 2008 at 08:08 AM
My god....its about time!!! When i was in the 18-21 I would have people buy it for me when i wanted something to drink. Lowering the age WILL NOT make more people drink until theyre drunk, or cause more accidents, or make the world stop turning. There are many many other countries with lower drinking ages and they have AND they have LOWER numbers of issues related to alcohol, whether it be car accidents, or alcohol poisoning. The arguement of 18 vs. 21 is BS propaganda by the MADD cult. Also if you take any time frame, (whether it be '00-'05, etc...) look at underage alcohol related deaths then look at "of age" alcohol related deaths. You will see "of age" related deaths outnumber the "under age" related incidents greatly.

Posted by: terry Location: mish on Aug 20, 2008 at 07:39 AM
You people do not understand half of the kids that drink underage do it just because it is illegal. Or it is one way to get one over on the system. 18 is a little low, in JAPAN when i was in the service the age was 20 and that did not seem to bad.

Posted by: cheesehead Location: SB on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:51 AM
I was 18 back in the early 70s and Wisconsin had the 18 legal limit. Kids from Illinois came over the state line to drink. My parents bought kegs for my 18th to 21st birthdays. In college, I was a memeber of the radio station, and we served beer at dances. You can't put an age on maturity, some are mature at 15, some..never..

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 06:08 AM
This is another rediculous thing for schools to get involved in. What about you 13-16 year olds--- are you going to drop the age that far because they are "binge" drinking-- No common sense-- AGE doesn't matter-- its a decision each makes for drinking and how much! How much to you pay these university professors to teach???

Posted by: Fred Location: Mishawaka on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:45 AM
NO, keep it at 21 who wants to get loaded with people who still have hope and there whole lives still ahead of them.

Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:35 AM
I think its a terrible idea to lower the drinking age, yes we have all done it, but chances are it was at a college campus. If it is legalized then you are going to have a bunch of kids drunk and driving all over the place. Many I feel will lose family members to stupid drunk driving.

Posted by: Tracy on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Dr. Fong (who is in favor of lowering the drinking age) says, "there's an underground culture of drinking that begins in junior high school." So, Dr. Fong, does this mean we ought to lower the age to 12 or 13? Yes, let's get our kids tanked in middle school. This would obviously reduce the number of high school dropouts as they would all then be referred to as "middle school dropouts." Good thinking Dr. Fong. RAISE THE DRINKING AGE TO 25 - end of story!

Posted by: Dee Location: South Bend, IN on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:52 PM
The drinking age of college students, or anyone else should absolutely not be lowered. Half the people who are 21 aren't mature enough to conduct themselves in a normal fashion without adding alcohol. Why would you want to make people even more stupid than what comes naturally??

Posted by: Lakota Location: Central Indiana on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:43 PM
There were lots of interesting comments here... some good and some not so good! Let's face it, Folks!!! The operative word here is IMMATURE students!!! I have raised three college graduates also... and their good behavior reflects their good upbringing! It is not these college student's fault that their brains are not fully developed (have you heard of Dr. Phil's opinions concerning their brains??) Look at their PARENTS!!! "Birds of a feather" ...and all that bloody mess. It is all part of the "Dumhing of America" and you sure would not think THAT exists at Notre Dame, or Purdue, or Indiana University, or Butler, or Bethel, or any of the great Indiana colleges and universities, .....now would you???

Posted by: Mary Location: Michigan on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Those college presidents should be fired. What are they thinking. I thought college was a place for higher learning.

Posted by: Karin Location: Granger on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Yes the legal age should be 18. We all drank way before we were 18 and by the time you're 21 it's boring anyways.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM
In Germany you can drink when you're 16 but you can't get your driver's license until you're 18.

Posted by: Melissa Location: South Bend on Aug 19, 2008 at 09:53 PM
So this means that some seniors in high school will be able to drink!? Wow how stupid would that be. Instead of having children start drinking in middle school lowering the age will cause them to start in elementry school. What a load of crap.

Posted by: Mike Location: Elkhart on Aug 19, 2008 at 09:12 PM
Lynn, Your post shows your lack of brain power. I was 18 when Michigan lowered the drinking age to 18. It did not cause me to drink any more or less than I did when it was still 21.

Posted by: jeff Location: niles on Aug 19, 2008 at 08:33 PM
ND must think twice

Posted by: BOB Location: DES MOINES, IA on Aug 19, 2008 at 08:31 PM
I WOULD EXPECT COLLEGE PROFESORS TO ASK FOR SOMETHING SMARTER. THIS IS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. IF THIS IS THE ONLY SOULUTIONS THEY KNOW, THEY SHOULD LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB. HOW STUPID THESE PEOPLE ARE. SO FAR THE LAW WORKS AND THERE IS NO NEED TO MAKE IT UP TO SOME IDIOTS WHO WISH THEY COULD DRINK ALCOHOL. IT'S VERY SMALL NUMBER OF KIDS UNDER 21 THAT REALLY WISH TO DRINK OR IT'S THE PROBLEM TO THEM. BOTTOM LINE. THE CURRENT LAW WORKS BEST FOR EVERYBODY.

Posted by: bekah Location: north judson on Aug 19, 2008 at 08:22 PM
I feel it is a bad idea to lower the drinking age. The age to get a license now is 18, so if kids who just get there license and are able to drink will probly get in a crash because they are not experienced drives on top of being intoxicated. So if the drinking age is lowered, more of are teens will end up in crashes, and possibly die. So no, I have to disagree about lowering the drinking age.

Posted by: Have an Idea on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Changing the drinking age up or down wont change anything. A persons level of mental maturity is not determined by physical age (although much more has been learned at 18 than at 8 yrs of age). My point is, why not pass a law requiring people to score on a test (much like the ones taken to obtain a gun permit), that will give them a license or permit to drink? Sounds good to me!

Posted by: amy Location: elkhart on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:39 PM
they try to make me go to rehab...I say no ...no ...no

Posted by: drunk guy Location: elkhart on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:37 PM
well if you are old enough to get shot at you should be old enough to drink..belch ....belch...scuse me ...fart ..belch...belch

Posted by: Barbara Location: South Bend on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:30 PM
I remember when Michigan did this and it caused alot of problems. 18 year olds were buying booze for there 16 and 17 year old friends. I think its a bad idea, will have alot more DUI's and maybe deaths. Besides Indiana just raised the age to sell booze to 19, seems kind of silly to lower the drinking age to 18.

Posted by: Fred Location: California on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:20 PM
MADD can no longer be trusted. They have been taken over by people who want to make alcohol illegal (causing the founder to leave). They habitually lie to make their position look reasonable. It's best to ignore them.

Posted by: May Location: May on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:11 PM
The drinking age can be 18 or 21 - I raised three children - none are drinkers or smokers - it is all about choice. We as parents have to help in those choices when we throw parties - no liquor what so ever. It seems we want to have friendships with our children and "GIVE-IN" - it's okay they are at home and on and on. Come on - all PARENTS have to wake up - it isn't the age when a young adult is allowed to drink it is the example set before them.

Posted by: lynn Location: indiana on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:10 PM
oh yeah sure and why dont we just put cigarette machines in the daycares.

Posted by: Sue Location: Mishawaka on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:06 PM
Before someone fires back that I am naive, let me say I have two sons with alcohol addictions as I am sure many parents have to worry about. As far as being old enough to fight for our country and participate in our due processes, most consider that an honor. Notice I said most. It is a tragedy when our young men and women are killed in war, and it is just as tragic when our young are killed drinking and driving. My point is when kids go off to college, they are there for a purpose. Sure, the 21 year olds will buy it for the parties and the younger ones, but not without consequence. To lower the age will encourage students to party hardy without consequence. Hello!! Parents pay thousands of dollars for their child to learn. Don't take away the deterrant. We want our young people to graduate with a degree. They can learn to drink and party on the streets for free. My sons did.

Posted by: Fallguy Location: Michigan on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Well just because college presidents say it's a good idea. Doesn't mean it's right. I was in 7th grade the last time the age was 18, I didn't have any problems drinking my lunch. Word of advice plan study hall for after lunch!

Posted by: becky Location: elkhart on Aug 19, 2008 at 07:00 PM
RU Serious? OMG, don't we have enough accidents with people of age drinking and driving? Sure it was great when it was 18 and I drank but it was very stupid and irresponsible which is exactly what you would be allowing teenagers to do. I look back now and wished I hadn't. STUPID. At that age you don't care, you don't think it will happen to you, and your certainly not financially or mentaly responsible for the consequences your about to entail. NO NO NO Keep it at 21.

Posted by: chris Location: california on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Yea, right. That will stop them - make it legal. How about suspending them for one year when caught? 100 University presidents my ass. 100 cowards is more like it.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Plymouth on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:51 PM
This is an excellent idea! If it's not illeagal then it will loose its luster among kids. If you are allowed to vote and expected to fight in a war, then you should be allowed the drink a glass of wine or a beer!

Posted by: Cyndi Location: South Bend on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Some adults can't handle their drinking. Just look at what happened when that idiot got behind the wheel this last Saturday and ended up killing a fine lady. I think this would be a major mistake. 18 year olds are just out on their own, stretching their wings in other areas. Don't give them something else to have to handle, let them wait until they are a bit older and can make more rational decisions.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Instead of changing the law for people who don't want to follow it, why not enforce it? If the drinking age is lowered to 18 then some high school students will be of legal age to drink making it that much easier for high school kids to get their alcohol. If this happens will we then have high school principles petitioning to lower the drinking age to 16 because now the binge drinking is out of hand in high schools. Fix the problem by enforcing the law already on the books, period.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:43 PM
i think it will be a HUGE mistake to do this. You change this law and you may as well change the age to 15 by the time it is finished. It will never be enough. even at 18 they are not adults.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: USA on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:32 PM
NO!!!To many DRUNKS aready ...

Posted by: Jamie Location: Bremen on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:13 PM
Those thinking that this is a good idea need to realize that the age is set at 21 not only because of poor decision making but also because the brain is not fully developed until a persons 20's. Even though the legal age is 21 many people younger than this are drinking. I think that if the age is lowered then it just makes younger people think its ok to drink. These presidents need to think of all the facts before making this major of a decision.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 19, 2008 at 06:04 PM
It's not that they want drinking on campus, it's that they don't want the responsibility of trying to stop it.


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