Hydro 4000: The Mileage Doubler? Save Email Print
Posted: 11:39 PM Jul 30, 2008
Last Updated: 6:38 AM Jul 31, 2008
Reporter: Terry McFadden
Email Address: terry.mcfadden@wndu.com

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These days, when a product promises to improve gas mileage by as much as 60 percent, it gets your attention.

That is why we were drawn to the Hydro 4000, a fuel cell that was sent to us by a company called Green Machine Solutions out of Jupiter, Florida.


The Hydro 4000 promises improved gas mileage from 20 to 60 percent.

You may have seen these products on the internet or on some of the morning news shows. They are "add-on" hydrogen fuel cells that use water and your car's electrical system to boost gas mileage and reduce greenhouse emissions.

It costs $1,200, plus a few hundred more for installation.

But the manufacturer says it wouldn't take long before you made the money back.

"We estimate the average person should be able to see the savings in one year," said David Havanich, a company spokesman.

We are going to test the Hydro 4000 on a 2005 Ford Explorer. But before we do, we're going to fill the tank of this thing up and drive it around to see what kind of mileage we get without the Hydro 4000



David Havanich

So with a full tank of gas, I'm going to drive a particular route -- without the Hydro 4000. Then we'll attach the 4000 and drive the exact same route -- we'll go the same speeds, we'll drive through city and highway traffic. We'll check the mileage and compare it to when we didn't have the Hydro 4000.

We drove through South Bend and Mishawaka, but the majority of our miles were on the Indiana Toll Road.

When we were done, the trip odometer read 210.1 miles.

The Explorer had used just over 10.2 gallons.

So with my handy calculator, I figured out our miles per gallon to be 20.55.

The Hydro 4000 should be installed by a certified mechanic.

We went to Rick's Auten Road 66.

Wiring the Hydro 4000 was pretty simple, but there was a problem installing the main unit, which the manufacturer recommends be placed under the hood, near the engine.

The Hydro 4000 wouldn't fit.



Bill Rackley

"I don't think there are too many cars out there it would fit in. If they'd make it vehicle-specific, we've got some places up under the hood it would fit, but it would have to be a little different configuration," said Bill Rackley, an ASE-certified technician at Rick's.

So Bill found a spot behind the passenger-side rear tire to mount the Hydro 4000.

Because of its distance from the engine, the people who make the Hydro 4000 say our mileage may not improve as much as it could.

So how does the Hydro 4000 work?

It's filled with a combination of mineral and distilled water, and uses the vehicle's own electrical charging system to create hydrogen gas through electrolysis.

The hydrogen gas is mixed with filtered air and then sent through a hose to the engine compartment.

It is then directed to the vehicle's air intake and combined with the vehicle's ordinary fuel/air mixture that fires your engine's cylinders.

This combination creates a cleaner burning environment.

"With your computer sensors, it will change the fuel ratio that it's going to burn, because it's already got the fuel here," explained Rackley. "In theory, it should take care of a lot of your fuel consumption."


Before we tested the mileage again, we drove the Explorer with the Hydro 4000 on it for about 400 miles, and that's because the device should clean out the combustion chambers -- get all the carbon out of there. In fact, the manufacturer says the longer you drive this vehicle with the Hydro 4000 on it, the better the mileage will be down the road.

And so one more time, we drove the 210-mile predetermined course.

The gallons add up, but not quite as many as last time.

On this trip we used nine gallons; last time we burned 10.24.

Our mileage without the Hydro 4000: 20.5 miles to the gallon.

With the Hydro 4000: 23.3 miles per gallon, an improvement of nearly three miles per gallon, or 12 percent.

Assuming you drive 12,000 miles a year, you would save 70 gallons of gas.


At four dollars a gallon, you would save $280 a year.

Not exactly a mileage doubler, but the distance of the Hydro 4000 from the engine compartment likely played a role here, as did the fact we only put a few hundred miles on it.

A TV station in Florida tested the Hydro 4000 on a full size van, and after a month it went from 10 miles a gallon to over 20.

And we intend to re-test the Hydro 4000 on our Explorer in a month, to see if we also register a dramatic increase.

Our 12-percent boost did seem to prove one thing: hydrogen technology can increase gas mileage.

A big thanks go out to Bill Rackley, Rick Ferraira, and the gang at Rick's 66 for all their hard work that made this test possible.


For much more on the Hydro 4000, including purchasing information, visit the official website at http://www.hydro4000.com/

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Posted by: Rich Location: Granger on Nov 6, 2008 at 08:17 AM
WNDU....stil waiting for that month-later report.

Posted by: Rich Location: Granger on Oct 17, 2008 at 08:15 PM
Craig, I agree! If it was retested then WNDU, give us what you found! Even though it is that time of year where gas prices are coming down, information on anything that could help should still be reported.

Posted by: Craig Location: South Bend on Oct 15, 2008 at 05:16 PM
So whats up with this? It was supposed to be retested after a month and I never heard the results!!

Posted by: Rich Location: Granger on Oct 12, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Pete- Is this the Buns on the North side of Lincolnway between Peony Ave and Basswood Rd? I drove by today looking around and didn't see anything obvious. I will keep looking.

Posted by: Tamera Location: Mishawaka on Oct 5, 2008 at 07:42 PM
How bout putting in 100 hampster wheels and run a belt to the engine. Just feed the hampsters.

Posted by: Pete Location: Mishawaka on Sep 29, 2008 at 09:29 PM
The guy in Osceola is across from the Buns. They have a small sign for thier hydrogen kit and will install. They build the kit from "Water 4 Gas" design and do it right. There is alot of info at the Water 4 Gas website- alot to read about. If you want a kit, he'll sell you one. I have bought the Water 4 Gas books on Ebay and have built my own. They're neat and they do work to an extent. Performance and and increase of milage between 3-7 mpg. There is alot of infomation out there with several other variations- diff add-ons. Like I said you can buy one, but as for me Im doin my own- for me. I could care less about know-it-all people who will never even try. The guy's name is Ron. He's a good guy- makes a good kit/cheap. Check out those books, there's good info in them. I got em for $10. This stuff isnt in effort to replace gas- just make it burn more efficiently. Im gonna put one on a Diesel F350 i just bought.

Posted by: Rich Location: Granger on Sep 12, 2008 at 07:24 AM
Hey Pete on 8/29/08 at 7:16pm, any way you could give a little more detail on the gent you are referring to? As for the "sucker born every minute" comment: We all get taken, at some point, even many times over. You just gotta try it once and see.

Posted by: me Location: here on Aug 30, 2008 at 10:04 PM
They say there's a sucker born every minute. Buy one and see.

Posted by: Pete Location: Mishawaka on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:16 PM
WOW...they overpaid. The design being used is that from "Water 4 Gas" on the net. The design is simple, but must be followed exactly. I have bought these books and built my own unit which works---NO I DIDNT DOUBLE MY GAS MILAGE and thats not what anyone who has researched these electrolizers will share with you. The average gain is anywhere between 3 and 7 miles per gallon. *Every vehicle is different and comes with its own problems. THEY DO WORK- The idea is to make these, which can be done cheaply- get the idea out there and see who can make it better. BEWARE of fancy bottles with high prices- theyer just con-men making a buck. I do not sell, but check in Osceola on Lincoln Way. I know that guy and share ideas. He builds a good unit and even installs (I think around $125 to $150 single bottle units) The information can be bought cheaply to build your own. Keep the idea alive and check it out.

Posted by: bjk100 Location: Niles on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:42 PM
So where is the update? it has been a mont already!!!

Posted by: Brian Location: Nappanee on Aug 20, 2008 at 01:56 AM
Mark, it is also helpful to modify the O2 sensor circuit. These units generate "browns gas": split water into hydrogen and oxygen atoms fed to the intake. Throws the whole air/fuel ratio in closed loop mode. Frankly, these companies selling these things need to consider vehicle specific applications which includes a reprogrammed ECM Prom (thus eliminating the need to change/modify underhood sending units, and account for drivability concerns with a set amount of hydrogen/oxygen entering the stream. I'd be interested to see a kit car built from the ground up around this technology. I'm sure somebody's working on it (until the oil lobby succeeds in making this whole business illegal- I'm sure they're working real hard on it).

Posted by: Mark Browning Location: Knox, Indiana on Aug 5, 2008 at 07:46 PM
On the story of the Hydro 4000, The on demand hydrogen generator does work! However you cannot get the results you are looking for without installing a MAP Enhancer, or in the case of a Ford a MAF Enhancer, to fool your vehicle's on board computor to burn the unleaded fuel "LEAN" Without this device you are only going to get an average of 3 to 5% increase in mileage. With the enhancer which you can make yourself or get one on ebay for approx $35.00 you can actually more than double your mileage depending on the vehicle and your driving habits.

Posted by: Dan on Aug 5, 2008 at 01:34 AM
I have a 1997 Ford Ranger XLT with the 2.3 Litre engine. It's the 4 cyl engine with the 8 spark plugs. I get reasonable MPG as it is but I was wondering how this would work on my truck. I get around 22 MPG in the city and 29-30 on the highway. I live in Indianapolis and travel to the S.B./Mishawaka area to visit family every few months. I read the website and it says it's safe but says nothing of long term side effects to the motor. That's why I asked the question.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 4, 2008 at 08:13 PM
The alternator puts out a continuous 14amps and what is not used by the engine while running, goes into recharging the battery until it is full. If you think that using electricity in your car reduces mileage due to electical production BY your car then you really know nothing about a car's electrical system. Oh and you probably should not use your power windows/locks, fan motor, radio, cell phone charger, headlights, tail lights, turn signals, running lights or any other things that use electricity. by doing this and taking reverend Obama's recommendations and inflating your tires, you should be able to double your mileage without the hydro4000. -which by the way only produces Brown's gas. We can work together and send ourselves back to horse and buggy days to end our dependance on foreign oil. naughty prosperous americans.

Posted by: ryan Location: elkhart on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:27 AM
You should move the battery to the rear and put the thing in it's place

Posted by: Sandman360 Location: Cassopolis on Aug 1, 2008 at 01:52 AM
As far as what it can do to harm an engine internally, when you burn hydrogen in this manner, the emissions are water(very little). If you don't have stainless steel exhaust valves or a stainless steel exhaust system, there is a possibility that you'd encounter rust later on. And yes, they do work. The problem is getting around the O2 sensors in newer vehicles. When a leaner mixture is picked up by the O2 sensor, it sends a signal to the computer to revert back to the factory fuel/air ratio mixture. Get around the O2 sensor problem, and it works fine. This system is also known as hydrogen on demand and is safe, you're not making the Hindenburg on wheels, the amount produced varies with engine rpm. Yes, it uses electricity to produce hydrogen. No, you won't lose mpg by running it (using the car's electric system). Has anyone lost mpg by installing a bass stereo system that draws much more amperage? Put down your physics book and read up on your auto mechanics.

Posted by: Frank the Tank on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I removed the restrictor plate from my car. HUGE difference.

Posted by: Electronic guy Location: Goshen on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:52 PM
So, What has or will it do to your engine? What are the emissions? John has it explained right. its detuning the car to operate in a manner not designed for. Its very likely that your shortening the life of the vehicle or your poluting the enviroment. Oh and what about producing hydrogen / oxygen under the hood? Is that safe? The only way to get more efficiency from your engine is to run it lean and ignor emmissions of up the compression. Neither of these are going to be a good long term choice.

Posted by: DM Location: Los Angeles on Jul 31, 2008 at 05:30 PM
With all due respect, a glaring error looms in this story. There's a major difference between a hydrogen fuel cell and an electrolytic hydrogen generator. A fuel cell creates electricity using pure hydrogen, atmospheric oxygen and a proton exchange membrane. An electrolytic hydrogen generator - which the reporter goes on to describe - consumes electricity to break water down to its elemental hydrogen and oxygen molecules. Since the device reviewed in this story creates hydrogen rather than an electrical current, it is not a fuel cell.

Posted by: Todd Location: South Bend on Jul 31, 2008 at 05:04 PM
You make a very valid point Dan. There has not been a long term study to date to see what effects it has on the engine and pistons. I think only time will tell. Although the technology is really noting new, I can bet that there are some side effects that have made auto manufactures from offering these. I saw another story on a local guy offering these and they did not work.

Posted by: John Location: South Bend on Jul 31, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Pull out your physics book and read the first law of thermodynamics, this cannot actually have a positive effect on the MPG of a car. It draws current from the alternator, which is mechanically turned by the engine, which is powered by the gas you put in your tank. The alternator's current is intended to be used to provide spark to the engine in your spark plugs. By adding the extra load (10amps per the products website, your engine draws 14amps on average) you add to the mechanical load the engine must give, thus increasing the amount of gas needed to create this power.

Posted by: Jason Location: Nappanee on Jul 31, 2008 at 04:49 PM
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=kevinkanny CHECK THIS SITE. THIS IS A VERY EASY BUT DANGEROUS THING TO MAKE. NO STEVE-O IT IS NOT THE FORD WASHER FLUID TRICK. THIS IS WAY DIFFERENT

Posted by: Frosty on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:57 PM
So will this thing work in the winter?

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 31, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I hate to burst any bubbles but in an Expidition, 12% is within the margin of error for a driving test. Small changes in driving can easily produce those results.

Posted by: kc9ixv Location: the late great u.s.a. on Jul 31, 2008 at 12:21 PM
car manufacturers are not interested in helping us consumers save gas unless they are forced by law and even then they fight like hell to wiesel out of their obligation's. i have built my own hydro setup and it cost me about $10 bucks mostly for the vacuum hose. the unit itself i made with thing's around the house. so simple a kid could make one well i could have as a kid anyway. it does work but not as good as advertised by seller's. if you cant build one and cant afford a ridiculous price check out ebay cheaper than 100.00 as low as 50.00 search for hydrogen and just be sure what you are buying is the unit not plans etc so read the fine print. in my 98 cavalier i gained 8% fuel economy and that was running on ethanol "e85" now im trying it with strait gas to see what results i get. e85 is less efficient then gas and i got 31 mpg hwy/city combo driving. adding acetone to my gas has made my car get as high as 36 mpg but typically i see 34 mpg but not with ethanol. be safe also

Posted by: Heather Location: Elkhart on Jul 31, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Hmm... $1200 bucks? Isn't that what the average American got in their tax rebate check with no children? I bet that's how they found their magic number..

Posted by: Radovan Location: Mishawaka on Jul 31, 2008 at 12:11 PM
It's filled with a combination of mineral and distilled water, and uses the vehicle's own electrical charging system to create hydrogen gas through electrolysis. It Takes gas to make that reaction happen. There is loss in MPG when you put load on the electrical system because the engine has to work harder to produce more electricity. I cannot beleive people are falling for this. Think of it this way. It's like running the AC in your car,it takes more gas to run when its on. If your engine was running hot you would not vent the AC right back at the engine to cool it off cause that would cause the engine to consume more gas because of the load on the engine to turn the compressor for the AC. There is no way around this except to make smaller engines and smaller/lighter cars. Yes this gas can be made but at the expense of more gas to create the amps needed to break off hydrogen and oxygen from water.

Posted by: Farmer Frank Location: Rural Marshall County on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Necessity is the mother of invention!!!! Great to hear that there are ways to improve mileage and also extend the usefulness of the SUV's by getting better mileage. Maybe we could try this on some of our politicians...i'm sure we can find those who are willing to retrofit so we get better use of all that hot air.....

Posted by: T Location: SB on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:58 AM
You are all missing the point. If automakers installed them, it would cost them more in labor than the market cost of the unit, thus making the unit a liability to the bottome line. Not to mention that most auto makers are in bed with a lot of oil companies. So there you go.

Posted by: todd Location: mishawaka on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:49 AM
ok so when all the cars are creating water vapor, say goodbye to days without rain....

Posted by: Linda Location: Elkhart on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:33 AM
These do work. My boyfriend's stepdad has made his own and sold some for just a few hundred bucks. One guy he sold it to drives from South Bend to Goshen for work and it would take him 1/4 to 3/8 of a tank everyday to get to and from work. After he put the contraption on he drove to work and back and the gas gauge didn't budge! If you wouldn't say that "works" I don't know what you'd call it. I'd say it's worth it with gas prices and everything else getting so expensive. I'd just find one for cheaper than $1,200.

Posted by: Bob Location: Elkhart on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Something is wrong with this company! Their address and the phone number don't match! I tried e-mailing them and they don't reply.

Posted by: BigRedEvil Location: Death Valley on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:18 AM
There is a sucker born every minute. Why dont the auto companies install them? I've got a one word answer for ya... EXXON.

Posted by: John Location: SB on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:16 AM
Sounds like a scam. Exactly right Anon. If these units did what they claim, why don't the automakers install them? $1200 plus the cost to install them?? Give me a break.

Posted by: MJ Location: Sawyer on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:29 AM
I really like what I have read and seen on tv about this. The only thing I do not like about it is the price and the price to have it installed. If I did have the money I would definately purchace this. Just wish gas prices were like they used to be back in the late 80's early 90's...

Posted by: Steve-O on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:13 AM
This is the same product that "Snow Performance" makes with uses your windshield wiper container for the fluids to inject into the air box. Its called a Methanol Injection Kit and sells for 200-300.

Posted by: Anon on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:39 AM
If this is helping you improve the mpg's so much why isn't the automakers putting them on new cars???

Posted by: dff Location: michiana on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:34 AM
there are other cheaper units out there. the hydranox5000 is about $300 and much smaller, it attaches to your radiator. the oxygen it produces can be pumped into your fresh air return so you have 100% oxygen pumped into your car. when you pump oxygen and hydrogen back into your intake it just turns back into water and can damage your engine. i guess time will tell which, if any of these devices actually work. and what about your cars warranty???

Posted by: Dan Location: Mishawaka on Jul 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Does this product cause any harm to the engine of your vehicle? With the hydrogen you would think it would burn up pistons faster. Which if that's the case you may save some money on gas but you are using that money to fix the motor.