Reduced city budget may lead to job cuts and recreation center closings
Reduced city budget may lead to job cuts and recreation center closings Save Email Print
Posted: 12:05 AM Jul 22, 2008
Last Updated: 7:51 AM Jul 22, 2008
Reporter: Erin Logan
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It seems that when one crisis calms down, another comes up.

As we have told you, South Bend property owners will pay $21 million less in property taxes by 2010. That means some major budget cuts are on the way.

The city faces an annual $18.2 million loss from the general fund and parks fund, as well as another $3.1 million from its tax increment financing districts, which fund economic development initiatives.

To make matters worse, 200 personnel will be cut over the next two years, including 53 firefighters and 40 police officers.

A number of parks' facilities and recreation programs will also be cut.

It's the cuts affecting children that really have people concerned, and they're asking "why?"

In a city the size of South Bend, families rely on parks, pools, and playgrounds -- especially with the high gas prices.

Parks Superintendent Phil St. Clair admits they have known for months -- since the passage of House Bill 1001 -- that money would have to be cut somewhere because of reduced property taxes.

As the announcement was made Monday, it became clear that this could really be a sad situation.

When two-year-old Rockne Horvath is at Howard Park playing, he's always ready to run around and have some fun.

"With that name, I'm hoping he grows up here learning about South Bend tradition," says his dad, Crag Horvath.

After looking at a list of possible places that could be closed, Horvath worries.

"Studebaker Golf -- learned to play there. Rum Village Nature Center -- we have our family reunion there every year," he says.

The list goes on. St. Clair had to break the news first to his staff.

Two-point-six million dollars must be cut from the budget over the next two years, including five or six full-time positions in 2009 and about 22 in 2010.

More possible cuts include one city pool per week in 2009, as well as half of the summer playground sites.

In 2010, the cuts look much worse:

  • All city pools
  • All summer playground sites
  • Howard Park Ice Rink and Senior Center
  • The city's greenhouses and conservatories
  • Martin Luther King Jr. and Charles Black Sr. recreation centers
  • Summer track and junior baseball programs
  • Public rafting at the East Race Waterway

"I'm very concerned about the effects. We live in a time now where mentoring and being able to give resources to kids should be a high priority," St. Clair says.

What if the city can't find ways to address the shortfall?

"We'll go forward with the cuts. It was mentioned earlier by the Common Council to have a food and beverage tax," he says. "We may look at partnerships and a lot of different things we can do different in 2010, but I can assure you this: we are going to take this very seriously."

Horvath and his neighbor, Christine Kaminsky, certainly hope so.

"I couldn't imagine the difference in our lives if the parks weren't here. We're regulars," Kaminsky says.

"When kids don't have things to do, that's when they get into trouble," remarks Horvath.

These cuts are still just proposals, and not yet definite.

The Common Council asked St. Clair to give them more specifics at future meetings as to how much will actually be saved by the proposed cuts.

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Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 30, 2008 at 03:01 PM
In answer to your question Anon, since you're a relative newbie to Da Bend: It takes a lot of time and elbow grease to get Boss Kernan's shoes shined like he likes them. And Mayor Moustache barely has time to make it to the parades and such after picking up Daddy Joe's drycleaning.

Posted by: Anon on Jul 29, 2008 at 08:32 PM
Why is it that the national average salary of a Mayor with 5-9 years of experience is $50,000 and Mayor Luecke is being paid $94,000 and cannot even balance his budget? I have lived here for about a year now and have noticed that he is only visible to the public if there is a ribbon cutting or parade. What does this guy do all day? Shouldn't he be justifying to his 100,000 "managers" what he is worth?

Posted by: HonestOne on Jul 29, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Nothing we post here, nothing we say, no amount of protesting, voicing, typing, nothing with change. Nothing will change people. Sidewalks, and making an outward 'show' is more important to the city officials, than protecting the people who live here. Soon this will be a ghost town just like Gary. South Bend, is the mid point city between Chicago and Detroit. All the riff raff from those cites, transfer their Section 8, and bring there clans here to set up shop. Its evident in the gang signs on the Spanish side, Mexican whatever...than lets not mention the 'SIDES' of town. Whoever heard of a little bitty city like this having sides. East Side, West Side, Lake Side, Northeast Side which are always mentioned in the news. I tell my kids, lets turn on the tv to see who either got shot, stabbed, robbed or run over. They dont allow that crap in Mishawaka, you dont hear squat about that city.

Posted by: Frustrated Location: South Bend on Jul 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Goodbye South Bend! We're leaving! Say Hello to CHICAGO! They have more there to look at and explore!

Posted by: Buford Location: Terre Coupe on Jul 28, 2008 at 01:31 PM
There should be no political parties at the local level. Anyone wishing to run for office will run with no party affiliation. If one candidate gets 50%, they are elected in May. If no one gets 50%, the top two run off in November. I know all you Demopublicans would hate that idea, but it's for your own good. Stop being a lemming and be a leader.

Posted by: SB Firefighter Location: SB on Jul 28, 2008 at 05:13 AM
Jeopardizing public safety vs. the Luecke and a "fat" city government. Tough choice.

Posted by: Paul Location: Midwest on Jul 27, 2008 at 11:59 PM
I found it interesting to hear over the weekend, one person's strong belief that the true,undisclosed reason for Mitch Daniels selling our Tollroad was in order to get the Tollroad out of the hands of St. Joseph County due to corruption from our local government. Hopefully this will all come out and help explain why this county has gone from bad to worse.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 27, 2008 at 09:09 PM
I say close all the parks and rec centers. What a waste of money.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 27, 2008 at 03:16 PM
To mark on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:48 PM Yeah, the Glow Worm was destroyed TWICE. Once when it was on SAmple st., across from where the new County Jail is now, and this last time. But they paid ohn Coley millions for his property in exchange for him not opening any more strip clubs.

Posted by: Anon Location: FED UP w/ S. Bend on Jul 27, 2008 at 02:36 PM
We cannot AFFORD 40 police officers cut or rec centers closed... that means more THUGS on the street to move into the few GOOD areas that are left and less police to cover that problem and the problem with even more kids who are or will be thugs in training to be on the streets without rec centers. I hope to move from this PIT-HOLE Michiana in a year - if I'm not another innocent bystander murdered by then! This town is going to HELL! Why don't the officials GET that?!!!!! Maybe THEIR salary should be cut for the half a** jobs they've been doing MANAGING THEIR BUDGET! Now WE have to pay the ultimate price for THEIR stupidity!

Posted by: Me Location: Misawaka on Jul 26, 2008 at 08:39 PM
What about the hall of shame mayor Bozo??????? St.joseph County is a JOKE!

Posted by: not from sobend Location: other on Jul 26, 2008 at 02:13 PM
few weeks ago southbend says spending 1 million dollars on new facade for wnit when they move into wsbt bldg. now this week says spending 842000 dollars on new stamped sidewalks and kiosks in downtown , also did you know the city pays about 100000 dollars a week in overtime for cops? each week not just once in awhile seems like a few weeks of that would pay a years wages for a few new cops. so lets tear up good sidewalks and put down fancy sidewalks information kiosk for a 3 block strech of michigan st. you can see from one end to the other. mishawaka also wasted money just paid a co. 172000 dollars to say how wide 12th street needs to be duh wide enough for two lanes curbs and a 5 foot sidewalk there i just did it and i only would charge them NOTHING . just read your paper and you can watch your tax dollars being thrown away on a regular basis.steve ross spoke out about this type of waste wanted to make sure he got his moneys worth where is he now?

Posted by: Islander Location: South Bend on Jul 26, 2008 at 09:46 AM
Taken from southbendin.gov: The Council will review budgets for Public Works on Wednesday, followed on July 30 with examinations of budgets for the Building department, the Mayor's Office, Legal Department, City Clerk, Century Center and the Administration & Finance department with the Human Rights Office. After reviewing budgets Aug. 4 for Capital, Debt and Self-Insurance funds as well as its own budget, the Common Council concludes Aug. 6 with the Morris Performing Arts Center, and the Police and Fire departments. C'mon people. All of us here should attend. This is not about party affiliation but about holding city officials spending OUR money in OUR CITY accountable. This affects everybody. It is time to take a stand!!!!

Posted by: Heather on Jul 25, 2008 at 02:48 PM
To Islander: I am with you. Where should we start? You get the info for the next meeting, post it, and I am in.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 25, 2008 at 06:19 AM
I think the Mayor should sell weenies from a cart downtown.

Posted by: LH Location: SB on Jul 24, 2008 at 06:28 PM
How about we get all the deadbeats off the system and use that money. Oh yeah then they wouldn't vote Democrat anymore. I forgot how the democratic party worked for a minute. By the way I think the flowers on Main Street look great. I saw a bum watering some the other day with his urine.

Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on Jul 24, 2008 at 04:26 PM
luecke/dem machine = incompetent/corrupt

Posted by: Queenie Location: SB on Jul 24, 2008 at 03:37 PM
WOW! JoNDoe must not like playing by the rules. I wonder if he belongs to a club? I suggest that JoNDoe join a country club if he can't abid by rules at a public course. The problems with the South Bend Parks certainly are not caused by Mr StClair or Mr Nowacki. Unfortunately JoNDoe used this forum to vent his displeasure about a personal matter. How about some constructive critisism rather than ranting and raving. One Roseland is enough.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 24, 2008 at 03:35 PM
Ok, Our fine city needs money. Let's turn the Football Hall of Fame into a Massage Parlor and a Bingo/Poker Facilty. Let's turn the upper deck at the cove into a Gentleman's Club, Call it Home Run! The Morris could be a place for public executions that you pay to view. The Ctr. For The Homeless could be a brothel run by the city. Let's generate some money! Oh and the east race, well it would be a great place for prostitutes to have little kiosks set up for quick services for those on the go!

Posted by: Islander Location: South Bend on Jul 24, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Devil's Advocate is right. Plenty of good people on here with good ideas but all anyone is doing is complaining and not standing up. I guess I could be guilty of that myself. I'm not too computer savvy but I am sure someone here is and could form a website/blog/etc... and start putting together protests, promoting new candidates and parties, asking for reform, planning big groups to attend these council meetings and such. I'm all for it. Who else would be in? It's time to take OUR city back from this smug loser of a mayor and all the degenerates of society getting a free ride. Start demanding to see the budget/income/expenses on paper. It's up to the people to solve problems not the government. They create problems.

Posted by: Just want to know.... Location: Plymouth on Jul 24, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Why hasn't there been a press conference from the Mayor? If he is listening to you folks who live there and reading any of these posts, I would think he would want to say a few words to try to calm the situation....at least to aknowledge he knows and cares about what's going on...I haven't been to South Bend in years and don't think I will anytime soon. There is just nothing there anymore. I don't like baseball and have no interest in college football..(Sorry, ND fans), so what else is there? Maybe drive down the street, be involved in a drive by shooting, have my truck car jacked, or stop into a convience store and have it robbed while I'm there. I really feel for you folks. Pretty soon it will be a ghost town. All the decent people will have moved away and the thugs will all shoot each other. The Hall of Fame will be a huge meth or crack house and the river will be full of bodies....just the way I see it. It's terrible.

Posted by: Margaret Location: South Bend on Jul 24, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Mayor Steve-you think that there are a lot of houses for sale now, just wait. You and your cronies and the thugs will be the only lones left in this declining city.

Posted by: UGH! Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Maybe we need an outside source to investigate the ties Luecke has to WNDU, WSBT and the Tribune. All seem wary of going after Luecke. Why does he need the number of assistants he has when other cities that are much larger get by with one? What about his salary and perks? The trip to Germany? The long response times by SBPD because they simply do not have the manpower? When was the last time the mayor rode along with an officer, especially on midnights? WNDU is so freakin' impressed with themselves when they get news of an impending storm on first. Maybe they could use a little readjustment of priorities. If you want to be the Weather Channel, then stop selling yourself as a news organization. Try using the time you spend putting together self-congratulatory commercials to instead ask our mayor the tough questions!!

Posted by: The truth on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Get rid of luecke.Get rid of luecke. Get rid of luecke. Get rid of luecke. GET RID OF LUECKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mika Location: South bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 07:23 PM
This is really sad, what is going on around here in south bend. What do they expect the children to do if there is no parks to play in or any fun stuff to do? Here is another example of setting these kids up for falure, then people wonder why kids are acting growner then what they really are, look your taken the kiddy things away from them and you are making them grow up faster then they should be having fun like many of us use to. You can really tell that times have really changed. I feel that my family and I need to just relocate somewhere else and Pray that they are not having the same problems that we are facing here so my child can be a kid and have fun in the parks. Something needs to be done like right now!

Posted by: LCB on Jul 23, 2008 at 06:14 PM
Where is WNDU with the corruption reporting, the waste reporting, and the investigative journalism? Oh, right, Luecke is a Democrat so no questions will be asked. The media bias is sickening. Cut the mayor's pay in half, and halve his staff, that will save a lot.

Posted by: O on Jul 23, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Guess the new guy at ND can't solve this one. Isnt it odd how they made him out to be some sort of 'Miracle Worker". OH shoot, I forgot, Notre Dame isn't part of South Bend.

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 23, 2008 at 03:11 PM
WNDU and all of the other news outlets, for some reason, don't want to upset the apple cart and ask a few simple follow-up questions or do a little investigative journalism. I don't know why. The news media in Indy and Chicago are always rooting out governmental waste and apparent corruption. All I see on the news around here are the feel-good, "we're a big city too", stories. (The only things big-city about South Bend are the crime, slums, and shady government.) Is it insecurity or low self-esteem? I don't know; I'm asking.

Posted by: WTH Location: Elkhart on Jul 23, 2008 at 02:44 PM
Little Gary, IN - no I think South Bend is trying to emulate Detroit. Lueke seems to be doing a good job. Go Mayor Lueke, go football hall of fame, go empty Gates lot! Go Silverhawks! The people of South Bend sure do know the definition of futility - voting the same mayor in and expecting different results!! PS - I think the mayor must hate golf, he keeps picking on the golf courses in this area. First Erskine and now Studebaker. He must be closing Studebaker out of vengeance for the lost development on the Erskine golf course.

Posted by: Concerned Location: St. Joseph County on Jul 23, 2008 at 02:29 PM
When is the media going to ask the mayor all of hard questions listed in these posted comments? The public needs to be informed of how many city employees there are, their salaries, total income, and take home cars. It needs to start at the top with the mayor's office.

Posted by: A Citizen Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:24 AM
I have a thought. With all the profits that are made at the Indian casinos, like Four Winds, they make millions, has anyone ever thought of letting the Native Americans take over our ventures so we can make millions too? The Football Hall of Fame would be great as a smaller casino or bingo hall. Or a fitness center. Or, take the space and put in a nice dinner place or a parking garage. It's for football, so put it where there is footbal, like ND. We don't play football downtown. It's not making the city any money. It accepts funding that could go elsewhere. What are we going to do with the old Gates building? I don't understand that. Again, how about a casino? That would be hugh and can you imigian the money that large of a casino would take in? Farillo, yeah, that's a winner. I bet you could hire a financial manger with more experience and a lot less money to do what she's doing. And I bet you don't know ALL she is doing:). But I sure wouldn't pay her.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The mayors assistants just go to special events and party, do we need that? Germany, our sister city, lets get a sister city in Indiana or at least the US. Football Hall of Fame. Yep that's a real loser. Lets move it out of state or let ND have it. I love to see how much the few people make that are running it. They have rental areas. Are they not competing with the Century Center. Thought that was suppose to be the convention and rental place. Get more business in the Century Center by lowering the prices. How much do the upper cats make, especially the Controller and the other worthless positions. They could be replaced or elliminated. The big shots can afford to drive their own cars and pay for their own gas.They could even take pay cuts. The MLK and CB Centers are worthless, just some people making money sitting there doing nothing. Close them. Kids need neighborhood scholls and walk to school. Not bused all over. Keep the cops and firemen, keep the parks and programs.

Posted by: Robin Hood Location: West Side Forest on Jul 23, 2008 at 09:15 AM
Here are some options to be heard my per the Mayor's web site... 227 West Jefferson Blvd. • Suite 1400 N South Bend, Indiana 46601 574.235.9261 "Contact the mayor e-mail address" mmyers@southbendin.gov His two loyal assistants e-mail addresses..lcoleman@southbendin.gov or tprice@southbendin.gov http://www.southbendin.gov/city/mayor/contact_the_mayor.asp

Posted by: GAME OVER STEVE Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:55 AM
TIME TO ACT PEOPLE, Office of the Mayor...227 West Jefferson Blvd. Suite 1400 N South Bend, Indiana 46601 574.235.9261 and mmyers@southbendin.gov

Posted by: Jim H Location: Granger on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Has anyone considered having St. Jospeh County Unified. One mayor, one engineer, one public works dept. etc. We are not that big that we need separate entities, i.e. county, south bend, mishawaka and oh don't forget roseland. We could also do the same with school systems. Come on St. Joseph County is not a metropolis. They complain how kids are so out of shape these days, so they want to close pools and parks, make sense. Time to move

Posted by: DJ Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Stop Giving the Football Hall of fame $500,000 a year. We can add names to a wall and have a parade, or we can fire the police and fire dept. Stop all of the "kiss up programs" and balance your budget.

Posted by: Les Location: Mishawaka on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:38 AM
We just moved back to the area and am floored by the decline of my home town. Reading down the comments I read that Lueche has been mayor for over 9years. Why? What the heck has he done in that time? Seems like WNDU could dig a LITTLE deeper into this and inform the community a LOT more! ??? everyone seems to want to know more. What about the hall of fame? How much does ND pay into the areas tax base? How many attorneys does the city retain/ and at what coast? Just how many assistants does the mayor have/ and what the heck do they assist him with? I think WNDU needs to be an advocate of the people and answer these questions. One thing is for sure this problem is not going away over night. In these hard times you are going to need a real visionary to lead you out of this miss. I do not believe this is the mayor to do that. I'm not sure there is anyone who is or would want to. Why not place the city budget link on this page so we can all see if there is waste and let the people decide

Posted by: Margaret Location: South Bend on Jul 23, 2008 at 06:36 AM
....but yet Mayor steve went to Germany and there is money to fix up downtown. This is so stupid and I thought that Los Angeles was a crappy place to live.

Posted by: CHUCK Location: SO. BEND on Jul 23, 2008 at 04:43 AM
HOW MUCH SAVEINGS AND HOW IT IS SAVED IN EACH CLOSEING MUST BE SHOWN? THIS SCARE TACTIC IS PHONY AND SMART PEOPLE WILL KNOW IT.

Please do not post in all caps. Thank you. -WNDU.com


Posted by: stay at home mom Location: south bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:03 PM
I am ready to move from this area. There are not any jobs, the kids have no where to play and now crime is going to get sky high. I agree with "a few ideas", the cops don't need to take home their cars because we all know they drive their families around in them on personal time. I know that if I call for an officer, they tell me that the kids will be gone by the time they get there. So they don't send one. I could call or go to the resturant and get one first on my own.We need to get back to neighborhood schools, the kids need the workout because they only have gym once a week now. Why DOES the city have to buy the old Gates lot? So it can sit vacant like everything else? They city needs to scale back just like everyone else and live with what they already have. Get rid of the extra secrateries and all the "fluff".

Posted by: LUCY Location: S B on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM
O DONT CLOSE THE SKATE BOARD THING IT IS NEEDED MORE THAN ANY THING ELSE IN THE PARK DEPT.

Posted by: taxpayer on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:01 PM
SCARE TACTICS. Scare the public with your layoff threats and closing rec centers. I did not read anything about giving up take home cars, pay cuts for the Mayor, trips to Germany, and top assistants I would much rather give up the planters and light, and the Gates building to save a few jobs. Lets take a real look at spending, the budgets, and what we really need and stop the scare tactics. The Mayor keeps saying we have a low option tax. He forgets to mention we pay wheel tax, a higher property tax, and we also get to pay an extra 1% sales tax. If we are going to paint a picture lets paint the whole picture.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:55 PM
Work began Monday on an $840,000 improvement project on Michigan Street....mmmmmm use this $$$$$$... Mayor....

Posted by: Harvey Korman on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:19 PM
That's Hedley

Posted by: Ed Location: Elkhart County on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Hate to say this but you got what you voted (asked)for. I would like to feel sorry for the people of St Joe county and South Bend but it is hard to do that when you keep vote these worthless morons back into office just because they're Democrats. Funny how other counties in the area don't seem to have the money problems you do. Bauer and Luecke is apparently real good at sucking up to the right voters and businessmen. It is past time to pull your head out of the political party sand and vote for people that will do the job right no matter what party the are affiliated with.

Posted by: John Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:39 PM
1.1% PROPERTY TAX, we are one of two counties in the state that pay more than anyone else with the GOV's. new plan. It's not Mitch's fault that our local government is in shambles. South Bend needs to get rid of this good ol' boy system once and for all. Go ahead and raise income tax on us Steve, I wonder if your followers will re-elect you after this. Maybe if you keep renaming streets you'll be saved.

Posted by: JoN DoE Location: south bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:57 PM
I personally blame Phil StClair and Randy Nowacki because I'm a golfer and they have ruined the golf around town here, it's become so much about money that they forgot how to treat customers. It's my understanding that golf is way down this season and I also have to assume that massive amounts of money go into the "general parks fund" from the city golf courses, so I'm really not suprised that the Parks dept is losing money like they are. Phil StClair should be fired. Elbel GC has 5 people working in the Pro Shop at times, 4 do nothing, and even if not nothing they definately aren't doing anything 1 person couldn't do. In the past few years several positions have been created that shouldn't have been. Med-High paying positions such as "course manager" which should be the Pros job, but no, they have 2 people to do the job of 1. "Director of golf" another waste so someone can have a high paying job doing what the pros should be doing together. The Parks dept is wasteful, I Blame Phil !!!

Posted by: Caitie Location: Granger on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:33 PM
I am the daughter of a firefighter. I hear first hand what they do every day, how hard they work, and I know how little they are paid. It is frustrating to hear that those firefighters that will be loosing their jobs are some of the very firefighters my father trained. You don't do the job because you want to get rich, you do the job to help people. And suddenly the answer to the budget crisis is to pull some of these hard working men and women from what they love. It is so frustrating to see this happen since all I have ever wanted was to be a South Bend Firefighter and work along side my father and so many of the men I grew up around.

Posted by: beth Location: home on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:33 PM
I THINK ONE THING WE COULD DO, IS TAKE ALL THE RECIPIENTS OF WELFARE AND DRUG TEST THEM, IF THEY FAIL, THEY DONT GET THE HAND OUT, IF THEY DO PASS, THEN THEY CAN HELP KEEP THE CITY CLEAN, IF THEY ARE ABLE, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT. BUT I WORK IN PUBLIC AND I CAN SAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM DONT NEED IT, THEY CAN AND ARE ABLE TO WORK, SO WHY DONT THEY? IS IT BEING LAZY OR IS IT JUST THAT THE SYSTEM LETS THEM GET AWAY WITH IT? I KNOW I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS TO GO TO THEM. THERE ARE TONS OF OTHER THINGS TO CUT BESIDES ALL THE CHILDREN THINGS, THE CHILDREN NEED THESE, OTHERWISE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ALOT MORE CRIME HAPPENING AT ALOT YOUNGER AGE THAN IT IS NOW. AND MORE,BECAUSE OF THE CUT IN POLICE FORCE. HOW ABOUT THE MAYOR AND OTHER REPS. CUTTING THEIR PAY, A LITTLE. I have a few more ideas but not enough room.

Posted by: Eric Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:22 PM
I don't understand why people are so upset about all these cut backs. What did you think would happen? People complained about property tax, they cut them, so now they have to make budget cuts. I just hope that the property tax cut doesn't make people lose there job especially during a slow economy.

Posted by: Cathy Location: St Joe county on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:17 PM
Politicians... When they want to grab more of our money, the FIRST thing they do is tell us how the CHILDREN will have to suffer. If they weren't wasting so much of the money already, they wouldn't have to pretend these are the only cuts available. We pay for recycling... they get a cut of the PROFIT!?! These people are adept at juggling the books. Don't tell us our kids will suffer... tell us how you're going to make ACTUAL responsible decisions!

Posted by: Ambush Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:00 PM
I think the mayor should make some major cuts The Charles Black Center and The Martin Luther Ceter is a great start because really what are they doing for the kids it sem like its more for the ADULTS to hang out at and the workers not to mention any names think its there on personal building I have never notice any kids there for the AFTER SCHOOL homework room.Honestly they need all new workers to get the place together and that really care for the kids and thats trying to help them

Posted by: John Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:48 PM
Wow, with less police on the streets can you imagine what good news that is for crime to migrate to our area? Why are people who actually pay their property taxes having to hear this junk? If our county/city is in such despair let's place toll booths along the state line (especially by Niles). It's not like there's much for South Bend residents to go there for, but the number of Michigan license plates here tells another story. Oh, and while we're at it, let's tax Michigan or whoever is responsible for the name "Michiana."

Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:31 PM
When we're about ready to be over taxed again they always say "it's for the children"...let them stay home in their own yards.Enough is enough...can anyone say revolution...I'm ready.

Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:48 PM
WNDU, are you looking at these posts? Looks like a vast majority are calling for a further look into the luecke administration. You are a neews organization - why don't you look into any of this up at the 14th Floor of the County City Building and answer our questions??

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Fine, Luecke. We call your bluff. Lay off everyone necessary. Go ahead. I dare you.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Projects like this don't usually come from the general funds the city uses to pay bills and people. It comes from grants from the federal or state government. They say we're giving away $X for things like city beautification or something. Someone in the city applies for that grant and says we'd like to this and this and here's how much we need. They either get the money, a portion of it or none of it. Then they have to spend the money on that project. It's not the same money as the city's budget so the 2 have nothing to do with one another. That doesn't make it a wise way to spend the money but it's not like the city could take this $840K and pay for police salaries with it. Additionally, if it is a grant, the money was going to be spent somehwere. I guess I'd rather have it be spent in my community rather than somewhere else.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:28 PM
I don't think the city provides the homeless shelter with any money. If it is, it's minimal as 90 - 95% of their budget is federal and donations. Lay off the city attorney? Ummmm, why? Do you think that the city doesn't need an attorney?

Posted by: Glad I don't live in SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:22 PM
South Bend need to get rid of their Mayor.......Maybe they wouldn't have all these problems.....

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Is there some sort of local media blackout on Luecke's trip to Germany, or did I just miss something? Can anyone answer that question? I would think in a small media market like this, with endless copycat news stories, that a news organization might want to scoop their competition...

Posted by: TheHonestOne Location: SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:08 PM
If you think crime is bad now, wait until they start closing pools, parks, rec rooms etc. Than we will read what all the racist people have to type in the forums, and blast the black people, but unlike the woman who killed her baby, in the news now. YOU read NO comments of hanging her, locking her up and throwing away the key, how she was raised or anything as disgusting as you would if she was black. Now the city is cutting back on things that help keep the decent kids out of trouble. I bet you my next check, they won't touch anything in the white areas. Wait and see.

Posted by: A few ideas Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:05 PM
The police do not need cars that they take home when they are off duty, the city does not need to buy the Gates car lots and turn them into parking for the few people that go to the Silver Hawks games. Let the Football Hall of Fame move to Atlanta and have them reimburse the citizens of South Bend for the public funds used to fund that train wreck. Reduce the number of students that are bused to the public schools, lord knows that could use the exercise, or let their parents pay for passes for them to ride the publicly funded and under utilized Transpo system. Sorry for rambling. But these are just few of my ideas.

Posted by: mark on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:03 PM
just another reason I MOVED OUT OF SOUTH BEND. THE SCHOOLS DELINE, THE CITY DECLINES THE AREA SUCKS

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Allen is assuming the Honorable Mayor Luecke can read.

Posted by: mark on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:48 PM
but the city is buying property arouynd the stadium, and anywhere else it cn, but can't keep running? stop buying places that are crap and will not help. fix the badlands in south bend and stop buying it all up, so no revenue is there. for example, the glow wormwas destryed, wht is there? grass. what did it solve? the owners of the place paid taxes ...........

Posted by: Tim Location: SouthBend on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Its good to see that reduction in City Employees is finally on the table. Its been too long. When will I hear about wasting gas driving police cars home?

Posted by: Dave Location: SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:04 PM
I took a look at the budget and would some please explain to me why the City of South Bend is spending $1.4 million on the College Football Hall of Fame. I thought I remember the county auditor shooting off his mouth about all the fat was cut from the budget. How about they cut the Hall of Fame and keep the fire fighters and police. Ladies and gentlemen it is time that we all showed up to the counsel meetings and voice our concerns about this mess.

Posted by: Hedy Lamar on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:59 PM
"me" is right. We should put up a toll booth like on Blazing Saddles for everyone that enters the county. Then we can build a fake South Bend, but everyone would think it's the real South Bend. We can even use fake people, like Steve Luecke.

Posted by: Fred on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Dustin, why do other cities not have a problem with the property tax reduction? That is, except some heavily democrat-run cities.

Posted by: Jenny Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:08 PM
AND ANOTHER THING -- Why are we cutting police force jobs because we lack the budget, but spending 800 thousand dollars to "beautify Main Street". Flowers may be pretty, but 6 or more cops out on the street would certainly make me feel safer.

Posted by: To Dustin Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:05 PM
Dustin I agree with a lot of what you said. There are different funds for different things. I especially support the Ditch Mitch part but to raise taxes is the easy answer to problems. Maybe these ELECTED officials need to work like this is their election year and try learning from other counties on what they are doing. Notice that Marion County does not have the financial problems we do. WHY? The Mayor will NEVER get re-elected ... just like the governor. People are not idiots and they remember these things.

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:01 PM
OMG....What greenhouses??? are you talking about the one at the Potty-wannabe-zoo..they one that nobody goes to because of no parking lot and is closed all the time. Close the zoo.?...where will the people go to see dead or dying animals? If they close the Potty-wannabe-pool then the kids in River Park can go and harrass more teachers and citizens. I say close the old folks center...they can play bingo at a church. Oh, Please Mr. Mayor don't huff and puff and blow the house down. Less Cops...More Crime....less firemen...More fires....Maybe the National Guard can patrol the streets and fight the fires? People and citizens of South Bend you had better wear your hip boots for the Mayor is really slinging it!

Posted by: Islander Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Mayor Stevie is using public safety as a bargaining chip to bring to the table b/c SBPD and SBFD are in contract negotiations. I'm a SBfirefighter and I feel I do not NEED a raise. I budget my home life accordingly. I live within my budget. The city needs to do the same. I think cuts can be made in the SBFD but DO NOT cut manpower on 24 hour shift personnel. DO NOT cut PD. It would be political suicide. Why does the mayor have 3 assistants when the Indy mayor has 1. PD and FD have just now relatively caught up to state average when it comes to public safety pay. We're the 4th largest city and 52nd in pay. I'm not calling for a raise. I do not need one. However, Joey K. promised and promised and never came through. Stevie finally caved in his 9th year!! Where is all the money going?

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:40 PM
I love it this news media shows the innocent faces i.e. children and seniors cuts like this would hurt. How about showing the faces of the fat cats in government who can keep thier business as usual fat lifestyles if these cuts were made. Put them side by side and ask the question who would you rather see stay and go.

Posted by: Kathy Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:30 PM
It is about time that the city start tightening their belts. If it means no city pools or parks, that I guess it just has to be. As a retiree - we are on a fixed income, when prices or taxes go up, we have to do without things. I feel badly for the children being deprived of these activities, however, perhaps the city could charge those that wish to use the facilities - much like they charge for playing golf - in other words, those using the services pay for it. We don't have to hand the world to our children on a silver platter.

Posted by: Allen Location: southbend on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:24 PM
it does show how narrow minded this administration is. There are alot of good ideas here, maybe the mayor should take some time and read some of them

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Mayor Luecke Please make the following cuts and stop scaring the poor people. 1. Close Covelski stadium. 2. Close the Football Hall of Shame. 3. Close South Bend regional airport 4. Stop buying property to make vacant lots. 5. Stop all out of town trips(including Germany). 6. Eliminate your unnessary assistants. 7. Layoff city attorney and assistant attorney and/or city council attorney. 8. Work with homeless shelters to insure those staying are from the immediate area and not importing crime as in the past. It would be helpful for you to ride with the police officers on the west side on the second or third shift. You might then have a better idea on how to improve the city rather than changing the name of Michigan Street for the enshrinement.

Posted by: Joe Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Tax Notre Dame? You are an idiot. Without Notre Dame, South Bend would be a crappier (and smaller) town than it already is. Have you taken a drive down ND Ave lately? What about Eddy St.? South Bend already gets tax money from Notre Dame as a result of all of the projects ND works on. Why would you want to tax IUSB? It's a public school, moron. Maybe instead of creating new ways to tax people, they should cut back on spending and stop wasting money. Sell a bunch of the useless properties and demo/resell the vacant houses. Cutting police is just stupid, many people avoid living in this city already, people will move out even quicker if their getting shot at!

Posted by: Te Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:12 PM
If they were serious about cutting down on spending they'd retire the scool resource officer at Washington High School and his patrol car. He just sits there, even now during summer.

Posted by: Very Broke Location: still sorry to say South Bend, but happy with my neighbors on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:11 PM
This forum has FANTASTIC IDEAS and kudos to all of you who post them--they are fantastic common sense approaches and make me proud to be your neighbor!!

Posted by: Very Broke Location: sorry to say South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Mayor Luecke--why don't you listen and talk to people like the ones on this forum, the Tribune's, and the one on Ch. 22s. There are some VERY GOOD points being made here, common sense approaches that certainly would work. If you are voted in to office then you OWE it to the people who have elected you to LISTEN and WORK FOR US. Seriously, if the common person is skipping their prescription medications to purchase gas to go to work, or losing their good paying job during this recession, or going on welfare for the first time, or taking a second job, or losing their home from crooked mortgage lending and/or outrageous property taxes, then SERIOUSLY--do you think that we have any more money to give????? Listen to common sense here, LISTEN TO US!!!!! It is the same in any election-they tell you what you want to hear then IGNORE you when they get in to office! Keep in mind kids w/out activities = kids in to crime-the city already has a bad reputation for that, don't make it worse!

Posted by: me again Location: here on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Start taxing Notre Dame, IUSB, Bethel - - start charging a food / beverage tax to EVERYONE (including out of town visitors), not a higher income tax for those of us stuck here. We'll be in better shape.

Posted by: Erin Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Can anyone verify who paid for Luecke and his entourage to go to Germany? Was any of his trip spent trying to woo businesses to our area? Also, can anyone give me the number of deputy mayors he has and why? My temper starts to flare a bit more when I consider the lack of leadership he provides and where his proposed cuts leave our police officers and firefighters. If cuts are made and a firefighter or police officer is killed due to a lack of backup and the city has millions of dollars invested in lots that are still vacant, I want our mayor to have to explain to the widow/widower's face about the decisions he has made to line the pockets of friends and donors...

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I vote for Buford!

Posted by: Devil's Advocate Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:38 PM
SO, whose going to be the first one to storm city hall, protest, throw a brick, do something revolutionay? None of you, we're an apathetic society, so go about your lives, and pay your taxes. Don't like that idea? Then grow a set and do something, but it has to be more than just words, because the politicians could care less about your words.

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Good morning, Dustin, finally wake up from your mid-morning nap? TIF money doesn't have to be used to fund a Silverhawks monopoly on local entertainment; "Infrastructure" covers a lot of ground. South Bend has a huge proportion of publicly owned (read: non-revenue-producing) real estate, and continues to buy more, and is also investing in a new facade for the WNIT building, another tax-exempt entity. Luecke has no idea what he's doing, and no fear of losing an election in the democrat stronghold that is South Bend. IMO I think Daniels has written off the entire area as a bastion of Old-Boy Cronyism with no forward thinking leaders. It's a good thing the rest of the state isn't so regressed.

Posted by: Willie Location: Niles on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM
If the local government morons cut all the listed programs, what will there be left to do in South Bend??? Why would anyopne want to live there??? Oh, wait a minute, there are still The Silverhawks! Maybe this is just Stephen J. Kernan Jr.'s way of ensuring good attendance numbers at the ball park.....

Posted by: james on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:45 AM
we are going to cut programs,yet we are going to buy flags for downtown. go figure.

Posted by: Buford Location: Wyatt on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Maybe these are scare tatics. Maybe they aren't. But it's the tax and spend Demopublicans we elect at all levels of government. People in South Bend think that because there is a "D" with your name, you can't do anything wrong politically. And the "R" candidates are just as bad. But we choose to elect these people. Some of you are asking for new ideas. You are not going to get them voting for a "D" or "R". We need people that don't owe anything to a political party. We need leadership, not lemmings. Have the prisoners clean up the parks. I think most people know how to cut grass. Teach our youth how to grow plants and take care of a pool. We have a great opportunity to use our young people to help make our city better and give them job training as well. The training could continue during the school year as well. We need to think outside the box, not in out little Demopublican mind set.

Posted by: Dustin Location: Mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:41 AM
People, stop and think. At the most basic level, what politician is going to vote to cut police and fire (two of the most basic services) unless they absolutely have to? That is political dynamite. No one wants to touch it, but they have to. Also, budget money and TIF money are two different things. TIF money is tax money paid in that district, like the Michigan Street corridor. TIF money can only be used to improve infrastructure in that area, meaning sidewalks, streets, etc... That is state law. It cannot be used to hire more cops or firemen. These cuts would have to be made regardless of who is in office, regardless of political Party. Yeah, remember to vote. Vote to Ditch Mitch! This is his property tax plan.

Posted by: ms Location: sb on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:27 AM
It's time for pay cuts and staff reductions. Not pleasant but a reality check. More places are doing it so why not SB. Go to 32 hour work weeks and stagger the schedule so a staff member is at work. May not be pleasant for city workers but at least they'd still have a job. And to make it even fairer lets start with the mayor - cut his pay by 20% and request that he at least put in 32 hours. I doubt he puts in half the time he should. Then workers making 30-40K cut them by 15%; 20-30K cut by 10% and anything lower cut by 5%. I would think there would be money now. Leave fire and police alone - we're going to need them more than ever. Think county should look into reducing wages too! If mayor is so worried about his budget put it out here and let us help you figure out where to cut. Let us have a say - we are the ones paying for it. Don't threaten us - you work for us - or so I thought.

Posted by: carrie Location: SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Tom, that's a good idea! That would help keep the trouble makers out of the park! However, how would it be enforced? If we have to cut the police by 40 officers then who would check for the passes to the parks? Maybe, we could have the CVO's do it since I really don't see them doing anything else!

Posted by: Melissa Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Mayor McCheese has done it again! Remember to VOTE!!!

Posted by: Tom Location: CT on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:55 AM
Why doesn't the park system institute a USER FEE? This works for most towns in Connecticut. People buy a sticker and post it on their car to be able to use the park. Cars found in the park without the sticker get a HUGE TICKET. South Bend operates under the liberal formula that makes everyone pay for these things. A conservative approach would make people pay for what they use. Then, the least popular attractions can be closed and sold, or be taken over by a private group (as the conservatories and greenhouses might be).

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:45 AM
How much did the city pay for Luecke's trip to Germany?

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:43 AM
A prior post mentioned this and it is the truth... DON'T allow these SCARE TACTICS by the mayor work. He wants to justify the hike in our INCOME TAX. If we don't start cutting back now, it will be worse later. Let some jobs go, and keep our Income tax where it is at. LET'S be SMART people, the mayor does not think we are!

Posted by: Jared Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Everything is so botched up in this area. We already pay MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE STATE FOR PROPERTY TAX. Now they want to raise our income tax! When I read the mayor's proposals he always mentions being creative to save money. How is making St. Joseph County residents spew more money out of their pocket than any other county in the state creative?!

Posted by: Les Location: Mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:35 AM
Bet! Call their bluff. Will the mayor threaten to take the Silver Hawk away next? O NO! You all know that the South bend regional airport will not survive the airline crises. So what is left then? These things do not matter to me, I do not live in South Bend or fly. It is a shadow of things to come to Mishawaka though. All I hear and see is crying over split milk. Get over it! Where are the visionaries? People with IDEAS. I think the last time someone in South Bend had a NEW idea was when Studebaker went from covered wagons to cars. The mayors great idea is to close the river? That's forward thinking, and just think of the money saved. That will most surly keep the city going. Close the parks? Just how do you do that? Do you fence them off? What did they think was going to happen when all the jobs were gone? So go ahead and lay off those police and firemen (BLUFF). With the money saved you'll be able to tune South Bend into a ghost town.

Posted by: Concerned City Parks Worker /Parent Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:34 AM
I can not imagine SB without facilities for kids!! They are already living in a horrible day and time -- it is nothing like it use to be in society and they need those programs as an outlet! There are enough wealthy people in SB for this not to happen to our future--our children!! We all have to pull together as a volunteer and keep things going. And LORD HELP US if they get rid of some of SB's finest!! The city will be in trouble, the kids will amuck! Didn't we take a hard enough hit letting Dr. Z go from SBCSC?? Paying him thousands but the teachers that we need to keep these kids in line work w/o a contract?? We have got to get this together!!

Posted by: Erica Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:34 AM
Good point Andrew, the seasoned librarians do seem to have a lazy chip on their shoulder. My understanding is that the renovations and the new library being built is done so with money that was specifically meant for that. HOWEVER, with a new library I am guessing that the positions needed there are going to be paid out of the tax payers pocket. How can our government overlook such an obvious issue. If we can't afford the staffs we have now to the point where we are closing the libraries on the weekend, how can we afford to add new positions period?

Posted by: Andrew Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:29 AM
I think cuts should be made in the St. Joseph County Libraries. Branches now have the self check out system so it is sensible to cut atleast one Librarian from each branch. The other week when I was at Center Branch I asked the librarian if she could check out my books and I had a question for her about DVD rentals. Her response to me was, "I'll answer your question but you can use one of those machines to check out." If this is the case, I think they need to force some retirements- too lazy to check out books for me? $15.00 an hour, let's start snippin!

Posted by: sandy Location: south bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Isn't it ironic that the same day we are going to close parks and lay off police and firemen is the same day we learn South Bend is spending $840,000 to make Michigan Street beautiful.I'm very tired of the scare tactics to get more money out of the poor people of South Bend. People have no more money to give. The United Stated is in an economic crises. We need people who will manage our tax moneys for the good of the people. I am also curious where all the property tax money went from last year. All St. Joseph County Departments had to take a 7% cut in their budgets but the cuircut breaker tax relief did not go into effect. Everyone I know paid more in property taxes. Where did this extra money from the budget cuts and the higher property taxes get wasted?

Posted by: Darren Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:19 AM
While I appreciate the work the South Bend Police Department does, I can't argue against cutting 40 positions. I see more South Bend officers patrolling out in Mishawaka than in South Bend! If there aren't as many officers on the department, they'll be forced to work in South Bend and maybe we'll see less crime.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Norm, are you nuts? Do you work for free? I expect to be paid for everything I do at work and the idea that people shouldn't is ludicrous. As for volunteering, if you'd liek to step up, I'm sure they'd love to have your help.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:08 AM
Well I found the budget and it's nto greta looking. 53% of the money in it is for fire and PD. Parks is 11%. Economic development is 21% and much of that is bond payments which we can't stop making. Bottom line, businesses used to pay a huge chunk of the taxes. Mitch stopped that. They used to pay inventory tax and pay a maximum of 3.5% property tax which is now 3%. Since 2000 they have eliminated 95 positions. I'm no Leucke apologist and think he needs to get rid of his assitants and some fluff. But bottom line, there's no way to cut out enough fluff to pay for the cuts they're talkign about making. Taxes will have to go up quite a bit to cover it. I'm in favor of taxes on dining out, sporting events, concerts, etc. Stuff that is more luxury based rather than necesseties. Eating out is nice but hardly a requirement. I suspect we'll see a combination of cuts and new taxes. Budget is here: http://www.southbendin.gov/weblink7/Browse.aspx?dbid=0&startid=1214

Posted by: Tom Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:02 AM
According to lueckes campaign ad crime is down 37% we should be able to cut the police dept by that percentage with no problem.how about st joseph county metro homicide(there were no homicides in the county last year)yet we paid for a facility for these officers to sit on their thumbs all year.how about all of the properties the city has acquired using taxpayer money.They are using scare tactics to try to convince us that they need to put another tax burden on us.

Posted by: Rob on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:35 AM
Wait untill they take 40 cops and 53 firefighters off the streets, it won't be safe enough to use those parks!

Posted by: Bobbi Location: Mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I wonder what the budget looks like. What are they keeping? I bet if some citizens had the option of combing over the budget we might be able to find some other things that we believe could be let go of instead. Isn't it posted on the city website somewhere? I think it might worth a look.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:26 AM
If you wanted cuts in "the fat" folks, looks liek you're going to get them. Cutting cops and firefighters is just plain nuts. Does anyone know if we can download a detailed budget and a budget summary for the city and county? If so, where?

Posted by: Anon Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:26 AM
53 firefighters and 40 policemen! Are they crazy? Maybe they should start at the top and then work their way down. A lot of dead weight (and money) is at the top - starting with the mayor.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:23 AM
Hey WNDU, thanks for scaring everyone with your dooms day news story! You wrote this story making it sound like these cuts are definite, then you put a little blurb at the end saying, "Well these are just proposed cuts". Don't worry! The working man in this town will come to the rescue again with more "proposed" new taxes. I'm sure some things will be cut, but its just not possible to cut 25% of the cities public safety services. We would need the national guard in this town!

Posted by: CityEmployee Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:17 AM
This is the result of irresponsible spending by the dem machine that has been in power in South Bend for the last 40 years. And the foolishness continues . . .hizhonner can cut 53 firefighters and 40 police officers, yet he can throw a mere $1.5 mil to enhance "mayor joe's field of dreams." Does anyone else see a problem with that. If moron's inc. knew how to attract businesses here, South Bend wouldn't be in this shape. Nice job boys - go rub each others shoulders down at the westside democratic club for another fine effort . . .maybe kernan can give luecke an eye gouge while luecke pulls out b. pat's "hair" . . . nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

Posted by: Mr. Sarcasm on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Just please don't cut the mayor's next trip to Germany. That meant so much to all of us. I can't imagine not knowing about all that happened...errr, uhhh, what did happen?

Posted by: Bob on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:05 AM
Hold on to your hats, Citizens. This is just the first step in Mayor Looky's quest to raise taxes. Step 1, frighten citizens into thinking all public services will be reduced or eliminated, then raise local income tax. All that really needs to be done is to require a substantially reduced workforce to put in an honest day's pay. Walk through the County City building any day, or observe a road worksite, and you'll see more people wandering aimlessly, chatting, "taking a break," etc., and don't get me started on what you might see in Germany . . .

Posted by: Tax payer Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:00 AM
This government is a joke. Hit the areas that help the kids which will result in more crime and end up costing the tax payers more. Why not cut costs at the top where all the fat resides instead of threatening the taxpayers with things that benefit the kids. Bottom line is that the politicians in St. Joseph County have had a very lush and easy life and they are going to attack whomever they can to keep it ... even the kids.

Posted by: Mishawaka Resident Location: Mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:57 AM
Funy that of the 800 plus "support" people that work at the county city building seem safe, only those who people actually need and want as part of our Gov are being cut. This is simply a scare tactic on Heir Lueke's part to raise our taxes to support his appetite for money. Did anyone ask him how he enjoyed his trip to Germany on taxpayer money? Seems like that could have been cut, but that would not support his needs.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:40 AM
What about the new LOIT? and Public Safety Tax?

Posted by: WOW Location: SB on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:30 AM
53 ff's and 40 pd. Think about this SB has 11 engine companies (3 ff per) 4 ladder companies (3 ff per) 1 rescue (3 ff per} 4 ambulances (2 ff per) 2 batallion chiefs and 1 safety officer (minimum staffing set by OSHA and NFPA and contract). This equals 63 ff's per shift. Pd usually has 20-30 on duty just in patrol. While cuts are needed the residents in SB are looking to have 1 out of 3 days with no fire coverage and 1 8 hour shift with no pd. Maybe the great gov. will allow us to vote on when we wont get coverage for pd and fire and still be able to rationalize why the football hall of fame as well as other black hole projects are still going but we cant afford to keep our best and 1st line of defense going. They say it is a different budget, but don't "they" always rob peter to pay paul???

Posted by: Sick and Tired Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:26 AM
What a sad time we live in that the city pays millions for a building only to demolish it and spend more to re-build the entrance to a baseball stadium they can't ever fill and that does little to impact or improve the lives of the people who live here while the parks department is forced to close rec centers in areas that need them the most and programs that keep kids fed and active during the summer months. Perhaps Mr. St. Clair could re-prioritize and put tax money where the tax payers really need it instead of putting over $50k into yet another unneccessary department director position. The powers that be need to take a look at the budget and make sure our tax dollars are being utilized to our benefit. Quality of life is one big reason why people move to a city to live-with these cuts we are looking at living in a city with very little quality of life left, unless you include a half full minor league baseball stadium. It's no wonder people are flocking like locusts to Mishawaka.

Posted by: MARK Location: SOUTH BEND on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:50 AM
WHY NOT CUT ALL THE SECRETARIES FROM THE BIG SHOTS,(HOW MANY DO THEY NEED ANYWAYS) LET THEM DO THEIR OWN WORK, AND LET THEM PAY FOR THEIR OWN GAS, AND USE THEIR OWN CARS, STOP TAKE HOME CARS INSTEAD OF LOOSING MORE POLICE, THESE POLITICAL PEOPLE HAVE IT TOO GOOD, MAKE THEM WORK FOR THEIR BUCKS JUST LIKE WE DO!

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Posted by: Moved Out Of Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:42 AM
80% of the budget cuts are politics imposing fear on residents. Heres an option and its not a TAX. Lets put an admission charge to the parks. Lets face it most of the riff raff go to the parks because it is free causing vandalism, destruction and crime that we have long paid for. Trouble wont come to the parks and they will have money to operate and the people who cant afford it are mostly not from around here taking handouts and I have no problem sending them back. Quit scaring the general public and become more fiscally responsible. Lets face it Steve you need to step down because you have tore down history, imported more crime and drugs, and spent money like water.

Posted by: Tracie Location: South Bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:23 AM
How incredibly sad. I wish there was an easy solution. Michiana has a hard enough attracting families to live here. Offering no recreational activities, besides plunking down money at the shopping centers, is only going to decrease the appeal of this area. It is especially sad for the underprivledged kids who rely on the Centers for support and fun. How does the city plan to attract people to the Eddy Street Commons and the new technology investments (with Notre Dame) when it cannot offer the quality of life people deserve? Also, this is an entire Michiana problem, not just a South Bend problem: we grow or fall together in attracting jobs and keeping our college graduates in the area.

Posted by: dustin Location: sb on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:17 AM
how did we pay for this stuff about three years ago before they rised the property taxs on hard work people. they should tax people how make 100,000 a year more.and leave the poor man alone.

Posted by: Rob Location: Granger on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:09 AM
What a surprise. Rather than cutting wasteful and unneccessary spending and taking a hard look at the entire budget the city starts it's negative PR campaign with discussion of cutting those things popular with most of the public. Oh, and the fire and police will be cut too so in addition to a lack of recreation you won't be protected from the riffraff wandering about with nothing to do. This is a tired old formula practiced by city leaders with no vision or imagination. They do it because they aren't accountable to anyone and they know it works. God forbid the city would have to live within its means like its citizens have to. They'll have South Bend residents begging for more taxes eventually. What a bunch of losers.

Posted by: norm Location: mishawaka on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:07 AM
again the senior citizens and children have to suffer again. there is no reason why we should have to cut our police force by 40. just look at all the murders we are having. i dont think the peopleof south bend mind paying more for safety. as far as the fire dept. why cant the insurance companies carry some of the load for the house and other fires that happen in the community. as far as the park and rec. dept. why cant there be some voulenteers to help run the programs if the people that are working for these programs why cant they donate some of there time to these programs. you shouldnt expect to be paid for everything you do. how did they run these programs 20,30,even 40 years ago maybe we need to look at that and come up with some better ideas instead of closing the door on the senior citizens and children of south bend.what about setting up committees to set up groups of people that live around the parks and have voulenteers. maintain the parks that should save the city some money

Posted by: worried mom Location: south bend on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:44 AM
It just gives everyone another reason to leave south bend because the lack of interest the city has for families.

Posted by: Ernie Location: Granger on Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15 AM
OMG!!!! Should I be afraid???


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