Elkhart smoking ban to tear apart families?
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First day of ban goes smoothly
Posted: 6:25 PM May 15, 2008
Last Updated: 7:11 PM May 15, 2008
Reporter: Mark Peterson
Email Address: mpeterson@wndu.com

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Today, life changed in and around Elkhart, as the city imposed a ban on smoking in public places.

The new ordinance forced some of the affected parties to make some tough choices.

For instance, one business that had catered to families for 28-years has now been forced to ban kids.

In order to keep smoking in the bar, Crimaldi’s restaurant had to kick kids out of a nearby smoke free dining room.

“I just want to say I’m very sorry for the families that cannot come in here anymore,” said Gail Bope. “We've had children come here since they were babies and they've grown, that have babies again, and those babies can't come in.”

At the Main Street Cafe, there was no way to keep the doors open to smokers. The ash trays were placed in bags and stored in the back room. The fear was that business would be slow.

“I guess I expected not to see some of my regulars that smoke, and perhaps a slower day or at least a slower week, but we’ve been packed all day, business is good,” said Julie Pietrzak.

John Gulmyer was eating at the corner table at the Main Street Cafe. He said he comes to the restaurant three or four days a week and that the smoking ban won’t change his behavior. “I’ll still come here,” Gulmyer said.

Meantime, at The Happy Cooker Cafe they were even happier than usual. Thanks to their location in Elkhart County they moved a bit closer to monopolizing the market on diners who smoke.

“The smoking ban is from State Road 19-which is a half a mile to our left, and two miles to our right, (at the St. Joseph County line) so smoking is available here,” said Teresa Batts.

The cafe is now surrounded by, but out of the jurisdiction of two smoking bans.

As a result, it’s one of the few places left, where smoking is allowed.

“They are getting fewer and far between now,” said cafe customer Kevan Radar.

City officials say there were no reported violations of the smoking ban during day one.

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Posted by: dave Location: elkhart on Jun 21, 2008 at 01:30 PM
HA HA HA! talk about biased reporting.... the ban is TEARING apart families.... ha ha! smoking is killing your family! give me a break.

Posted by: MissMM Location: Elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Rapid, this is MiSSmm again. And yes, I would still go to the Happy Cooker if they were to become smoke-free. The food is that good. And actually I will go to a couple little neighborhood "joints" because we know the owners and, you are right, I shouldn't hurt them for something they didn't do. But for the majority of them: if I have a choice to go to Happy Cooker for breakfast or lunch instead of city places, I will "usually" pick it. I didn't even know about the place until I read this article. So, that being said, hope I answered your question, ok. :)

Posted by: missmm Location: elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Rapid, first I want to say that I am "MISSMM" not "MISMM". I don't know how someone else came up with a name almost identical, but I was not the one who said you were confrontational. My only other post was the one you see below at 3:38. I don't know who the MisMM (one s) is from 2:53. And I didn't even think you were being confrontational.... just asking me a question. Hope this clears it up. MISSMM (TWO S's)

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 23, 2008 at 04:14 PM
OK, now was that so hard? The Government has told people how to run thier business for a long time now. Let's see, health regulations, workers rights, tax codes, etc, etc. All things imposed by your Government. It just seems that if you were so worried about the business owners you would stand up for them on all matters not just smoking issues. Furthermore our county commissioners are blowing smoke up your rear if you belive that mess for one hot second. BS talk is all that is, they are waiting to see how Goshen, Elkhart and St. Joe do as far as business being hurt or not hurt. Which as I recall hearing, most of the places in Elkhart that were worried about losing business have actually gained more than before. I don't think it is fair for you to leave the places you used to go to, you are hurting the people you so cared about for before the ban, what gives? Still, you danced around the question, when the Happy Cooker goes smoke free WILL YOU STILL PATRONIZE IT???

Posted by: missMM Location: elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Rapid, first of all, the Happy Cooker (r anywhere outside city limits) has nothing to worry about for a long time, if ever. Our county commissioners have made it very clear that they do not believe government has the right to tell a business owner how to run his or her business; that people have choices to enter or not. The commissioners show wisdom and respect, something the city officials know nothing about. And yes, I choose to go to the County when I go out now. To go to a business that has been forced to go smokefree -- regardless of who made the decision -- is saying "this ban is OK." Which it is not. It is hoped that with the loss of business (revenue for the city) they would reconsider, which would -- in the end -- be the best thing for the owners. To let them have "their" businesses back.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 23, 2008 at 03:30 PM
I just asked you for your opinion MissMM, how is that being confrontational? I am no internet bully, I speak my opinion. So, do you not care to answer that question I asked? Seems like a fair question or did I strike a nerve. I just want to know if you will patronize the Happy Cooker once they are smoke free. Take a pill and calm down. I mean you smokers point fingers at the nons and how we took away your "rights" and how we are so terrible for this ban. But, when I ask a question you all get so defensive, why is that?

Posted by: MisMM on May 23, 2008 at 02:53 PM
Rabid, are you the only one here allowed to have an opinion? The other poster is right, you come here just to be confrantational, and try to bully people. Are you proud of being an internet bully? Just wondering!

Posted by: Another Citizen Location: Elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 02:09 AM
When it comes to allowing or not allowing smoking, it should be up to the private business owner. If you want to go where there is no smoking, then go; if you do not want to go where there is smoking, then don't go. Give everyone a choice. We are not talking about the library, courthouse, hospital, etc., we are talking about a bar/restaurant. There is choice on tv, choice on the radio, choice in the bookstore or newsstand & choice on the internet. Dining out is also a choice. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 08:06 PM
MissMM, I have just one question for you. When the Happy Cooker becomes smoke free, and, it will sooner rather than later. Will you still patronize it or take your business elsewhere? It just seems to me that the smokers have abandoned the places they used to go to in town. The owners of these places did not do this, the City of Elkhart did, why punish the business owners by taking money from them. They supported you all and now you leave them high and dry. That's fine, the 74 percent of the population (non-smoking) will make up for you, as usual. Just like we are forced to pay higher premiums for insurance, to cover the other 26 percent that have smoking related health problems. Just wondering.

Posted by: Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 08:00 PM
You have some serious issues. Good luck with all that! How about 1-800-Im a psych?

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Another thing while I am here. Did you teach your 8 year old to call names "rabies"? You say I am confrontational w/everyone. Uh, not quite three people on this thread have heard from me. Greg did and he knows why and we are OK now. Megan was the second for making a comment to me. And you sir are number three. Boy, you sure got hot about that post I made to you, rub you the wrong way preacher man? Let it go, I am in the mood to rant and you have my attention. BTW, I have three kids 4-8-10 and I teach them all to make thier own choices, on thier own. My kids will learn the dangers of smoking through education not the way you try to do it, forcing down peoples throat.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 06:45 PM
You meant to address William? William or Rabid that is one heck of an error. Sounds more to me like you did not read my post the first time and made an assumption. Sing the praises of non-smoking to your 8 year old, I mean you act like you are talking to children here when you get on soap box. 1-800-quit-now, should be your contact number to quit preaching at people. You are counter productive to people who want to quit, that is your mistake. People are like kids (no offense) the more you tell them they can't do something, you reinforce the action. Leave people alone, they have your number isn't that enough. If they need you they will call. Just admit you did not read my post and assumed I have only tried to quit, it is so obvious by your post that followed mine. You mention it is no cost, right after I post that I paid 50 bucks for my program. Teach your 8 year old the importance of reading comprehension a lesson you should learn as well, have a nice day. Now that was a rant.

Posted by: To Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 05:16 PM
WOW, my mistake; why so confrintational w/everyone? My mistake, I meant to address William, and there is no edit button. Now please, continue you on with your immature ranting with everyone. Sure hope your wife has some thick skin, my 8 year old is more mature in his dialog. Good luck rabies!

Posted by: MissMM Location: Elkhart on May 22, 2008 at 04:33 PM
For you smokers: After reading this article I tried the Happy Cooker on US 33. What a nice surprise! The food was just wonderful and the restaurant was packed with smokers. Some were non-smokers (tolerant non-smokers) as well. People were laughing and having a good time. It was so nice to once again be able to enjoy the freedoms that 9 people in Elkhart decided to take away. Tell all your smoking friends about this great restaurant. I certainly plan to.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Uh, can you read? I QUIT over three years ago and unlike your program, I did not "slip". I don't mind you posting a little info to help, but, you are almost to the point of spamming this board with your recycled posts. I wonder why you decided to adress me on this topic, are you trying to insinuate something. It is people like you who make smokers stay away from getting help. The choice to quit is very personal thing, I had people bug me about it for years and for years I failed to quit. The ONLY way you will ever have a real chance of quitting is if you and only you want to do it. Do not do it for your wife, kids, mom, dad or whatever do it because you WANT to for yourself and for your health.

Posted by: More Info on May 22, 2008 at 07:47 AM
Also, if you go to about.com type in "smoking cessation" you will find more information about smoking and quitting. Also has a great support group there. Check it out!!

Posted by: To Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 07:45 AM
If your'e really serious about quitting. I think we can help. We have helped 1000's to break the chains of this terrible addicition. I know it looks like an impossibility to be a "non smoker", but you can make it happen, and we can help. This is non profit, their is no costs for the class, only bring your desire to quit. We are boasting a 62% for first time quitters, and over 80 that slip and come back. Come join the living, you CAN do this, and we can help. Call 1.800.QUIT.NOW. Good luck, from a ex 25 year two pack a day smoker, it's GREAT to finally be free.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Megan, when you take a shot at me and I fire back, do not cry foul. You earned what you got. Greg, first off, like I said before, take the Mrs. to task yourself. I am not a messenger. Second, you made the first threat as I recall, something about blowing smoke in faces. I also am a grown man and you raised my ire, so prehaps I responded poorly. Now, if that makes you happy, great. I used a group called Gorayeb, I think that is the right spelling. It was 50 dollars and in a group setting. Now, never did I feel like I was "under" at anytime, rather, I was fully aware the whole time. It is one half edu. and one half hypnosis. All I know is it worked for me and I was a 15 plus year smoker, pack or more a day. I never smoked again after this program. They use mental props to erase cravings. They suggest to your mind that when you have a craving, you drink water, that takes the place of the cigarette in the addicted mind. Worked for me, good luck to you however you try, I feel a lot better.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Rabid Irish Fan:Before you think I'm "back peddling",I will make it perfectly clear that I'm not a geek talking smack behind a computer, I'm a grown man who can hanle himself quite well and I'm nowhere near intimidated by you and/or your wife. If you want to bring this back to a more "grown up" level and stop with the threats and name calling,I am willing to comply.I was actualy curious about the hypnosis. I've heard many good things about it and believe it or not,I would cut off my left arm to quit smoking. It's a horrible habit I picked up as a teen because I thought I was "cool".How wrong I was! I have tried several times to quit and have failed and I'm willing to try anything.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Rabid Irish Fan: Correct me if I'm wrong,but did you say my uh-oh place? LOL!!!

Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Actually, Rabid Irish, I'm at the furthest end of the spectrum from a "hippie pacifist" but it must be more comfortable for you to debate issues by calling your opposers names. I instead rely on my intelligent, well-ruminated insights. Maybe you need to learn how big boys talk?

Posted by: To William on May 21, 2008 at 01:51 PM
William, I think you take these discussions way too seriously. I don't really understand why our success upsets you. Sure I'm proud of what we've done, and proud of our quitters. It's a hard, and the most rewarding thing to accomplish. I do care about you, and if you really want to quit, there is help, and you don't have to do it alone. Call 1-800-Quit-Now, and they will help you find one or our classes. One call can change your life, it did mine. Good Luck...

Posted by: Anonymous on May 21, 2008 at 11:43 AM
This is Great News for me,I'm sick and tired of rude smokers invading my clean air with those filthy,nasty,rotten,gross,discusting cigarettes!

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 21, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Yeah, and that comes from someone who would rather let the minority rule. Yeah, you could go to Funny Bone one day week, great a weekday at the bone, fun. Just let people walk on you Megan, I would rather debate the facts and make a change for the greater good. You just want to abide by others rules, good for you, hippie pacificst. I also doubt the U.S. thinks anything about Elkhart, inbreeding or other. Furthermore Megan, this devolved along time ago and it was not me who brought it on. Smokers like to take shots at the nons, I get tired of telling them to tell your local government, they banned it not us.

Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 07:39 AM
Well. Thanks to Rabid Irish and Greg, this has devolved into a school yard bully romp. No wonder the rest of the U.S. thinks Elkhart inbreeds as a rule. I'm going to start omitting the city name from my mail and just go incognito with a zip code. Thanks boys.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 20, 2008 at 05:32 PM
To Rabid Irish Fan and his lovely wife:I'm not going to get in a p***ing match with the two of you, I am very confident that if your wife snached anything out of my hand I would spank the both of you with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth the whole time.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I quit using Hypnosis, best 50 bucks I ever spent. Never had a craving to smoke again EVER and I have been smoke free for almost three years now. If anyone wants to know where I went let me know.

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Well, this has been a hoot, discussing the bane of society; the smokers with their dirty little habit with my friend Professor To; but after this statistic laden discussion on mathematics, his success rate, and the gold standard we learn noone really cares about me? I think I need to have a smoke...pass me a Lucky Strike there bro...

Posted by: To Jennifer on May 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Jennifer, Are you really giving out your email, and telling people we can settle it there? Sure sounds if you have some anger issues also. Guess the apples don't fall too far from eachother in that family tree.

Posted by: To William Location: From: Paul on May 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM
William, speaking of listening skills, or comprehension, the quit meter has NOTHING to do with genetics, phsyical, or mental health. All it counts is how much time, how many cigarrets you don't smoke. Please read it again, I think you are confused. Also, where did I congratulate myself? Also, the success rate of our program is DOUBLE the next organized program of getting people off smoking for one year. Average cold turkey quitter has 7% chance of staying off for one year. Last year, we had a 62% success rate for first time attendee's, and over 80% who took our class again. I would love to have 100%, but we are the gold standard in smoking cessation. As far as you being a smoker or not, who really cares? If you are, the only person you would be lying to is yourself. I'm confident in my facts and opinions of smoking, but me students really like me, and I have a waiting list to get into my classes, so I must be doing something right.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan's Wife Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 07:55 PM
Greg, my husband doesn't need to "check" me and I'm sure he would back me up if you blew smoke in anyone's face and I snatched it out of your hand.

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 19, 2008 at 05:50 PM
To go, Your intention to assist people in their struggle to quit smoking is admirable (even if you must congratulate yourself a little too much). Its your tactics and listening/comprehension skills that need to be improved dude. 1) I agree with your description of the "quit meter" being a tool. A real tool I might add because its conclusions are based on overall averages, not specifics such as genetics, lifestyle, overall physical and mental health, and other key factors that come into play are lost on many people (like me for instance). Most people want to be acknowledged as individuals 2) Your success rate might improve if you lose the superior demeanor. Fight the urge to argue why you're right and try it. 3) Your inference of my being a smoker and to also hating math was derived from your snap judgement that since I didn't like your post...I must have smoke in my eyes. What got mad though is I'm really good at math too...see, we have one common ground.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 19, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Greg, I thought you might back pedal from your big talk. Don't talk smack and then get mad when someone tells you what will happen if you make that mistake. Army, so what, your black lungs and lack of stamina would prevent you from going 3 minutes with me. Army, get real, you think someone will just stand there while you show us your "skills", right. While you sit there and run your mouth, my wife would snatch that smoke, stick in the uh-oh place and then break her foot off in there to seal it up for you. You sit and run your mouth and wonder why people think you might be a low life, shoe fits, I guess. I wish you would do like you said and blow smoke in peoples faces. WNDU would have to run a story about some clown who was doing dumb stuff and then got a boot in the *** for thier troubles. And like I said, not everyone thinks badly of smokers, I used to smoke and carried myself much like you do with smoking. Also, check my wife yourself, she was just "speaking out of anger"...

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on May 19, 2008 at 11:39 AM
This is crazy. "I'll blow smoke on you." REALLY?

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 11:11 PM
I could care less if your a smoker or a non-smoker. I happen to be a non-smoker. My father and mother died of lung cancer but it was their choice. I would just like to make a little suggestion to you smokers. When you are dying in the hospital with lung cancer please have the nurse remove your dentures. This will prevent your teeth/dentures from popping out of your mouth when you take your last breath. Thats how I remember my father dying. I had to go ask the nurse to please place my fathers teeth back in his mouth so I could call the family back in. Its now a pretty site. So if you want to smoke, Hey! its your business. I just wanted to make this suggestion.

Posted by: To Gregg Location: Elkhart on May 18, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Go ahead punk, make my day.

Posted by: mom of 3 Location: mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 01:47 PM
Is the smoking ban going to "tear apart families"?!How melodramatic!I'm quite certain that the 5 minutes the smoker is forced to not spew their toxic air into the faces of their children will not harm the overall family dynamic.Fresh air has never been an excuse for family drama before.I can see it now...children crying for their parents who abandoned them to smoke...This is not the crisis situation that it is being made to seem.Good lord, go whine about gas prices or something more constructive.

Posted by: Robert Location: Illinois on May 18, 2008 at 01:20 PM
I had to laugh when I read that a business had been forced to ban kids. That was a really tough choice alright. Let's see, humm. It was a choice between drug addiction and family values. Of course we all know that cigarettes are more important than families and children. Great choice guys!

Posted by: To William to Go Location: From Paul on May 18, 2008 at 10:34 AM
William, sorry if you found my post offensive. Perhaps you should not cast the stone if you don't want a respone. My attempt was to support those smokers who would like to quit. When polled, 80% of smokers replied they wish they could quit smoking. The "Quit Meter" that so got you upset is just a motivational tool for my students that I use when facilitating my quit smoking class; they love it. Also, I gave information so those wanting to quit can find help if they wish. How is that having a superiority complex or being judgemental? I've helped many quit smoking, even those that are closet smokers, and are too embarassed to admit so, even on an obscure internet board. Also, I'm quite relaxed thank you, if you notice, I'm not the one that keeps hurling the insults.

Posted by: Tom Location: Leesburg on May 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Pete from Indianapolis, THANK YOU, that is exactly the point, and hopefully it will eventually sink in to the smoke clouded brains of some of these people who after hearing this argument still want to spew out "it's our right" or "it's the business owners right". To them I say, "repeat after me... IT"S A HEALTH ISSUE!"

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I was just trying to make a point that I was trying to to be considerate to non smokers before any ban was put in place.I never thought it was my "right"to make anyones meal tast like smoke. I don't even like second hand smoke. Now I have to here non smokers tell me how much of a low life,uneducated,piece of crap second hand citizen I am. I am not actualy going to blow smoke in anyones face, I was speaking out of anger.I will say, however,I was in the Army for eight years, I'm still in good shape and despite the smoking,I don't suck for air every time I do anything physical.To Rabid Irish Fan: I'm not too worried about anyone jamming anything up my keester and you might want to check your wife before she tries to snach anything out of anyones hand. Mitch is the reason why valuable police resources are wasted and they aren't catching "real criminals".To whoever "to Gregg" was, you would be pleasently supprised how many "rounds" I can go.Until then,EVERYONE enjoy smoke free eating,I wil

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM
To: William or Quit Now!!, whatever your name is...I think it germaine to warn others who may be contemplating quitting that one of the complications involved is the possible development of a superiority complex and a judgmental demeanor. I don't smoke but also try not to bombastically preach to others. Peace and try to relax as life is short with or without your additional 30%.

Posted by: Pete Location: Indianapolis on May 17, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Public smoking is definitely a public health hazard. That trumps so called "business owner's rights", just as food safety and food handling rules trump these so called "rights". You don't have a right to allow harm to be done to others anywhere. Secondhand smoke has been proven to increase the risks of heart problems, respiratory problems and even cancer in non-smokers. Ideally there should be no smoking in any workplace.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan's Wife Location: Elkhart on May 17, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Greg, I agree that blowing smoke into us non-smokers faces would be a bad idea. If you blew smoke into my face on purpose I would snatch that cigarette right out of your hand and burn you with it.

Posted by: To Gregg on May 17, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Gregg, I think that would be a really bad idea. Non smokers have much better lung capacity, and fighting is extermly aerobic. Most smokers I know couldn't make it a half round.

Posted by: To: William on May 17, 2008 at 02:32 PM
William, while I am very good with math, the stats that I posted were off a computrized meter. However, I bet you could do the math if you took the average life span and subracted that by 30% you'll come up with the number of the average life span of a smoker. I guess I could see why you hate math!

Posted by: Mtich Location: Mishawaka on May 17, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Go for it Greg...as an asthmatic and someone who is allergic to cig. smoke, I would have you arrested for assault and battery.

Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 17, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Lynne- I completely agree with you. Privately owned businesses should dictate whether they allow smoking- the government needs to stay out of it. Patrons will decide whether they'll go to a certain business. I was once a smoker and specifically went to businesses that allowed smoking. Now I'm a non-smoker and avoided places which were smokey. The Funny Bone was unbearable for me and my husband as non-smokers, but they hosted smoke-free nights which gave us a choice to patronize on a certain day. This was a great idea to please everyone. The less government intervention in our lives and choices, the better!!!

Posted by: Tom Location: Leesburg on May 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM
William go tell, mathematics doesn't cause cancer or lung disease. So not a bad idea. Replace an unhealthy addiction with a harmless obsession. And Greg if all smokers take your attitude then you'll probably just set the stage for a smoking ban anywhere near a place of business. Good thinking.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 17, 2008 at 09:04 AM
Greg, your actions with smoke were a lot like mine were when I was a smoker and I commend you for that. However, smokers and non smokers alike have people who think thier poo is non-odorus, it is not. Blowing smoke in the faces of non smokers, that is a pretty general act and as an ex-smoker who was considerate of others, like yourself, I have to say, bad idea. That kind of crap is going to cause a fight and I would imagine if you did that to the right person you might just be smoking that cig. while it is jammed up your keester. For goodness sake everyone is calling non smokers names over this and now we hear stupid threating remarks, we did not ban smoking the local GOVERNMENT did, whine to them. Come on, smokers have had thier time to step on our right to breath clean air since smoking has been around, now, it is our turn and we are the MAJORITY, get over it. You will drive yourself mad when the rest of the country is smoke free.

Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on May 17, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Why can't a place that wants smokers allow it My point is if a place that wants to allow it as long as they post that it is a smoking... Why should everyone have to be banned... That would be like if anyone of you had a place and someone said hey you can't offer fried food All i am saying let the law reflect that if a place wants to allow it that they can as long as it says there is... What most of you want is someone to make decisions for everyone and that is wrong OK a smoking law is ok for places that don't want it in there place but for those that do as long as they follow rules why not let them

Posted by: Toby Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I'm on my way to Crimaldi's. Thank God someone is using some sense.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 08:41 PM
I am a smoker,I could realy care less if I can smoke in a resturant or not. I always went outside to smoke after a meal out of consideration for my children and others around me. I tried to keep non smokers away from my smoke because I personaly felt it to be rude and inconsiderate.Now as I read all of the comments of these arrogant, self rightious non smokers I can only say one thing:SKREW YOU!!!!! I'll make it a point to blow smoke in your faces when you are entering your smoke free eating establishments.

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 16, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Yeh Quit Now!!, free to have time to develop an obsession with mathematics. Chill out man.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fans Wife Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 06:40 PM
It is a fact that there are more non-smokers in our community than smokers. When my family goes to a restaurant we always request non-smoking. Steak and Shakes idea of non-smoking is a piece of Plexiglass separating a smoking and non-smoking booth. In other restaurants the smoke still travels so we are still breathing it in. We have been subjected to smoke long enough. Now it's our turn. I'm looking forward to dining in the non-smoking sections and actually not be able to smell smoke and the smokers can still step outside and smoke so everybody wins.

Posted by: Quit Now!! Location: You Can Do It!!! on May 16, 2008 at 05:19 PM
I know it's hard, and you feel like there's a million reasons why you cant. I know I was there for 25 years and a pack and a half a day smoker. I've been smober now two years, two months, two days, 9 hours, 13 minutes and 55 seconds. Since then I have NOT smoked 19859 cigarettes saving $3,971.92! I have added 9 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes back onto my life. I've cut my chances of getting lung cancer in half of a smoker, and by three years quit I'll have 1/5th the chance of getting cancer as a smoker. But best of all I'm FREE!!! Free of that terrible addiction that had chained me. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. You can quit also if you really want too. Google american lung association freedom from smoking, and find the support you need close. They offer GREAT classes to help you find the strength and knowlege you need to quit for good. Remember, we were all born non smokers, don't you think it's time for a relapse? Good luck, God Bless.

Posted by: To Jim Location: From Paul on May 16, 2008 at 05:10 PM
What a few want? No Jim, it's more like 80% of us who want and support the smoking ban in resturants and bars. Also, if you're a smoker, you don't think the smoke is that bad. I know, I was you, a smoker who couldn't understand why my smoking bothered other people. Then I quit, and I realized how bad it was. Now, after going to a smoky resturants, I have to come home and change clothes I stink so bad.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 16, 2008 at 04:25 PM
I know Mike Crimaldi and my folks have even longer. I think they are dead wrong, kicking kids out of the place so you can keep smoking for another year, come on. I bet you will be hoping for those same families you have just kicked out will come back in a year. Mike that comment Gail made is just dumb. She tells us how these families have come for years and generations and now they can't, who built your business, sounds like the loyal customers who have been there for years. Now you tell them too bad you can't come here, well, for 12 months? I won't be back with my family in that case and I am really hurt by your actions in this case. We love your food, it is great, but, now I feel like I am not wanted there because I don't smoke.

Posted by: Non-smoker Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 03:46 PM
For anyone who says that the rest of the world is not affected by smokers, or the morbidly obese, or any of the other problems our society is bringing upon itself by being gluttonous, take a look at the cost of health care. It's not just increasing for those who smoke (which it should), it is increasing for all of us. So yes, your smoking DOES affect ALL OF US. Whether you do it in private or public, we ALL pay the price. If you want to kill yourself with toxins, be my guest, but I prefer not to be the one to pay a higher premium for my health insurance because of those who choose to smoke or because of the increase in people getting sick because of second hand smoke. I know how hard it is to quit -- I've seen it first hand. But it is possible and the whole world will benefit from each person who kicks the habit.

Posted by: Barb Location: SB on May 16, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Gail, I would think that those "babies" would rather not grow up surrounded by all that nasty smoke!!! Get over it and comply with the rules like everyone else. It apparently isn't hurting business at the other places mentioned.

Posted by: Shirley Location: Mishawaka on May 16, 2008 at 03:02 PM
When St.Joe Cty went smoke-free we heard same thing. Restaurants will lose business. I frequent a couple of restaurants and at first, business was down. But, now, these same restaurants are packed. Be patient. Smokers will get over it in Elkhart just as they have in South Bend/Mishawaka. I'm a smoker and it does not bother me at all that public places have gone smoke-free. In fact, I rather enjoy eating a meal without someone huffing and puffing away on a cigarette. You really have a problem if you can't sit in a restaurant or wherever for 30 minutes or 1 hour and, heaven forbid, can't smoke a cigarette. It actually has helped me cut way back on the number of cigarettes I smoke/day. To try quitting all together, I have banned myself from smoking in my house and in my car. Hopefully that will work.....

Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Just like Someone who does not smoke when I go to a place to eat if someone is smoking it is no big deal in a large establishment the second hand smoke is small and but sit in your car in traffic and smell all the diesel fumes from trucks and cars is just as bad so lets ban them as well Some of you people on here are Such idiots it has nothing to do with what and where fore it has to do with rights just like someone that doesn't want to be around smoking has the same rights as someone that does and personally i think if a place allows smoking should put up a sign that says this is a smoking establishment and if you do not smoke you have the right to enter or not just like if a place is non smoking and you do smoke you can either go in or not why should government get into this battle we have minds we can make that choice NO ONE SHOULD tell us that we all have to abide by what a few want....

Posted by: Lynne Location: Goshen on May 16, 2008 at 01:14 PM
I am a smoker! Have been one for 40 years! I've tried to quit many times! The BAN does not bother me...BUT...if they are going to ban smoking, then why are they allowed to sell the cigarettes? I have been in many places that while I was in a smoking section that a NON Smoker came in and sat down next to me and started waving their arms and asked me to please put out my cigarette. My response was simple...I put my cigarette out and then told them they were in the wrong section that I was in the right area and I showed them the sign that read Smoking Area and then I pointed to the sign that read Non Smoking Area. They continued sitting until I lit up again!!You call us stupid people...well there are a lot of stupid NON Smokers too!

Posted by: SMOKING CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE on May 16, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Sue from South Bend, and Jim and all you other delusional smokers- We are all getting a little tired of repeating this, so actually READ IT THIS TIME. Smoking has not been outlawed. You are just no longer allowed to force innocent bystanders to smoke via second hand smoke. And, guess what, moron-public intoxication IS ILLEGAL. So is drinking and driving. So is forcing your cheeseburger into someone else's mouth. Food industry HAS ALREADY SEEN REGULATION ON FAT USAGE. Government agencies monitor emissions and CONTROL them- in cars and in industry. Businesses are regulated on where the plumbing goes, how many doors to have, how they can arrange chairs, how long food is allowed to sit...ALL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY! Blow the smoke away from your blurry eyes and try to catch up with the rest of society, for crying out loud!

Posted by: Non-smoker Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Headline in this article is just plain STUPID!! WNDU comes across as creating sensationalism with it. Crimaldi's has another entrance to the smoke-free dining area. Why not use it and let the familes come in WITHOUT going through the bar?? Very disappointed in tactics used by WNDU in this story.

Posted by: South Bend Resident Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 12:21 PM
For the bar that had to stop allowing kids, if they really felt bad about that, they would have choose to go smoke free. Also going smoke free will not really hurt the business. Especially since all places are supposed to be smoke free. People go to a place to eat and that wouldn't change them going there.

Posted by: Nicotine on May 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM
HAHAHAHA, be strong my children. Do not let these non-addicted fools tell you how to live your lives. Forget not that I am your master, and you will speak for me. I am always with you, and will be here till you die! Speak not for yourself, but for me, I controll you, and my chains are stronger than ever. Do not think, only let your addiction to me do the talking!

Posted by: Laurie on May 16, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't bring their kids to a smoking restaurant. They ALL should be non-smoking. If a smoker cannot be without a cigarette to enjoy dining with the family; they have a problem. It's also good for the poor kids; at least they have some time without inhaling deadly second hand smoke!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lynne Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM
I should be up to the business owner to decide if they want to allow smoking or not. If you choose to go in a smoking establishment then you have nothing to complain about. It is the owner who pays the bills and taxes they should have the right on how to run it as long as it is not illeagal

Posted by: DJ Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Here's an idea. You say that families and their kids have come there for 28 years. And now their kids are comming with thier kids. All that these kids see are adults smoking, and passing on the bad habit. Why not break the cycle and TEACH the next generation of kids that SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU!!! I can't beleive that you would allow smoking over your kids. Do you really want your kids to smoke that bad.

Posted by: JMH Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Umm What about all the families torn apart by their loved ones dying from smoking. Or worse yet second hand smoke that is known to be more deadly then smoking! Not feeling it for the smokers!

Posted by: CO Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I couldn't agree with "A" more! And for everyone who continues to say that "the smoker's rights are being taken away and that is just the beginning of our rights being limited, blah, blah, blah." They still make cigarettes, you can still smoke, so please get over it! And stop making excuses or idiotic examples to justify why you smoke. You sound more ridiculous every day.

Posted by: jd Location: stjoe on May 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Hey 'america is not free or safe'...thank goodness I'm not a smoker--I would never have been able to read outloud your run-on sentance... And what 'rights' can they take away from non-smokers--remove the air from the sky? We've gone long enough without any rights. Your non-existant smoking rights end when they infringe on mine baby.

Posted by: silver Location: whocares?!?!?! on May 16, 2008 at 10:52 AM
To Ed: it depends on the person, my grandma is a smoker and is suffering from severe lung cancer as i speak. (or type :)(not to mention the fact that 4 of my aunts and uncles, and my great and my great great grandmothers also died from lung cancer due to smokeing) thats life. To America: you are very right about it being your right to buy and smoke cigarettes, but isnt it the right of non smokers to not have to inhale the 2nd hand smoke. its one thing if you choose to slowly kill yourself, but its wholey another to try and kill the people around you. I used to smoke here and there but stopped when i got pregnant, because if i choose to do something, it shouldnt affect everyone around me. thats not fair to them either. this is not about letting kids SEE someone smoke either. its about the fact that it shouldnt affect them. i think the ban is a good idea, but there should be places that smokers can go too, that way everything is fair. and every one is happy :)

Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I agree with George...the headline of this story is way too extreme. I think WNDU is taking this a little too far.

Posted by: Jammie Location: Grovertown on May 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Some of the things being said on here are just plain ridiculous!! I've smoked for a very long time and I actually kind of like it when I go into a smoke free restaurant. As for the wonderful mayor of Elkhart (sarcasm), I think taking aways smoking in bars is a little outrageous. Kids don't go into bars and most adults that go to bars smoke. I'm sure someone will criticize me for that, but I'm just putting in my 2 cents just as everyone else has. And for all the unhappy smokers............at least you have your car and home you can smoke in so it's not all that bad!!!

Posted by: Sue Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Ok you are telling me that it's ok to get drunk in public but DON'T SMOKE..LOL. Smoking is something that I regret starting and it's hard to just quit. Alcohol on the other hand Is more dangerous I feel because it has an imediate effect on everyone around you. Not to mention the people in the other car that you might hit on your way to "wherever". Don't try to tell me that most people that leave a bar after a drink or two are safer then a SMOKER sittin next to you. Asvertize booze but oh my goodness don't you dare say Marlboro.I sometimes think THEY are afraid of the money they would loose in divorce court, DUI court, alcohol rehab,domestic violence counceling,sin tax,insurance companies,I could go on and on.Don't you kids start smoking, but more importantly please never pick up that first drink.

Posted by: To Jim Location: from Paul on May 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Jim, if you eat too many cheesburgers and get fat, does that effect the health of anyone around you? If you eat too much candy and pop and your teeth rot, how does that effect me? Now when a waitress/waiter works in a resturant, or bar does your smoking effect them? This is a Public Health Issue, not a personal rights issue. Also, last time I checked this was a democracy ruled by the majority. We'll 80% of the population support these bans. No one is telling smokers they cannot kill themselves or be chained to a paper tube with some crushed leaves in it, that's still your decision. You obviously are missing the point here.

Posted by: L on May 16, 2008 at 09:56 AM
I agree with you "fedup"

Posted by: Anonymous on May 16, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Jim: Booze was taken away once upon a time and it worked. It was only repealed because politicians like to drink and because it got you votes if you were pro booze. Society was doing just fine, domestic violence at an all time low, and organized crime was being rounded up (until we forced them to move onto harder drugs). Yeah, the history you learn on teevee is a tad misrepresented.

Posted by: Paul Location: Michigan on May 16, 2008 at 09:37 AM
"We've had children come here since they were babies and they've grown, that have babies again, and those babies can't come in"


Posted by: Me Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 09:28 AM
Do you go to a restaurant to eat or to smoke? Me, I go to eat. This restaurant is banning people with kids because they are choosing smokers instead of everyone. That is their own fault if they start losing business cause if I was a regular customer of theirs, I would be offended that I could not eat there anymore because they decided to choose the smokers. It's just sad

Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Mitch By that logic Drinking has never been a right either and people get killed everyday from drunk drivers Lets take booze away or lets take Bread away because it kills you too lets stop letting kids in a place that allows you to drink with your meal because it shows kids that you can drink does that not pose a risk as well

Posted by: Lauren Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 08:48 AM
I do have to say that business was a bit slower yesterday then normal for the popular restaurant I work at in Elkhart on Cassopolis. I served most of the regulars last night and they had no qualms about the ban. The people who did smoke didn't complain about having to go outside. I think it was a privelege for the smokers to be able to smoke in enclosed public places to begin with. I wouldn't feel comfortable projecting my bad habits onto someone else who is out to have a good time too. People are not as respectful towards the general community anymore and everyone else is out for themselves. This is a great way to show people that they can't do anything they want for the sake of freedom but a way for them to open there eyes and see that their actions affect more then just them. I am happy about this for the sake of the children who can't decide where their families take them and for general health of the community.

Posted by: Jim Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Well it is not just about the smoking ban it is about rights sooner or later they will take other things away from people that they say is a health risk... One ban just leads to another... Lets ban Soda we know it is not good for us so lets take that away or Alcohol or deep fried foods.. Little by little they are taking peoples rights away and BTW most places that serve food have air filtrations that remove the smoke as well as bars... I feel that if a place that wants to allow smoking should be able to and that a person that does not smoke can make the choice of whether to enter or not.. it is a choice they had that choice before and you should have that choice now The Government has better things to do... Like Streets and crime so now we have to have the smoking police doesn't that take them away from fighting other crimes..

Posted by: Fed up Location: Realityville on May 16, 2008 at 08:43 AM
I suppose cancer and smoking caused lung disease doesn't tear families apart. Just mean old public smoking bans.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 16, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Huh, seems to me you smokers are about to see where loyalties really lie. some of these business owners who complained seem to be making more money. Sorry smokers even those who you though were on your side, not so much. They like CASH better than CANCER!!!! Are you now going to label those business owners who agree with the ban "communist"?....

Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on May 16, 2008 at 08:21 AM
1. Smoking has NEVER been a right. 2. Local government cannot control gas prices.

Posted by: A Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 08:09 AM
If you can't stop smoking for more than an hour to enjoy your lunch or dinner you have a real problem. Get a life people, smoking is bad for you and everyone else.

Posted by: i on May 16, 2008 at 07:41 AM
Ed, don't be a bonehead. By your warped logic, we should legalize drinking and driving since there are auto accidents anyway, and we should legalize discharging firearms in residential areas since accidents happen in the home anyway, and we should legalize using asbestos&lead in building since people get sick anyway. What you are saying whether you comprehend it or not is that there isn't enough cancer in the world. Get a grip. No one is taking away anyones right to go home and poison themselves, but we are standing up as the MAJORITY and demanding they stop poisoning us. And personally, having grown up with smokers, I didn't need a scientific study to tell me what I could see for myself. Smoking is bad. Secondhand smoke is bad.

Posted by: George Location: Indiana on May 16, 2008 at 07:31 AM
What now, we have the "smoking police" dragging screaming children from their smoking parents, Tearing families apart? WNDU you should be ashamed.

Posted by: Amber Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 07:25 AM
I don't smoke, but my mom does, so I know how it is going out to eat and having her light up while I'm eating.It was the smokers choice to light up,and have a bad habit and health. Who in the world enjoys smelling smoke while you bite into a delicious meal, not me!!! I think the ban is a great idea. People think,"If the smokers are banned, the buisness will be slow, blah, blah, blah." I think they do better without smokers because more non-smokers can go out more and go to places they couldn't before and enjoy their meals or surroundings and not have to worry about second hand smoke. If parents cannot stop smoking to have dinner with their families, that is ridiculous and selfish. Everyone has rights, even the smokers, but it is our right to a healthy life.

Posted by: L Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 06:40 AM
What about my rights to use DDT? I have a right to use a chemical pesticide that was banned decades ago because it killed innocent fun loving animals. My rights have been taken away because I can not use DDT anymore. What ever am I to do. DDT was my life. I ate it, drank it, and bathed in it. I am not hurt. DDT should be allowed in the restaurants and classrooms. If you grow four arms and ten eyeballs it is not my fault I use DDT. Now doesn't that sound absurd? You stupid smokers. Thats what you sound like. Stupid people say stupid things. As Harvey Danger sang it best, "The worls is full of stupid people and they keep on breeding."

Posted by: L Location: South Bend on May 16, 2008 at 06:33 AM
You poor poor people who say your rights have been takin away. What rights? The right to kill yourself and other around you with poisonous smoke? You smokers can still smoke in your cars and in your homes. Just not in places where nonsmokers and children will be. You smokers are so narrowed minded. Get a life. If you quit smoking you would have enough money to pay for gas! Stupid Stupid poor smokers.

Posted by: Mike Location: Elkhart on May 16, 2008 at 05:55 AM
In a post from Mitch yesterday he made the statement that smokers were lower class people. There have been 22 United States presidents that smoked. So much for Mitch and his theory. He must have a lower class brain.

Posted by: america is not free or safe on May 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM
ok all i have to say i know smoking is bad i am a smoker yuo non smokers arent looking at the big picture its our right to buy ciggs. its our right to smoke ciggs. where ever we may like but for all you non smokers one day thier going to take your rights right from under neath you and when that time comes because it will come i dont want to hear all the nagging and bickering from you it is taking away our rights now i dont smoke in resturants because i always have my children with me so im not mad about that at all im just mad because we were all taught when we were younger that america is the land of free what is free anymore nothing look at gas prices then look at what rights have been taking from us people are losing their jobs no one wants to help anyone out anymore because their afraid you can trust any anymore not only is america not free but its just not safe anymore america is sad i iwsh for once america could be free and safe again but im not for seeing that anytime soon !!!

Posted by: Kasey on May 15, 2008 at 11:35 PM
As a server on the north part of the county I will say business was very slow, but it has been. The economy is also a big factor in families eating out.

Posted by: Whowillthinkofthechildren! on May 15, 2008 at 10:29 PM
It's just so sad those poor babies can't go into Crimaldi's and smoke. THIS JUST ISN'T FAIR. Can't people see the injustice of it all! Please,please,PLEASE let the babies smoke with their parents. Isn't this america?! How can we take away their rights?! How can we TEAR THESE FAMILIES APART THIS WAY?! God have mercy!!

Posted by: Goofy Location: Elkhart on May 15, 2008 at 09:53 PM
It's too bad that the Happy Cooker Cafe and Crimaldi's has to rely on smoking to keep their business' going instead of their food. As long as a restaurant has good food, word will travel and customers will continue to come. Since multiple restaurants have already shown a large increase in business in Elkhart city, the truth of the support of the ban is shown. We told them, and the facts from other cities supported the ban, but some tried to make others believe that it wasn't true.

Posted by: Crazy Location: SB on May 15, 2008 at 09:45 PM
This story is a sick way to grab attention. Smoking kills millions but the poor children are suffering. PLease!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Elkhart on May 15, 2008 at 09:28 PM
I am a smoker and I have to be honest, its MY bad habit, other people shouldn't suffer because I made a poor decision to start smoking. The non smoking ban doesn't bother me at all.

Posted by: Connie Location: Warsaw on May 15, 2008 at 09:12 PM
Come on WNDU,"families torn apart"? Did you choke trying to say such a stupid headline? Give us a break. No one is tearing anyone from anyone. A business owner decided that his coughing, hacking toxic-spewing smokers meant more to his business than happy, safe families. To which, Todd has a point, why would any sane person throw away such a generationally loyal, repeat customer base to cater to a few smokers for a year? Those who sanely went non-smoking obviously aren't suffering.

Posted by: Ed Location: Goshen on May 15, 2008 at 08:53 PM
I'm not a smoker but I think the smoking Nazis have gone to far. Smokers have rights too and I think all the businesses should just pack up and find a place to open up outside of Moscow's, I mean Elkhart's city limits. If smoking is so bad then tell me how George Burns lived to be 100 and my Aunt who never smoked and never was around smoke died of lung cancer at 65; just like 70% of the women that die of lung cancer.

Posted by: L.D Location: ELKHART on May 15, 2008 at 08:50 PM
im not a smoker myself i used to, but gave it up on my own choice,what freedoms will be taking away next?if all this energy to pass this non- smoking ban, work on lower gas prices but this will never happen its always pick and choose is this not a land of free enterprise.

Posted by: Disappointed on May 15, 2008 at 08:24 PM
This is the hokiest, most contrived excuse for a headline grab yet, WNDU. Families "torn apart." C'mon - is this an exclusive? Why not focus on the positive instead of trying to "make" news?

Posted by: Larry Location: Elkhart on May 15, 2008 at 08:24 PM
I feel sorry for smokers. It's not fair. lol

Posted by: Tom Location: Leesburg on May 15, 2008 at 07:59 PM
I didn't realize WNDU was so strongly against this ban that they would publish such a biased bunch of propaganda. Elkhart makes a law to protect the public health and NDU makes it sound like children are being ripped from their smoking parents. This is ridiculus. If they want to eat with their kids all they have to do is NOT SMOKE. Which would be better for their kids any way. And of course this was Gail's choice to have smokers instead of familys in her establishment. You choose the crowd you want. Of course the article does point out that at least 2 of the now non-smoking restaraunts are doing more business than before. People need to accept the fact that smoking KILLS and therefore needs to be controlled. So move on.

Posted by: Mark on May 15, 2008 at 07:45 PM
Yeah, it's a real shame those liberals managed to ruin even more things with their misguided socialist policies. And just think, this is in a RED state. Liberals believe in freedom for everyone - everyone who thinks like them, that is!

Posted by: Todd Location: Mishawaka on May 15, 2008 at 07:40 PM
This is totally stupid. The bar only gets one year free from the ban. Why would a good business do this? Makes no sense.

Posted by: KR Location: Elkhart on May 15, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Oh boo hoo! Give me a break! You guys will do anything to slant the issue and make the mayor look like a bad guy. Have you thought that maybe there are people out there who appreciate this!


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