Elkhart smoking ban to tear apart families? Save Email Print
First day of ban goes smoothly
Posted: 5:25 PM May 15, 2008
Last Updated: 6:11 PM May 15, 2008
Reporter: Mark Peterson
Email Address: mpeterson@wndu.com

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Today, life changed in and around Elkhart, as the city imposed a ban on smoking in public places.

The new ordinance forced some of the affected parties to make some tough choices.

For instance, one business that had catered to families for 28-years has now been forced to ban kids.

In order to keep smoking in the bar, Crimaldi’s restaurant had to kick kids out of a nearby smoke free dining room.

“I just want to say I’m very sorry for the families that cannot come in here anymore,” said Gail Bope. “We've had children come here since they were babies and they've grown, that have babies again, and those babies can't come in.”

At the Main Street Cafe, there was no way to keep the doors open to smokers. The ash trays were placed in bags and stored in the back room. The fear was that business would be slow.

“I guess I expected not to see some of my regulars that smoke, and perhaps a slower day or at least a slower week, but we’ve been packed all day, business is good,” said Julie Pietrzak.

John Gulmyer was eating at the corner table at the Main Street Cafe. He said he comes to the restaurant three or four days a week and that the smoking ban won’t change his behavior. “I’ll still come here,” Gulmyer said.

Meantime, at The Happy Cooker Cafe they were even happier than usual. Thanks to their location in Elkhart County they moved a bit closer to monopolizing the market on diners who smoke.

“The smoking ban is from State Road 19-which is a half a mile to our left, and two miles to our right, (at the St. Joseph County line) so smoking is available here,” said Teresa Batts.

The cafe is now surrounded by, but out of the jurisdiction of two smoking bans.

As a result, it’s one of the few places left, where smoking is allowed.

“They are getting fewer and far between now,” said cafe customer Kevan Radar.

City officials say there were no reported violations of the smoking ban during day one.

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Posted by: dave Location: elkhart on Jun 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
HA HA HA! talk about biased reporting.... the ban is TEARING apart families.... ha ha! smoking is killing your family! give me a break.

Posted by: MissMM Location: Elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 07:14 PM
Rapid, this is MiSSmm again. And yes, I would still go to the Happy Cooker if they were to become smoke-free. The food is that good. And actually I will go to a couple little neighborhood "joints" because we know the owners and, you are right, I shouldn't hurt them for something they didn't do. But for the majority of them: if I have a choice to go to Happy Cooker for breakfast or lunch instead of city places, I will "usually" pick it. I didn't even know about the place until I read this article. So, that being said, hope I answered your question, ok. :)

Posted by: missmm Location: elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 03:24 PM
Rapid, first I want to say that I am "MISSMM" not "MISMM". I don't know how someone else came up with a name almost identical, but I was not the one who said you were confrontational. My only other post was the one you see below at 3:38. I don't know who the MisMM (one s) is from 2:53. And I didn't even think you were being confrontational.... just asking me a question. Hope this clears it up. MISSMM (TWO S's)

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 23, 2008 at 03:14 PM
OK, now was that so hard? The Government has told people how to run thier business for a long time now. Let's see, health regulations, workers rights, tax codes, etc, etc. All things imposed by your Government. It just seems that if you were so worried about the business owners you would stand up for them on all matters not just smoking issues. Furthermore our county commissioners are blowing smoke up your rear if you belive that mess for one hot second. BS talk is all that is, they are waiting to see how Goshen, Elkhart and St. Joe do as far as business being hurt or not hurt. Which as I recall hearing, most of the places in Elkhart that were worried about losing business have actually gained more than before. I don't think it is fair for you to leave the places you used to go to, you are hurting the people you so cared about for before the ban, what gives? Still, you danced around the question, when the Happy Cooker goes smoke free WILL YOU STILL PATRONIZE IT???

Posted by: missMM Location: elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Rapid, first of all, the Happy Cooker (r anywhere outside city limits) has nothing to worry about for a long time, if ever. Our county commissioners have made it very clear that they do not believe government has the right to tell a business owner how to run his or her business; that people have choices to enter or not. The commissioners show wisdom and respect, something the city officials know nothing about. And yes, I choose to go to the County when I go out now. To go to a business that has been forced to go smokefree -- regardless of who made the decision -- is saying "this ban is OK." Which it is not. It is hoped that with the loss of business (revenue for the city) they would reconsider, which would -- in the end -- be the best thing for the owners. To let them have "their" businesses back.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 23, 2008 at 02:30 PM
I just asked you for your opinion MissMM, how is that being confrontational? I am no internet bully, I speak my opinion. So, do you not care to answer that question I asked? Seems like a fair question or did I strike a nerve. I just want to know if you will patronize the Happy Cooker once they are smoke free. Take a pill and calm down. I mean you smokers point fingers at the nons and how we took away your "rights" and how we are so terrible for this ban. But, when I ask a question you all get so defensive, why is that?

Posted by: MisMM on May 23, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Rabid, are you the only one here allowed to have an opinion? The other poster is right, you come here just to be confrantational, and try to bully people. Are you proud of being an internet bully? Just wondering!

Posted by: Another Citizen Location: Elkhart on May 23, 2008 at 01:09 AM
When it comes to allowing or not allowing smoking, it should be up to the private business owner. If you want to go where there is no smoking, then go; if you do not want to go where there is smoking, then don't go. Give everyone a choice. We are not talking about the library, courthouse, hospital, etc., we are talking about a bar/restaurant. There is choice on tv, choice on the radio, choice in the bookstore or newsstand & choice on the internet. Dining out is also a choice. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 07:06 PM
MissMM, I have just one question for you. When the Happy Cooker becomes smoke free, and, it will sooner rather than later. Will you still patronize it or take your business elsewhere? It just seems to me that the smokers have abandoned the places they used to go to in town. The owners of these places did not do this, the City of Elkhart did, why punish the business owners by taking money from them. They supported you all and now you leave them high and dry. That's fine, the 74 percent of the population (non-smoking) will make up for you, as usual. Just like we are forced to pay higher premiums for insurance, to cover the other 26 percent that have smoking related health problems. Just wondering.

Posted by: Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 07:00 PM
You have some serious issues. Good luck with all that! How about 1-800-Im a psych?

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Another thing while I am here. Did you teach your 8 year old to call names "rabies"? You say I am confrontational w/everyone. Uh, not quite three people on this thread have heard from me. Greg did and he knows why and we are OK now. Megan was the second for making a comment to me. And you sir are number three. Boy, you sure got hot about that post I made to you, rub you the wrong way preacher man? Let it go, I am in the mood to rant and you have my attention. BTW, I have three kids 4-8-10 and I teach them all to make thier own choices, on thier own. My kids will learn the dangers of smoking through education not the way you try to do it, forcing down peoples throat.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 05:45 PM
You meant to address William? William or Rabid that is one heck of an error. Sounds more to me like you did not read my post the first time and made an assumption. Sing the praises of non-smoking to your 8 year old, I mean you act like you are talking to children here when you get on soap box. 1-800-quit-now, should be your contact number to quit preaching at people. You are counter productive to people who want to quit, that is your mistake. People are like kids (no offense) the more you tell them they can't do something, you reinforce the action. Leave people alone, they have your number isn't that enough. If they need you they will call. Just admit you did not read my post and assumed I have only tried to quit, it is so obvious by your post that followed mine. You mention it is no cost, right after I post that I paid 50 bucks for my program. Teach your 8 year old the importance of reading comprehension a lesson you should learn as well, have a nice day. Now that was a rant.

Posted by: To Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 04:16 PM
WOW, my mistake; why so confrintational w/everyone? My mistake, I meant to address William, and there is no edit button. Now please, continue you on with your immature ranting with everyone. Sure hope your wife has some thick skin, my 8 year old is more mature in his dialog. Good luck rabies!

Posted by: MissMM Location: Elkhart on May 22, 2008 at 03:33 PM
For you smokers: After reading this article I tried the Happy Cooker on US 33. What a nice surprise! The food was just wonderful and the restaurant was packed with smokers. Some were non-smokers (tolerant non-smokers) as well. People were laughing and having a good time. It was so nice to once again be able to enjoy the freedoms that 9 people in Elkhart decided to take away. Tell all your smoking friends about this great restaurant. I certainly plan to.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 22, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Uh, can you read? I QUIT over three years ago and unlike your program, I did not "slip". I don't mind you posting a little info to help, but, you are almost to the point of spamming this board with your recycled posts. I wonder why you decided to adress me on this topic, are you trying to insinuate something. It is people like you who make smokers stay away from getting help. The choice to quit is very personal thing, I had people bug me about it for years and for years I failed to quit. The ONLY way you will ever have a real chance of quitting is if you and only you want to do it. Do not do it for your wife, kids, mom, dad or whatever do it because you WANT to for yourself and for your health.

Posted by: More Info on May 22, 2008 at 06:47 AM
Also, if you go to about.com type in "smoking cessation" you will find more information about smoking and quitting. Also has a great support group there. Check it out!!

Posted by: To Rabid on May 22, 2008 at 06:45 AM
If your'e really serious about quitting. I think we can help. We have helped 1000's to break the chains of this terrible addicition. I know it looks like an impossibility to be a "non smoker", but you can make it happen, and we can help. This is non profit, their is no costs for the class, only bring your desire to quit. We are boasting a 62% for first time quitters, and over 80 that slip and come back. Come join the living, you CAN do this, and we can help. Call 1.800.QUIT.NOW. Good luck, from a ex 25 year two pack a day smoker, it's GREAT to finally be free.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 21, 2008 at 09:29 PM
Megan, when you take a shot at me and I fire back, do not cry foul. You earned what you got. Greg, first off, like I said before, take the Mrs. to task yourself. I am not a messenger. Second, you made the first threat as I recall, something about blowing smoke in faces. I also am a grown man and you raised my ire, so prehaps I responded poorly. Now, if that makes you happy, great. I used a group called Gorayeb, I think that is the right spelling. It was 50 dollars and in a group setting. Now, never did I feel like I was "under" at anytime, rather, I was fully aware the whole time. It is one half edu. and one half hypnosis. All I know is it worked for me and I was a 15 plus year smoker, pack or more a day. I never smoked again after this program. They use mental props to erase cravings. They suggest to your mind that when you have a craving, you drink water, that takes the place of the cigarette in the addicted mind. Worked for me, good luck to you however you try, I feel a lot better.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 03:34 PM
Rabid Irish Fan:Before you think I'm "back peddling",I will make it perfectly clear that I'm not a geek talking smack behind a computer, I'm a grown man who can hanle himself quite well and I'm nowhere near intimidated by you and/or your wife. If you want to bring this back to a more "grown up" level and stop with the threats and name calling,I am willing to comply.I was actualy curious about the hypnosis. I've heard many good things about it and believe it or not,I would cut off my left arm to quit smoking. It's a horrible habit I picked up as a teen because I thought I was "cool".How wrong I was! I have tried several times to quit and have failed and I'm willing to try anything.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Rabid Irish Fan: Correct me if I'm wrong,but did you say my uh-oh place? LOL!!!

Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Actually, Rabid Irish, I'm at the furthest end of the spectrum from a "hippie pacifist" but it must be more comfortable for you to debate issues by calling your opposers names. I instead rely on my intelligent, well-ruminated insights. Maybe you need to learn how big boys talk?

Posted by: To William on May 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM
William, I think you take these discussions way too seriously. I don't really understand why our success upsets you. Sure I'm proud of what we've done, and proud of our quitters. It's a hard, and the most rewarding thing to accomplish. I do care about you, and if you really want to quit, there is help, and you don't have to do it alone. Call 1-800-Quit-Now, and they will help you find one or our classes. One call can change your life, it did mine. Good Luck...

Posted by: Anonymous on May 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM
This is Great News for me,I'm sick and tired of rude smokers invading my clean air with those filthy,nasty,rotten,gross,discusting cigarettes!

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 21, 2008 at 07:39 AM
Yeah, and that comes from someone who would rather let the minority rule. Yeah, you could go to Funny Bone one day week, great a weekday at the bone, fun. Just let people walk on you Megan, I would rather debate the facts and make a change for the greater good. You just want to abide by others rules, good for you, hippie pacificst. I also doubt the U.S. thinks anything about Elkhart, inbreeding or other. Furthermore Megan, this devolved along time ago and it was not me who brought it on. Smokers like to take shots at the nons, I get tired of telling them to tell your local government, they banned it not us.

Posted by: Megan Location: Elkhart on May 21, 2008 at 06:39 AM
Well. Thanks to Rabid Irish and Greg, this has devolved into a school yard bully romp. No wonder the rest of the U.S. thinks Elkhart inbreeds as a rule. I'm going to start omitting the city name from my mail and just go incognito with a zip code. Thanks boys.

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 20, 2008 at 04:32 PM
To Rabid Irish Fan and his lovely wife:I'm not going to get in a p***ing match with the two of you, I am very confident that if your wife snached anything out of my hand I would spank the both of you with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth the whole time.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 20, 2008 at 10:19 AM
I quit using Hypnosis, best 50 bucks I ever spent. Never had a craving to smoke again EVER and I have been smoke free for almost three years now. If anyone wants to know where I went let me know.

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 20, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Well, this has been a hoot, discussing the bane of society; the smokers with their dirty little habit with my friend Professor To; but after this statistic laden discussion on mathematics, his success rate, and the gold standard we learn noone really cares about me? I think I need to have a smoke...pass me a Lucky Strike there bro...

Posted by: To Jennifer on May 20, 2008 at 09:47 AM
Jennifer, Are you really giving out your email, and telling people we can settle it there? Sure sounds if you have some anger issues also. Guess the apples don't fall too far from eachother in that family tree.

Posted by: To William Location: From: Paul on May 20, 2008 at 09:30 AM
William, speaking of listening skills, or comprehension, the quit meter has NOTHING to do with genetics, phsyical, or mental health. All it counts is how much time, how many cigarrets you don't smoke. Please read it again, I think you are confused. Also, where did I congratulate myself? Also, the success rate of our program is DOUBLE the next organized program of getting people off smoking for one year. Average cold turkey quitter has 7% chance of staying off for one year. Last year, we had a 62% success rate for first time attendee's, and over 80% who took our class again. I would love to have 100%, but we are the gold standard in smoking cessation. As far as you being a smoker or not, who really cares? If you are, the only person you would be lying to is yourself. I'm confident in my facts and opinions of smoking, but me students really like me, and I have a waiting list to get into my classes, so I must be doing something right.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan's Wife Location: Elkhart on May 19, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Greg, my husband doesn't need to "check" me and I'm sure he would back me up if you blew smoke in anyone's face and I snatched it out of your hand.

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 19, 2008 at 04:50 PM
To go, Your intention to assist people in their struggle to quit smoking is admirable (even if you must congratulate yourself a little too much). Its your tactics and listening/comprehension skills that need to be improved dude. 1) I agree with your description of the "quit meter" being a tool. A real tool I might add because its conclusions are based on overall averages, not specifics such as genetics, lifestyle, overall physical and mental health, and other key factors that come into play are lost on many people (like me for instance). Most people want to be acknowledged as individuals 2) Your success rate might improve if you lose the superior demeanor. Fight the urge to argue why you're right and try it. 3) Your inference of my being a smoker and to also hating math was derived from your snap judgement that since I didn't like your post...I must have smoke in my eyes. What got mad though is I'm really good at math too...see, we have one common ground.

Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on May 19, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Greg, I thought you might back pedal from your big talk. Don't talk smack and then get mad when someone tells you what will happen if you make that mistake. Army, so what, your black lungs and lack of stamina would prevent you from going 3 minutes with me. Army, get real, you think someone will just stand there while you show us your "skills", right. While you sit there and run your mouth, my wife would snatch that smoke, stick in the uh-oh place and then break her foot off in there to seal it up for you. You sit and run your mouth and wonder why people think you might be a low life, shoe fits, I guess. I wish you would do like you said and blow smoke in peoples faces. WNDU would have to run a story about some clown who was doing dumb stuff and then got a boot in the *** for thier troubles. And like I said, not everyone thinks badly of smokers, I used to smoke and carried myself much like you do with smoking. Also, check my wife yourself, she was just "speaking out of anger"...

Posted by: ND Fan Location: ND on May 19, 2008 at 10:39 AM
This is crazy. "I'll blow smoke on you." REALLY?

Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I could care less if your a smoker or a non-smoker. I happen to be a non-smoker. My father and mother died of lung cancer but it was their choice. I would just like to make a little suggestion to you smokers. When you are dying in the hospital with lung cancer please have the nurse remove your dentures. This will prevent your teeth/dentures from popping out of your mouth when you take your last breath. Thats how I remember my father dying. I had to go ask the nurse to please place my fathers teeth back in his mouth so I could call the family back in. Its now a pretty site. So if you want to smoke, Hey! its your business. I just wanted to make this suggestion.

Posted by: To Gregg Location: Elkhart on May 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Go ahead punk, make my day.

Posted by: mom of 3 Location: mishawaka on May 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Is the smoking ban going to "tear apart families"?!How melodramatic!I'm quite certain that the 5 minutes the smoker is forced to not spew their toxic air into the faces of their children will not harm the overall family dynamic.Fresh air has never been an excuse for family drama before.I can see it now...children crying for their parents who abandoned them to smoke...This is not the crisis situation that it is being made to seem.Good lord, go whine about gas prices or something more constructive.

Posted by: Robert Location: Illinois on May 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I had to laugh when I read that a business had been forced to ban kids. That was a really tough choice alright. Let's see, humm. It was a choice between drug addiction and family values. Of course we all know that cigarettes are more important than families and children. Great choice guys!

Posted by: To William to Go Location: From Paul on May 18, 2008 at 09:34 AM
William, sorry if you found my post offensive. Perhaps you should not cast the stone if you don't want a respone. My attempt was to support those smokers who would like to quit. When polled, 80% of smokers replied they wish they could quit smoking. The "Quit Meter" that so got you upset is just a motivational tool for my students that I use when facilitating my quit smoking class; they love it. Also, I gave information so those wanting to quit can find help if they wish. How is that having a superiority complex or being judgemental? I've helped many quit smoking, even those that are closet smokers, and are too embarassed to admit so, even on an obscure internet board. Also, I'm quite relaxed thank you, if you notice, I'm not the one that keeps hurling the insults.

Posted by: Tom Location: Leesburg on May 18, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Pete from Indianapolis, THANK YOU, that is exactly the point, and hopefully it will eventually sink in to the smoke clouded brains of some of these people who after hearing this argument still want to spew out "it's our right" or "it's the business owners right". To them I say, "repeat after me... IT"S A HEALTH ISSUE!"

Posted by: Greg Location: Elkhart on May 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I was just trying to make a point that I was trying to to be considerate to non smokers before any ban was put in place.I never thought it was my "right"to make anyones meal tast like smoke. I don't even like second hand smoke. Now I have to here non smokers tell me how much of a low life,uneducated,piece of crap second hand citizen I am. I am not actualy going to blow smoke in anyones face, I was speaking out of anger.I will say, however,I was in the Army for eight years, I'm still in good shape and despite the smoking,I don't suck for air every time I do anything physical.To Rabid Irish Fan: I'm not too worried about anyone jamming anything up my keester and you might want to check your wife before she tries to snach anything out of anyones hand. Mitch is the reason why valuable police resources are wasted and they aren't catching "real criminals".To whoever "to Gregg" was, you would be pleasently supprised how many "rounds" I can go.Until then,EVERYONE enjoy smoke free eating,I wil

Posted by: William Go Tell on May 17, 2008 at 09:36 PM
To: William or Quit Now!!, whatever your name is...I think it germaine to warn others who may be contemplating quitting that one of the complications involved is the possible development of a superiority complex and a judgmental demeanor. I don't smoke but also try not to bombastically preach to others. Peace and try to relax as life is short with or without your additional 30%.

Posted by: Pete Location: Indianapolis on May 17, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Public smoking is definitely a public health hazard.