Panel discusses implications of immigration for South Bend
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Posted: 12:22 AM Mar 27, 2008
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How to fix it, how to address it, what to do about immigration reform? It's a challenging issue that our nation is dealing with.

You may remember just over a year ago, federal immigration officials raided Janco in Mishawaka and three dozen alleged illegal aliens were arrested.

Since then, a local priest asked several Notre dame departments to study what would happen to South bend's economy if every undocumented immigrant was deported.

After looking at the results, “harmful” is the word panelists used to describe what this would mean.

Wednesday night, reverend Chris Cox of St. Adalbert's Parish along with legal, educational, and healthcare service providers discussed how this study highlights the urgency of finding a solution to immigration reform locally and nationally.

Leading a church that is two thirds Hispanic has been an honor, yet a challenge for Reverend Cox.

It’s been an honor, because he says they bring new life in South Bend but, a challenge making them feel welcome as immigrants.

Reverend Cox says, “These men and women who are serving our country and armed forces on the fast track can't even get through it says there's a basic fundamental breakdown in the system.”

That's why he and a panel of health, educational, and legal experts in the community say it's time to look at immigrants not as an issue, but human beings with value.

The study estimate that in total, the immigrant population contributes between $2 million-$10.5 per month.

Abigail Wozniak, an Assistant Economics Professor at Notre Dame explains how these numbers were calculated.

Wozniak says, “How much you spend on food, income you bring in to the house, mortgage, rent, these are all things that go into the community and then on a negative liability side, we took out benefits undocumented workers received. We hope that community leaders will be interested in the study and take it seriously.”

Wozniak says these results should be published some time next week. Once they are, they hope to get input from political leaders at the local, state, and federal level.

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Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Apr 5, 2008 at 09:43 AM
I'm a white guy in my mid 30's. Born and raised here. My family has been in this country since the 1500's and I'm part Native American. Nice try though.

Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on Apr 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM
We must have the illegals here. After all...they take all the crap jobs you unemployed refuse to do because you are too good.

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Apr 3, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Sorry Chaz, didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Let me guess, your a minority, illigal, or both? Stop being so gutless.

Posted by: Bill Location: OC on Apr 3, 2008 at 04:22 PM
The only problem here is, Don't come here Illegally. Do it the right way and live the American dream. Law breakers should not be tolerated. A crime is a crime, robbery, rape, murder, and yes crossing the border the wrong way!

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Apr 3, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Rob, I have to say, you should make an exception for yourself and keep your opinions quiet. Actually, never mind, you are the person I want as the face of the anti-immigration debate. Calling the mexican language gardener, suggesting that they're all a bunch of spray painting, gang bangers is precisely how people can see how nuts your sort of pathetic racism really is. Keep it up!

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Apr 2, 2008 at 09:13 PM
camacho, I am outraged and ashamed for you. I was in a store yesterday, and had some mexicano's try to speak spanish TO ME IN AMERICA, as if I am expected to speak "gardener". That is disrespect to come into this country and expect everyone else to change so you can live a better life. Why don't you go back home and change the way of life for yourselves!!! If I ever visit Mexico, I expect you to have everything translated to ENGLISH, have free health care for me, let me spray paint your buildings, start gang activity, and I want any kids I may have to be born in a hospital for FREE, etc, etc, etc... Yeah, you really have it rough here don't ya'?

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Apr 2, 2008 at 06:41 AM
Chaz, your right. (My name is Rob, and I live in Jimtown) Your right about the truth. If more people would quit trying to be politically correct and just say what they believe, can you imagine the change that could make? Start telling how it is people, how YOU feel, not how you think OTHER people feel.

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Apr 2, 2008 at 02:35 AM
Ok, for you kids that are writting in, you are right, there is nothing wrong with the American dream IF you do it legally and one day when you start paying taxes and health benifits you will understand what we are all complaining about. YES the illegal immigrants do hurt us and one day MAYBE you will understand that too.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: SB on Apr 1, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Camacho - you have a lot to learn. YES, illegal immigration affects us! Read all of the comments and you will see. Legal American Citizens who need assistance aren't getting it because illegal immigrants are scamming the system. They keep legal citizens from getting good jobs because they are willing to work illegally. Some steal the Social Security numbers of legal citizens which causes problems for the victims of such crimes. They overpopulate our schools which means less time that the teachers have for students here legally, whose taxpaying dollars go to pay for the schools. Illegals don't pay income tax nor property taxes. What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Apr 1, 2008 at 03:26 PM
And there you have it. Rob admits what few are willing to say but really think. They don't want anybody here that doesn't already live here. Unless you look like us and sound like us, you're not welcome here. As stupid an idea as that is, I applaud Rob for having the guts to say it. Of course his name might not be Rob and he might not be from Elkhart so it's hardly that large a step to say it.

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Apr 1, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Cindy, your wrong. We don't want the immigrants, legal or not.

Posted by: camacho Location: uniteded states of america on Apr 1, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I have read all these comments I think with me being a legal, as you people call it, I am OUTRAGED AND OFFENDED BY WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY.Why are you guys talking about it!DOES THIS ISSUE REALLY CONCERN YOU !!! Iam 14 and Hispanic and I like it. There's nothing wrong with coming to America for the American dream and for a better future for your kids. You are all wrong.

Posted by: les Location: mishamaka on Apr 1, 2008 at 09:53 AM
enforce the LAW. stop turning a blind eye to this problem. close the boarder

Posted by: Toby Location: South Bend on Mar 31, 2008 at 10:57 PM
So, it's ok to be a CRIMINAL, break the law, take the free welfare, healthcare and a dozen other "freebies" while LEGAL citizens have to go without. Now I get it.

Posted by: Cindy Location: rolling prairie on Mar 31, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Come on people its not immigrants we don't like its illegals, law breakers get it now!

Posted by: Jose Location: Goshen on Mar 31, 2008 at 05:16 PM
I love the United States they give me free medical, free education ,free food i may never go back to Mexico. With all my money i will buy a ranch in Mexico and retire what a great place to live.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 31, 2008 at 03:49 PM
i haven't heard anything about the (african americans) there is a ton of them coming here everyday, oh but no one says anything because they might be picked out because of there skin color, and establish riots

Posted by: Anonymous Location: sb on Mar 31, 2008 at 03:47 PM
everyone needs to calm down this country was found on immigrants so i say everyone's welcome the more the better

Posted by: anoymous Location: Ligonier on Mar 31, 2008 at 03:44 PM
you act like these people are all working together. They come here indivudually to defend for their families....I am married to a hispanic and yes he is here legally...most of them that I know only have 1 or 2 kids...no they are not trying to out baby us. GROW UP GET A LIFE IF YOU ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT THEM GETTING OUR JOBS GO APPLY FOR THEM YOURSELF.. You say they are here taking jobs from americans and that the people on welfare would have jobs if they were not here. These people would still be on welfare even if these jobs are available because they don't want to work they would rather live off the government and have us support their kids if you ask me they are all the same whites, blacks, latinos, asians whatever it may be there is always people out there seeing how many babies they can have so they can get some kind of free assistance..

Posted by: Anoymous Location: Elkhart on Mar 31, 2008 at 01:01 PM
I suppose if all the illegals were rounded up and sent back... which might not be a bad ideal... the law is the law after all. I suspect my neighborhood would return to the much quieter, much nicer looking neighborhood it used to be. The pattern is an old person dies, the kids sell the house to a slum lord and the illegals move in. There is no way these homes with numerous Latinos living in them are here legally. From whatever country it is. You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. Lets also look at the pregnancy rate among the Latin community. I have been told by a legal Latino couple I know with only two kids and no intent to have anymore that producing as many anchor babies as possible is the goal amongst illegal aliens. Folks, they simply intend to out baby us. They intend to produce more off spring than Anglos and African Americans combined and it appears they are doing a good job of it compliments of the American taxpayer. Our politicians need to wake up!!!

Posted by: To Melissa on Mar 31, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Hey wanna test your theory? Go to mexico and try to get a job. Good luck! Ok, try France.... Good Luck Ok, Try India ..... Good Luck.

Posted by: Janet Location: south bend on Mar 31, 2008 at 09:55 AM
WELL I'M A 14 YEARS OLD. I GO TO SCHOOL AND I BELIEVE THAT THEIR CAN BE SOMETHING TO HELP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT HURTING ANYBODY.PEOPLE JUST BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE HURTING YOU BECAUSE THEY HAVE JOBS THAT ARE WELL PAID AND YOU ARE JUST JELIOUS. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE HARD WORKERS.SO INSTEAD OF JUST SITTING THERE AND WHINNING GET A JOB AND FORGET ABOUT THE IMMIGRANTS, UNLESS THEY ARE HURTING YOU IN ANY PHYSICAL WAY. I WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES AND I AM HERE LEGALLY. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DISLIKE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SO MUCH. SOME (I ADMIT SOME IMMIGRANTS DO COME FOR BAD THINGS) IMMIGRANTS COME TO GET A BETTER JOB,AND SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES. I WANT TO ASK EVERYONE THAT HAS POSTED A COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE A QUESTION...WHERE ARE YOU GUYS FROM? WHERE ARE YOUR PARENTS FROM?I BET SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU HAVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN YOUR HISTORY.SO QUIT WHINNING AND UNTIL AN ILLLEGAL IMMIGRANT HAS HURT YOU THEN BE MAD.

Posted by: Jym on Mar 31, 2008 at 01:10 AM
We've always been suspicious of immigrants (the so called red scare of the russian immigration in the 1800s) but the difference today is that the immigrants hate us back. People used to come to America because they liked it so much. Today people come to America with this attitude that they wish whitey would move out. My Sicilian great grandfather didn't come here thinking, "one day the land will be mostly Sicilian and we'll be able to get our piece of the pie at last...". But that's the attitude in today's ghettos. They think, "one day whitey will be the minority and driven out and then finally we will be on top...".

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Oh and by the way Chaz.....I use my own identy and not steal someone elses!

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Yes Chaz, I do believe in God and I do consider my self Christian, but I also follow the laws that are laid down by MY Government. I don't lie on my taxes and I don't lie on my income to get government help, I worked my butt off to support my kids even if it meant working two jobs. And when my kids thought they could act like thugs they were corrected and told to straighten up and act right, so don't preach to me about God and being judged..I do as I am supposed to by law and live my live accordingly.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: SB on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Chaz: The whole "Do unto others" has different meanings for different people. For people who come here from Latin American countries and commit murders only to flee back to their homeland to avoid prosecution, it means "Do unto others then run like hell!" And remember - just as I will be judged, ye shall be judged, as will the illegals.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
To Melissa: That is the great thing about this country - if you don't like it, you are free to LEAVE!

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:15 PM
As for you JOSE, "VIVA MEXICO" go back. we don't want you here!

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Chaz, don't talk to me about the Poor! I work two jobs to support my self and go to school. I don't drive a fancy car and have no credit cards. I have been a single parent and was denied assistance because I made too much money so I had to get a second job to survive while these ILLEGAL immigrants be what ever nationality have come over here and gotten what ever help they can get. Yet they drive fancy cars have the name brand clothes and shoes and act like thugs. Quite frankly I am appauled that someone like you defends these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. That is the problem, everyone wants to defend them instead of taking them and sending them home. How about the guy in the paper (just this morning) that stole the identy of the Goshen guy and now has problems with the IRS because of taxes...That is OK right? Let them take your identy if you want to support them so daggone much. I say every time one of them get in trouble deport their butts.

Posted by: Ruff Location: Bend on Mar 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Perhaps a simple acid test is in order to verify the results of this study. Say...lets remove around 5000 illegals in the area and see if the study holds water. I should think that this would be enough people to develop a regression analysis and verify said facts.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 30, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Well it's nice to see we can have reasoned debate. Yeah, that "What Would Jesus Do" crap. Really awful to think about isn't it? If you people spent less time worrying about illegals and focused on the real problems in this world, you might wind up a lot happier.

Posted by: Alison on Mar 30, 2008 at 07:50 PM
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Posted by: JOSE Location: GOSHEN on Mar 30, 2008 at 06:39 PM
VIVA MEXICO

Posted by: That Statue Location: In the harbor on Mar 30, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Does that statue say..."come here illegally, break as many laws as you see fit, cram your language and culture down our throats and rob us blind"? Perhaps it says, "come here illegally and steal our identities, depress our wages and demand we reward you for your crimes, pop out babies like a vending machine and place them ahead of our children every chance you get"? By the type and tone of our newest immigrant masses (the illegal alien invaders) that statue should just say this, "come on over illegally the welfare office is that way and the materinty ward is this way..."!

Posted by: Have you read Location: the truth? on Mar 30, 2008 at 04:48 PM
In the last few months the L.A.TIMES (a pro illegal alien paper) has published articles about how the county did an audit of the welfare rolls in California and they were shocked to find (because they are idiots) that L.A. COUNTY pays out 1 billion dollars PER YEAR in welfare to just illegal aiens! Not all welfare residents, just illegals and their anchor babies! That's one BILLION dollars for just one county in Ca for just one year! That one billion figure did not include free lunches, education, incarceration or court costs, nor did it include translators for county services or schools. And it did not include the WIC COUPON program as that is funded by the feds thru the USDA. Also, it didn't not include "MED-I-CAL" which is Calfornia's version of medicaid (another welfare freebie)!Now, tell us again how only a few illegals use welfare please...we need a good laugh!!

Posted by: Let's not! Location: The real world on Mar 30, 2008 at 04:20 PM
To "Let's be united": My guess from your post is that you're of the "under 30" age group and an anchor baby yourself and/or know someone close to you who is an illegal. I doubt you're a taxpayer, in any event. And your comment about illegals not getting benefits, etc.: WRONG!!! You get your facts straight. Legal citizens are paying for those who are illegally here, despite what those around you may be telling you. Those are the real facts.

Posted by: Jane Location: SB on Mar 30, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Chaz -- I have only two words for you: SHUT UP!! The only sensible thing you said at all was "secure the border." No one rational can deny that EVERYONE suffers the effects of illegal immigration. Go to any SB school and you will find at least one person who has been hired to be a "liason" for immigrant students. (The translation for this job description is sit around and translate and/or chase these kids around because they're truant!) The red carpet has been rolled out for them and the taxpayer, once again, is footing the bill. It's this whole bleeding-heart-what-would-Jesus-do-rhetoric that further sticks it to the LEGAL American. I'm tired of paying for healthcare for these people. We all know that Mexico isn't a desirable place to live and everyone gets why they want to be here, BUT DO IT THE LEGAL WAY! AND STOP HAVING KIDS TO (DISHONESTLY) STAY HERE! (By the way, I am a working, taxpaying, homeowning, married mother of three who doesn't receive aid, nor wants any!)

Posted by: Leo Location: goshen on Mar 30, 2008 at 03:41 PM
GET A CLUE...LIBERTY says that she lifts her lamp BY THE GOLDEN DOOR...to welcome people coming in by the DOOR...not sneaking in over/under the fence. Americans are sick of paying for illegals...mostly mexicans. Mexico is a VERY rich country...let them fight thier own government for benefits. Why should we raise thier anchor babies? Just because they are close enough to WALK in our country does not make it right. Just as I would not WALK into my neighbors house just because it is NICER.

Posted by: Melissa Location: SB on Mar 30, 2008 at 02:38 PM
All you people make me want to pick up and leave this hate-filled country. And this is MY country that is making me sick! I bet you any other country would welcome me.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 30, 2008 at 01:39 PM
I am a born and raised American. My family has been in this country since the 1500's and I'm part native American. The very debate is ridiculous. The only reason most people were able to come to this country is because it was easy to come to this country. They didn't have to pay thousands of dollars to do so. And no, contrary to what you think, many of them didn't learn English. Their kids did. Once again, I'm amazed at the the glaring lack of compassion or understanding beyond your own little worlds. Do you guys believe in God? If so, when you die, you're going to be judged. One of the judgments will be how did you treat your fellow man. Not just your equals but those that are worse off than you. How are you going to answer? What would the poor say about how you treated them? Of you're not a Christian, look at this purely as a moral issue. If you were the immigrant, how would you want to be treated? Do unto others is a universal truth. What's so hard to understand about it?

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Close the border!!!

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 30, 2008 at 03:01 AM
You Chaz you seem to be such a supporter. Are you not an American? Are you an illegal your self? So it takes time and money to come here legally..."where there is a will, there is a way"! Do it the legal way or stay there. Learn english or stay there. Don't come here and EXPECT us to accomodate to you and have us learn spanish. Our ancestors came here with very little money, worked hard and learned the languaged, it was not too good for them to do and it should not be too good for anyone else.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 30, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Chaz states: "As for benefits, sure people scam the system but should we make everyone suffer because of the few that do?" I hate to tell you this but this is already happening. The illegals are scamming the system and the ones who truly need the benefits can't get them! Let their own governments take care of them and let the US take care of US Citizens. As for their children - they can take them with them when they go. They are unruly in stores and allowed to run around unsupervised. They gave birth to them, they can take care of them.

Posted by: Ken Location: Elkhart on Mar 29, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Have you considered the fact that they supress citizens wages in the area.... Fact they are here ILLEGAL.... With this logic you are useing then if a bank robbers contributed enough moneys into the area...they you would fight to keep them out of jail???.. Given ANY Form of amnesty to these illegals is a crime.... Every convict in our prisons can give you the same sob storys for breaking our laws an they was still punished These people are "NOT IMMAGRANTS"...they are "ILLEAGAL INVADERS" And they "BROKE OUR LAWS"...Have you Also calulated the fact that 12-25 amercian citizens are murdered or killed by DUIs from "ILLEGALS" a day....Or did you figured thats a PLUS For Funeral Homes???...This is a OUR RAGE that you even consider any form of amnesty for this invasion...Would you stick up for me if i robbed a bank to "BETTER MY FAMILY"?? This is no different... Its not just Latinos either im talking ALL..Illegals.. Need to GO HOME

Posted by: naomi Location: osceola on Mar 29, 2008 at 07:23 AM
why has nothing happened to janko is he in jail 33 people that can,t speak english he didn,t know thay were illegals ? put owners in jail then it WILL STOP we need the jobs not them

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I disagree with Les. Who determined that the USA should be the ones to bring the Mexicans up to speed on "the system"? Why not Canada or some other country? I agree with the others who say illegals should learn English before they come here. I think it is disrespectful to go to another country and not know the language, especially if you plan on living there. Do you honestly think that the pompous French would cater to English-speaking people the way we do with Latinos? No! They wouldn't! I still think the lot of them should ban together, go back to Mexico, Cuba, or whereever and demand that their own governments support them.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 28, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Yeah Leo. You're right, we should let them be born in Mexico and die instead. Also we'll have to shred a little more of the constitution again. Oh, also if we say that being born here doesn't make you a citizen, guess what? None of us are citizens. As for benefits, sure people scam the system but should we make everyone suffer because of the few that do? Sorry kids, no food for you because people don't want to feel like anyone is ripping them off. Maybe we can hang a sign on the Statue of Liberty to replace that says" Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Maybe we can replace it with something snappy like: "STAY OUT UNLESS YOU SPEAK ENGLISH! OTHERWISE WE WUDN'T CROSS THE STREET TO PEE ON YOU IF YOU WAS ON FIRE!" If any of you xenophobes can figure out how to work the word "Terror" in there, that'd be just swell.

Posted by: Leo Location: Goshen on Mar 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Hey now...it only takes a couple anchor babies born premature to cost millions to the taxpayers. This story is stupid and flawed.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 28, 2008 at 11:24 AM
To "Let's Be United" - Recheck YOUR facts! My Family Services caseworker ADMITTED to me that illegals receive what he called, "emergency benefits"!!! Plus, if you ever go over an application for benefits - be it Indiana or Social Security, 9 times out of 10, they will read "We will not report you to INS." It is an outrage and I'm glad to read that the majority of commenters agree.

Posted by: Bill Location: Elkhart on Mar 28, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Way to go Oklahoma. Why don't the Morons running our state try the same thing? Maybe when enough people start speaking out they will begin to realize they had better change their views or face losing in the next election! NumbersUSA.com, take a look at it!

Posted by: Tonya Location: South Bend on Mar 28, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Well, Since I was told that I am not sensitive to illegals, the impression that I am being given from other people is that "It is good to break our Laws, everyone is doing it". I guess be a law abiding citizen is a bad thing to be. So, it must be okay to be in this country illegally. (i'm being sarcastic, btw)

Posted by: les Location: mishawaka on Mar 28, 2008 at 09:18 AM
did the college study ask whos jobs these poeole are taking and what happened to the wages in the area? I left this place 10 years ago and you could make a good living here. Now it's almost inppossable to fine one that pays more then $10 an hour. That is the real bottem line. Some say they are doing the jobs us americans will not. That is just wrong they are taking all the jobs and putting a chock hold on the job market. Have any of your teens tried to get a job lately? I can remember being able to go any where around here and get a good job at decent pay but those days are gone now. We as a people have to deside how to get them up to date with the rest of us. How did the irish do it in 1800's? How did the italians make the transition? it can be done and it must be done by us. While living in florida i had the oppertunity to suppervize a crew of hispanic men and they are hard working people but they do not understand the system. so employers take addvantage of this cheap labor force

Posted by: USA on Mar 28, 2008 at 07:01 AM
I know for a fact that illegal immigrants get free medical care and drugs. Heart City Clinic in Elkhart is a clear example of this. This facility is subsidized by a local hospital and basically gives away free drugs to any person who walks through the door. They don’t ask for proof of citizenship or insurance. If ICE would like to catch a few hundred illegal immigrants a week they simple need to sit in the waiting room of this clinic.

Posted by: Kari Location: Elkhart on Mar 28, 2008 at 03:04 AM
I don't get this. Everyone is worring what it would do to our community to have the illegal immigrants deported. If these people want to live in our communities then they need to do it legally, and not EXPECT us to accomodate them. Tehy need to learn our language if they want to live here and work and pay taxes just like the rest of us. I work in the medical field and I see so many immigrants come in for care, hand over medcaid cards and then get mad because I do not speak spanish....HELLO...I am in AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH not spanish. We have to pay extra for people to come in and translate for these people, and they "proudly display their flag. Well if they are that proud of their Country then go back there and live. I don't have a problem with any one who wants to live here legally and trys to speak english but the ones I deal with will give multiple dates of birth with multiple names and then don't even know how to spell the name, this screams I am illega.

Posted by: anonymous Location: goshen on Mar 28, 2008 at 02:47 AM
I know how to get a bunch of illegals shipped out go to walmart they all shop there! What makes me sick is the fact they go in and use their food stamp card to buy their groceries then they walk right over to buy their children real gold chains and earrings. They get snippy cause no one understands their language because they don't understand ENGLISH! Ship em' out by the bus loads I say!

Posted by: OKLAHOMA LAW Location: IS A SUCESS on Mar 28, 2008 at 02:07 AM
Oklahoma reports over 100,000 illegals have fled the state since their tough laws were passed, signed and enacted! They expect double that to leave before the end of the year! Their welfare rolls have lost over 40% (so much for illegals not using welfare) and their schools are becoming less crowded and requiring less taxpayer funded translators and ESL teachers! Illegals self deport when the laws are ENFORCED! Deportation thru attrition does work and the only idiots who don't see it or believe it are far left idiots who want us to be the third world's dumping ground! As for citizenship for military service? Well, can you make sure the women (illegals) do it too? Can you stop them from popping out anchors every 9 months at taxpayer expense from cradle to grave? We don't need more soldiers or illegals! We need more states to enforce the laws and send these invaders home where they belong.

Posted by: Lets be united Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:38 PM
everyone who left negative comments think about it ALL these ILLEGALS that you want to ship back u need 2 stop and think; no one will ever claim the state, fed taxes they get deducted from there check weekly,no one will ever claim the ssi also deducted every week. Most americans say right now they will work the illegals work but i have never seen another race in the fields picking fruits,vegetables,cotton etc.etc... It is not easy to come here legal bcause ins takes 15-18years to even review your application if ur not married to a us citizen,req by us citizen etc. etc...also illegals dont qualify for food stamps,medicaid SSI or any gov programs so really do some research then post ur comments this is the problem w/society now a days the ignorance of parents,bro,sis,aunt,uncle etc..etc...raising children to be ignorant. America doesn't belong to only one race and illegals r not only mexicans,latinos there r all kind latinos r just willing to fight 4 change.

Posted by: Phillip Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 09:35 PM
Cost of deportation -- $100 Billion. Annual cost to U.S. taxpayers to host the ILLEGAL Foreign Unknowns who come with their crime, gangs and diseases -- a minimum of $300 BILLION A YEAR AND IT GROWS WITH THOUSANDS WALKING IN EVERY WEEK!!! $4 MILLION A DAY JUST TO JAIL THE ONES CAUGHT AND CONVICTED!! WAKE UP AMERICA -- DEPORT, CUT YOUR LOSSES NOW!!! SEAL YOUR BORDERS, OUTLAW ANCHORS, AND ENFORCE YOUR LAWS!!! NO BORDERS NO COUNTRY -- AND THE REAL GOAL IS TO MERGE THE U.S. WITH MEXICO INTO THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION WHICH WILL BE A 2 CLASS THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!! THAT IS WHY THE WORKING/MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA IS BEING DESTROYED!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Indiana on Mar 27, 2008 at 06:18 PM
I don't have a problem with immigrants coming here from ANY country, but do it LEGALLY. My husband went through the process to get his green card and he has it now. The next step is getting his Citizenship, but we have to wait at least 3 years to get it. I do agree it ISN'T right for them to come here ILLEGALLY and get on welfare, and keep having 1 baby after another. Of course we SHOULDN'T have to put anything in Spanish for them because they don't know how to speak English, this is America. My husband speaks very good English and he should because this is America. He's a VERY HARD WORKER too! If you don't know English when you come here LEGALLY they have classes that teach you English, or learn it before you come here. It's like if we go to some other country we should know their language because that's their country. PLZ just do things the LEGAL way before you come to America from ANY country!

Posted by: Edward Location: Mi on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:48 PM
I know for a fact a bunch of Illegal Mexicans get free Medicade, Get free Narcotics. Anykind they want, and sell them on the street for more free money. They are disregarding every law they possibly can and laughing about it. They even get free food off a plastic card and trade the food for pot, meth and alcohol or gas for their Escalade. This is a FACT. Some Government we have. They can't stand or want to know the REAL truth. They are blind as a Bat ! Probably on purpose. "Press One for English...my #ss !

Posted by: Bill Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Chaz, your'e either illegal or just plain stupid. First of all mass deportation is unrealistic, however deportation through attrition is not. Start enforcing the laws and fine any employer who hires an illegal. Then cut off all social aid that my tax dollars are giving these people and when they figure out that we won't be giving any more free hand outs most will leave on their own. It's already been proven. Take a look at the numbersUSA.com web site and you can read all about it! Bottom line is if they are here illegally they need to leave. Why should my tax dollars and my social services go to someone who does'nt deserve it and certainly has contributed nothing to it?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Mishawaka on Mar 27, 2008 at 04:29 PM
I completely agree with sending illegal immagrents to fight in the US army to EARN their rights to be here and then become citizens. If not, there are more than plenty of people sitting home on welfare that are fully capable of taking the jobs that illegal immegrants are working. My great grandparents came over here legally with no money! They did not get free health care or were they able to start a business tax free! They worked hard for everything they have and to get to where they are LEGALLY!!!!

Posted by: ROBERT CONT... Location: SOUTH BEND on Mar 27, 2008 at 04:13 PM
SO I ASK. WHO ARE THE PEOPLE REALLY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST? IT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE ILLEGALS. IF THEY WERE NOT JAMMING THE SYSTEM, MAYBE PEOPLE LIKE US WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO START OUR LIVES UNDER THE 8 BALL.

Posted by: ROBERT Location: SOUTH BEND on Mar 27, 2008 at 04:11 PM
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT REALLY HITS HOME. I FELL IN LOVE WITH A KOREAN EXCHANGE STUDENT AT MISHAWAKA HIGH SCHOOL 12 YEARS AGO. WHEN SHE WENT BACK, WE HAD TO HAVE A LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIP FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GET MARRIED. WE GOT MARRIED WHEN SHE WAS ON A VISITING VISA(GOOD FOR A MONTH) 7 years ago. SHE JUST RECENTLY BECAME A CITIZEN. IT TOOK THAT LONG. SHE LEARNED PERFECT ENGLISH IN 4 MONTHS. HER WRITING GRAMMAR IS BETTER THAN MOST NATIVE BORN AMERICANS. SO WHAT IS MY POINT? MY POINT IS. ILLEGALS NEVER LEARN ENGLISH. WE CATER TO THEIR NEEDS. WE PUT THINGS IN SPANISH FOR THEM. THEY HAVE A CHILD AND GET FREE HEALTH CARE FOR THE CHILD (ANCHOR BABIES). I HAD TO FILE A AFFADAVIT OF SUPPORT FOR MY WIFE. DURING THE 3 YEARS IT TOOK FOR THE GREEN CARD, IF SHE USED ANY GOVERNMENT SERVICE IE.. WELFARE, MEDICAID, ETC... I WAS FINANCIAL RESPONSIBLE. SHE HAD TO GET A DOCUMENT CALLED "ADVANCED PAROL" TO RE-ENTER THE US WHEN SHE VISITED HER SICK FATHER IN KOREA AT A COST OF OVER $200.00.

Posted by: Tom Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Father Chris should know the Polish people that have been displaced, vandalized, robbed and terrorized by the "immigrant" influx right there in that neighborhood. They paint up the garages of these elderly people, break into their houses and steal their pets. Wait till they're granted amnesty and there's 75 million of them here. We'll be putting up with a National Holiday that'll commemorate these criminals' pardon. It is getting so bad that half the people here will be these illegal immigrants. They already fly the Mexican flag right there in Father Chris's neighborhood. It makes one wonder what other crimes Father Chris indulges in.

Posted by: Anoymous Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Chaz, I do not believe anybody is suggesting killing 12,000,000 or more illegal immigrants that are in the United States of America illegally. Please do not try to compare what Hitler did to the Jews with stopping the flow of illegal immigrants in to this country. It is not the same and you know it. Round them up and send them back.

Posted by: Frm St. Adalbert Location: So. bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 03:07 PM
Boy when I went to St. Adalbert as a child, our school was full of bilingual students also, the major difference was they were all Polish, spoke English as a primary language and were LEGAL. The parents did come to school, most spoke broken English, some brought their children to interpret. Most worked blue collar jobs and sent money back home. None requested all the text books be printed in polish, most took public transportation. There were plenty of Polish owned markets, Kuberski and Kolacz Bros. So why the scenario seems the same, so why ask for special treatment OHHH because they are Illegal gotcha.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 27, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Why not give them a fast track to citizenship if they serve in the military?

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 02:14 PM
To Chaz: You know what...too bad. If you cannot speak the language and follow the rules set up, then get DONT COME HERE. Learn the language, then read the sign "Stay Put". We don't need them, and don't want them.

Posted by: DEB on Mar 27, 2008 at 01:44 PM
One easy solution, make Mexico a state!

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 01:37 PM
The reason that none of the candidates will even think about deporting the illegal immigrants is that it is just plain NUTS. First of all, logistically speaking, do you have any idea what the cost of rounding up 12 million or more people would be? Billions. And how do we find them? Start calling INS every time we seen a Hispanic person? Isn't that what the Germans did? Then the cost of actually sending them back. Again, billions. Of course the border won't be secure yet so they'll come right back. And when you send the parents back, do you send the kids too because if so, you're not only violating the constitution, not that we mind these days unless it deals with the 2nd amendment, but you're basically punishing the kids for their parents choices. I don't feel that's fair. It will only breed hate and resentment. You'll be left with millions of unfilled jobs, lots of vacant housing and a black mark in the eyes of the rest of the world regarding human rights and compassion. WWJD indeed.

Posted by: L Location: Indiana on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Im happy to see that the majority of the people posting on here are against giving these illegal immigrants amnesty and are for sending them back to start over. Please remember this when you vote. Its completely crazy to me that none of the presidential candidates is willing to listen to the majority of the population and look to solve this problem in a way that is fair to the CITIZENS of the United States. It may be bad in Mexico, fine, I wont argue with that. However, I went to school with a girl from Russia whose family endured years of tourture while waiting to get into the States. They got in and they did it LEGALLY, they didnt have the option of swimming across the river. You cant tell me that 99% of these people dont "sneak" in here just to push out babies and get free health care. It wasnt as bad when I was in school as it is today, and it hasnt been that long but I know, even 9 years ago, these non-english speaking illegals were affecting our learning in the classroom

Posted by: James Location: South Bend IN on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:45 PM
why should the legal citizens have to pay the price increase of health care and the increase in crime because some if you are not here leagley you should be given a free pass.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:40 PM
My Husband and I own a Lawn Care Business, we barely make a profit with all the differenet taxes and insurances we pay. We do not employ Hispanics, yes we could actually be very profitable by replacing our current guys with Mexicans, because we pay our guys a good fair wage. But we can not bring ourselves to do it besides all the legal issues that come along with it. But I have to say we have been tempted, alot of the Americans guys do not want to work as hard. They do not show up etc..Our friend hires Mexicans and they work their butts off. But we do not want to go that route even for the extra money!

Posted by: Anoymous Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM
For a second there I thought I was reading an article on CNN. I am more than convinced that employers in Elkhart County are catering to the illegal immigrants. No doubt St. Joe is the same. My son who is white goes in and ask for an application to be told they are not hiring. My niece who is anglo/mexican goes in after he leaves and she gets an application. These kids are both 20 years old and capable. Simply amazing. If you are in this country illegally you should be rounded up and sent packing. It is the law. Period!

Posted by: desertmtngrl Location: Phoenix, AZ on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM
You should try living in AZ where we passed an employer sanctions law against hiring ILLEGAL immigrants, just to find out that it is not even being enforced! What a joke! I'm so glad that one person here agrees with me on the matter of the costs of putting everything in Spanish, including billboards! I think if this country didn't make it so easy for them to NOT HAVE to learn ENGLISH, then maybe they would learn that their pre-high school education does fair to well in a country that is striving to educate our young people to be good, strong, INTELLIGENT, leaders for the future. I lived in Indiana my whole life up until 3 years ago and am very disappointed in the lack of concern and control we have in our OWN country for AMERICANS! GOD BLESS THE USA!

Posted by: Ron Location: Here on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Oh yes one more little fact that should be addressed about all the taxes ect. they pay to our economy. According to the IRS rules all they have to do is claim they are supporting a family in another country they get all there tax dollars paid back to them to send back to where they came from. They have to supply no formal documentation of who they support. So, with there stolen identities they file taxes and receive all the taxes paid right back to them in a refund. I found this little fact with the IRS after a 500.00 mistake that cost me over 3 thousand to correct. It is amazing how our country treats it own legal tax paying citizens and keeps giving everything to the poor folks just trying for a better life. All the ways to scam the US is available at the border in flyers so the know what they can scam when they get here, GO Back home Please

Posted by: CONCERNED Location: MICHIANA on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I THINK REVEREND COX SHOULD FIRED, AND I GOT AN IDEA LET EVERYONE COME IN THE LEGAL WAY SO THERE IS A BALANCE OF ALL NATIONALITIES. CRIMINALS CAN'T WANDER THE STREETS CONTRIBUTING WHY SHOULD ILLEGALS?? IF WE ENCOURAGE ALL ONE NATIONALITY OUR COUNTRY WILL BE OVERCOME, AND REVEREND COX I AM ASHAMED THAT I WAS ONCE A PARISHIONER AT ST ADALBERTS CHURCH . MIGHT AS WELL CHANGE THE CHURCH NAME TO ST ALBERTOS COME ON!!!!!!!

Posted by: vhk Location: south bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM
This is a very, very slanted article. This is the United States of America, not Mexico. English is our language, not Spanish. I have a hard time with illegal aliens feeling that they have rights in the USA. Taxpayers are paying through the nose because of this issue. I fully agree that illegal immigrants are people, but they are people breaking the law and not paying their fair share, also taking jobs that legal citizens should have. Shame on the local businesses,or any business for that matter, who knowingly hires illegal aliens. Do the crime, pay the time I say on both sides.

Posted by: Allen Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM
I can’t wait to see the formula the Ms. Wozniak used to calculate these numbers. I’m assuming she included the medial expenses illegal’s incur and get passed to each tax payer. The additional funds necessary to support our schools systems. The increased insurance cost we all pay one gets into an accident and isn’t insured. It’s amazing to me someone so intelligent can be so blind. I’m sure she very confident an illegal won’t be taking her job.

Posted by: Indiana on Mar 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Immigration Reform should equal = You immigrate legally & if not we send you back. No questions. Part of legal immigration is learning to speak English. No questions. If you want to speak Spainish - stay there. Keep your gangs in your country. IF you immigrate legally - you do the jobs we don't want to do. Employers that hire illegals for less than what they pay us should be fined big time. Illegals that are caught using free healthcare or any other 'privelege' here should be put into work programs and when the debt is repaid - send them back. Don't give me the WWJD line because if He wanted them here - they would have been born here not Mexico! The U.S. is spending millions upon millions studying, worrying, legislating, feeding, clothing, etc, etc, etc... ILLEGALS. While at the same time our veterans have substandard care and our 'aged out' foster children live on the streets. How can we as a country take better care of ILLEGALS then we do our own???

Posted by: Dave Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I would only ask Reverend Chris Cox of St. Adalbert's Parish and his legal, educational, and healthcare service providers what other laws they beleive it's alright to break. As for Chaz comment, it's not our job to help them learn English. I already support half of them with my tax dollars. Maybe if they stopped having children like rabbits, they'd have time to learn English.

Posted by: Chaz Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM
You know, if you want them to speak English so badly, as most of them want to do, you can volunteer to help teach them. The average wait time to get into a class to learn english is almost 2 years. If any of use were in their position, we'd hope that same fence. It will cost at least $10,000 and an average wait of 5-10 years for a family of 4 to immigrate form Mexico legally. Hard to do when you're lucky to make $2000 a year. If you look at it purely as a humanitarian issue, that whole what would Jesus do thing, it's much easier to know what the right thing is. Secure our borders, make it easier to get here legally, give amnesty to those who haven't committed felonies and move on.

Posted by: phil Location: mentone on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:54 AM
You are assumeing that if the illegals were deported nobody would take there place. When the police rounded up the illegals in the mishawaka business the next day people were lined up for the jobs. My point is that someone legal would take the job the illegal has now and they would be paying TAXES and buying products.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM
To Jeff: How can an "honest" living be done when they come here illegally and are hired illegally?

Posted by: M Location: V on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Thank you Debra, the word illegal was only brought once in the article. That question (first sentence) was never addressed or answered in the entire article. I agree with everyone up to and including the last posting at this time -LCB-9:36

Posted by: Jeff Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Father Chris is a wonderful man who just wants to help good people live good lives. He never advocates breaking laws and does not encourage people to ignore laws. I am glad he is bringing attention to our dire need for immigration reform because that is what is best for all people living in the United States. All the arrested people from Janco were working hard to be productive members of American socitey. Before you cast stones at immigrants, try to imagine what you would do if you had to live in their situation, much of which is beyond their control. They are not asking for a free ride, just a chance to live in peace, earn an honest living, and protect their families.

Posted by: LCB on Mar 27, 2008 at 09:36 AM
The city must reject all sanctuary policies immediately.

Posted by: ????? Location: Nappanee on Mar 27, 2008 at 08:57 AM
I really have a hard time believing that the word "harmful" is the right word. Did the study include the $'s payed into the programs that immagrants take advantage of? Did the study include the number of immagrants that are in our jails and prisons, and the cost to tax payers to pay for their stay? How about all the extra cost in printing things in spanish because they refuse to learn English? What about the unemployment rate because employers want to pay little to immagrants (who get gov. help)? What about all the $'s lost that the immagrants send back home to their relatives? What about the growing gang activity? Concidering everything I don't feel "harmful" would be the best word to describe getting tougher on immagration policy. Those in leadership should be fighting for the rights and betterment of America rather than bending over backwards not to offend immagrants. It is AMERICA, we speak ENGLISH, CHRISTIANITY IS OUR RELIGION, we work hard for what we have. Why let THEM change US?

Posted by: Tonya Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Illegal immigration is taking it's toll within the Healthcare industry. It is the illegal immigrants that are recieving free healthcare. As legal citizens, we have to pay for the healthcare they are recieving, with the increasing costs of healthcare. I still believe that if the illegal immigrants want to live here, they NEED to follow immigration law and become citizens (the legal way). Is that too much to ask of the immigrants? Just my 2 cents worth.

Posted by: Jeanne Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 08:17 AM
I don't like the fact that they are here illegally. Also how much of the spending that they do is from are tax dollars they are getting? They need to learn english. To get a good job for Americans you have to know spanish. THIS IS AMERICA SPEAK ENGLISH. Illegally immigration don't pay any taxes and receive free medical,food and education. I can't pay the cost to send my child to college and they receive college for free from are taxes. I pay $2700.00 taxes per year to support illegals. They need to pay there far share. Gangs are also a big problem in the schools and county.

Posted by: Lee Location: Granger on Mar 27, 2008 at 07:57 AM
Send all the Mexicans back home!!!

Posted by: Rudy Location: Mishawaka on Mar 27, 2008 at 07:21 AM
Great job on this report WNDU. The economics of a problem is ALWAYS more important than the legality of the situation!

Posted by: Chad Location: St Joe County on Mar 27, 2008 at 06:24 AM
When will this panel discuss sending illegals back to comply with the Law??

Posted by: larry Location: elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:53 AM
Im unemployed now. And have been for a while. i have been self employed for 18 years. This is the worst ive ever seen for trying to find and maintain employment. I have been told that there is no way i can compete with the immigrant influx into the work force. I have been told this by employers, in particular the ones that would employ my services. Being born and raised here in Indiana makes it difficult to handle and UNDERSTAND.

Posted by: Debra Location: Elkhart on Mar 27, 2008 at 05:33 AM
Immigrants are not the issue. The issue is the illegal immigrants. It does not matter what country an illegal immigrant is from none of them has any business living in our country and using the systems the way they do. If they want to live here they should go back to their country of origin and go through legal channels to live here. It does not matter how long they have been in our country illegal is illegal. No one should be allowed to employ them because that is just aiding and abetting them. If they cannot work here maybe that will help them get the message to go back and do things legally. The way companies are closing in this country because of all the outsourcing to other countries they can probably go back and find a job where ever they have come from. I have no problem with those who are here legally.

Posted by: Ron Location: Here on Mar 27, 2008 at 01:23 AM
Oh the poor immigrants, why don"t you do a study and see how many are milking the welfare system on a monthly basis, not paying any of there medical bills every time they run to the ER for a illness, commit crime, or flee the scene of an accident they caused, and then come cry to me about how unfair the system is to them. I am so sick and tired about how unfair the system is to them, go back to your own country instead of trying to make our country a poor rat infested hole like yours! If they serve in the military they are fast tracked with no problems get your facts straight.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 01:03 AM
Ran out of room Indiana Code IC 12-14-15-1 states: Assistance to qualified individuals Sec. 1. Assistance shall be given to a needy individual with a disability who meets the following qualifications: (1) Has a pending application on file with the federal Social Security Administration for assistance under Public Law 92-603,..." I did submit proof that my SS case was pending and was STILL denied Medicaid benefits. If these Mexicans were smart, the millions of illegals would ban together and march on Mexico City and demand that their own government support them. It would still be partially funded by the USA, since countless jobs have packed up and moved down there and they also get our tourism.

Posted by: JavaGal Location: South Bend on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:48 AM
What a crock! How can income from a job be calculated when, chances are, that the illegal immigrant isn't paying income taxes and probably stole someone's identity for papers? How many out of work Americans would love to have the jobs held by illegal immigrants? Also - can someone please explain to me why illegal immigrants are granted "emergency medical benefits" such as Medicaid when I, a disabled 40-ish white woman who is waiting for SS to hear my case after 3 years, keeps getting turned down for Medicaid??? I get no "emergency benefits" yet, if I don't take my meds, I will die. And I can't get prescriptions without seeing a doctor which means more money for the doctor, plus money for necessary labwork, etc. Doesn't make sense that someone can infiltrate our borders illegally and get handed everything they want and someone born and raised here, whose father fought in 2 wars, can't get assistance. ILLEGALS GO HOME!!!!


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