Indiana looks at strict illegal immigration bill
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Posted: 6:56 PM Feb 19, 2008
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A bill in the statehouse that would come down hard on employers of illegal immigrants has Elkhart business owners worried.

The bill's already passed the senate, and came out of a house committee Monday.

The bill would set up a three-tiered system to punish businesses that knowingly hire illegals.

On the third offense in a 5-year period, the business could lose its state license!

And while some legislators say it's an important step, business owners in an area with a growing Hispanic population, say it's a step in the wrong direction.

“I’m in favor of immigration law that makes sense,” said Carol McDowell, President of McDowell Enterprises, Inc. in Elkhart.

McDowell says she has accidentally hired illegal workers in her Elkhart factory in the past… and says when she found out, it was a simple process.

“At that point, our policy is, as I’m sure many companies' policies are, that we let that person go,” McDowell said.

And she's worried the new legislation will put businesses in jeopardy.

“The layer of protection that's in there for employers is as long as they're putting in that name and social security number in the e-verify system, produced by the federal government, then that employer has immunity from whatever happens to that employee as it pertains to the issue of illegal immigration,” said state Representative Jackie Walorski.

But McDowell says that verification system didn't put up flags on the 7 illegals she hired in the last 5 years.

And it's not just a problem for her.

“It's really hard to figure out who's legal and who's not sometimes. The federal help that they have, e-verify system is notoriously wrong, it really doesn’t help anyone,” said Kyle Hannon with the Elkhart Chamber of Commerce.

And Hannon worries about the implications of a law like this one.

“Realistically, a thousand people could lose their jobs because employees in human resources misbehaved,” Hannon said.

Legislators say it's part of a larger cause.

“It's not just the issue that employers are hiring illegal workers, its the fact that there are people coming into the county illegally,” Walorski said.

And Hannon agrees it is a problem; that he says should be fixed a different way.

“This senate bill does not solve illegal immigration, it can cause bigger problems. This is a federal issue that really has to be solved by the federal government,” Hannon said.

Walorski says using the e-verification system would protect businesses from legal trouble.

She says while some businesses already use it, they're not forced to, and she says requiring it would crack down on a lot of problems.

It's still being discussed, and Republicans say changes the house committee made Monday make the bill weaker than they'd like.

Walorski says she thinks democrats are trying to kill the bill.


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Posted by: TERESA Location: JACKSON on Jan 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I,m just trying to figure out how acompany catches an employee bye child support coming out of this guys check the child support was for the guy the illegal had assumed his identity and well when the company found out they had him reapply using new id he had been working there for two years when this happened been there three more now we live in elkhart county there are no jobs for those who really want to work there tied up by people who have no right to be here while the u.s. citizens starve lose there homes everything does noone care that americans are starving right here does noone care the company im refering to systematically hires americans but fires them quickly when there is a full workforce of illegals at there disposal what are we paying taxes for until some one does something serious it does not look good for elkhart since as jobs open up illegals show up by the carload fill them up before we get there how long does america have to suffer with no voice or no ears to listen

Posted by: Frank Location: Constantine on Mar 5, 2008 at 09:48 PM
All the businesses in the states they need to check the biometric finger print on the green card and they will find out the wrong finger print.

Posted by: Fake ID's Location: Elkhart on Feb 22, 2008 at 09:10 AM
Companies need to learn to see the fake id's. Once you learn them, it is so easy to see one. You do not have to accept an id for a new hire if the ID does not appear to be genuine! Illegals will buy a legal persons identity (who will then collect all the social security and tax returns), they will use the ssn, buy fake ids to match and use them. Yes they will verify because it is a real person just not the one in front of you! Learn to see a fake id! It's not hard!

Posted by: M Location: SB on Feb 21, 2008 at 01:33 PM
I get sick and tiresDof hearing English is not the official language here. Okay true, but why is then that I was REQUIRED to take English in school every year and for four more year in college. Why is that if you want to become an American citizen you have to, according to The USCIS, have an understanding of the English language, INCLUDING the ability to read, write, and speak simple words and phrases in ordinary usage in the English language. http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf See page 26 of the link above. Sounds pretty straight forward to me. If I read that page correctly it is not asking you to master English just learn the basics.

Posted by: Fred Sanford on Feb 21, 2008 at 09:04 AM
Lamont, you big dummy. Elizabeth, honey, I'm coming to join you.

Posted by: svengali Location: elkhart on Feb 20, 2008 at 08:25 PM
If the illegals are such great workers and people.....how come mexico is such a dump overall? FIX IT UP AND STAY HOME.

Posted by: anonymous Location: south bend on Feb 20, 2008 at 08:07 PM
xenophobes lies lies illegals get everything for free bull crap. You people are filled with hate maybe not racial hate but hate nevertheless. Your white ancestor had almost no restrictions coming to this country they had almost no problems assimilating because they where white. spanish is as much part of this country as english look at the west coast. I love it when people where making fun of Arnold the gorvernator that he could not pronounce the state capital correct when in fact most american cant either its sacramento a spanish word. You know what i would go ever further i think most of you people are racist see brown people taking over what was once a white neighborhood an hate it. And any new populations will always bring crime with them look at the italians irish when they came here. But keep on blaming it on the mexicans

Posted by: steve Location: plymouth on Feb 20, 2008 at 07:59 PM
shoot to kill at the bordor then ask questions

Posted by: Lamont on Feb 20, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Why don't we just trade places; Americans can go live in Mexico and all the Mexicans can have America.

Posted by: A. Location: Torres on Feb 20, 2008 at 02:02 PM
I feel that a lot of these comments are racist. I am an American w/Latina ancestory and speak and write better English than most people who've posted here. It may help you to know that ENGLISH IS NOT THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE USA. Moreover, to the person who said that children born to illegals in this country should not be legal- then many of the white people here now would not be legal. Europeans took this country piece by piece from Native people. I am not Mexican but think about it: they were here before white people were (as Natives). We need to enforce the laws that we've got not make riduculous new ones. Think about it. If a factory where you work hires illegals and gets its licence taken away, YOU LOSE YOUR JOB TOO! We can handle this situation. We just need to be smart about it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 20, 2008 at 01:14 PM
We have got to make it really TOUGH on any person that is here illegally. St Joe Arapiao of Maricopa County in Arizona, has the solution. EVERY illegal that is caught is NOT deported until they spend time in his jail. His "jail" is a huge wire-razor fence area filled with Army surplus tents and cots. No A/C, everyone wears PINK clothes, INCLUDING underwear. When their time is up, they ARE deported. If the come back, the stay in his jail is longer.....months next time. If they come back again, it becomes YEARS! ANY employer that INSISTS on hiring these illegals SHOULD be arrested and housed right beside these illegals in THEIR pink underwear too. If the employer DOES use "E-Verify", they should be protected by law for reporting all their new employees numbers. When it does come back they are illegal, the INS needs to go to that employer's place and immediately arrest those illegals. If nothing else works, deport the illegals but send them to SOUTH AMERiCA and let the go there.

Posted by: cindy Location: in on Feb 20, 2008 at 12:21 PM
its about time we do something, if people know that they can not make money here, unless they do it the right way they will not keep coming here! we americans cannot even take care of our own familys because alot of our jobs are givin to people who don't belong here,these people are not only doing so called jobs nobody will do but taking good jobs also. if people come here the right way they will be welcome. if i break a law i will be punished,so should antone breaking the law. if we cannot control immigration how the heck do we fight terrorisim. my god with our techonogly we should be able to control these things. companys are just dumping on us again. they can be more effective then they are, it is their county also.

Posted by: Steve Location: Michigan on Feb 20, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Send them all home and closed the borders! Enought already!

Posted by: Kat Location: Dowagiac on Feb 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Walt, jobs are extremely hard to find in Michigan and I dont think our economy can get much worse. The illegals need to go back to where they belong.

Posted by: Angel Eyes Location: South Bend on Feb 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM
An HR person misbehaved? PLEASE! Let me do more than ask for the ID, and run them thru a system that is outdated, let me ask them to prove they are legal. Our Government won't allow me to ask these questions because they are "protected". More and more AMERICAN jobs are sent out of the country...tell them to go to Mexico for work, they won't have to learn a new language and I can keep my job!!

Posted by: John Location: New Carlisle on Feb 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Sounds to me that Kevin Hannon is part of the problem. He says that 1000 people could lose their jobs in this laws is passed. is he talking about 1000 illeagals or what? If he is then what message does that send about the chamber of commerce? I still live for the day that I can buy a Chinese made RV and watch the grass grow in Elkhart County parking lots due to people like Hannon and Mike Yoder.

Posted by: enough already Location: Nappanee on Feb 20, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Stiffer "penalties"? How about taking away all the FREE programs set up for immagrants. They don't care if you take their stuff, it was free anyway and there is more where it came from. You and I are paying out of the nose in taxes for everything we earn and own. Why should'nt everyone? If you want to live here pay your own way legally. If there were not so many FREE programs for immagrants, legal or not, maybe us hardworking Americans could keep a little of what we earn and hey maybe even get some help when we face hard times. The Government will have to stop catering to them, why do they think it is so out of control, everything is FREE for them. I agree with penalizing companies for Hiring illegals, they are contributing to the problem. Hire Americans who are willing to pay taxes. enough is enough. I agree with Furious the language is English, learn it at your own cost. Why do we need to pay for educators to learn spanish, they do not learn Dutch for the Amish kids.??????????????

Posted by: Walt Location: Goshen on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Wow! So many misinformed people out there. I am not an illegal, but had my idnetity stolen by an illegal. It is a pain in the rear trying to deal with the government when this happens. ( I feel a victim by the illegal and the government) Any how jobs are not hard to come by for those who want to work but what eveyone is missing out on is our economy. If we got rid of all the illegals would goshen need 2 walmarts, target, kohls, meiyer and martins? Regardless of this bill passing we will always have illegals but we are probably looking to lose our local economy or create more crime by this passing. Look at all the other places in our country that have tried similar bills and 3 years later they are trying to repeal them because YOU GUESSED they are hurting as a community. I believe that there has to be a solution that would help us all....after all in our past we are all immigrants.

Posted by: HD Location: Nappanee on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:29 AM
I for one am sick of illegals who are getting a free ride. So we don’t offend anyone? Well its offending the hard working American's who are here. I pay out my rear for medical coverage that barely covers anything and they get their babies delivered for free? I make $1000 too much to get a little assistance as a single mother but of course, I bring home a lot less than that and where does some of that tax money go? Fills THEIR refrigerators with food while I struggle to make ends meet on my own. If they want to become citizens, send THEM over to Iraq and let them earn it. If they want to be an American, let them fight for it. See how bad they want to come over here now. For those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, speaking English, and being what it means to be an American, I respect you and this is not aimed at you. But to come over and expect to be taken care of for free and for us to cater to your every need, speak YOUR language, and give you all you need to send any money you earn back to Mexico, that is where we’ve gone wrong to allow that to happen.

Posted by: Sue Location: St joseph, Mi on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:20 AM
What about the American people that don't want to work?? Don't you think this is the reason these companys give jobs to "illegals"?? Because they actually want to work and make money,Because they are dependable? I beleive they work harder than some of our law obeying US Citizens...who don't want to get off their butts to go to work everyday!!

Posted by: BigRedEvil Location: Death Valley on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:16 AM
How about stiffer "penalties" for the illegals? The immigration plays to nice with the illegals. I bet that if everything they have here was impounded,and siezed they'd think differently. Instead they just tell them, to go back to where they came from. We need to enforce the laws already on the books, by the book - to the T - ect. then we might get somewhere.

Posted by: Sue Location: South Bend on Feb 20, 2008 at 09:01 AM
I say, it's about time!!!!!

Posted by: Furious Location: south bend on Feb 20, 2008 at 08:25 AM
This story makes me so angry! No one ever put things in German for my grandparents when they came to this country LEAGALLY! If you are not a citizen and not actively trying to get your citizenship, I say that you need to leave!

Posted by: Tired of it Location: Goshen on Feb 20, 2008 at 07:46 AM
I am tired of the illegal situation and saying the federal govt should solve it just shows people have no clue. I have used the system and it has found a few "problems" like duplicate SSN, invalid numbers, etc. I just dont hire them as I dont need the problem and more employers should do the same. PASS THE LAW!

Posted by: Gaylan Location: Plymouth on Feb 20, 2008 at 06:56 AM
On the illegal immagrints, OMG what is wrong with the USA. Here we are, facing money problems, yet we give millions away, and what part of ILLEGAL do we not understand. We spend way too much money and time folks ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. It is time we STAND deal with ILLEGAL's and start working on getting our nation back on its feet. Would you hire someone to watch your money and home and then let them pour your money all over and let ILLGAL intruders come in and DRAIN your resources. HECK NO you would fire them. COME ON WAKE UP AMERICA lets start getting our country back on its feet and strong again!

Posted by: Ken Location: Plymouth on Feb 20, 2008 at 06:39 AM
Sounds like Ms. McDowell is part of the problem. And how did she know the e-verify system wouldn't have worked on the "7" illegals she's hired? The federal government has failed to address illegal immigration and many states, like Indiana, are being forced to address it or go broke ignoring it. You can't keep providing health care, education and government services to 20 million people who are not legally here in the first place. I don't know about you, but my property taxes are now over $3000/yr. This is partly because we have to pay for "extra" classroom "teachers who speak Spanish to teach kids getting an education at our expense, or for extra police to patrol the roads because illegals drive our roads without licenses. The list is endless. I, for one, am very pleased with this bill and what it can do to improve our way of life and standard of living in Indiana. People need to stop complaining (Ms. McDowell)and starting helping to solve the problem.

Posted by: Wallace Location: Elkhart on Feb 20, 2008 at 06:36 AM
Sound to me as if they..The Employers are trying to shift the blame. (I DIDN'T KNOW AIN'T NO EXCUSE)..sorry bout your luck..If they are illegals, all children born to then here, should not be legalized, but be deported along with the parents..as what they are ILLEGALS.

Posted by: N Location: Mishawaka on Feb 20, 2008 at 02:33 AM
I was wondering where they get the ss# from. They must be using real #'s in order for them to pass e-varify. Do they take someone else's #? Do they use a dead person's? Where do they get working #'s?

Posted by: anonymous Location: Elkhart on Feb 19, 2008 at 11:58 PM
i feel that these companies should be fined and lose their licenses, ship the illegals back and start enforcing the border control . It seems all the factories in Elkhart want to hire only illegals. I am so sick of seeing illegals get everything. They get government help, such as food stamps,medicaid and welfare money, drives nice cars and still work, because they have so many different ssn's and names. And whats sad is the division of family and children will not turn in illegals, but they sure will help them. We taxpayers if we lose a job we cant get the help because they are using up our system if we need it. So we have to do without. But i agree these companies should get in trouble because there is companies that knowingly hire illegals under one name and they go back to their country and return and get rehired under a different name. these companies hire the illegals and there is good LEGAL us citizens that would work hard for these companies but they wont give them a chance.

Posted by: steve Location: warsaw on Feb 19, 2008 at 09:28 PM
its like this no matter how hard we try to keep the illegals out its not going to work there is just to many of them here especially in warsaw,goshen, elkhart every where you look I personally wish the I.N.S would come and clean them all out but I know that is not going to happen but if it would there is your problem to unemployment if your going to be in this great country of ours you better well be a citizen of the United States and speak understandable english did everybody understand that ENGLISH that is the key word to this whole thing They are about to take over our beloved country as if anbody cares Why shuold they come herre and get FREE health care they dont have to pay taxes for five years or so I would say the is a bunch of crap if you are going to life ib\n this country then by GOD pay oyur taxes and pay for health care like everybody else does but why pay for something that is given to you sned them to a tomato patch or some other field

Posted by: David Location: Elkhart on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:26 PM
The solution is clear. When illegals can't find jobs, they'll stop coming to our area. I would suggest that everyone call Carol McDowells corporation and express their personal opinions.

Posted by: Lori Location: USA on Feb 19, 2008 at 08:26 PM
In regards to all the comments listed, there is only one solution to all of this. We the people, MUST start giving the federal goverment hell for not applying are own rules. They need to take this nation back and stop all the illegals from coming. That also includes allowing Vicente Fox, from coming up here and having his say so, or that he will sue the goverment for not complying with him. Run your own country, and stay the hell out of ours! The federal goverment needs to tighten our borders so tight that the US will squeal. Hire all the legal of the out of work people to work the borders, and enforce the laws. Also get the fence, like the Minutemen's built and patroled. If you want in this country, come in the correct way, otherwise this country will end up like Mexico! Piss poor. If you think our seniors are suffering now, just wait and see what will happen if this illegal mess is allowed to continue.

Posted by: Tôm Location: South Bend on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:42 PM
American people are sick of the invasion. They're all over the place openly stealing from us. I thought they only wanted to pick fruit and now look they've stolen Elkhart County's RV industry. One can't even go to the park now because they've taken over the soccer fields and playgrounds. They'd completely take over this country if they had their way and that's exactly what they're doing.

Posted by: Bill Location: Osceola on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:41 PM
We have immigration laws now...no need to make new ones just enforce the ones we now have...problem solved.

Posted by: Kellie Location: Elkhart on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:07 PM
Seems like everyone is long on complaining and short on offering solutions. At least someone is doing something to address the problem. And the complaint seems that it would have released the company owner of any wrong doing as soon as the person passed the verification.

Posted by: Rob Location: Elkhart on Feb 19, 2008 at 07:05 PM
What about the Mexicans? Why are they not punished? There is no fear in the way this is handled right now - If they make it across the border and take someone's identity, or job for that matter, and get caught...big deal. All that happens is they get sent back to try again? We need some strict policies in place to put these loser's in a panic to get the hell out of this country.

Posted by: Jim Location: South Bend on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Hope it passes. There are too many employers in Elkhart and South Bend that would rather hire an illegal immigrant than pay a law obeying U.S. citizen good competite wages.

Posted by: Anita Location: Plymouth on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:31 PM
What they are not telling you about the new immigration bill: If Company A knows that Company B is hiring illegals, and does not report them, Company A can also lose their business license! Hospitals must report on the costs of providing medical care to illegals - how do you do this? By requiring proof of whether or not you are legal when you attempt to check in to the hospital. So, illegals will not go to the hospitals for good medical care, but underground medical care will evolve...a risk for all of us. It is illegal to transport an illegal in your car....so, grandson can't transport grandma without running the risk of being arrested. Come on....Federal laws address all this already....why must Indiana make it even more complicated, and require people to report their neighbors?

Posted by: Melanie Location: La Porte, IN on Feb 19, 2008 at 06:16 PM
I don't feel bad for the woman featured in this story. Like the law says, she is protected if she runs her employees through the SSN lookup. It sounds like she wants to hire illegals. I think it would be good to put this law in effect so that we will have to make a decision regarding the illegal immigrants instead of pretending it's not a problem and hiring them in for a lower wage. What about Americans that need jobs?


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