Student found unconscious on school bus
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Posted: 11:30 AM Jan 11, 2008
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South Bend police say a Greene Intermediate student was found unconscious on a school bus Friday morning as the result of a fight.

Two students were involved, an 11-year-old and a 13-year-old. Police say the younger child said to the older child, "what are you looking at?" The 11-year-old told police the older student then punched him in the face.

"The 13-year-old was not taken into custody today. The case will be forwarded to the prosecutor's office and they'll make a determination whether there's any appropriate charge," says Captain Phil Trent from the South Bend Police Department.

Police tell us the two students got into a fight on Western near Camden and Western in the city of South Bend.

Police are investigating the incident and trying to figure out if the bus driver or other students knew what happened.

The student who got punched was treated at Memorial Hospital and is now home recovering.
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Posted by: Greene parent on Jan 21, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Everyone should also question why so many of our failing schools are not Title one schools. Greene is failing but is not a title one school as with many of our schools. Dr. Raymond chose to move money around and make certian schools title one and others not. Something seems a bit wrong with the system. Come on school board, get your act together. Maybe this was done on purpose so they don't have to answer to the state if they are failing ? Sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 21, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I don't need a clue, I've got it figured out.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 21, 2008 at 08:17 AM
With that kind of grammer, "In God We Trust" should put down the bible for a second and pick up an english book.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Indiana on Jan 21, 2008 at 05:21 AM
All Ive read is people who R so sure that their opinion is right What R U teaching your children If U bicker like this online what goes on in your home? The same thing! Teach your children the Golden Rule Do Unto Others As U Would Have Them Do Unto U When my children do wrong they get spanked and a good talking 2 from dad then we go back 2 who ever they wronged and we apologize Did U catch the we! I agree w/all who said children do what they see or what is going on at home Children who grow up w/no discipline 2 much TV unsupervised internet & violent video games will be undisciplined & violent They will become what they hear same as if the parents do nothing but bicker about something instead of standing firm on what they believe I believe in Biblically raising my children teaching them right from wrong showing them by example what is right and wrong showing them that they should stand strong against wrong but do no wrong Where R the parents! Welfare poverty etc. has nothing to do w/it!
Posted by: hard working mother Location: little town in indiana on Jan 20, 2008 at 09:17 PM
don't you people have anything better to do life's hard no money but will all make it just keep working i wish i could stay home with my kids but thats impossable so i work my butt off everyday for next to nothing people are people and you can try to change them or you can keep truckin.
Posted by: In God We Trust Location: South Bend on Jan 20, 2008 at 04:08 AM
Yes your right it does start at home but the people outside the home or just as bad so its a real big problem I dont trust no one not even Teachers Doctors Lawyers The Mail Carrier People in my Family just my Dog and it is really sad we you have to live like that. The Justice system is not always right either you have some good and evil everywhere.The Police department is even a MESS you have to be really GOD FEARING PEOPLE not wont to bee's
Posted by: McGonnegal Location: 90 degrees to reality on Jan 19, 2008 at 07:12 PM
It's funny, if you read the gospel, Jesus answers questions by repeating himself, and repeating himself trying out different wordings and still drawing blank stares. Every single episode of, "The Nanny" is the same, the parents are setting the example without realizing it, and the nanny has to get them to set a different example, and the kids change. You just want to grab the parents by the neck, "how could you not figure out such a simple thing!?" but every episode it's the same story. I guess some people are hard to educate, and others are just plain uneducable. The plain and simple truth is, kids get it from there parents. The unfortunate truth is, in the ghetto, many of the parents are doing it on purpose. They want their kids to be obnoxiously loud, nasty, brutish and suspicious of anyone not like them, like their parents. At the bus stop near here where section 8 kids gather, you hear kids screaming F bombs, etc. at the top of their lungs. Won't read about that in the paper.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 19, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Folks, education begins at home. The majority of children who behave in these manners have quite possibly seen it their entire lives right in their homes, as their parents most likely did as well. Unfortunately, you and I cannot change that, nor can the teachers in any school. You cannot put the blame on any school administrator, teacher, or politician for that.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Deb you need to shut the up till you have a clue! EVERYONE is tired of hearing you complain!
Posted by: greene parent on Jan 18, 2008 at 03:09 PM
I heard today about the fires as well. The assistant prin. confirmed it as well to me. One other thing I must comment on is the plan z and the low income families. Greene school has such a population of low income families that the school gets free lunches for everyone. The population is basically bussed in from the inner city. It is bothersome. Take alook at Navarre middle school too their stats are scarey. You can get all the population data and information from the Indiana department of education website, linked from SBCSC site too. Happy readying. By the way the assist. princ. was reluctant to confirm the information, but she did.
Posted by: Barb Leahey Location: Mishawaka on Jan 18, 2008 at 02:45 PM
All I can say is, I'm SHOCKED after reading through all of these comments, and only finding ONE other person that I truly agree with!! If everyone could please scroll down to Parentof3 in South Bend---it could not have been said better! Playground fights and that sort of thing were normal when we were all in school. We can play the blame game all day, say it's the teacher's fault and the school's fault, but really it's all going to go back to the fact that we're not raising our kids the way we were raised, with honesty, respect, and DISCIPLINE!!!
Posted by: Ana Location: Warsaw on Jan 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Ok i was just on another website and found another distubing story out of Greene. Now there is another student in trouble for lighting FIRES in the bathroom what is going on in this school this it the 3rd major incident in 2 months. Something needs to be done obviously there is something seriously wrong in this school
Posted by: RC Location: SB on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Not well educated eh? Thats not what my degree says...but sure. Teacher, you know exactly what Im talking about...how were your grades in real subject like math and science? It didn't matter did it? All C's is good enough to teach little kids...
Posted by: Deb on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Me racist;no, realist;yes!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 18, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Deb is a racist, its obvious...
Posted by: Angie Location: Granger on Jan 18, 2008 at 07:47 AM
I do not understand why a lot of blame is being placed on poor teaching. This happened on a bus - not in the classroom.
Posted by: TEACHER Location: MISHAWAKA on Jan 18, 2008 at 07:45 AM
RC- It's obvious to all of us that your teachers were "a joke" because you are not well-educated. Perhaps if you had good teachers you would be able to respond more intelligently.
Posted by: D Location: South Bend on Jan 17, 2008 at 06:29 PM
WOW...so this went from children fighting on a bus to - there on welfare and spend your money??? Hu, do you know that their household is supported by foodstamps? Do you know that they dont work? I may not have been in favor of Plan Z but you need to read the story above its NOT because of welfare,single moms,single dads,foodstamps or the bus drivers. The reason is children do foolish things they are learning and trying to figure out this thing called life.
Posted by: Joey Location: Mishawaka on Jan 17, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Plan Z was the dumbest thing South Bend could have done. If the neighbors these kids live in is so bad that they need to be bussed to other schools, then maybe the city should try and help those neighborhoods instead of shuttled kids out. Why punish the parents and students that live in good neighborhoods and work to keep those neighboorhoods nice. If we get these kids out of the cycle of welfare and living off of my money that I WORK for, then they could live in decent neighborhoods.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 17, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Deb, Well that is great, your kids are getting what they deserve, what all kids deserve regardless of what neighborhood they come from. Just because a child is bad in school dosen't mean they need PROFESSIONAL HELP as you put it, they need TLC. I do agree with you that children can be disruptive in class and that it makes learning hard for the other children.However throwing them out or grouping them in a so called BAD kid placement will not help. All the bad kids get grouped together then the crimes are going to go up, If a teacher can't handle one bad kid in her class, then what makes you think a group of kids that are as you say BAD are going to gain from beinggrouped together at a school? They will gain Nothing by doiong that, we need to patient and see if we can help them. If we can't and have gave an honest attempt, then yes they should be disciplined.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 17, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Angry Mother,My children are by all means NOT perfect but they are good kids. When a problem arises at school we take care of it. We have even gotten a call from school at lunch and my husband was there within 1/2 hour. I am not saying throw the kid out if they make a mistake but if it interfers with learning then something should be done. Kids are to GUTSY these days especially the ones that think they are tough. OK since you put it that way "keeping it contained like a virus". If they have these kids grouped together they can get the PROFESSIONAL help they need. They can get to the root of the problem. Why let them lose for the teacher to handle? My kids "WENT" to SBCSC and now they are in a private school and I have to say WHAT A DIFFRENCE. I wish I would have done this sooner. Yeah my s*** does stink but my kids are getting a fair shot at learning and the disruptive kids aren't standing in their way and the teacher is doing her job; teaching.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM
DEB, You say keep the problem contained like it is a virus or something. You are obviously a rude individual who think her **** don't stink and let me guess your kids are perfect too? i hope your child(ren) never have problems and needs someones support and comfort because as you say children like that should be contained. i don't think you would feel the same way if it were your child(ren) we were talking about. To be honest with you this has nothing to do with me or anyone in my imediate location, however this is something that I feel should be adressed by every parent. Let me tell you this a child I know went to a localschool and they said she was a bad kid, kicked her out and said they didn't want her in their school, she now goes to another school,they have no problem with her at all. Is it always the child or possibly could it be the school? They do not take enough time to get to the bottom of the problem, their remedy is as your is kick them out! Not the answer.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 17, 2008 at 08:30 AM
Angry Mother, I still stand by what I say! If this child has more problems than we can understand than it shouldn't be the teachers responsibility(sp). They are there to teach. If he is disruptive and disrespectful how is that helping the children that WANT to learn. I agree these kids need help BUT putting them in a classroom where they will and do disobey is not the place for them. So no your post made NO diffrence. I understand that there are kids that need help but in the same token these teachers need help and need to be backed up by the school system to give ALL kids a fair education. Before plan Z we knew where the troubled kids were but now they are spead out all over the place to make it everyones problems and nobody can handle them. If you have them in one or two schools you can get the trained help that they need to keep the problem contained.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 16, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Deb, I see you haven't commented anymore on this story. I guess my last post made you stop and think. I am happy to know that sharing his story has made a few of you heartless people stop and think before speaking.
Posted by: RC Location: SB on Jan 16, 2008 at 03:43 PM
I said 47,000 is the median pay for the US, which is the indicator that is used for every profession. Open your eyes in more ways than one, Ken.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: South Bend on Jan 16, 2008 at 03:18 PM
Because of Plan Z we have two schools for all the brainy kids and they get all kinds of help to nuture their attributes. Why can't there be a school for kids who cause trouble and they could full time help with their problems. I bet a lot more schools' ISTEP scores would go up!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 16, 2008 at 01:12 PM
So what, Teacher from Mishwaka? Divide what you make by the 8 months a year you work. Then talk to me about how much you make.
Posted by: RC Location: SB on Jan 16, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Teachers get a bum rap because I remember what mine were like! A joke! One teacher who all we did, literally all day, was mess around and watch movies. One teacher was AFRAID OF BIG CROWDS so she stared at the ceiling while she taught, meanwhile we goofed around because she wouldn't look. Are you kidding me?!?! Many many many scenarios I could continue on. TOO EASY TO BECOME A TEACHER...afraid of crowds for god's sake...
Posted by: Amazed Location: SB on Jan 16, 2008 at 01:10 PM
I wonder how the kids in this incident are doing? Did they learn their lesson? Does it make parents and teachers alike concerned about the future. Maybe it is time that we as parents and educators come together in a united front to help our kids the best they can be. It is a full time job. The kids of today are not the same as when I went to school. Where do we go from here??
Posted by: Ken Location: Mishawak on Jan 16, 2008 at 12:05 PM
I made the statement $36000 a year. My wife made that her first year, but that included summer school as well. RC says you make $47,000.
Posted by: TEACHER Location: MISHAWAKA on Jan 16, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Hi RC I am a first year teacher in Mishawaka. I do NOT make $36,000 a year. Maybe you should check your math and resources before making outrageous and false comments.
Posted by: Ken Location: Mishawaka on Jan 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Wow, how insightful you are. If she did not work at home she would still have to do the work, so she would just have to stay at the school. If she did not work at home the preparation for activites and daily plans would have to be done during class time. If done during class time, your childern won't get as much education. Really shows how little you guys value the people teaching your childern. If everyone who thinks teaching is easy why not homeschool. I think not. Teachers really get a bum rap from some people.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 16, 2008 at 08:38 AM
Ken, your numbers are off. Work at home DOES NOT count. Do I get paid for the hours I work at home? NO! Why should they be any different?
Posted by: Former Teacher Location: Mishawaka on Jan 15, 2008 at 07:49 PM
To the person who wrote in saying teachers should stop complaing let me pose this thought for you. I do not know one teacher who went into the profession for the GREAT pay that RC claims we get paid. Thanks Ken for breaking down the true pay of what teachers make! Teachers go into teaching to make a difference, but when kids are cursing at you, throwing things, and dissrespectful, there is no person that should tolerate that from any job. I left teaching because of it and I would never dream of going to my current job where I tolerated someone talking to me like that! Let alone an 8 year old. Teachers are leaving the profession and no wonder! Parents start holding your children accountable for their behavior and if they have mental health issues, seek help, because I am not a counselor and other kids are being robbed of an education!
Posted by: Ken Location: Mishawaka on Jan 15, 2008 at 06:21 PM
Startng pay pay for a teacher in Mishawaka is $36,000 a year. The tax right off is only $250. They raised it last year from $200. Also, she worked an average of 50 hours a week. So lets do the math. $36000 minus 4000 divided by 32 divided by 50. $21 an hour. This is a good wage, but to say that they are compensated fairly is off base. The stuff they put up with is nuts. So, GOOD DAY TO YOU FINE SIR.
Posted by: RC Location: SB on Jan 15, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Median pay for elementary school teacher across the nation is $47,000. Forget about the six hour work day, lets say an 8 hour work day. Divide 47,000 by the 8 months they work divided by a 40 hour work week is $36 a hour. Not a small chunk of change. Get off your high horse, Ken. Do the math yourself. And I'm sure that you will not forget that that 4,000 spent on supplies is a tax right-off. Everyone has to put up with alot of crap at their job. You know what its all about going in. For $36 a hour, I can find alot of people willing to put up with what they do. Good day to you!
Posted by: Ken Location: Mishawaka on Jan 15, 2008 at 03:47 PM
This is to RC. WOW, I don't even know what to say to you. Teachers have to put up with so much. My wife had kids how called her names and refused to listen. Parents whose kids never did wrong. To say that teachers make plenty is so off base. We spent on average 4000 a year on supplies for her classroom, so that other people's childern would get a top notch education. How ungrateful you are to say such things. Work six hours a day? You wish. Try getting to school 90 minutes early and staying 2 hours late. If she did leave early, we usaully ended working at him grading papers. If you have kids I really feel sorry for their teachers because you have no idea what it takes to be a teacher. Good Day.
Posted by: C-Ray Location: Indiana on Jan 15, 2008 at 02:14 PM
There are so many comments on here about parents not parenting thier children. I do agree that this is in many cases the norm. Ask yourself though, are parents parenting the school. Before you bash an organization for the way they perform or do not perform. Do something about it. For each of you that has complained here I would venture to guess that less than 25% have been active in thier school board. Not just as members but as petitioners, supporters, or just a voice of the community. I have lost count how many times my wife has stepped in singularly and made a difference in school policy. Even if you do not have children who attend these schools you have a responsibility to your community. What is the first thing you look at when purchasing a new house other than price? School rankings! Am I in a good school district? To not step in and take charge ultimately lowers your property's appeal and your ability to eventually realize the equity in your home.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 15, 2008 at 01:52 PM
DEB,I have only one more thing to say to you. I am currently working with an 13 year old child who's parents were killed in a gang realted incident when he was 2. He has been tossed around from foster homes and schools all his life.Through treatment and couseling we have found that he is dealing with issues far to great for you and I to understand. He feels abandoned, useless, he feels as if no one wants him because he came from a bad neigborhood. I feel it is people like u who is at fault,that a child as innocent as he feels this way. It is comments made by people like you that cause children to learn to hate,if we were to show some compassion and try to get to the real source of the anger instead of kicking them out of our schools or throwing them in juvie then we might learn something. It could be possible we could change the lives of some of these troubled children. Instead of voicing your rude opinions on this blog you should show some compassion and reach out to these kids.
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 15, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Angry Mother..No problem, thanks for the post. Have a great day.
Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Teacher, so a person that used to teach at a private school more that 50 miles away committed a crime, but not while he was teaching at a private school, and you're trying to say that means that there is violence in private schools locally? You really are desparate, aren't you?
Posted by: RC Location: SB on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:33 AM
Teachers better not be complaining about their pay! Take what they make in a year and divide that by the 8 actual months that they work and then by the 6 actual hours per day that they work. "But we take work home with us" they cry. So do alot of jobs!! Are you kidding me? Teachers get paid plenty!
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:09 AM
RIF, The Grow Up comment was posted towards Deb not you, I appologize for not stating that in my last post. As far as the rest of what you said, yes you are correct. I know that there are a lot of people who use the system for a free ride. It sickens me that they do this because people tend to look down on the ones like me who are working and trying, but need the little extra help to get on my feet.I didn't mean any disrespect to you, I think your comments on most of these blogs are 100 % dead on.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:05 AM
DEB, your child's rights should be taken into consideration just as much as those who are not as fortunate to have parent's who care. It is not the child's fault so why punish only them? I agree that there should be some kind of consequence for their bad behavior, but I do not think kicking them out or juvie is the way to go. They need understanding, I hope that your child never pulls a dumb stunt like this one and is treated and talked about in the manner these kids are. I know this is where you will say your chil(ren) has been taught right from wrong and proper manners, but you never know what could happen, you are not God! Further more I have children and I like to think mine are well mannered and have been raised correctly,however I too never know what they may do when they are away from me. I just am thankful my children haven't treated someone like this and they know the consequences will be very terrible if they ever do.
Posted by: j Location: nappanee on Jan 14, 2008 at 09:40 PM
I think that everyone on here is concerned about our children and how we get them raised in this mixed up, crazy, heartless world. Everyone has the best interest of our kids in mind- that should be our first and formost priority. Lets stop the bickering and find solutions. We can save our kids- it is our responsibitly not the schools. Lets stand up and teach our men to be 'gentle'men and our girls to be strong and loving women. It starts at home. We teach out kids from day one who to act and react. I will be the first to admit that some mornings I weep after my 5 kids leave, and wonder if I am teaching them them right things. Smile at your kids in the morning. Tell them you love them before you send them out into the scary world. Parents - it starts with us.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 14, 2008 at 07:44 PM
to all you teachers that have posted comments about how hard it is to be a teacher. well quit, you knew what the job consisted of before you went to college. stop crying about your pay and how bad the kids are and do your job!
Posted by: Deb on Jan 14, 2008 at 06:47 PM
Angry Mother, And further more I quote you "Not only do they have poor parenting they have no education.. " The no education part is THEIR choice by the way these kids act in school (unruly and disrespectful)!
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 14, 2008 at 06:44 PM
Bob...Why not read about the ex-coach sentenced to 10 years for soliciting girls for sex. He coached for a private school
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 14, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Bob...Once again, you stray away from the topic and go into the private and public school debate. I wrote about the bus incident that occured and you cannot live with the fact that I said there is violence everywhere. If it makes you feel better to believe that there are no problems in private schools, well, so be it. Just remember, because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Live in your own little world Bob and I'll live in a little place I like to call reality.
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 14, 2008 at 05:05 PM
Angry Mother, Well, you are a bit different than the person I posted that comment to, are you not? My beef with her is saying that she does all she can and they are trying, I am sure they are. I also don't think having the extra monies going out to pay for a computer and internet access, mine is like $40 per month, when you are getting assistance, you should not be wasting money on things that could go to say, maybe, a savings account. You are on Hoosier Health Wise, good for you, I have no problem with that in your case, being a temp and all. You are doing what you have to to make sure the children are healthy. Atleast you don't take advantage of the situation as you said. Grow up?. Lady, I am grown and I have worked my hind end off to get where I am. Don't get worked up at me when your situation is cleary not that of the person I was posting to. Please don't make me out to be a person who generalizes, I base opinion on the person and situation. Now, how much do you disagree?.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 14, 2008 at 04:10 PM
To Angry Mother, What about MY child's RIGHT to learn??????
Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Jan 14, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Teacher, once again, you cannot support your "theory" with any facts. When is the last time there was an incident with a gun at a private school in this area? You cannot give an answer. You keep saying there is violence everywhere. Where is it in private schools? Are they perfect? No, of course not, but stop trying to pull the private schools in this area down to the pathetic level of SBCSC schools.
Posted by: Angry Mother Location: Warsaw on Jan 14, 2008 at 02:41 PM
DEB,Your comments are rude! You say kids who are unruly, disrespectful, and unparented should be kicked out. What would that solve? You talk about no parenting being the problem, well then we throw them out of the school system and what happens? Not only do they have poor parenting they have no education.. That is not the answer. It dosen't matter where a child grows up,they should have rights to the same education at the same schools as the rich kids.To R.I.F., I usually agree with your comments, but the one in regards to parents on welfare is a little harsh. My husband and I both work,unfortuantely we are both temps so we do not get insurance offered to us, there for I have my children on Hoosier Healthwise. I am eligable for food stamps and such, but I do not get them. I do not have all the extra's some families have, I have the essentials to get through. my children are well behaved and treat people with respect, so being on welfare has nothing to do with it. Grow Up!
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 14, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Bob...You keep ,making comments about why private schools are so much better than public schools. Telling me it costs $10,000 per student per year and you see low test scores, low graduation rates, and violence, isn't news to me. I know this as do many others. My comment was, no matter what the situation, there is violence everywhere and we need to do something about it.
Posted by: Slade Location: Mishawaka on Jan 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Back in the 80"s when my child went to a SB Middle school I discovered my next door neighbor boy was selling drugs. He sold them to both the HS and Middle school kids. I reported it to the principal of that school and told him I graduated from there and didn't want to see drugs sold there. He then took me outside and showed me the sign on the outside of the school that read "This school is Drug-Free!". He then scolded me and called me dumb, stupid , ignorant and said I must have flunk out of school because apparently I couldn't read. I went home and the very next day asked my company I worked at for a transfer. I got my transfer a few months later, but in the meantime they finally busted my neighbor. He paid a $1,000 fine and was out of jail the same day. I lost my home which I wanted since I was a kid in the neighborhood, also about $10-15,000 on the value. I moved to Virginia and the school system is rated 3rd best in the country today. My kids grew up safe! Are your kids safe?
Posted by: Jim Location: St Joe on Jan 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM
You can't expect the teachers to teach your kids reading, writing and arithmetic if you can't teach them to behave. If they have haven't the resect for each other not to fight and shoot each other, what makes you think they want to learn anything? The deadbeats bring all the scores down along with the good kids who wannt to learn. rember the class clown when you were in school and he interupted the class? Well he is still there, only now he doesn't have to pay for his actions, at home or God forbid one of the teachers touches a kid. And for more parents on the bus? I Agree, only if they could carry a big stick and be able to use it.
Posted by: Svengali Location: Elkhart on Jan 14, 2008 at 09:53 AM
One thing I have noticed amongst the no spanking generation of kids we see now.. they are the most violent, quick to throw a punch generation ever. Or just pull a gun out and shoot you. Corporal punishment needs to return.. 3 whacks gets more attention from a kid then mollycoddling them.
Posted by: Ray Location: Wakarusa on Jan 14, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Ok all you Chicken Littles out there. I have read & reread this article & have yet to find anything mentioned about teacher training, welfare, home school, or a host of other areas being tossed around in these replys. I'm glad to hear there are so many of you that want to participate in the educational development of our children. I know the local schools will welcome your imput at school board meetings & teacher conferences. Perhaps you can volunteer to ride shotgun on the school bus once a week. Sign up to substitute teacher, sign up to be a subsitute aide. It's great you have on opinion, everyone does, but get involved. And stop judging others, God will handle that in time.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 14, 2008 at 09:26 AM
I didn't say it was easy to BE a teacher. I said it was easy to BECOME a teacher. Sara, I really hope your not one, cause apparently you can't even read. Case in point. Easy to BECOME a teacher. They get terrible grades in all their basic math, science, and english classes, but of course ace their "education" classes. You know, the ones where you learn how to write on the board. Give me a break...
Posted by: Stay at Home mom Location: You wish you knew on Jan 14, 2008 at 08:50 AM
I just want to say that I am a stay at home mom of an 18 month old. My husband works hard to provide for our little family. However, in case none of you have noticed, the prices of EVERTYHING is going up, but are the wages??? Nope. Groceries are more than they ever have been, gas prices are skyrocketing almost daily, NIPSCO is the biggest crook around, property taxes are at an unruly high...the list could go on. Yes I could go out and get a "real" job in the "real" world, but you know what that would mean??? Someone else would be "raising" my kid. I would have to take them to a daycare or babysitter and I don't want to do that. I am not on welfare, but have used it in times of need in the past, and would not be afraid to use it in the future. It's put there to help those in NEED. I agree, I saw a lady in the grocery store the other day paying with food stamps and had gold chains, rings on everyfinger, nails done, wearing a nice leather coat, Tommy Hilfiger Jeans,& sketchers!!
Posted by: Parentof3 Location: SB on Jan 14, 2008 at 08:35 AM
WOW ..... when were you all born!! Remember when we all rode the bus and attend school. Kids havea ALWAYS BEEN MEAN !, KIDS have ALWAYS picked on OTHER KIDS, BOY will be BOYS and always get into a fight. BUT what has changed is how kids are being parented.. I remember getting the belt for misbehaving... so I know the chance I took if I was bad.. NOW what happens .. nothing that is what is wrong. Teach the kids to behave, and to respect adults. I think ALL of you are over reacting.. I love my kids and my husband and I will teach them to behave and respect other adults and children. Just remember kids WILL BE KIDS...... but what happens to them after the have done something wrong makes all the difference. I don't feel this boy needs to go to juivy or be sentence nothing like that, just punshment from the school system. LIKE getting kicked off the bus... or after school detiontion. SO STOP OVER REACTING ALL YOU PEOPLE.. it is not the schools fault it is what is TAUGHT AT HOME .
Posted by: Tax Payer Location: The neighbor on Jan 14, 2008 at 07:08 AM
Please every one move your kids out of the public schools. You lack of parenting will soon ruin all our schools and none will be safe. You have your head so far up your (not my child) *** that it will eventuially catch up to us all. Things like this is just the start. Soon it will robbing the neighboring convenient store, then maybe a liquor store, then hopefully they try my house. Then you will really have something to write about.
Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Jan 13, 2008 at 09:45 PM
Teacher, here is a fact. Every public school student is costing taxpayers $10,000 per student per year. What are we getting for our money? I see poor test scores, low graduation rates and violence in our public schools. Many of these students don't graduate and end up costing taxpayers even more later. Why should I as a taxpayer put up with this? What I really cannot understand is how anyone can defend it.
Posted by: E.B Location: Elkhart on Jan 13, 2008 at 06:40 PM
The student,s responible should be ordered to visit the detention center to see that,s were their headed if they continue to behave in this manner.
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM
OK, Sarah, I said I was sorry. Your right I should have aimed that at Deb.
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM
To Bob...You said I list no facts, just opinions. So you are trying to tell me there are NO problems in private schools and NO public schools test scores ANYWHERE are higher than a private school? Maybe you need to do some more research. The fact is there is a growing problem of violence both in and out of schools and we need to do something about it.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 13, 2008 at 07:36 AM
stop out sorcing the jobs like bus drivers ride along grandma ,papa,mom,dad,bro,sis,perhaps older students perhaps 4 extra credit , may a student with problems of thier own . could become a problem slover them-self Oliver (6th)get with it I don't see your little girl with out you 24 7
Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Jan 13, 2008 at 03:40 AM
RABID IRISH FAN , Get your facts straight. I wasn't the one who said that, it was Deb. I stated I didn't think it had anything to do with parents not caring but was glad I could take my child to school. And for the very reason of all these things happening. So before being so critical maybe you should read a little better
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Sarah, oops, misread the first line of your post. Although I have heard that here, about parents not being parents if they don't drop off. So, I will appologize to you once again, and make that statement to those who do think it. See, we can all have an opinion and still hold civility. (sometimes) That is an actual stat. that I posted, just something to think about. Ask me what I think of that stat. in 3 years, I think may disagree if beating, guns and drugs continue on them. To lighten up a bit..When I was in 9th or 10th grade a friend and I broke open one of those super foul smelling glass vials, you know, a stink bomb. Man, that bus cleared FAST, the driver was P.O.'d the principal too. Point is, (I won't say how long ago this was don't want to be aged) that was the only bomb, other than *** bombs, you had to worry about. Sure there a fight or two, but it was those little chest puffing sessions, usually ending with the driver taking an ear and putting a butt in a seat, end of fight.
Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Too easy to be a teacher? I hardly think not! What a knot head! My college puts student teachers through the ropes before they get out in the field. I have never heard one student say it was easy.
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fans Location: Standing Tall on Jan 12, 2008 at 08:59 PM
Sarah, I put both of my girls on the bus. I am at work before they go to school and my wife does daycare and has kids at 6am. We are in no way uncaring parents, that is such bull for you to say. I wish I could take them to school every day, I can't. I will tell you this though, I ask my children how thier day was, every day. I ask if there were any problems, every day. You must just be the best parent on the earth, just because you are able to take your kids to school, what a saint. Did you know that School Buses are 8x safer than passenger vehicles? (source: NHTSA) So, I guess that means you are the uncaring parent, how sad you would rather risk your child(ren) than put them on a bus, shame. Now, how dumb does that sound? Does it bother you when someone claims you don't care. What a joke.
Posted by: Larry Schmitt Location: Osceola on Jan 12, 2008 at 08:52 PM
You have taken God out of the schools and along with it went any sense of what is right or wrong. What do you Expect from the children? Parents are plauged by the child protection do gooders While I do not advocate beatings, a switch on the behind will work wonders Some parents set bad examples because they were never disiplained theirselves.We have created a society where everybody thinks they owe their fellow man nothing You reap what you sow .Read the book of Psalms and see what God has to say about raising children. It worked for mine
Posted by: sara on Jan 12, 2008 at 05:17 PM
Easy to be a teacher??? The problem really is kids do not have fear of anything, no fear of god, no respect or fear (in terms of discipline or punishment for actions) of their parents, & the law. Parents do not discipline their kids, too busy trying to be their friends, and do not provide good role models or values. Total lack of respect & consequences for their actions and complete disregard for any values means this is the society we sow and a very scary generation. PARENTS - LEARN TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN.... Teachers have their hands tied by the political stuff in schools, and they are not allowed to intervene in anything. It is NOT EASY TO BE A TEACHER! You try it!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Listen I have read a ton of these comments and agree to disagree on a few. What right do you have to say they all stand in the welfare line to get what they believe is owed to them and how can you blame the west side Parents.I am a Parent from Penn District and we have just as many problems with the kids in our district that sb does no one has the right to look down on anyone. I agree with the fact that real parenting needs to begin and child protection has stepped way over their rights.But I also agree It doesn't matter what your skin color is nor where you live the world is equal ith this problems. Teachers are only allowed to do so much in the schools now a days dont cast any stones at anyone because what goes around always comes back around instead try to give some helpful advice instead of critizing
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2008 at 03:40 PM
The problem is, its too easy to become a teacher these days. I have see the types of grade this education majors get their degrees with and its pathetic. We need real teachers!
Posted by: Winston Location: South Bend on Jan 12, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Sarah, at that private school kids who were incorrigible, any that were raised to be thugs or any that were just plain sociopaths would be kicked out. You can't do that at a public school. You're forced to be around people you wouldn't choose to be around. This might be why there are more homeschoolers every year. It's inhumane and just plain dumb to force anyone to be around people they didn't choose to be around. I could never do that to my own kids! That's destructive socialization.
Posted by: Beck on Jan 12, 2008 at 02:46 PM
I have to say yes the parents need to take blame on somethings but it has nothing to do with where you live or how much money you make, as a matter of fact alot of times kidsthat do not have alot of money behave alot better than those who do havemoney because they are taught to appreciate everything you have, and to respect everyone.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Well put Teacher (not of SBCSC)! Applaude, You're so right about the clause. I know so many people through my job that is draining the system it makes me sick. They are able to work but refuse to and they play the system for everything they can get. I can never figure out how they don't work yet they have the stuff that they do. It is beyond me. And kids pick up on this, so where do you think they will be in 15 yrs- In the welfare line get what they think is OWED to them.
Posted by: lucy Location: south bend on Jan 12, 2008 at 09:53 AM
People, if any of you have had any type of education you would know that behavior is learned. You're not hotwired on how to behave. These kids that you talk about that act so bad, where the heck do you think they got it from?? They LEARNED IT!! Most likely from parents or so-called parent figures. Want to end the problems that children have these days, step up and be a real parent instead of "just a friend to your child" or become a mentor. It's sad, these kids have no chance if they do not have good parents.
Posted by: Lois Location: Berrien Springs on Jan 12, 2008 at 07:38 AM
I can't say it's all the parents. Parents are not allowed to spank, or yell for fear the child services will take their kids away. The police can yell, throw them to the ground, and cuff them and it's all right. We need to look at what we are doing wrong here.
Posted by: Julie Location: South Bend on Jan 12, 2008 at 04:18 AM
Hey Jackie..how much you wanna wager? I've sent photos to the director of transportation over the issue...want the bus number i'm referring too? Or how about the 4 pages of documentation i've done over a year on this one bus? How about 5 different families taking it to them to be told "the cameras don't catch it all"...hmmm...If you don't know what I have..don't assume I don't knwo what i'm talking about. I'd be MORE then willing to share it all...i'm tired of the coverup in it all..stop protecting the adults...start protecting the children here and to protect the children also means start kicking off the kids who are also disrespectful. Stop fearing the kids and do something about it AS A RESPONSIBLE ADULT...without the yelling, cursing, or turning your back to the issue.
Posted by: Timothy Location: South Bend on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Until people start taking responsibility for things there will always be problems of all sorts.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Delong on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I think that there are alot of children that are getting bullied these days. In my eyes everyone should be treated the same .I am so sick of kids getting bullied.I have three children. 1 in which is MIMH and then one that was bullied by alot of children.When there was an issue in Rochester with the bus the vprincipal siad the same thing as the other parents comment said oh it is nothing. Well,then there was my disabled child I am so sick and tired of this stuff.This child that hit the other student should be punished just as well as the 11 year old. The 11 year old for his mouth and then the 13 year old for the hitting.They 13 year old is lucking that his hit did not kill the 11 year old. What is into these kids now adays. there is no supervision with Children anymore and all buses should have a monitor on them. Evn if it is a volunteer. so the school systems do not have to pay for one.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Spring, I never made mention of skin color. I am merely pointing out the area in which these kids are from. It is a TROUBLE area. Rather than keeping these kids in a school close to home and have only a few infected schools SBCSC is going to spread them all over and infect them all. Wouldn't it be easier to keep the problem in one place? To J, Why should someone who works HARD for their money have to send their kids to the same school as WELFARE kids. Welfare is being abused by people who feel it is OWED to them when it should be used for people who realy need it. And for your information I don't live in that area and for that matter an expensive house BUT my kids do go to private school and that was the BEST thing I could have ever done.
Posted by: Just a Mom Location: West Side South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM
As a parent with children scattered throughout the SBCSC I have to agree it stems down to parenting and children who no longer respect adults or any authority figures for that matter. It doesn't matter what side of town these kids come from or even another district. Attend any sporting event and watch not only the children but the parents. In a lot of the cases you can see how these kids reflect what they have learned from the so called adult figures that are there to teach them. It's not only in your "west side" schools but all the schools, including kids from PHM. I teach my kids how to say please, thank you, excuse me, yes sir or maam. I teach them you need to give respect to earn respect. I know there are problems with the schools but you can not lay blame on the schools for things that need to be taught at home. Since when are the teachers or bus drivers being paid to educate our children in such a simple thing as being civil?
Posted by: matt Location: sb on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:57 PM
perhaps if the west side parents cleaned up their neighborhoods and parented their children, then they would not have to be offended by the observations made of their childrens behaviour. they are, after all, results of their environment, and until the adults of their community accept responsibility for their community and make some changes, such observations will continue to be made. perhaps we can all start by ridding our selves of the democrats in our government that create safe havens for those who would allow themselves a lifetime of government subsidies and support.
Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I am now 26 and I went to a catholic school where we said prayers everyday, went to mass, the nuns would spank the students if need be or pull them by the ears and you know what.. this sort of thing would never happen... maybe that is something we should be going back to. Just an idea
Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I don't think parents that put their children on the bus don't care, I am glad I can take my child myself. Not too long ago a child was forgotten on a bus b/c they fell asleep, then a child brings a gun on the bus and now one is beat unconcious, there needs to be a superviser to ride on each bus b/c it is getting out of hand! I don't feel that it is any "certain" side of town. I think there are "brats" at every school and their parents need to be responsible for them. The kid wouldn't of had the gun if the parents would of been responsible about where they are keeping it. I hope the kid who did the beating gets one himself.
Posted by: Teacher (not of SBCSC) Location: Local on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Wow, I read all these comments and it saddens me because you are right. right to be angry and demand answers. I am not only a teacher in a local public school, but a parent as well. I get tired of dealing with the crap. If I could just teach and could get rid of my trouble makers and keep those in my class that want to learn, life would be grand. Sounds sad doesnt it. I wish more parents of the good kids would demand the rights of their childs education etc.... but it seems we never hear from them. Instead we always hear from the bad kids parents how their kids have a right to this and that and we better provide it etc... and you better not discipline my kid etc.. If parents would do their own disciplining at home and teach your children if they get in trouble at school it will be worse at home things would be better. My kids dont get in trouble at school and by golly they have just as much right to an education.. Hey bad kids - stop interfering with MY childs education!!
Posted by: Winston Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Sickened, There are more homeschoolers every year. I have 5 friends at my college who were homeschooled. My inlaws know a couple of families down the block who homeschool. How they live ranges from "school at home" to "unschooling". There was an official count of 2 million around the turn of the millenium. In 10, 20, 30 years one can only imagine how many there will be. Things change.
Posted by: Jackie Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 09:12 PM
To JULIE- have you ever rode a bus. The kids cuss at the bus drivers like theres no tomorrow. I highly doubt the bus drivers cuss like your saying they do because they have cameras and will get fired. Know the facts before you post something.
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 11, 2008 at 09:03 PM
Spring, I did read it, did you? She says her 1st grader goes to PHM. And she goes to school, so I ask you, who is staying home and raising anyone. Other than our tax dollars. It's great she can go to college and have extras that many others don't get and we help pay the check at the end of the day. So, I ask you also, what is your solution to the problem at hand? During your rant you offer no positive input, just another faceless person who likes to complain from the comfort of anonymity. When the VP of your school told your son not to take it seriously, what did you do? Did you take the next step or the step after that. Did you write a letter to the school board? If not, you took that advice the VP gave you and while you may not like it you followed it.
Posted by: Disheartened Teacher Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 09:02 PM
I worked hard to get my degree in teaching. Determined to educate sweet elementary school children. Boy was I wrong! I worked at a Mishawaka school in a second grade class, and it was awful. Second graders kicking their desks, calling me an idiot, refusing to listen. Teachers spend more time discipling than teaching. No woder why 60% of new teachers leave the profession within 5 years. Leaving teaching was the best thing I ever did!
Posted by: unknowan Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 08:48 PM
First of all it all starts at home with the parents, then at school, They need to bring the rules back in the schools like they were 50 years ago, and when a child does something wrong they need to punished them like they use to. Second SBCSC needs to let parents know more what goes on in the schools and not keep everything under the rug,Parents have the right to know and SBCSC needs to tell the parents also.
Posted by: MINE ARE GROWN, RESPECTFUL, AND SUCCESSFUL on Jan 11, 2008 at 08:35 PM
Spring - to answer your question posed to Rabid Irish Fan - staying home with your children is a great thing. Just don't expect me and other taxpayers to pick up the financial responsibilities. She clearly states she is receiving public assistance.
Posted by: Bob Location: Greene Township on Jan 11, 2008 at 08:18 PM
To teacher in South Bend. When is the last time you saw an issue at a private school? You'll have to search, won't you. I don't remember any incident involving a gun at any private school. You list no facts, just opinions. Look at test score results and try to tell me public schools are anywhere close to private schools. They aren't. I went to Greene but none of my kids ever will. Unfortunately my tax dollars are still being wasted in the SBCSC.
Posted by: Penn mom Location: mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Honesty does not mean being racist? I call it as I see it...defensive much?
Posted by: Applaude Location: Indiana on Jan 11, 2008 at 07:28 PM
This is to Amanda. I don't get assistance - but I understand where you are coming from. There needs to be a mandatory clause with receiving assistance. That clause should read that if you want food stamps - you have to work. You have to be willing to give back what you are taking in. There are way too many people living in section 8 housing, getting welfare and food stamps - that dont work - but drive around in Escalades on 24's. Explain to me how the heck a welfare person has money to get their hair done, wear 150.00 jeans and 90.00 boots? Don't even come at me with I'm stereotyping the black community - because I am black! Our mother taught us about protected sex. Our mother taught us about self respect. Our mother didn't allow certain things to happen in our home that happen today. She enforced curfew at 11pm on the weekends. She always had her eye on us - she didn't turn us loose on the neighborhood! Women - take your place-and stand up and be a mother. You have 1 chance
Posted by: Fred Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 06:39 PM
One Word: Parents!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sickened Location: St. Joe County on Jan 11, 2008 at 06:36 PM
Home schooling sounds better and better all the time! I also think that people should have to earn the "right" to breed! Any idiot can make a baby, but it really takes decent people to be good parents. Sad world we live in today...I hope this young boy is doing well with no lasting effects!
Posted by: spring Location: Rochester on Jan 11, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Jane, I think you have hit the nail on the head, I rode the special education bus to and from school every day as a monitor in North Judson because these children were known for their behavior problems. There were 6-7 children on that bus.(MIMH) How can a bus driver expected to be able to drive safely and watch 50 plus kids? I have also had problems with bullies with my middle son, when I confronted the vice-principal at RMS he told my son not to take it too seriously. My son was getting HIT, every day, buy ONE bully, but instead of doing something about it, the VP tells MY son, not to take it too seriously???WTH? Oh, and Deb, Rochester is a predominately white area and there are bullies here too. A bully is a bully, it doesn't matter what his skin color is. Rabid Irish Fan, if you would have actually read what Amanda said, she has a child, maybe she is choosing to stay at home and raise her child. Is that a bad thing?
Posted by: Buford T Justice on Jan 11, 2008 at 06:27 PM
These kids need their ***** beat!! Plain and simple. Go back to the old school ways when we were all younger. **** beat by the teacher and ***** beat again when you got home. Lack of positive role models at home, lack of respect, and NO supervision!
Posted by: Rabid Irish Fan Location: Standing Tall on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:52 PM
All I have heard so far is.. Black, White, Rich, Poor, Good Parents, Bad Parents, Good School, Bad School. Back and forth, you all seem to have an opinion of the problem but where are your solutions? Amanda, this may be harsh, but, let me ask you this. Are you posting from a library or other free service? If you are not, sell off your computer, turn off the internet access, diconnect your cable. If you can't make it in this world without assistance, better yet a handout, maybe you should put the money to better use. Buy groceries with that wasted money. Stop sitting there on your computer, get a part time job when not in school. If you want to you can ditch welfare now, if you really want to.
Posted by: Mitch Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:39 PM
It all starts at home folks. You can't blame anybody but yourself for poor parenting. It is not the public or governments job to babysit your child...you are responsible for their actions. The schools do a good job at providing a safe environment. They are only responsible for when your kid gets on the bus to when they are dropped off..they are not responsible for what happens at the bus stop.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rochester on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:30 PM
I don't see why it is such a big deal to be put on the news. I mean yes, we should be concered about this, but these things happen daily. It's not anyone's fault that it happened. Maybe you should get the whole story on WHY it happened before you share it with the world.
Posted by: WOWED on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:22 PM
It has nothing to do with plan z and busing, it has nothing to do with SB Schools verses Penn Schools. It does have to do with parents not being parents bottom line. all the school corporations can barley even say boo to a kid without a idiot parent threating a lawsuit.. why for a easy dollar.. get a job teach the kids respect spank them when they need it and hold them accountable for the actions. back when I was in schools you acted up you got a spanking by the teacher, go back to the old way of doing things and life will get better, less crime,less problems, and it has nothing to do with the west side heck these kids could of come from the east side like granger, It just boils down to parenting. Ive been in a lot of schools, and see, some of these 12-14 year old girls dressing like they are in their 20's working for the adult video industry, be a parent make them dress properly. Oh wait they are expressing their individuality LOL.. that will be for another story or post. BE PARENT
Posted by: Julie Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:20 PM
Teachers yell and disrespect students, bus drivers cussing at students...kids beating up others...if the adults around them are acting like moronic hot tempered jerks why are you wondering why the kids are as well. Hey Zimmerman, this corporation AND transportation needs a swift cleanup. I for one am tired of complaining about a bus driver cussing at kids, so now I drive them...what about other kids on the bus? who's protecting them
Posted by: John Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:08 PM
These kids need good old fashion spankins.. These parents need to be parents.. its not the schools fault or the buses fault its the parents and what they let kids do and get away with. Spank the kid on the butt. Listen to the song by Bucky Coveington, it is true, we did not have as much as we have now and every one turned out better. Look at the older people who got spanked by mom and dad they where not admitted to Madison Center, they have good work ethics and polite and know how to treat other people. Spank and ground and time out these kids be parents. I did not say beat the kid I said spank on the butt. If this was my kid he would not of done this but my kids know if they screw up they will be spanked and grounded, they screw up in school I will go there and spank them in front of there friends and teachers. No no kid is a angel either but they have to be taught the right things and that everything is not a handout and can do anything they want.
Posted by: me Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 05:00 PM
I have been reading some of the comments being made here and it scares me!How can so many of you be such biggets? Segragation, put the poor kids in one school and the rich ones in another. it's like some of you think your s... don't stink! Yeah it's scary when bad things happen and you want to protect your child, that is expected.But come on,listening to some of you makes me realize why some kids are the way they are, they hear it from parents like you!!! Read the constitution again..All are created equal!!!!
Posted by: Lynn Location: area on Jan 11, 2008 at 04:50 PM
Regardless of what the details turn out to be here, and there aren't any yet in case you haven't noticed...one thing is for sure it doesn't matter what school your kids attend! Parents, school officials, and (what a concept) the kids themselves have got to start taking responsibilty and being held accountable for the their actions, and the things happening on school property. When my son (in a smaller area high school), had his nose broken and needed surgery at an after school athletic practice by another student that punched him.... The school took NO responsibility, wouldn't even return my requests for a meeting. The other parents....NOTHING! now why do these kids act so irresponsible??? monkey see-monkey do
Posted by: Amanda Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 04:09 PM
We need not only to pray for the child who got hurt, but also for the child that started the fight. Obviously, that child is in real trouble. No, it does not matter anymore where your child lives at because the violence is everywhere. My daughter is in 1st grade in the PHM school district and you would not believe the problems they have been having on her bus. Yes, I send my child on the bus, but that does not make me a bad parent. Also, my husband and I do recieve food stamps, but guess what...we discipline both of our children. Do we want to be on welfare- no way! We are both working VERY hard to work our way off the system. I completley agree that there are way too many people just mooching off of the system, but it is there to get you back on your feet in the right track. My husband does have a job, matter of fact, a good one and I am attending college for medical assisting. We had our first child very young, but we have taken responsibility and teach our children right from wrong.
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 04:03 PM
I am tired of all the negative comments being made about how bad it is to go to a school in the South Bend Community School Corporation. There are problems with students everywhere, not just in the South Bend Schools. You are fooling yourself if you think going to a private school or a surrounding school corporation puts your child in less danger. It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, good or bad, black or white, live in South Bend or New Prairie, take the bus or get a ride. There are people out there that do the wrong thing and unfortunately someone suffers for their wrong-doing.
Posted by: Ann Location: Elkhart on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:48 PM
Kids seriously injuring or killing other kids. You think their parents are going to help? These parents don't know how to be parents because they never had parents who knew how. This is a huge problem. Free parenting classes, free juvinile care, free housing, free food, free jail, free health care, free birth control, free abortions - oh wait! It's not free, law abiding and hard working American Citizens are paying taxes for it! What is going to stop this mess? I'm sure we are all open for realistic suggestions.
Posted by: Jeff on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Why do you always pull the racist card?
Posted by: outsourced Location: south bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:46 PM
After my sons experience with bullies and indifference in the classroom I wasn't about to have him continue his education in this community. He graduated from a rural community in another state. His school corporation has so much more to offer in the classroom than South Bend ever could because of cut-backs. SB needs to hire more teachers, smaller classroom sizes, less free hand-outs, less government interference so teachers/administrators can regain control of the classrooms and actually teach instead of policing.
Posted by: jh Location: downtown on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:42 PM
To imply that the problem is with kids from the westside is just plain narrow minded and ignorant! I have two nephew (by marriage, thak goodness) who are now in their late teens and early twenties. When they lived with their parents in Arizona they both got into various trouble. Then problem was the PARENTS failed to believe their little "good angels" could do wrong. Fast forward to now, mommmy and daddy bought both of them houses and give them money to live on saying "we're so glad we have our boys back". Yeah, right-they act like wanna be thugs and the police have been out to their home because of fights and shots fired, ect. Guess what -mom and dad are the root of the problem because they don't stick to rules and give their boys everything. Again, parents-BE PARENTS!
Posted by: concerned on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:41 PM
Great response Eric, I agree all of the way. School vouchers would be great , then maybe the state might notice the problems, but then again, the state is part of the problem with the school systems and the governments within the state. Indiana used to be the Hoosier Hospitality State, that is no more.
Posted by: Me Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:37 PM
This is why we moved to PHM district. We did not want our children to attend SBCSC because of all of the troubles and poor test results they have. We wanted either Mishawaka or PHM. The only other option would be private schools. I even have friends who live in and are teachers in South Bend whose own kids are sent to private schools. That should tel us all a lot! This is NOT a racist thing at all, it is just a bad school system!
Posted by: jh Location: downtown on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:28 PM
I agree, Rachel. Parents have to go back to being parents and be accountable.Instead parents have no control over their kids and when the kids get in trouble, the parents say no one (the school, ect) helped them. Parents need to be the ADULT. Law down some law and give some structure. If the kids get mad, then too bad, too sad!
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:28 PM
To Rachel And the school allows these kids (unruly, disrespectful, unparented) in school?? What is wrong with that picture?
Posted by: Teacher Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:26 PM
It is totally unfair to blame the new principal at Greene for things that are happening on the school bus. I have worked with this person and I know how good this principal is. Making comments like that, without knowing the person and what they do is so unfair. Like many of the problems in schools, this one most likely started in the neighborhood and escalated on the bus. You can't blame the principal for that!
Posted by: Tired of the Name Calling Location: Michigan on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:25 PM
I find it funny how comments jump so fast from the actual story, you know... the fact that a kid was found unconscious? I also find it sad that we jump so fast to call someone a racist, just how politically correct do we all have to be?
Posted by: Melissa Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:23 PM
TO DEB-Just because children ride the buses does not mean that the parents do not care or think that they are the school's problem! I think your comments are a little harsh. Most families today have both parents working and the buses are the only way for their kids to get to school. Some families don't have two vehicles and some families don't have any! I think that you should feel very fortunate that you are able to take your kids to school and not put down or stereotype the children who do ride. It is not their fault they have to ride the bus.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Before plan Z there were only a few troubled schools, now they are all ruined. It is the enviroment and area these kids are coming from. Bump down to realistic's comment.
Posted by: Anon Location: SB on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Build a school on the westside and let the kids from the westside go there.
Posted by: Unknown Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Well I know it is not the schools fault, it is the parents fault. No one disciplines their kids anymore. Another thing is I don't like PLAN Z either. Why bus in all the inner city kids. I am so tired of PLAN Z. It is not fair that the minorities get to choose what school they want to go too and no one else can. I think everyone should be able to choose a good education for their kids not just minorities. But that is the Corporation for you.
Posted by: eric Location: south bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:09 PM
ok, you drive your kids to school. so they avoid any problems on the bus. but what about the problems or problem kids in the school room or playground or lunch room. we have 4 kids. a few years back my oldest went to kindergarten at hay for about 3 months. he took the bus, there were older kids giving younger kids trouble so we drove him to school. then there was trouble with one kid in class. the teacher solution? move the kid. so someone else’s kid was tormented. the parents were called in and did nothing. remember this kid is only 5. so we pulled him out, put him in private education. best decision we have ever made. we are lucky that we can provide private education. there are many families that cannot. i think that is why we need education vouchers. families can choose which school to send their children to, and it will force public school to greatly improve or shut down, either way its a win win.
Posted by: Rachel Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Hey Deb - Just because parents send their children to school on a bus does not mean they don't care. Buses and bus drivers are not the problem. Unruly, disrespectful, unparented children are the problem. You driving your child to school only means that your child avoids these kids on the bus. They probably sit right next to your him/her in the classroom!
Posted by: J Location: SB on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Deb, you are a moron. Just because you didnt mention race in your statement, doesn't mean that there was not racial undertones in it. Remember that kids are kids. They are and act exactly as they are taught to. It all goes back to money people. Pine road and Oak road houses are somewhat expensive methinks. Think about that before you get all high and mighty. Hold parents accountable? Like how? All you people are dreamers!! Are you gonna send a parent to jail because their kid got an "F"? NO! So, just tell me, how are you going to make the parents more accountable?
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 03:00 PM
Realistic hit it on the nose! Amen!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Those of you who think that bussing is not an major issue here are sticking your head in the sand. Back when Greene was a rural school these problems NEVER existed. It's only since bussing began that this anarchy began to take place. What does that tell us? It tells us that the new element in the equation (the kids being bussed in) are the problem. And the fact that these kids typically come from broken homes with a severe lack of parental guidance in a gang-riddent area is just that... a fact. Deal with it. To 'Parent of a Student': Your comments do have some merit...to a point. However, you can only help those who want help. I have yet to see anyone from the west side communities who bus their children come forward with clear cut plans to rectify the serious problems occuring there. BTW, Granger and Mishawaka are not in South Bend and therefore not part of any decisions made by the SBCSU or the South Bend Common Council. Sorry you can't blame Penn High School for this mess.
Posted by: Realistic on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:41 PM
I am defendeing debs comments... They are realistic not racist. Where does the majority of the crime happen in South Bend, Who doesn't pay much property tax, who doesn't contributing to South Bend as a community? The welfare recipients of the west side. America as a society will have to change. More the 60% of people living in the US (I will not call welfare recipents citizens as they are a drain on society, to be a citizen of anything, you need to contribute)
Posted by: Sherrie Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:40 PM
All four of my children have attended SB schools and I was ecstatic when Plan Z was announced. Three of my children have graduated from SB Washington and my youngest is in attendance at Kennedy Academy. There is nothing wrong with SB schools. Parents need to be involved with their children's lives and that includes supporting the school.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rochester on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:40 PM
My son has been bullyed by a older kid on the bus an today the bully kicked him in the genitals. My son then hit the kid. My son is a very well behaved young man I think schools and bus drivers need to do more to stop this kind of stuff. But i think yet are always looking the other way
Posted by: Anon Location: SB on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Good old Plan Z in action. Lets bus in the poor kids from bad areas that people live on welfare and handouts. I bet this will make all the schools better by making them equal. This is what happens when poor people whine and cry about things instead of changing the status quo. Wake up people! End welfare and state handouts. Make people accountable for there neighborhoods, kids, and selves. Get a job.Things need to change and it starts with the poor and uneducated.
Posted by: Joe Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:38 PM
This is why my child will not go to South Bend schools they are to dangerous, Gangs Guns, Fights. It sounds like there has been an increase this year in problems at the schools is this administration problem or an increase in Gangs.
Posted by: Liz Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:27 PM
Its a very sad situation. Buses can't even be safe for a child to ride on anymore. My duaghter will be starting kindergarten in the fall and all she talks about is riding the bus to school. She can't wait. After hearing stories like this, I will be driving my daughter to school. It's a shame that parents can't teach their children the consequences of fighting. Teach your children right from wrong...
Posted by: john Location: elkhart on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:18 PM
kids are going to do what they want when they want regraudless. what the parents should do is give the kids to the goverment since we can spank them anymore u raise ur hand to the kids all they tell you is they are calling the cops or cps. that is bull. a good old fashion behind the shed talk will solve the problem. i had my butt spank many of times when i was young. you dont see me causing problems in my adult life.you give parents and schools back coparate punishment this wont happen as often. the go to juvie court they just give them a smack on the hand and tell them dont do it again. they need harse punishment. indiana needs a boot camp for the very trouble kids, but then ACLU steps in says its not right
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:14 PM
It is a parent issue. But the school system needs to be tougher and hold parents accountable in all ways, even when it comes to grades and attendance.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:12 PM
Not a racist comment at all! Not once did I mention color. Do you hear about shootings on Pine Rd or say Oak Rd or anywhere in the Greene Township area? But you hear about shootings near the Western Ave. area. That is not a good area for kids to grow up in and run around the streets.
Posted by: Fed up on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:11 PM
The conditioning I had as a child enabled me to be a thinker not a fighter. The conditioning these individuals are getting enable the opposite. Remember Pavlov??? Helloooo. I have no problem with this, they will eventually kill each other off while I sip a martini and watch results at 6:00pm.
Posted by: anonymous Location: south bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:09 PM
Dear Greene Parent: Glad you are supporting Greene - for it's "good learning environment" -- Guns, Violence, what's next? Drugs, Rape and Murder? that's just what this community needs - more STREETSMART kids. No thank you. Maybe you should spend more time being a parent and less time being a "supporter".
Posted by: South Bend Resident Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Let's be clear about one thing here. Greene Intermediate Center was NOT a problem until everyone's favorite superintendent stepped in and created PLAN Z. Here is what PLAN Z did in a nutshell...the SBCSC had about 8 REALLY troubled schools, now instead of that problem, it dispersed the population across the city causing ALL the school to be rather poor. It used to be that people moved into a community (not city) for the schools...now, with PLAN Z, it doesn't matter where you live because your child could live next to Dickinson and be bussed out to Greene. Heed this warning...SB and SBCSC is turning into a cesspool which is ready to implode much like Gary has. If you live in South Bend and you are a law abiding and upstanding citizen, get out before it is too late. If you are considering moving to South Bend...take it from me...DON'T!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:02 PM
deport the illegals and separate the schools, bring prayer back and let the teachers do their job. problem solved!
Posted by: Also Concerned Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:00 PM
It's not the schools, it's not the teachers, it's not the government, it's not anybody's fault but the lack of parenting in South Bend! The gangs are their family, drugs are their friends, and violence is their answer to conflict. The decline of the two parent household, teaching kids how to deal with conflict in a healthy way. How are they supposed to learn when their parents just give up and don't try to get along themselves?
Posted by: anonymous Location: south bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Don't blame the kids here - bussing is not the issue. Kids are kids. After reading comments from Greene parents from the previous (gun) incident, it was obvious that this is a parenting issue - why are these kids not being PARENTED? Is this a segregated school for misguided children or something? Many of the Greene parents couldn't even spell, let alone form a sentence. What do you expect from their inbred offspring? Society is too narrow minded to see the real issue here - as with many issues facing our community. Uneducated parents equal uneducated children - and the rest of us have to pay for what they lack in their contribution to society. Stop blaming the faculty and the school corporation for something that should be fixed at HOME. There is a reason private/Catholic schools charge tuition... to keep this type of stuff OUT. You get what you pay for - and I can only guess it's FREE to attend Greene. Good Luck.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Deb, that was a racist statement
Posted by: Greene Parent Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:32 PM
I am concerned about the negitive publicity our school is getting. This is an isolated incident. Not all of their students are students who are violent. These trouble makers are from households that don't have any control over theirselves or their childrens. First we need to make parents accountable for teaching their children to act out violent. Rather then watching what they are doing where they are going and who are they hanging out with? Wake up! I am still supporting Greene because it is good learning environment.
Posted by: Jane Location: Granger on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:30 PM
If there were mothers posted on the buses like the one from Home Alone 2 who goes up to the police car and says "No mugger or murderer would DARE mess with me".....perhaps there wouldn't be as much chaos on these buses. I wouldn't be a bus driver for all the money in the world. Didn't used to have to worry about the kids. They sat and behaved....now all they can do is pick fights, do drugs, and misbehave. How can a bus driver keep up with ALL of that??? Put a concerned PARENT on each route and see what happens.
Posted by: Jen Location: Osceola on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:28 PM
My nephew did not return to this "school" after the winter break. His parents had the good sense to not let him go back to a very volitile environment. It's a shame to see what has happend to the SBSC. Just check out the ISTEP results and see just how pathetic it is.
Posted by: Bob Location: Greene township on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:20 PM
Could a parent of a Greene school student find out if the students involved with the gun were also on the Western Ave. bus?
Posted by: Parent of a student Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:16 PM
FIRST OF ALL THIS COMMENT IS DIRECTED FOR DEB: I THINK THAT WAS A VERY INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT YOU MADE. ABOUT KIDS COMING FROM THAT SIDE OF TOWN ARE ROUGH....TO ME THAT WAS ALMOST A RACIST COMMENT.... AND SO WHAT IF IT IS A ROUGH SIDE OF TOWN...WHAT WE AS PARENTS AND ADULTS IN THE COMMUNITY NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP OUR PROBLEM CHILDREN.... I AM AWARE THAT THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO COME UP W/A SOLUTION... THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS CITY NOW... THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THOSE THAT LIVE IN GRANGER AND THE MIHAWAKA AREA.... AND NOT THOSE THAT NEED THE MOST ATTENTION..... INSTEAD OF US HELPING OUR BROTHERS AND SITERS IN CHRIST WE WANT TO LEAVE THEM IN POVERTY, OR ROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AS YOU CALLED IT, INSTEAD OF US COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO HELP OUR CHILDREN. I FOUND THAT COMMENT OUT OF ORDER !

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Posted by: Student Location: IN on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:16 PM
this is why more schools should have cameras on all of their buses!!
Posted by: Roxxy Location: SB on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:15 PM
I have noticed a few disturbing things in schools these days. I have kids in school and their friends talk about drugs being sold in class right under the noses of teachers and they don't see anything. I got an idea, 21 Jumpstreet style send in undercover officers and get a grip on whats going on.I fear for my own kids. I was told that kids will walk around openly and do this. Kids are afraid to tell because of being jumped. The teachers get paid to do a job and if the kids don't want to learn they still get paid. I heard that from a teacher! Sad but true.Also my kids talk about the language that is being used in the classrooms. They say they don't tell because no one will believe them anyway. I go into the classroom as a spectator and I get told that it is different when I am not there. I did this because the teacher told me that he would belive another teacher over a student. I am not saying that the kids always tell the whole truth, but there has to be some truth in there.
Posted by: lori Location: mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Yes.. I agree with the Mom w/kids at Greene..Human adults would be ideal. An adult of any other species wouldn't be appropriate.LOL
Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:08 PM
My children are in 3rd and 4th grade at Tarkington and they have a monitor on their bus. Maybe transportation should reevaluate where the need really lies. You would think that the younger kids would be the ones that need the extra supervision but so far history has told us otherwise.
Posted by: Tony Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:04 PM
hey deb, it has nothing to do with the geopraphical location of the children. It is when parents stop holding thier kids accountable for thier actions. My kids do not get in trouble at school for 2 reason. 1 is they no thier parents expectations & 2 they are more scared of what will happen when they get home than any discepline they will get at school. Also why did the bus driver not pull the bus over & call the cops or just put the kids out on the street. That is what would of happened to me 20 years ago. It is all this self estem building, kindler gentler bs. We as adults need to be accountable for our children and everyone elses children. Society will hold them accountable! If we do not want to raise a bunch of trash with no quality of life we need to take charge and be strict & loving example setters!
Posted by: Tôm Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Watch for Zimmerman to downplay this incident in the media. SBCSC does not care if it's employees lie, they just cover their behind.
Posted by: Bus Driver Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I agree with {mom w/kids at greene} There should be an extra person on some of these busses that have too many kids. But unfortunetly there are not enough bus aides to go around.
Posted by: Fed up MOM w/ a child at Greene! Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
"Mom w/ Kids at Greene"~I couldn't agree MORE with you. It does appear that all these problems started after the change of the principal. This school, this CORPORATION, needs to stop worrying about CYA (covering their "butt") so much and start COMMUNICATING to parents about WHAT is going on in the schools and on buses. This child was beaten to a point of being UNCONSCIOUS?? I don't even allow violent movies...but it's "ok" for our kids to witness this violence first hand? C'mon SBCSC, stop the BUSING, and let the ones that want to live like this...stay TOGETHER in their neighborhood school. Mine doesn't need to SEE it and doesn't need to be worried about it. Where are MY rights and my child's rights to an education (an education I actually pay for ~one of the FEW I know...) I would be wiling to place $$ on the fact that we are "picking up the tab" on the child involved in this "altercation"! Parents teach your children, love your children, provide for your children or quit having them
Posted by: concerned grandma Location: south bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Maybe if more parents or granparent spent some time in school volunteering we would not have so many problems! I'm there 5 days a week with your children. They need the caregivers to step up! Teachers only have so much time to teach. How are they supposed to do that and refree 19 to 23 students. Your children all just want love and understanding.Lets get in there and give them what they need.I listen to them tell me things that nobody else has time to listen to. I hug your child when they are sad or mad. A hug can go along way. Set a good example for them to be tolerante of others!Children learn by example! What kind are you setting for them at home? They learn bad behavior somewhere. Hug your child and really listen to them!They are great kids with a lot to say!I pray the hurt child will be ok. But lets not blame the schools for all the problems. Where are you parents and caregivers?!
Posted by: Kelsey on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM
The kids with the gun...had a GUN in their posession.....of course they are going to go straight to juvie!!
Posted by: Your Neighbor Location: USA on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:52 PM
get your head out of the sand and look around you. It's not the schools or local goverment responible. It is YOU. When was the last time you disciplned your kid? When was the last time they showed respect for people and their property? What would you do if one of the teachers touched your precious little bratt? Go for the lawsuit right away, and then complain about it. It starts with you. The ones that sit home and draw welfare and food stamps. The ones to poor to correct their children. The ones who has made welfare a way of life for generations. I know I will get slammed for both of you who do work and try to raise your kids right. You know the ones I'm talking about. We all do. We deal with them every day. But no-one does anyting to stop it. Hopefully this kid will recover and be OK. My message is simple. Start to take care of yourselves and your kids and this will go away. Stop placing the blame on people who can't do anything about it.
Posted by: Bob Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM
You keep electing people like lueke, do not expect South Bend to improve anytime soon. We need to bring back corporal punishment in the school system and repeat offenders should be dealt with harshly.
Posted by: AMY on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Well is this the same bus as the students with the gun? Maybe there is a bully among them and those other students were just trying to protect themselves. I hate to say it but some kids only know certain ways to protect themselves. That is why we as parents must teach our kids how to protect themselves the correct way, I was taught to hit once and run the other way until you find a teacher or adult to tell. I also drive my child to school and am thankful I am able to. This is an extremely sad situation and I pray that the child taken to the hospital is going to be okay. And pray for the families of all children involved. I am sure the parents of the child being held arent very proud of him/her right now.
Posted by: Tina Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Regarding Debs comment. The reason kids are being bused in from Western Ave...is because the SB community/School board voted in JOAN RAYMOND. Plan Z remember.. I think that all children are entitled to a good education no matter what side of town they are from. My child is PHM schools, I feel no more same there. Penn kids (rich kids) have just as much violence, disrespect as the children from "western ave". Parents have to take charge of the schools and actually PARENT!
Posted by: Reasoning Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I do know in the Penn District, well on the buses they have cameras. Are camera's installed on these buses. Than it will show what happened. I ask that, because its stating, in the article above, they are going to try and find out if the Bus Driver knew what was happening. Fighting is a loud occurence (usually). My question like others, is why isn't the other child in jail, like they put everyone else when there is a fight, gun or anything else disruptive happening in schools..Or maybe, its just not posted via the news yet... Sad the state we are in, and our children aren't even half way safe on a bus, in school, or even walking down the street... sheesh...pray for us all
Posted by: Anon Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Good old Plan Z in action. Lets bus in the poor kids from bad areas that people live on welfare and handouts. I bet this will make all the schools better by making them equal. This is what happens when poor people whine and cry about things instead of changing the status quo. Wake up people! End welfare and state handouts. Make people accountable for there neighborhoods, kids, and selves. Get a job.
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:27 PM
To Sarah, you drive your child because you care. Most parents put their child on the bus and feel it's the schools PROBLEM now. SAD very SAD!
Posted by: Sarah Location: South Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:08 PM
And everyone wants to know why I myself drive my child to school!
Posted by: Deb on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Why are these kids being buses from Western Ave all the way to Greene. That explains all the trouble Greene is having, they are bussing in rough kids.
Posted by: Mom w/kids at Greene on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Ok, Now I am really frustrated, as I called school at about 750 am to find out what was going on, I was told some student got sick-I thought ok. Now feeling really lied to. After the school told me I thought twice about it just being a sick kid, as there was a cop there too. It seems like many problems are rising again, since the change in Principles in late October. The last principle went in to straighten things up and now he is in administration with all middle schools under him. SBCSC-come on get your act together- Parents teach your kids how to deal with disagreements. Maybe the buses need human monitors on them, so the driver can drive and the human deal with those kids. I believe New Prairie has a extra adult human on board.
Posted by: sik Location: illinois on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM
concerned uhhh first of all south bend has been going to hell in a handbasket for quite some time the unemployment rate is up and the city is a black hole of poverty i lived there 30 years and just seen it go down the drain its gonna take some major improvements to change everything around
Posted by: A Parent of a midde schooler Location: Mishawaka on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Sooo, why isn't this kid in Juvie? The kids with the gun didn't actually hurt anyone, and they were in "jail" immediately. Fists can be weapons, as well as pretty much anything else that a person could use to cause injury to another person. Sounds like this school needs some serious attention! I hope the student that was injured is ok.
Posted by: Angie Location: Granger on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Greene Intermediate Center seems to be having quite a few problems this year. Hopefully, the school can find a way to keep its students safe and come up with answers as to why these problems are happening.
Posted by: concerned Location: S.Bend on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM
What is happening in our community? Why are there more problems than answers? People, we all need to step up to turn our community, one that is going downhill way to fast, back into a community where the children and adults have a safe environment to live in. Where they can see that hate,fighting,and violence is not the way to live. Our local gov't. and school system are all failing to make our community a safe and encouraging environment, we all need to come together and get back on the right track.I hope this student is okay and to whomever they were fighting with will be dealt with fairly. Remember, there are always two sides to a story,but fighting, is never an answer to anything. We adults are the ones who need to look after all the children to guide them into a life they can be proud of, nothing is impossible.

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